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Women march on parliament as their pensionable aged is moved... to match that of men

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May 18, 2011

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/money/2011/may/18/female-pension-campaigners-parliament-ageuk

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Title	Women march on parliament as their pensionable aged is moved... to match that of men
Author	[deleted]
Upvotes	239
Comments	114
Date	May 18, 2011 11:53 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/he51x/women_march_on_parliament_as_their_pensionable/
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[–]ForMensRights 64 points65 points66 points 12 years ago (78 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Sanjuro7880 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link

In certain areas men and women will never be "equal". I spent 4 years in the Army and served with women while in the Intelligence field. We still had to go out to the field and provide tactical intelligence support. These training missions were on average 2 weeks long. During this time the women were shipped to the rear every 3 days for showers... Showers... The reason given was because of the female anatomy. Being built as they were, they were more susceptible to yeast infections so they got shipped to the rear while the men had to deal with the fumunda cheese that would build up.. Baby wipes could only clean so much.. It was a morale killer for us men that stayed out in the field shouldering the extra burden left by the void of our service-women's absence. That is not fair or equal for the men... And why is it that we are always leaving the toilet seat up and not that women are always leaving it down? I've always wondered that...

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And why is it that we are always leaving the toilet seat up and not that women are always leaving it down? I've always wondered that.

Because fifty percent of the population always needs it down. The other fifty percent needs it up only most of the time (dudes still gotta poop and shit). More people are convenienced by leaving it down than are inconvenienced by leaving it up. This assumes there are an equal amount or greater than equal amount of women sharing the same toilet. If the women lived alone, she would never have to touch the seat (which some consider gross). Men have to move the seat up and down either way.

The whole thing is silly, and I argue for just leaving it where you wish (anyone that is, or just putting the top down as well when you're done), but it actually makes a little more sense for men to accommodate women than vice versa.

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In my house only 25% need it down. Your 50% rule is flawed. That is given that there exactly 50% male and 50% female on the planet (that use a western style toilet) and occupy the same domicile at a gender rate equitable to 50%.

I agree the whole thing is silly that's why I like to jab the side of feminists who harp on their view of gender equality but expect their male counterparts to hold the door, open the car door, pay for dinner, pay for movie, and expect their gentlemen to court them in a traditional manner, hope their man will ask him to marry them and be their fairytale "Prince".

This always irked me when I was in the military. There were a lot of women who didn't complain and roughed it the best they could with the fellas.

But, and a resounding BUT this is, there were many who came off as I described and only used the feminist/equality argument when it suited them. The physical fitness standards were a validation on my argument that we are physically different and that not all areas (of employment, sports etc.) should be "equal". That's why the WNBA, LPGA etc. exist. We are physically different and some jobs, especially ones where we depend on our strongest humans, such as in war should be left to the strongest men AND women based off of one standard.

As long as we have dual standards in society or places of employment we will NEVER be equal.

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Agreed - I wouldn't follow this subreddit if I didn't think there were some legitimate concerns. We just have to be careful as a community to keep things focused on the reasonable goal of equality in all things where possible. That means those of us who aren't chauvinists (and there's a lot of us) need to be watchdogs and call out those who are.

Thing is, it's easy to redirect (misdirect?) the feeling of rage you get when you're unable to affect the change you want; and in this case, it's easy to redirect that anger at feminists, because they appear at first glance to be on the other side of a divide of Men Vs. Women.

In reality, though, we need to be positioned as fighters alongside feminists, alongside gay rights advocates, alongside anyone who's fighting for equality for a marginalized position. We need to look at their battles as our own, and give the ground needed to gain the ground we want.

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The dictionary definition is not how feminism as a movement acts in general.

This article that feminists don't want the same pensionable age as men, though it's completely in line with True Equality (no double standards based on gender, race or beliefs) is a good example of this stark contrast between dictionary and reality.

A big problem is that for decades now these radical feminists have been allowed to lead the feminist movement, they've not been condemned much and continue to impose their ideology which by itself is misandric against males. There's a very long list of misandric statements (quotes) by feminist leaders.

See for example the large amount of feminist themed books in libraries, yet almost nothing about men's rights. And, feminists who continue to oppose any Men's Rights themed books to be added to libraries, or even Shared Parenting policy. Such things are condoned by said feminist leaders who think it's perfectly okay.

Some people still wonder why "feminism" has become a bad word.

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