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[–]border-box 157 points158 points159 points 9 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
This infuriates me.
I grew up with a lot of domestic violence in my life. My mother was the abuser. Everytime the cops came, it was my dad that had to spend the night in jail or spend the night in a hotel, never my mother.
I distinctly remember one day, coming home from school. The cops were already there, so I rushed inside. She had sliced open his forehead with a scissors, knocked out 3 of his teeth, and pulled out several clumps of his hair. He was so bloody. There wasn't even a mark on her. My dad was the one hauled away. My dad was the one I didn't see for nearly 3 days. My dad...
I've confided in some people that I grew up in an abusive home. They always say their so sorry my dad hurt me. They always use masculine pronouns.
No. Just no. My father is an amazing man, who never, in the 15 years the situation was volatile, ever raised a hand to my mother. Not even to defend himself. He wouldn't even shield her attacks, in fear of it falling back on him legally.
Just so much bullshit.
[–]slyguy183 25 points26 points27 points 9 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Why did your dad stay with her for 15 years?
[–]border-box 54 points55 points56 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
He's still with her today, actually. 26 years.
He made a promise to my maternal grandmother a lot of years ago. He promised he'd always take care of her little girl. The only person on this planet he may love more than me was my grandmother. Regardless of if she's still alive or not, my father will NEVER break that promise. Unfortunately.
[–]CaptainCougar 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Wow, what an amazing guy. I'm sorry that he's had to suffer through all that.
[–]border-box 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He's a saint if there ever were one. Thank you for the kind words.
[–]Awesomebox5000 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
That's not amazing, that's self-destructive; akin to feeding a fire with gasoline. She knows he won't leave so she has no reason to stop. He needs help the same way a woman would be coached to leave an abusive relationship such as this.
[–]border-box 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He does. I've tried a million things to get him to go. He refuses. He even refuses to see a therapist.
[–]domaa 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
He can be amazing independent of his situation.
[–]Awesomebox5000 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
While that's true, we know nothing else about this guy other than this situation so not enough to go on to say he's amazing.
[–]domaa -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
The fuck are you talking about? His kid is telling us that he would do anything for her. That's pretty important when deciding how amazing a father is.
[–]Awesomebox5000 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
His kid told us his dad basically has Stockholm syndrome. That's not a good thing. Remaining in an abusive relationship is not healthy. If this were his mom staying while being beaten by his dad, people would flip their lids about how she needs to be strong and get away from her abuser. That's the appropriate reaction regardless of the genders of the abuser/victim.
[–]domaa 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
That doesn't make him not amazing as a person. If course he needs to get away from her, but your argument is that he isn't amazing because he has some forum of Stockholm syndrome.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm all for keeping one's word/promise, but your father went full retard. Here's hoping you know better.
I resented him for a very long time for the problems it all caused him and me. It's just a really weird situation.
[–]harryballsagna 1246 points1247 points1248 points 9 years ago (63 children) | Copy Link
-Men's helpline?
-Hello? My wife has been hitting me a lot tonight. I've locked myself in the bathroom.
-Sir, are you worried you may strike your wife? You sound upset.
-No. She's being very violent. She said she wanted to kill me.
-Sir, you sound very angry. Calm down. Violence doesn't solve anything.
-She's kicking the door in! Help!
-Don't you hit her!
[–]fetafett 77 points78 points79 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
A very similar situation happened in my home. My stepmother has in periods been very hostile, aggressive and in the worst situations physically violent. They have three children together that at the time were very young. My dad always tried to suppress the true nature of the situation, and when she got "well" for a few days he wouldn't bring it up but wanted to enjoy the calmness in the family instead. He is the last guy to call for outside help but once when it was really bad he tried to call a women's helpline. I think it was due to that there weren't anyone for men (now there is one in entire Sweden AFAIK) and he knew that they dealt with DV issues. Their solution was to ask him questions on whether he could have been abusing her in any way and when it became clear that he hadn't hurt her they told that they couldn't help, without directing him anywhere else. This is an organization that receives shitloads of government funds and is openly "women separatist".
Stuff like this makes me so angry. DV issues aren't gender-centred. DV issues are issues of power, control, psychological defence mechanisms, children and many other complicated factors. Why is it separated into categories that the same people claims shouldn't define you as a person? Would you have different cancer clinics depending on your skin color? Remember that this is in Sweden, world famous for it's progressive and generous social reforms.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Remember that this is in Sweden, world famous for it's progressive and generous social reforms. Sweden social reforms Sweden Sweden
Remember that this is in Sweden, world famous for it's progressive and generous social reforms.
Sweden
social reforms
Well there's your problem right there.
[–]wisty 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
DV issues are issues of power, control, psychological defence mechanisms, children and many other complicated factors
Mostly anger management, I suspect. The "power, control" stuff is just nutty theorists jerking off. Obviously, it can be about control. And often arguments in relationships can be about control (as can all arguments), but they spiral out of control when someone has anger management issues.
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[–][deleted] 119 points120 points121 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Sir, we're dispatching a team of women with weapons to assist your wife now.
[–]theskepticalidealist 29 points30 points31 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lol you mean men with weapons
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Whoever as long as they are going to beat on the man, its ok.
[–]theskepticalidealist 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
They'll send men. Wouldn't want to risk the poor widdle sweethearts getting hwurt.... Women are incapable of hurting a man anyway, right?
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thats why they want men disarmed. So they can be gunned down like rabid dogs.
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
He forced her into stabbing him 52 times in the back, in self defense.
[–]A_Drunk_Polak 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Beware of the idea of march
[–]narwhall 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ides
[–]MCMXChris 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
reminds me of the airplane scene from Anger Management
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That sounds like a very real scenario. It actually scares me. It's not even dark comedy, it's just horrifying with a dash of parody.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 67 points68 points69 points 9 years ago (37 children) | Copy Link
Where did you find this transcript?
[–]harryballsagna 167 points168 points169 points 9 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
My headmates came up with it.
[–]heretodiscuss 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
What is a headmate? :S
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[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
TIL: I have headmates.
[–]idontknowziz 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Should see a doctor if serious.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The headmates told me youd say that.
[–]Landanbananaman 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Busted out laughing at work. You win
[–]harryballsagna 32 points33 points34 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Buckle up, mutherfucker!
[–]IlleFacitFinem 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is the most retarded shit I've seen in a long time. Sad thing is I almost dated a girl that said she had what is essentially a headmate
[–]acelister 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I regret not buckling up...
[–]FOR_PRUSSIA 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No...
[–]NoSirThatsPaper 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The thing at the top of your neck, mate.
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[–]heretodiscuss 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I just leaned something new! Thanks mate.
[–]Spysnakez 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
...Tumblr is full of ex-military? Well, that kinda explains the PTSD listed on almost every profile.
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Apparently it's something from tumblr mostly. People who basically say they're schizophrenic or something as in they have people that exist in their mind that they share their "headspace" with. I think. I could be wrong
[–]Bioman312 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
smh
[–]Zerael -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru7mrzAoWqg
[+]Lots42 -16 points-15 points-14 points 9 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
If you are serious, get help. Headmates aren't real
[–]Feminism_Is_Evil 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
That's not what my headmates told me.
[+]Lots42 -25 points-24 points-23 points 9 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
You need help for that username alone.
[–]Feminism_Is_Evil 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I disagree, it's perfect for triggering fembots who think that criticism = the soggy knees.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I got soggy knees once. Just had to straighten my aim up.
[–]Feminism_Is_Evil 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Still pissing while standing up - still a shitlord.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Its a public menace is what it is.
[+]Lots42 -17 points-16 points-15 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I know I'm going to regret it but what does, in your crazy, misogynistic mind, does 'soggy knees' even mean?
[–]Feminism_Is_Evil 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Q.E.D.
[+]Lots42 -11 points-10 points-9 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Well, that still doesn't explain anything. Congrats. I suppose it was too much to expect logic and reason from someone with your username.
[–]Norci 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Did you read the last line in the screenshot?
[–]border-box 28 points29 points30 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's so one sided. They don't have anything about feeling violent as a woman, do they?
Both sections, victim and feeling potentially violent, should be there, but they really should make it gender neutral, using "you."
That's what rubs me wrong. It seems like the potential of men being abused is an after thought, and there's no support for women who feel they are teetering on violent behavior.
[–]harryballsagna 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I did. Did you read where nothing in the woman's version implied that a woman might need help controlling her anger? Because that's what I'm lampooning.
[–]slykethephoxenix 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The Men’s Domestic Violence Helpline is a state wide 24 hour service. This service provides support and counselling for men experiencing family and domestic violence. This includes phone counselling, information and advice, referral to local advocacy and support services, liaison with police if necessary and support in escaping situations of family and domestic violence. The service can refer men to safe accommodation if required. The Women’s Domestic Violence Helpline is a state wide 24 hour service. This service provides counselling for women who are concerned about becoming violent or abusive. The service can provide telephone counselling, information and referral to ongoing face to face services if required. Information and support is also available for women who have experienced family and domestic violence.
The Men’s Domestic Violence Helpline is a state wide 24 hour service. This service provides support and counselling for men experiencing family and domestic violence. This includes phone counselling, information and advice, referral to local advocacy and support services, liaison with police if necessary and support in escaping situations of family and domestic violence. The service can refer men to safe accommodation if required.
The Women’s Domestic Violence Helpline is a state wide 24 hour service. This service provides counselling for women who are concerned about becoming violent or abusive. The service can provide telephone counselling, information and referral to ongoing face to face services if required. Information and support is also available for women who have experienced family and domestic violence.
Does that sound about right?
[–]NeonRedSharpie 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why'd you put the M-n's Helpline first? Huh? You want Womyn to feel oppressed even on their own helpline page???
[–]Dafuq_McKwak 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don't think anyone did.
[–]BrownNote 31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I did. At least they accept that maybe a man might need a little help from an abusive partner even though him being abusive is what needs to be focused on. Glad to know I'm expected to abuse before I'm expected to be hurt.
[–]wellshire -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't fit the narrative.
[–]dragonsandgoblins 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh wow, I think that is new.
[–]namae_nanka 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Read about a stabbing where the police arrested the guy(he was stabbed) and it's only when his daughter said that mommy had done it, that they let him go.
[–]redpillbanana 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sounds like he needs some Anger Management:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkVoo6lkJhQ
[–]MulhollandDrive 469 points470 points471 points 9 years ago (41 children) | Copy Link
this is so close to satire that it's sad
[–]Cardplay3r 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sometimes I think the world is just one big Poe's law testing ground.
[–]Kryptof 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes I hope
FTFY
[–]CraftyDrac 49 points50 points51 points 9 years ago (34 children) | Copy Link
I'd say the state of affairs in the world is so sad that we find this reasonable to believe because it isn't far from the norm
[+]ThePedanticCynic -46 points-45 points-44 points 9 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
It seems there is no middle ground. You have the middle east, where women are basically the property of men; and you have the west, where men are basically property of women.
[–][deleted] 32 points33 points34 points 9 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Are you really comparing the state is the world for women in the middle East and the state of the world for men in the west? If you think they're at all comparable, you really need to gain some perspective.
[–]letsgocrazy 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
They weren't saying they were the same, they were saying that they are two ends of a spectrum.
Obviously men in the West don't have to wear burkas or get stoned for whatever reason.
Why are people ALWAYS looking to get enraged and miss the point made because it was made poorly?
I personally think whenever people say "are you really comparing...?" they're just looking for a cheap dig.
It's not conducive to discussion and I really wish people would stop doing it.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Why are people ALWAYS making really terrible comparisons and inviting misunderstanding, then blaming other people for 'purposely' misunderstanding them?
Poor communication is not conducive to discussion, and I really wish people would stop doing it.
[–]letsgocrazy 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Communication is a two way thing.
Deliberately ignoring a point so you can score points against someone on an Internet forum is just a pathetic way to be part of a conversation.
Comparing things is not the same as saying that they are exactly the same.
We use comparisons for a variety of purposes, and only one of them is to show 'sameness'
You know this, but the thrill of being able to be holier than thou in a gender politics debate is just too much for you isn't it?
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Yes, of course. The issue is that no one is listening. There is no conceivable way for you to have made your point in a way that would have been effectively understood, it's totally the fault of the 'climate of debate'. There was absolutely no fault with anything you said, nor anything unclear.
Now that I agree with you completely, can we talk?
Why are you deliberately misunderstanding the point that these things are not comparable? No one said that this person thought they were the same, they were trying to explain that they're not comparable!
If you think they're at all comparable
Why would you think that the words 'comparable' and 'the exact same' are the same? Why are you doing exactly what you're accusing other people of (Twisting their words in order to be offended)?
Saying that two things are not comparable isn't the same as thinking that the person making the comparison thinks they're the same. It's just saying that two things are different enough for the comparison to be invalid. How can you complain about reading comprehension and people not listening to you enough when this is the effort you put forward?
[–]letsgocrazy 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'm not the one who originally made the point.
I'm responding to the commenter who decided to get salty instead of try to engage in an adult debate.
You talk about understating and comprehension, but you've already shot yourself in the foot because we're talking about a comment someone else made.
And you're still more focused on winning an argument than actually focusing on the point.
Now that I agree with you completely, can we talk? Comparing things is not the same as saying that they are exactly the same. Why are you deliberately misunderstanding the point that these things are not comparable? No one said that this person thought they were the same, they were trying to explain that they're not comparable!
Everything comparable.
You don't get it do you?
The degree to which the useful of the comparison is useful may be debatable, the things that they might have in common are nil.
See, you still don't seem to understand what comparing is for.
For people who want to have a conversation it's a tool that helps to communicate.
For you, someone so clearly bogged down in the world of gender politics debates, it's nothing more than a stick to beat people with.
You're too far gone to even see that about yourself.
If you think they're at all comparable Why would you think that the words 'comparable' and 'the exact same' are the same? Why are you doing exactly what you're accusing other people of (Twisting their words in order to be offended)?
Ok, you're just being a tedious little troll now.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Everything comparable
I think Oranges are better than Apples because Oranges have more citrus. Oh look, a valid comparison. Why is everyone saying that this is not a good comparison? They must be idiots!
It must be because they're bogged down in fruit-identity politics. These damn unreasonable people and their trolling. Why don't they understand comparison like I do?
I am bogged down in whether two things are comparable, and someone making the absolutely ridiculous and totally intellectually bankrupt 'point' that because you can string together an English sentence that compares two things, then that makes the comparison valid.
I could compare Pluto and applesauce, but that doesn't mean that I'm making any kind of point by doing so, or that other people are automatically obliged to accept the comparison is valid. Would such a comparison be 'a tool for communication', or would it be a totally irrelevant and meaningless distraction?
By the way, dismissing people who disagree with you as trolls is a surefire sign that you're just insulating yourself from dissent. You think that just because I don't think exactly like you, that I must be lying about my own beliefs. It's a very clever tactic that you use here, but it really only serves to protect the things you already believe, while totally shutting out anyone who might challenge those views.
[–][deleted] -5 points-4 points-3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Saying they're two ends of a spectrum is comparing it, and its flawed, because men are not ever considered the property of women in the west. The reason that I get "enraged" and call people out on this bullshit is because I think that men's rights is a valid topic, and should be discussed. However, when you have people spout bullshit that is this out of touch with reality, you get the same problem with western feminism, where people who want equality no longer wants to be associated with it. So I will call this bullshit out every time I see it.
[–]letsgocrazy -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Saying they're two ends of a spectrum is comparing it,
What do you "comparing" actually means?
Do you think "comparing" is exactly synonymous with "saying things are exactly the same", or do you think comparing things is a means to explore two entirely different issues by means of contrast?
Because the first one is what people seem to think it is, and the second one is actually what it is.
If comparison was the same as likening, then we wouldn't need to compare because it would be moot.
Shall we compare the Ford Escort with the Ford Escort? No. Because they are the same thing.
Shall we compare the Ford Escort with the Ford Sierra? Yes. And by so doing we can see the differences and similarities and use both of them as a learning tool.
and its flawed, because men are not ever considered the property of women in the west. The reason that I get "enraged" and call people out on this bullshit is because I think that men's rights is a valid topic, and should be discussed. However, when you have people spout bullshit that is this out of touch with reality, you get the same problem with western feminism, where people who want equality no longer wants to be associated with it. So I will call this bullshit out every time I see it.
The reason you enraged is because you think someone was saying the way men are treated in the West is the same as the way women are treated in the middle east.
That's obviously stupid.
But what you've done is project your own emotional attachment about your belief in your political movement and that has closed your mind off from seeing the point being made.
Like any other social justice warrior you are protecting your cause and your ego at the expense of discussion.
You know what you should do?
Say this:
"I see what you're trying to to say about there being no middle ground. Whilst obviously the conditions for men in the West and women in the middle east are very different, it does seem as if it's very hard to find equality and parity and one side seems to be wanting to get the upper hand in various issues"
But you couldn't do that could you?
You had to try and make someone else look like a villain.
Social justice warriors. All the bloody same.
[–]ThePedanticCynic -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's a valid comparison; but not directly, and certainly not on the same scale. It's like comparing mild indentured servitude, or prison work (the majority of which are men, btw), to straight up slavery.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I would say it's a lot more like comparing community service to slavery.
[–]InWadeTooDeep 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's a valid comparison, but they're still different things.
[–]ThePedanticCynic -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
...mandatory community service is slavery.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Which is why it still isn't a great comparison. The lifestyle we live in the West here has so much more freedom that to even compare it to the lifestyle women in some parts of the middle east is just... Absurd.
[–]Lots42 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Seriously?
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[+]Lots42 -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
And now you guys know what it feels like whenever a pro-women topic shows up on /r/all. Bitter pill to swallow, eh?
Edit: Or maybe you were calling ThePedanticCynic a troll. I dunno.
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[–]Lots42 -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I'm sorry you have trouble with your short-term memory.
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[–]_zombeh 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Context: the parent comment of the one you replied to in this thread. Here you go.
[–]Lots42 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3081g1/wowjust_wow/cpq5ga0
P.S. http://i.imgur.com/MQFN5JW.jpg
[+]JJWattGotSnubbed -9 points-8 points-7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
To play a little bit of devil's advocate (please don't kill me); I would say they put that line in to appease most likely an organization for helping female abuse victims. I agree the line is fucked up, and that male abuse victims are over-shadowed in totality, but I'm not quite yet ready to take out my pitchfork. I think sometimes you have to appreciate baby steps in the right direction, which I really do honestly believe is happening, but I'm probably being too much of an optimist.
[–]exo762 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
So, you say that they have legitimate reasons for being cocks, right mate?
For me it still sounds like total bullshit and pure and legitimate reason to raise pitchfork.
[+]JJWattGotSnubbed -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Who is the they that you are referring too?
I just think its a start, and that if you are a male victim of spousal abuse, that you probably could still call the number and get the appropriate help.
[–]exo762 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Authors of web page we are seeing.
I agree the line is fucked up, and that male abuse victims are over-shadowed in totality, but I'm not quite yet ready to take out my pitchfork. I think sometimes you have to appreciate baby steps in the right direction, which I really do honestly believe is happening, but I'm probably being too much of an optimist.
I agree with, you. You are too much of an optimist. You should totally be able appreciate "baby steps" while making a shitstorm with flying pitchforks. After all shitstorm is a tool of getting what you want, and a very appropriate tool in this particular situation.
[–]angryknowitall 745 points746 points747 points 9 years ago (54 children) | Copy Link
This has just made me violent because I'm a man
[–]game004 284 points285 points286 points 9 years ago (40 children) | Copy Link
Let's go out and beat up people because we got a massive dick!
[–]TheCocksmith 192 points193 points194 points 9 years ago (23 children) | Copy Link
Specifically women and children!
[–]cumcumcumcumcum 38 points39 points40 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. Last time I was beating women and children, I ended up hitting my own massive penis. Shattered my wrist in six places. It's been a whole two days and my wrist still hurts.
[–]Cee-Jay 39 points40 points41 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
How did you manage to go two full days without beating up women and/or children?!
Are you sure you're a man?
[–]cumcumcumcumcum 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Switched hands. Beatings are 17% less severe per punch with my left hand, though. I'm actually better at choking with my left hand, I've found out.
But... You are right; I don't feel much like a man.
Suffering, thy name is /u/cumcumcumcumcum
[–]OldirtySapper 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
see the mistake you made is beating them with your fist, you should have just been using your massive penis from the start.
[–]game004 59 points60 points61 points 9 years ago* (15 children) | Copy Link
so pregnant women? /r/childfree might want to join ous
edit grammar thanks /u/ztsmart
[–]E-werd 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Two birds with one stone, right?
[–]game004 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
two people with one stone.
[–]ztsmart 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
/r/childfree
Holy cow.... Those are not people I want to be friends with
That's okay! We likely wouldn't want to be friends with you either given what little context of us you have from whatever you gathered by cruising over to the subreddit. Have a great day!
[+]JJWattGotSnubbed -14 points-13 points-12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm pretty sure thats not how that works. Try posting on the sub.
[+]Lots42 -22 points-21 points-20 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Fuck you
[–]NumberM87 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I appreciate your ability to grasp humor
[+]Lots42 -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I got something you can grasp.
[–]NumberM87 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
http://imgur.com/InCghJj
[–]Lots42 -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
http://i.imgur.com/e25gpSJ.jpg
[–]NumberM87 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
http://i.imgur.com/uhM0mn1.gif
[–]FOR_PRUSSIA 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
When where and how?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Specifically women and children in underserved communities! Where are they?!
Dont forget about dogs too!
[+][deleted] 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]game004 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks :)
[–]massinput06 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
My penis is rather small but can I still participate?
[–]game004 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course you can!
[–]yul_brynner 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
alright alright alriiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
[–]AmericanCockroach 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Mine isn't massive but I sure wanna kick in some pregnant mothers during their Lamaze lessons!
[–]game004 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honesty is beautiful
[–]Bluefoz 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You share a dick?
[–]game004 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, who dosent?
[–]Cartortus 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Let's go beat people up Cuz we have dicks
[+][deleted] 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
[–]game004 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Wait, you don't!?
[–]IlleFacitFinem 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I got my patriarchy supplied huge dick kit in the mail six years ago
[–]acelister 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn backlogs...
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Pshh speak for yourself
[–]colonel_goat_banger -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
/r/talesofprivilege
Edit: spelng
[–]CrazyTitan 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Atleast you now know who to call
[–]Nulono 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
*whom
[–]Count_Dyscalculia 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Pedant!
[–]Peter_Principle_ 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Knock knock.
Who's there?
To.
To who?
To whom.
[–]JosephND 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Equality"
Can't calm my tits, mam. I have no tits.
[–]SarahC 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Could someone phone this line and ask for help because they're getting domestic abuse from their female partner?
I know what to expect, it would be nice to be proved wrong.
[–]Drednaat 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, in the top post where someone wrote an email to this website they respond that they will assist men that are victims of domestic violence.
Of course if you were being abused domestically and you read that line... Would you be comfortable calling?
[–]SarahC 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"Thank you for calling, I know you say you're being assaulted, but that's from her doing self defence right?"
[+]ithinkmynameismoose -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Oink
[–]IlleFacitFinem 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That definitely won't help
[–]angryknowitall 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Definitely don't advocate clogging up resources meant to help victims of violence, even if they are discriminating against men
[–]CrustythePrawn 329 points330 points331 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Further relevant info at http://www.fighting4fair.com/uncategorized/addressing-anti-male-bias-by-an-australian-state-government-department/
[–][deleted] 90 points91 points92 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That is actually so much worse. Just... so much worse.
[–][deleted] 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, no, it's cool.
If you get arrested for violence, just say your are a male and this is considered normal behaviour. You can't help it, right?
[–]ThePedanticCynic 116 points117 points118 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Almost makes me want to beat someone up. I'm sure that's just my dick talking, though, and i should ignore this feeling of discrimination; as i am male, and therefore cannot be discriminated against.
Feminism is just the best thing ever! Such equality! Much wow.
[–]tigerjaws 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
male
You can be discriminated against even if you're male
[–][deleted] 18 points19 points20 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
No he can't! Males are in a position of privilege so you can't discriminate against them!! /s
Tl:Dr : placate to my victim complex so I can find something else to be a victim in
[–]Mylon 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
He's a victim of being unable to be a victim.
[–]tigerjaws 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i'm so victimized guys omg my triggers lmao
I have back problems from carrying around all this male privilege.
[–]that_one_guyy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Whoosh
Yeah, he can be discriminated against, but he will never be because of him being a male.
[–]SonOfObed89 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
TL;DR pleassseeeee
[–]scurr 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's a person who tried to email the department in charge of the website to make the paragraphs not biased and he basically got told that they don't think it is biased
[–]DevilishRogue 220 points221 points222 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Is anyone else tempted to ring the hotline and say "Yeah, I'm really interested in becoming violent and abusive, how can you help me?"
[–][deleted] 31 points32 points33 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
i would've totally trolled, but that's not an american number
[–]twentyafterfour 19 points20 points21 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just call collect and say you're from the "International Drainage Commission".
[–]HibikiRyoga 50 points51 points52 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
is a baseball bat enough?
[–]ZEB1138 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Best to use things that don't leave marks.
[–]MrFlibblesVeryCross 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Phone books? Do they even make them anymore?
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They send in the cops to arrest/kill you.
[–]Deresetese 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That may very well be the most efficient way to change that.
[–]deadfallpro 27 points28 points29 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I was a cop for years and can attest, through countless personal experiences, that domestic violence is easily a 50/50 split between men and women being the aggressor. In fact, given that most men won't report it, I'd say there are probably arguments that over 50% of abusers are women.
One case in particular, I arrived and the guy was an ex-con. He wouldn't say a word to me and there was evidence he'd hit his wife. He went to jail. During trial, it came out that the reason he hit her, was that she'd just broken a shovel handle over his head. He was a bad-ass ex-con and didnt want to seem like a bitch, by speaking to police.
There is a dangerous double standard to the entire domestic violence situation. Men, get over your ego and report it.
TL;DR: Women beat men just as often, if not more.
[–]deadfallpro 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You have to look at where the funding is. There are special agencies getting federal grants and prosecutors being able to hire new prosecutors, just to make these cases happen.
I never used to understand why they would beg the women to come in for a restraining order, but told them to "consider" reporting it to law enforcement.
We would tell the men to get help, because these places are first come, first serve. In California, the agency will help whoever walks through the door first, regardless of guilt. The other party is out in the cold, often times literally. These places are like used car lots, with greasy men (disguised as militant lesbians) with a sales quota. The more through the door, the doors stay open.
Just like the justice system, it's screwed and skewed. It has nothing to do with justice, but has everything to do with the aftermath of some lawmaker's, pac-funded, soul-soothing, wet dream. But, this last paragraph is just my personal frustrations slipping out.
[–]MattBD 72 points73 points74 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I don't see any reason why they have to be gender-specific. Why can't there just be a victim's helpline and an abuser's helpline?
[–]Weirdperson1234 30 points31 points32 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because that would offend the Feminazi's
[–]baskandpurr[🍰] 52 points53 points54 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because that wouldn't make the point that they want to make. The important idea is that men are violent and women are victims. This intends to keep people thinking that way. Thats more important than effectively reducing DV.
[–]NoShameInternets 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The actual answer is because people who experience abuse from a member of the other gender begin to develop a distorted view of the gender as a whole. They are more likely to seek help if they know that the person answering the phone shares their gender. This applies to both women and men.
[–]MattBD 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good point. I suppose the best way to go would be to have an IVR system so you can request to speak to someone of the same gender.
[–]Peter_Principle_ 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If that were the real reason, then the messages would say "If you're a woman victim, you can call and talk to a woman" and "If you're a male victim, you can call and talk to a man".
But they don't say that, do they.
[–]dragonsandgoblins 143 points144 points145 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I actually wrote an article inspired by this exact webpage in 2013 that was published by http://rightnow.org.au/
Or at least it was published for about 4 hours before they pulled it. I'll copy paste it here because people may as well read it:
This webpage, hosted by the Government of Western Australia Department for Child Protection, contains two short paragraphs describing the domestic helpline services provided by this state government. The women's helpline offers a range of services for women experiencing domestic violence. The men's helpline on the other hand is more singularly focused, only offering counselling, and only for "men who are concerned about becoming violent or abusive".
The Government of WA does not offer a helpline service to male victims, instead assuming that women are the only victims and that men will always be the perpetrators. This is despite a growing body of evidence that males do suffer from domestic and family violence in significant numbers. For example, the Personal Safety Survey (2006) by the Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) found that, 780,500 women and 325,700 men aged 15 years and over experienced violence from a current or previous partner in the last twenty years. In other words, 29.4 per cent of victims who suffered domestic violence were men. 92.5 per cent (301,400) of these male victims suffered this violence at the hands of a female partner.
The Publications and Resources webpage from the Government of WA provides domestic violence resources aimed at the general public and they are as gendered as the helpline services. Out of the “Freedom From Fear” resources, three fact sheets and one booklet are targeted at the violent party and, excluding the fact sheet “How do I know if I’m abusive?”, they all use gendered language that exclusively refers to the violent party as male and the victim as female. All of them bear subtitles describing themselves as being "for men who want to change", with no reference to women who may want to do the same. The fact sheet aimed at victims also uses the same gendered language.
WA isn't alone. For example, NSW Legal Aid offers a Domestic Violence Practitioner Service and a Women's Domestic Violence Court Advocacy Program which aid women and children who are victims in legal matters such as getting Apprehended Domestic Violence Orders (ADVOs) and victims’ compensation. The NSW Government Family & Community Services Staying Home Leaving Violence program "...aims to prevent homelessness by working with the Police to remove the perpetrator from the family home so that women and children can remain safely where they are." If the NSW Government offers similar programs specialising in male victims, I was unable to find them.
The federal government also discriminates against male victims. The National Plan to Reduce Violence against Women and their Children (The National Plan) paints a pitiful picture of the federal stance on male victims. Along with use of gender biased language The National Plan has seen the Commonwealth commit $86 million to support women and children who are victims and only $0.75 million to male victims. This discrepancy in funding is justified through the use of misleading statistics from the ABS Personal Safety Survey. The section of the page that discusses male victims provides statistics that only 4.4 per cent (21,200) of men who were physically assaulted in the 12 months prior to the survey were assaulted by a current/previous partner compared with 31 per cent (73,800) of women who were physically assaulted. This is misleading because it doesn't compare the quantity of male victims to female victims – instead it compares what percentage of all assaults against men were domestic violence to what percentage of all assaults against women were. Looking at just these numbers – 21,200 male and 73,800 female victims – the divide in funding is twenty-five times greater than the divide in victims. The National Plan claims only "a small proportion of men are victims", yet the ABS survey shows that they are roughly a quarter of all domestic violence victims. Is that really such a minority as to warrant less than one per cent of the funding committed under The National Plan?
Our state and federal governments are perpetrators of gender discrimination. Those discriminated against are not only men, they are victims. Victims who are denied services and support they need based on their gender.
I apologise for the fact that some of the figures are out of date (for example I am pretty sure the funding disparity under the national plan has incresed since 2013), and any dead links. This is presented unaltered from when it was written in 2013.
[–]koichul 10 points11 points12 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really annoys me when my government distorts facts like that.
[–]Axeman20 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Was there a reason for why they removed it?
[–]dragonsandgoblins 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/3081g1/wowjust_wow/cpqojiz
All feels no reals
[–]IlleFacitFinem 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Why was it pulled?
[–]dragonsandgoblins 20 points21 points22 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Well it was refined by 3 of their editors and myself before going up. After a while one of them was contacted by the editor in chief who pulled it and asked me to make changes such as explicitly mentioning that women are victims more than men (which I do already, since I actually state numbers), saying that I didn't want funding for women reduced, and calling DV a gendered crime. He also said that I could be "more critical in relation to statistics". Note that I only take stats from the Australian Bureau of Statistics, hardly a biased source. He also wanted me to mention that women under report DV.
He also said and I quote:
...[the article] can be understood as arguing "men are being discriminated against in favour of women".
I replied and said that I could make some of these changes but my word count ceiling would need to be increased. I said that I'd be happy to say women under report but I wouldn't say that without mentioning that men under report too. I also said that I couldn't avoid the theme that "men are being discriminated against in favour of women" because that is the thesis of the entire piece.
I get the feeling the editor in chief never wanted my article to go up at all because without further discussion he decided that even with changes my article shouldn't be published because.
Your responses suggest to me that it is likely that even with changes, your article will not be suitable for Right Now. The primary reason for that is that you principally concerned with "the numbers", as you put it, rather than the human rights debate. This means that you miss the point that these services for female victims of violence are not simply about statistics (the fact that more women are victims of violence in domestic contexts then men) but also about socio-cultural male dominance In other words, these services exist not only because of the quantity of violence against women, but its gendered nature.
Your responses suggest to me that it is likely that even with changes, your article will not be suitable for Right Now. The primary reason for that is that you principally concerned with "the numbers", as you put it, rather than the human rights debate. This means that you miss the point that these services for female victims of violence are not simply about statistics (the fact that more women are victims of violence in domestic contexts then men) but also about socio-cultural male dominance
In other words, these services exist not only because of the quantity of violence against women, but its gendered nature.
So. There's the rub.
[–]IlleFacitFinem 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And what the fuck is wrong with that? Is it going to push some women into suicide? I beg to fucking differ.
Warning, I am going to go in depth and post why your editor is bullshit
Going off of your provided study from 2006;
Funding for the women's component of the 2005 Personal Safety survey is provided through the National Initiative to Combat Sexual Assault and Partnerships Against D omestic Violence - Australian Government initiatives administered by the Office for W omen (OfW). The male component was funded by the ABS.
Absolutely stunning that no one thinks this is wrong or that it might lead to skewed data.
Pages 5 and 6 have very nice tree graphs. They do however imply that this study was conducted on all eligible parties, which is a statistical impossibility. I would have rather seen a breakdown of the people they actually studied and a note saying that this data is not indicative of everyone's experience. Though, looking purely at the percentages (which should be what they used to get the numbers for this anyway, so it should be fairly accurate), Men experience physical assault, both completed or threatened, at twice the rate of women. 485,400 men were physically assaulted in the 12 months prior to the study.
What is interesting to me is the idea of rape also being a form of physical violence. Say a woman, a poor defenseless woman, is being raped, and the rapist punches her head. That is physical violence as well as sexual violence. Assuming that most of the rapes were forced, there is a strong chance that the rapist has to use physical violence to get the victim to submit. Yet we see no actual address of that in the study. The same can actually be said for men.
A detractor of this argument would say that sexual assault is merely a subset of physical violence. While that approach is perfectly valid, if you look at the percent that experience violence as an overarching datatype, the physical violence and sexual violence subsets exceed that of the parent. From this we can say that roughly 42,000 of the sexual violence occurrences coincide with a physical violence occurrence.
I love the graph on page 7, where it shows clearly that men between 18 and 24 suffer more from sexual assault; these coincidentally are ages where men are most likely still under the huge social pressure to look macho. Crying out for help, reporting incidence to police? Those are not macho, and society will laugh at you.
Page 9... "Since the age of 15, 33% (2,499,100) of women experienced inappropriate comments about their body or sex life compared to 12% (871,000) of men"
The idea that a man will be upset about someone saying nice ass or being made fun of for being a virgin or for being a small man is something that society also frowns upon. I argue under reported statistics due to social pressure on this one.
Page 10, first graph. Didn't I just see that men were twice as affected by physical assault? Why does this graph look so neck and neck? Second graph, men better watch their mouth at home because your girlfriend/wife is gonna kick your fucking teeth in.
Let's not forget that the PSS does NOT include data from people in active service for some form of military, of which roughly 85% is men (at least in the ADF, see here. Also, "In some units, given the front line nature of its mission, there won't be any women." translates to "If there's a risk of death, we pull out the women so just the disposables die.") The PSS also does NOT include people in prison, where men are 12 times the representation of women. See here.
OK now that I'm done critiquing the study, which in all fairness was pretty well conducted as far as I can tell, Let's address your shithead editor.
asked me to make changes such as explicitly mentioning that women are victims more than men
Actually, in the home, men are much more likely to be abused by their heterosexual counterpart (not guaranteed to be partner, but the data on this is vague so I am making an inference) in the home than a woman is. Violence that occurs in a home is much more likely to not be reported to the police.
saying that I didn't want funding for women reduced, and calling DV a gendered crime.
Rather than wanting funding for women reduced, I would personally like to see funding for men increased, Considering that there are a dozen odd government funded programs compared to none for men. Calling domestic violence a gendered crime is being outright disingenuous. It is absolutely stunning to see this behavior come from a "Human Rights" advocacy group.
I said that I'd be happy to say women under report but I wouldn't say that without mentioning that men under report too.
Good on you there, considering that men under report more often and they are not encouraged to report by these same groups. Social Justice claims to want social justice yet they completely ignore anything that could possibly look like men suffering in some way.
I also said that I couldn't avoid the theme that "men are being discriminated against in favour of women" because that is the thesis of the entire piece.
Outside of the context of Domestic Violence, discrimination against men is blatant. I know that in the US men are underrepresented in college, colleges now have quotas for women entry, there are far more scholarships for women, and women are preferred candidates for certain jobs now (for seemingly no reason other than to diversify staff).
Inside DV, It is pretty evenly split. Men receive much more of a beating, over 4 times as much as women suffer from sexual violence.
The primary reason for that is that you principally concerned with "the numbers", as you put it, rather than the human rights debate.
"HOW DARE YOU RELY ON ACTUAL FACTS AND REASONABLE CONCLUSIONS DRAWN FROM THEM." Even after you kowtow to his requests as much as you are comfortable with, he has to nerve to call you internally soggyknees and cans you.
This means that you miss the point that these services for female victims of violence are not simply about statistics (the fact that more women are victims of violence in domestic contexts then men) but also about socio-cultural male dominance.
Socio-cultural male dominance in fields where men are ignored, marginalized, where they die at alarming rates and no one does anything about it, where men are told to not talk about things and where men are told that if they talk about them being victims that they're pussies.
"These sexist services are sexist because sexism is justified because men are evil now fuck off"
Lazy editor filled with absolute bollocks ideals, willful misinterpretation of data, intentional harmful drives. This kind of bullshit is the reason I am anti-feminist.
[–]AnewAccount98 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I almost downvoted you because I was so aggravated reading you editor in chief's comments.
Thank you for deciding that logic and statistics take precedence over feelings, as they should. Unfortunately, it seems numbers only count now if they fit the louder parties rhetoric.
I believe you original article, that you posted above, was perfect.
[–]dragonsandgoblins 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you, I really appreciate that.
I was so excited to be published. Now I just console myself by saying that all great writers get censored :P
[–]HannasAnarion 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit that's frustrating.
[–]Vergil387 156 points157 points158 points 9 years ago (22 children) | Copy Link
So say if the woman is the one interested in committing the violent act, I guess she'll be outta luck... no service for her!
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[–]DevilishRogue 45 points46 points47 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
That's not the point, womyn should have the same rights as patriarchists, shitlord!
[–]Hellstruelight 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
womyn
what does this word mean?
[–]regeya 15 points16 points17 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
It's a bugshit crazy way of writing "women" without spelling out "men".
[–]Hellstruelight 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
oh so it isn't a word, ok cool.
[–]DevilishRogue 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Non-native speaker or new to men's issues?
[–]Hellstruelight 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
neither
[–]DevilishRogue 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Just hadn't come across it before? To be fair I think that even most third wave feminists find it embarrassing although you still do find the odd few throughout feminist herstory.
[–]Hellstruelight 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I was just being facetious. It was sarcasm. People who use the word 'womyn' are being stupid, so I pretended to trip on the word on purpose.
herstory
what?
[–]GiovaniGuizzo 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Of course it would! Look at how oppressed they are. This is another oppression for them... the "call if you feel angry" is another service for the privileged men.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, you don't understand. When a woman feels angry it's justified because she's so oppressed, and it empowers her! The very notion that she should need 'help' against this freedom is the patriarchy talking.
[–]GiovaniGuizzo 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I see what you mean. What a dilemma.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Such is feminism.
[–]regeya 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I saw a comment on Feminist Current that claimed that nearly every male abuse victim was beaten up because he was an abuser.
Nobody called 'em out on the victim blaming, either. Shocking.
Or if it did, her man just beat her first, so its ok.
[–]Tom_The_Human 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
God damn patriarchy keeping women out of committing domestic abuse!
[–]Sovietrussia92 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But that's a good thing remember? Because the only way a woman would be violent is when her husband or boyfriend is. Go get em girl!
[–]ThePedanticCynic 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or if he threatened her. Or if he looks like he's going to. Or if he looks at her wrong. Or if he looks at another girl wrong. Or if he looks at another girl right. Or if he doesn't do the dishes. Or if he doesn't put the toilet seat down.
These are all justifiable reasons. Fight the patriarchy!!!!1!one
[–]southern_boy 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't be daft - they just have to call the number and speak in a deep voice!
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[–]AlexTheGiant 82 points83 points84 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
http://media.giphy.com/media/OnQUDDufBcgQo/giphy.gif
[–]Antrikshy 16 points17 points18 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is so adorable.
[–]StonerSpunge 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Totally gave that gif a different meaning than the first time I saw it. This gif is perfect
[–]PFKMan23 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That is beyond terrible. I hope you eventually received the help you needed.
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[–]_pulsar 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Damn, really sorry to hear that.
[–]SonOfObed89 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Sorry to hear that.
Literally have never heard a guy talk about this. Guess this stuff is swept under the rug :(
[–]Il128 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's hard for a man to talk about. At first you think nothing of the violence, it's not that bad. Then it just gets worse and worse and there's no one to talk to, no one to tell. Who would fucking understand?
[–]Peter_Principle_ 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Who would fucking understand?
Or even worse, laugh at you.
"Male privilege" my ass.
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[–]Il128 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She would threaten this even though I did nothing. I called the police a couple of times and they just had me leave the home. Yes, I was asked to leave... She'd lie and they'd believe her.
[–]laihipp 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
sorry man, that blows
[–]logic11 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
I remember when I started talking about my own experience with my ex wife. Suddenly I realized that most of my male friends had been in or were currently in abusive relationships. There were very few that had never had a girlfriend hit them, and not a single one of them had hit her back, because if you hit back you have just hit a woman... some it was fear of the police, but for most it was just the enculturation of the idea that men don't hit women for any reason. As a result of my marriage, if a woman hits me I will do what I need to do to defend myself.
edit: spelling
[–]SonOfObed89 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Holy crap. This blows my mind.
I am 6'2 200lbs and my wife is a tiny little lady, so I struggle to fathom the idea of abuse from her.
Are there good resources you could point me towards to read more about this, mainly for education to notice if and of my buddies are going through this and how I can be a support if need be. Any tips welcomed
[–]logic11 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Honestly, I never found any resources other than Glenn Sacks blog back in they day, and, eventually, here. That lack of resources was part of what drove me to the MHRM.
[–]SonOfObed89 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well that is awful
[–]919rider 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm so sorry for what you went through, I can't imagine dealing with that.
This is what I hate about this recent movement. If I were to bring this story up, I would only have remarks about "But it's more of a problem for women still!" and "You're trying to discredit women's problems!"
I think people are too fucking dull to make an activist role that envelopes VICTIMS instead of a gender.
[–]Raditz10 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Agreed, I am really growing tired of the gender, sexual preference, race, and religion exceptions. I try from my part to treat anyone regardless of these things with the same respect. I don't give special treatment to anyone either. But now I'm just ranting.
[–]919rider 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's all bullshit. And in my experience, most of the people who are super deep into the whole SJW role are using it to battle their own insecurities. Bashing Tinder because "It isn't safe or inclusive for extremely attractive people" etc etc.
[–]b-LE-z_it 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jesus, stories like this make me want to make sure my house has CCTV before I ever move in with anyone.
M&Ms and all that.
[–]SweetSlowKiss 64 points65 points66 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
If this were reversed, it would start a shitnado. Twitter would be abuzz, instagram would be frothing, reddit would be posting this everywhere and Facebook friends would keep sharing it like it was going out of style.
[–]919rider 21 points22 points23 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I saw a car driving around my college town with a bumper sticker that read:
"SO MANY MEN...
SO MANY REASONS
TO SLEEP ALONE"
Are you shitting me? If I put the same with "women" my key would be keyed and spit on constantly. It's so fucked up.
[–]Zjackrum 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Don't you want your key to be keyed?
(Sidenote - OP mistakenly wrote "my key would be keyed" in his post, for when he changes this and makes me look stupid)
[–]919rider 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hehe, nice catch :).
Leaving it now, I suppose.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep. People are retarded, and the ones who aren't are bastards. Most people are either too stupid to recognize the inequality, or are glad for it.
'shop the picture to transpose the "men" and "women" sections, then start the shitnado yourself.
[–]slykethephoxenix 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]ARedthorn 33 points34 points35 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
If be kinda curious to see...
Best case scenario: If you call the women's helpline, and as a man, they refer you to the men's line... Then you call the men's line, and as a victim they refer you to the women's line... And back and forth... I wonder how many times you could get ping-pinged before they even noticed.
[–]obeir 26 points27 points28 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Then you call the men's line, and as a victim they refer you to the women's line.
I kinda doubt that will happen, since they don't seem to think men can be victims, only perps.
[–]Zoenboen 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
The male line shows it offers assistance to those that are victims too.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 22 points23 points24 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
TIL deleted a post not long about a study that discovered over 40% of men who call into an abuse hotline, because they're abused, are treated as the abusers; often even at the men's insistence that they're the victims. So, no; i wouldn't call that assistance.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I remember that. That was the first time I realized a large portion of reddit is controlled by SJWs. I remember the mods actually going around and trying to argue with people about how "they didnt know the whole story blah blah blah" and never came up with a real reason as to why they deleted it. Fucking sickens me.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Same here. I got into it with the TIL mods over modmail regarding a few issues. This one, and the Susan G. Komen foundation removal declaring the vast majority of funds don't go to research are the first two to come to mind. They are so biased it's fucking unreal that they're a default.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yeah feminists love their censorship. I got banned from /r/offmychest for disagreeing with the notion of white privilege and providing examples of how I've been the victim of racism as a white person. Pretty ironic imo because that whole sub is dedicated to bitching about shit...unless you're a Cis white male then apparently you live in the land of no problems.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Apparently when you're banned from /r/feminism, they also ban you from all subs within that network. There are a few subs i can't post on that i've never been to.
Reddit is pretty much run by feminists, like some kind of infection.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah unfortunately this site is going down the feminist shitter in a quick way. I usually avoid the main subs like the plague anyway though. 90% of the reason I use reddit is to keep up with the games I'm following and to stay current with PC gaming news.
I don't think I'm banned from /r/feminism considering I don't think I've posted there ever but I wouldn't be surprised if I was shadowbanned from other subs in that network.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I've heard of people being banned from the feminism network who have never been on it. I think the mods, having nothing productive to do 'cuz feminism, occasionally troll through places like /r/MensRights and just start picking names of people they don't like to ban. I can't support this in any way, but it sounds like something they'd do.
Well, if that is the case, they need to amend the mistake that they even acknowledge, because it is very misleading.
[–]Thinkiknoweverything 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wrong, how is this misinformation getting upvoted? SRS brigade?
[–]slykethephoxenix 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
For those interested, I switched the genders around:
A good experiment would be to send this to a feminist who claims "equality". When she starts claiming "See! Men are treated better" or what ever, reveal that the website and the and the original text to her.
Website is found here: http://www.dcp.wa.gov.au/crisisandemergency/pages/domesticviolencehelplines.aspx
When I was 10 I called the police on my extremely abusive feminist aunt who saw it as her duty to destroy my life for being male. They asked me where my father (the presumed abuser) was. When I told them he wasn't involved in bringing me up, they went into "move along, nothing to see here" mode and she got away with her crimes, just like Casey Anthony. Fuck feminism, fuck the police and don't fuck women.
[–]CarbonBlob78 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]mknight1701 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
When my wife hits me she says its in self defence. Self defence of what, my being there! P.s. For the record I'm not trying to humorous. This is my life.
And you haven't gone for a divorce why, exactly?
[–]mknight1701 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I wish I had an answer. My single income, one child. I can't afford to two homes! I think that's the reason.
[–]Il128 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Get out. Eventually she'll kill you. Been where you are. It only gets worse.
[–]TruBlue 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Been there divorced that. Unfortunately in my case joined at the hip by two innocent kids.
[–][deleted] 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As a male who has been subjected physical and verbal abuse from my ex. FUCK THIS SHIT
And this is why MGTOW
[–]scanspeak 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Gender should not even be mentioned. If a person is a victim of domestic violence there should be help and support. Period.
[–]a_shootin_star 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Western Australia in a nutshell.
There's an event next month regarding future funding to help women and children from domestic violence... nonsense.
[–]flockingmongoose 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I hate how when people think if domestic abuse, they only think of the woman being abused. Men get abused just as much, it just doesn't get spoken about.
[–]teamtebow 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Important to note the "have experienced" versus "are experiencing".
Might just be bad wording, but it shows that it was just an afterthought, especially how the website didn't have that bit for awhile.
[–]Sys_init 13 points14 points15 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
i think this picture on the side says it all
http://i.gyazo.com/37f175ca4fad2f26f556efb343f9af91.png
[–]Mozeeon 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's an advertisement for taking on foster children.
[–]desmondao 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm so fucking special...
[–]Pimpin_Soi6 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Holy shit. I just called the number for the mens helpline. I asked exactly how concerned should I be about getting violent. I got an mmkay. I said ok the real reason I am calling is because I am really disgusted by the wording on your website and can I please speak to your superior. I got an mmmkay no I am the only one you can speak to. I said that is not good enough I need to speak to someone who can address the gender bias on your site. I got just a mmmkay. I said based on your use of mmmkay you got your degree from watching southpark can I please speak to a real person.
"ok now you are being abusive and I am ending this call" click
(not joking about the mmmkay. Like literally mmmkay)
Its part of the whole modern mythology that men are beaters and women are beatees. This in spite of the fact that as more men come forward, it is looking like the reality is men and women both suffer an equal amount of domestic abuse at the hands of their SOs.
[–]pookabot 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This right here is exactly why I'm subbed here. I'm a woman who has been in an abusive relationship. As I was getting help for it, I couldn't help but notice stuff like this. I just kept asking, "What about the men like me?". It made me feel sick to my stomach when I looked more into it and heard so many stories about men just like me who had nowhere or no one to turn to after having been abused. This is disgusting and I don't know how as a society people don't feel terrible knowing that it is going on. They were all so willing to help me, but my male counterparts? Nothing. All of my sympathy goes out to you guys.
You just won my eternal respect... A woman that TRULY values equality, not a feminist's version of "equality".
[–]ashleab 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am disgusted by my country right now...
[–]elementell 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't know if this has been posted, but... http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/1fyeh3/what_kind_of_bullshit_is_this/ is about 5 posts below this one on the top of all time list, and was posted a year ago.
[–]Down-n-Dirty 2 points3 points4 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That was my post, but I don't mind if it gets posted again, just as long as the Situation at hand is noticed and not forgotten.
[–]regeya 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Just as a heads-up, in case anyone hasn't seen it, this showed up in /r/all. I'm not a staunch Men's Rights type, just someone who wants a nice, balanced approach to rights for all.
Having said that, this sort of thing drives me up the wall. On the one hand, yes, I think we need to have outreach to abusers! On the other, to pretend that domestic abuse is a one-sided issue gives in to the Women Are Wonderful effect.
Worse, there are feminists out there who honestly believe that the only men who are abused are themselves abusers (but don't you dare blame the victim when the victim is a woman!)
My mom worked for a legal office for a while, and worked as a secretary for a counselor for a while, and the number of men who would come in to get legal help only to be turned away, and the number of men who would go in for private counseling and refuse when the counselor said, hey, you have to get away from her and press charges, was heartbreaking. That patriarchy the ladies say they want to smash? Well, it keeps male victims silenced, too; we're just supposed to "do something" about it, "man up" if you will...so long as the "do something" doesn't involve responding in kind, because that's abuse!
I'm hopeful that we're seeing a change on the horizon. The old guard feminists are starting to be seen as kind of shitty people (see: 70s views on sexuality such as forced lesbianism and/or shitty attitudes on trans issues) and are being turned out in favor of women who are more forgiving; unfortunately, their heads are still being filled with dated materials on how society works.
[–]autowikibot 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“Women are wonderful” effect:
The “women are wonderful” effect is the phenomenon found in psychological research which suggests that people associate more positive attributes with the general social category of women compared to men. This effect reflects an emotional bias toward the female gender as a general case. The phrase was coined by Eagly & Mladinic (1994) after finding that both male and female participants tend to assign exceptionally positive traits to the female gender (males are also viewed positively, though not quite as positively), with female participants showing a far more pronounced bias. The authors supposed that the positive general evaluation of women might derive from the association between women and nurturing characteristics.
Interesting: Fairy tale | Pig-faced women | South Pacific (musical) | Marjory Stoneman Douglas
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[–]50PercentLies 12 points13 points14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I have yet to be this disgusted.
[–]Hellstruelight -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
/r/sexyabortions
If that doesn't make you disgusted then either you're broken as a human being or your definition of what "disgusted" means is different from everyone else.
[–]Rooi_Aap 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This reminds me of a local(South Africa) talk radio presenter who referred to the Department of Women, Children and Disabled affairs, as the "department of everybody except men".
SA here too! My mother and I always talk about that Department as the "Department of Women, Children, and other Disabled" in reference to how we both think that this institutionalizing of the idea of female victimhood effectively casts womanhood as a disability.
[–]whoatethekidsthen 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"help, my wife is abusing me."
"Sir, don't waste our time. Call back only if you're about to become violent yourself."
[–]JojenReed2 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, this just opened my eyes.
[–]Unskilledandaware 1 point2 points3 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This needs to stop. men shoul be the secretaries pulling the strings.
[–]Introvariant 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was expecting this to be another "look guys they say 'women' instead of 'people'" posts.
This, though. This is actually hilariously pathetic.
[–]angelxe1 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's is total BS.
Stupid. Fucking. Duluth Model.
[–]Doulich 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
ok I feel deja vu hasn't this been reposted like 5 times?
And here's how it should be worded:
If you believe you or anyone under your care are at imminent risk of harm, dial 000.
If you believe you may become an imminent risk to yourself or others, dial 000.
If you or anyone under your care has experienced harm, or you believe you will experience harm, call this number. We have both male and female operators that you can talk to and advise you on how to get help, who to talk to, how to get legal advice and other practical and emotional aid. This service is open to both men and women of any age or sexual preference without prejudice or judgement.
If you believe that you are experiencing anger, and you have in the past or may in the future become violent, we can offer you advice and aid. We have both male and female operators that you can talk to and advise you on how to remain calm and 'cool off', get help, who to talk to, how to get legal advice and other practical and emotional aid. This service is open to both men and women of any age or sexual preference without prejudice or judgement.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
THIS is what feminism looks like.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
talk about presumptuous ignorant twattery.
[–]hedgecore77 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Keep reading. It also offers services to men who experience domestic violence.
[–]Kalahan7 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Yeah. Still... Pretty one sided.
"If you're a women we are here to protect you and bring you to safety if necessery. Here are all the ways how. If you're a man we can help you to stop hitting your wife... oh yeah if you're getting hit we can also help".
Isnd't it fucked up that the first thing men read for a domestic violence helpline is help on how to stop being the agressor? Seriously imagine being a guy that suffers violence and looking for help on this site.
Why have to seperate genders for this in the first place? Both genders can be the aggressor and the victim.
[+]hedgecore77 -11 points-10 points-9 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Yep. But it's also fucked up how statistically we are the aggressor most of the time.
Common verbiage aimed at both genders is how I'd have handled it.
[–]Kalahan7 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Turns out the difference isn't that big between genders.
Perhaps. But don't start of with saying "If you're a man we can help you to stop hitting your women".
[+]hedgecore77 -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Jeeze. This place really is full of butt hurt neckbeards, isn't it.
[–]FrostByte122 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good argument.
[–]Lots42 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Get your shit together, Australia
Won't happen the government and judiciary has been feminized. I was there today (Melbourne) on another matter of male discrimination. I have also seen many of my decent male friends discriminated against by the police and court system. The law here is heavily weighted in favor of the fairer sex.
[–]Riftshade 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I face palmed so hard,..why did it have to be my state. ughhh.
[–]nomosolo 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not even a "mens rights activist" or whatever, but that's pretty effed up.
[–]theoriginalauthor 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"The seeming ease with which orders of protection are issued has been exacerbated by divorce gamesmanship. Prior to the use of orders of protection in domestic violence settings, individuals who wanted their spouses out of the house would have to file for divorce first and then file a motion to vacate the home. This was a costly and lengthy process. Today very few individuals file motions to vacate in Massachusetts. Instead, divorce attorneys in that state describe restraining orders as a far more expedient means to get spouses out of marital homes and thus, a new popular weapon to gain the upper hand in bitter divorces and custody disputes.
The result of all these contributing factors (the crowded court systems, the "better safe than sorry" caution of judges, and the divorce gamesmanship) is that innocent individuals who did not commit an act of abuse are nevertheless subject to orders of protection. It is probably impossible to know exactly what percentage of the total number of orders of protection is meritless, but at a minimum, the anecdotal evidence reveals that there are enough instances to be concerned. The particular consideration then for the Scarlet Letter proposal is that it aggravates this situation by now publicly mislabeling certain innocent individuals as batterers."
CHIU, E. M. (2010). That Guy's a Batterer!: A Scarlet Letter Approach to Domestic Violence in the Information Age. Family Law Quarterly, 44(2), 255.
[–]SynesthesiaBruh 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
One of these things is not like the other
[–]bear_sausage 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sad.
I'm so angry I could beat my wife!
[–]magicx50 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Did anyone read the last line?
[–]logic11 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That doesn't really do the trick. If your main point is that men can call if they are worried they are going to beat a woman, a man who is being abused might not actually read the whole thing, instead giving up in disgust.
[–]DavidByron2 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I did the last time this image was posted.
[–]LaughingatFatties 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It also says that hotline will also help men who experience domestic violence...... Keep reading the paragraph
[–]CarbonBlob78 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, but there is no corresponding service available for women who may be concerned about becoming violent, which could actually be a very useful service for women and their partners.
[–]LaughingatFatties 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Very true
[–]freenarative 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you fucking kidding me. This is why we can't get the help we need when we need it!
[–]paintypainterson 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow...just wow. Well said.
[–]makeswordcloudsagain 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here is a word cloud of all of the comments in this thread: http://i.imgur.com/6pjKqu8.png source code | contact developer | faq
[–]whichdid 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
http://img.pandawhale.com/post-22398-Bubbles-Somethings-Fucky-gif-I-ELhv.gif
[–]Masturbulence 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Such is life.
[–]MRMRising 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why am I not surprised to see this?
Men's helpline?
Sir, how may I help you?
Your bigoted bullshit makes me want to become violent or abusive just to spite you. Click!
[–]jordan628mor 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is all kinds of messed up
[–]AppropriateTouching 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is disgusting. If you keep telling someone they're a criminal they might just become one since they have no other recourse. Immediately blaming someone is the quickest way to get them to not listen to you. Also worth noting the lack of support for men in this area negatively effects a family structure and especially any children involved. Truly disheartening.
This has been posted many times in many places, including here. At no point does it baffle me any less. This is some bullshit.
This is...like, the third time I've seen this posted here. Pretty sure it's the same picture, too.
Figures.
[–]littlebeach 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Relevant petition on "change.org" https://www.change.org/p/the-attorney-general-of-australia-senator-the-hon-george-brandis-qc-the-prime-minister-of-australia-the-hon-tony-abbott-mp-to-ensure-that-the-role-of-sex-discrimination-commissioner-at-the-australian-human-rights-commission-is-performed-in-an-unbiase
[–]Doventanzer 0 points1 point2 points 8 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Still there :/
[–]InBaggingArea 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wow.... Just wow.
[–]thegr8b8m8 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's been this way for a long time guys we just now started pointing it out. That's kind of why we are here?
[+]vagabond01 -14 points-13 points-12 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I've seen this image posted at least once a week
[–]scanspeak 47 points48 points49 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good. It should be.
[–]theydontlikeme 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's literally the #10 top post of all time on this sub, though...
[–]Weirdperson1234 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yet the website is still the same
[–]Thinkiknoweverything 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
... where? I'm not new to reddit and this is the first time i've seen it.
[+]dzamir -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
NEEDS MORE JPEG.
Seriously, this is Facebook worthy, at least post a decent screenshot and a link to the page.
[–]konoplya 8 points9 points10 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
http://www.dcp.wa.gov.au/crisisandemergency/pages/domesticviolencehelplines.aspx
[–]dzamir 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks, this is much better
[–]TheHadMatter -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
nothing will be done by anyone.
[+]Clockburn -14 points-13 points-12 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Does this seriously bother you guys? I'm honestly curious not trying to be rude.
[–]trevslyguy 14 points15 points16 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
People are arguing for equality regarding gender and this crap turns up yes. Men are not the only ones that can be abusers I have known girls that are very abusive to their SO or family members. Guys can be victims too so why not help them also instead of making them the villain?
[–]Thinkiknoweverything 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Does it bother me that all women are seen as victims and all men re seen as violent abusers? Yeah, it does actually. What if im a male getting abused (WHICH IS EXTREMELY COMMON), Which number do I call?
[–]bear_sausage 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bothers me.
[–]logic11 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As someone who was the victim of domestic abuse during my marriage, and who consistently got mistaken for the abuser... yes, this pisses me off.
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Are you cool with getting punched in the balls repeatedly by a 6 yo? You bothered by that.
[+]whatisthisicantodd -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
DID YOU EVEN READ THE LAST LINE BEFORE COMMENTING ANGRILY
[–]logic11 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why is it okay to highlight men's anger counselling and include the fact that there is help available as an afterthought? Men are abused in similar numbers to women (in fact according to the DOJ and the CDC men are abused slightly more frequently than women at this time).
[–]theskepticalidealist 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It needed to be the last throw away comment? Do they say women can get help if they are abusive?
[–]Mozeeon -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Seriously. This place is funny.
[+]Mozeeon -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Literally just finish reading that paragraph. It also offers support for men experiencing spousal abuse. Unrustle your jimmies people.
[–]Yeah_Yeah_No 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I think it's kinda the fact that it's implying only men can be the abuser.
[–]Mozeeon -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I don't think it is. Is it really that ridiculous to call attention to the fact that the vast majority of cases of physical spousal abuse happen to a woman by a man. So it would make sense to offer up the fact that there is anger counseling for me available?
[–]ethos1983 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This website would seem to disagree. 3 million men are physically abused, while 4 million women are victims of physical abuse and rape (which would increase their numbers).
The way the hotline is worded, the help for men comes across as an afterthought. "If your going to abuse your spouse, call us!!! Oh, and if she's hitting you, we can help with that too.
[–]Mozeeon 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I believe it says that 3 million men are victims of physical assault, not domestic violence.
Also, that site is not a good place to draw numbers from. It gives conflicting information between paragraphs. It says 1 in 4 women are victims of domestic violence. Then it says 4 million women... You'd have to look at real statistics, not third hand info like this
[–]logic11 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
According to the CDC in 2010 5,365,000 men were victims of IPV. In the same year 4,741,000 women were victims of IPV (in the US, apparently the UK skews more female perpetrator than the US does). So, that's the domestic assault numbers - specifically it's a chart of violence perpetrated by a domestic partner, and that's the physical assault portion. There's a rape portion (we won't even start on the ways the stats on rape by gender are messed up in this chart, but the fact that the made to penetrate numbers are completely missing should tell you something) and a stalking portion (but remember, that's stalking by an intimate partner, women are more likely to stalk men who are not intimate partners - the numbers in that category do seem to higher for female victim, male perpetrator however) that if included show women as the victims more often. Given that even with the rape number left off for men, and the stalking number, the totals are quite close, it's clear that this isn't as one sided an issue as you seem to think it is.
[–]Mozeeon 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I didn't think it was one sided. But the numbers I'd seen were heavily skewed to female victimhood. I'll check out the cdc data more, but thanks for sharing that info.
[–]slykethephoxenix 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sound better?
[–]Omnipraetor -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This is probably the third time I've seen this image or similar these last few weeks. I can't remember if it's the same website. If not then we have an urgent emergency. If not, then we need to re-evaluate our post policy
Oh good, I thought I was going insane. Pretty sure this is the third time I've seen it before, and I'm pretty sure it's the same picture each time. All three times on this subreddit as well.
[+]Erochimaru -12 points-11 points-10 points 9 years ago* (27 children) | Copy Link
They are just emphasising female victims because they are the majority of victims of domestic violence. because people are still sadly trapped in the old thinking that women can't possibly harm any man and men don't need any support or help because of that.
Edit2:
They should have put the victims notice before the feeling violent one, and add the same "i'm feeling violent" notice to the female paragraph. Equality for all
Edit4:
So you are all enjoying whining here, why don't you try to change this misconception of men being the only possible abusers? Write the site and change it, or i'll do it, just give me the source.
Also why am i getting downvoted? I am just addressing the paragraph issue, not that men aren't getting taken serious as victims, that's a different story to which i haven't said anything.
I am clearly for men's and women's rights. And ofc this case is a very good example of how men are still judged unfairly. never argued about this
[–]nelsonblaha 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
[–]Erochimaru 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Feminazi?
[–]Erochimaru -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No it's not, but it was getting burried under comments by butthurt people
[–]nelsonblaha 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You exemplify butthurt by increasing your text size and wondering in edits why people are down voting you.
[–]Erochimaru 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I am not butthurt. I chose the fontsize this big so people wouldn't miss it and would read it, see that they didn't read the full paragraph and address the issue in a different way than whining about something that has in fact been written down. I am all about exactness. But i have encountered people who don't understand what i mean because they don't read exactly what i wrote and see other meaning behind what i wrote.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You don't get everyone on the same level by systematically oppressing one group. The jews putting nazis in gas chambers is equally wrong. Sad you can't see that.
Totally agree. That's why i said they should change the order of the information in the men's section and add the same "am i being tempted to become violent" notice to the women's section. I didn't say this is ok.
[–]theskepticalidealist 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
So it was a throw away comment at the end, so what? The purpose of the phone line is clear. It is to "help abusers" whereas the women's DV line is to help female victims. No mention there if you are a female abuser that wants to get help. What happens to them? Clearly they don't believe they exist.
[–]Erochimaru 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
We should change that, not by whining but by f.i. writing this site that they should put the same info for both genders and not present men mainly as abusers
[–]Gnomish8 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You mean, like this?
http://www.fighting4fair.com/uncategorized/addressing-anti-male-bias-by-an-australian-state-government-department
Yep
[–]Gnomish8 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
They are just emphasising female victims because they are the majority of victims of domestic violence.
Empirically shown to be false.
[+]Erochimaru -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Provide source.
Also i do believe that many women can be horribly violent and cruel, but i do think also that men are rather in the majority abusing their partners violently. From my own knowledge as far as i know about 70% are female victims? Maybe it has changed in the past years...
[–]Gnomish8 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Google search will get you a lot, but here's a good one: http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/
Basically, the evidence has shown that, since the mid 70s, the rate of abuse against women has been declining whereas the rate of abuse against men has remained fairly steady. It looks like in ~2010, the rate of abuse against women dipped below that of abuse against men (according to this report by the CDC and DOJ, 53% vs 47%).
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Let's talk about women's rates of abusing and molesting children.
[–]Gnomish8 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago* (6 children) | Copy Link
Okay. Looks like 53.5% of perpetrators are female and 45.3% of perpetrators are male.
Who is most likely to abuse or neglect children? Of child abuse cases in 2012, in over 80% of the cases the parent was the perpetrator. In 2012, more than four-fifths (82.2%) of perpetrators were between the ages of 18 and 44 years while two-fifths (39.6%%) of perpetrators were in the 25-34 age group. Of the 2012 child abuse cases, 45.3% of the perpetrators were male and 53.5% were female.
Who is most likely to abuse or neglect children?
Of child abuse cases in 2012, in over 80% of the cases the parent was the perpetrator.
In 2012, more than four-fifths (82.2%) of perpetrators were between the ages of 18 and 44 years while two-fifths (39.6%%) of perpetrators were in the 25-34 age group.
Of the 2012 child abuse cases, 45.3% of the perpetrators were male and 53.5% were female.
http://www.safehorizon.org/page/child-abuse-facts-56.html
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Didnt see any facts about molestation.
[–]Gnomish8 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Nor have I seen you present any. Simply put, as far as abuse goes, women in general tend to abuse just about as much as men, you can nit pick all you want, it doesn't make your argument any stronger.
[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
What is my argument? Lol.
[–]Gnomish8 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're attempting to undermine the premise that women commit acts of abuse by hyper-selecting one specific (emotionally charged) category that people would assume to be dominated by men. Unfortunately, that falls under this, this, and this.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Sir you are shouting. Are you thinking of becoming violent towards a woman?
Lol that was a great one.
Gotta admit that i don't care about the gender nor the age when i think of becoming violent!
Just kidding...
[+]cmilliorn -19 points-18 points-17 points 9 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
This is a real sub? In my history with domestic violence, I have seen a handful of men who are victims. They exist, it's real. However, they have access to all the same establishments women do. We give them the same information, its the law. Now, the majority of the assaults I see are male perpetrated and all of the serious injury assaults are male perpetrated. Women are victimized far more, it's a fact, men are more likely to be violent. Its how things are.
[–]Thinkiknoweverything 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Many studies have shown that men are subject to domestic abuse almost as often as women, but society has taught them to "suck it up" and to "man up", and combined with the EXTREME lack of support or services that women have, it never gets reported.
[+]cmilliorn -10 points-9 points-8 points 9 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
I sincerely doubt they are any studies that show that. What I deal with is first hand knowledge every day. If you are saying it's just as common but 95% of men don't report it, the I guess we will never know.
[–]logic11 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/
[–]cmilliorn -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The president and owner of this website also owns a mail order bride website. The organization is very controversial and many other organizations denounce them for their bogus information. The "studies" are bogus and there is no information as to where the "hundreds of studies" are located or how they got their information. There are direct links from the president of the company attempting to reduce the rights of immigrant women by lobbying congress. This same man obtains profits by being able to send women from poor countries into america.
Regardless of his site, the 12 month estimate for physical violence (only IPV is considered in this estimate) shows men as being victims in larger numbers than women. Men are shown as being less frequent victims of stalking and there is no data on rape in that chart. It's http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf on page 38. This is the CDC's data, so probably not biased in the same was saveservices might be (and I will check out your claims as to the president of the organization, but whether or not they are true is irrelevant to the truth of these stats.
You should have know this, as he does list sources at the end of that article.
In some states, no matter who the victim is, the male is arrested. So why would a man report it.
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You are lying.
You dont work at a domestic abuse.
[–]cmilliorn -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
you are right I don't work at a domestic abuse
You dont work with domestic abused people
[–]Thinkiknoweverything -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
im not going to waste my time finding you sources, but I suggest you go check some of them out. Lets just say your anecdotal, single-sided evidence is straight up wrong.
[–]cmilliorn -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ok, you won't waste my time? I was sincerely curious. I work with victims of crime everyday. This has been my and my coworkers experience. You provided me with no studies just said they are out there.
Give me the name of one male abuser. I could talk to him. I have people skills.
[–]Thinkiknoweverything -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, I said I'm not going to waste MY time proving your one sided , anecdotal evidence wrong. If you're genuinely curious about the blind eye turned toward male domestic abuse victims, you can do the research yourself. I just wanted to make you aware of how wrong you were.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It's a fact. Except that it's completely false. But other than that, it's just how it is. Got it.
[–]cmilliorn -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I take it you got arrested once but she was the one that did it?
We have much to learn from you. Keep talking.
[–]cmilliorn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Words
Equally as brilliant.
[+]Alephz -9 points-8 points-7 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
So, are all of you ignoring the rest of the text in that picture or what?
"Information and support is also available for men who have experienced family and domestic violence."
[–]Kalahan7 6 points7 points8 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
[+]Alephz -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's an issue of framing. You're painting it to look worse than it is and ignoring that it's also a form of support. If you happen to be a male prone to anger and your wife is pissing you off for whatever reason, you'd be better off calling a hotline before doing something you regret and going to jail.
[–]logic11 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Um... no. Look, women abuse men slightly more frequently than men abuse women (although women do tend to take more damage when they are abused). Now, if you are a man who is being abused (and in this case I'm coming from the perspective of a man who was abused) you are never going to get to the end of that paragraph. You are going to give up and shut down even more.
[–]theskepticalidealist 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well considering it was the last line and there is no equivalent for women yea it'd say it doesn't make a difference.
[–]logic11 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I suspect he didn't circle the last line because for most men who are being abused they would not have made it past the lines above...
[–]theskepticalidealist 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You conveniently ignore that there is no line for abusive women getting help.
[+]niv85 -8 points-7 points-6 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But if it was left in what would everyone have to pretend to be outraged about?
[–]theskepticalidealist 4 points5 points6 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
The fact that the women's DV help line is for abuse victims not abusive women, but the male abuse line is for abusers that can also be referred somewhere if they just happen to be a victim
[+]newmansg -39 points-38 points-37 points 9 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
This whole sub should come to terms with reality.
You guys are living a fabricated world.
Stop making shit up in your head.
[–]Ferrum-Dues 17 points18 points19 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I stopped reading your history after you wanted to root for cancer....
You're a horrible person
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's just some coward's troll account, pay them no mind.
[+]newmansg -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fucking nothing better to do with your time... get a life son.
[–]theskepticalidealist 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yea this is a photoshop of a website that doesn't exist duh! /S
[–]newmansg -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If any of your beliefs were legit why are you guys congregated in a sub and blatantly censor comments that are contrary with downvotes?
Hope the take all your children away for no reason so that you guys can gently sob into the barrel of a gun.
[–]arwelsh -4 points-3 points-2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Men have it tough. And whites. If you're a Protestant on top of all that you might as well just check out because the world is gonna kick you till you don't get up.
[–]gimli666 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah, we white males get 10 million $ check when we are born, free mansion in luxury neighborhood and we are vaccinated to EVERY disease known to mankind. Go fuck yourself with a rake.
[–]newmansg -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes everyone can see that. That's why you guys formed a internet cabal that you strigently moderate with voting to win your arguments.
"I dont get a million dollar check at birth ipto facto i am oppressed like those damn niggers."
WAKE UP SHEEPLE
[+]wonderwaffle407 -11 points-10 points-9 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
How many cases are there of women abusing men vs men abusing women? I get the former does happen but does it require a 24 hour hotline?
http://www.saveservices.org/2012/02/cdc-study-more-men-than-women-victims-of-partner-abuse/ apparently a lot.
Yes it absolutely does, this is coming from a woman too.
[+]Alephz -12 points-11 points-10 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Regardless, if you read the rest of the text they do have a hotline established for men being abused. These guys are just getting angry about nothing.
[–]PFKMan23 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes and no. The fact that the leading statement is where men are being framed as potential abusers is telling. Men being abused is almost being used as a cutesy aside.
[+]Alephz -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thing is that statement isn't making any claims or social commentary, its simply listing its services. As I mentioned in my other comment, this is a form of support as well.
[+]InBaggingArea -12 points-11 points-10 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Last updated 21 October 2013.
What does it look like now?
As i recall, this was posted before, representations were made to the government body responsible, and they changed it. I could be wrong.
"Wow...just wow" tells us nothing about the content of the post and diminishes our freedom to choose for ourselves whether it's worth looking at. It's the equivalent of "everybody stop what you're doing and look at this because I think it's amazing". I normally ignore posts with such childish and unhelpful titles.
[–]Chlorophil 9 points10 points11 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
www.dvconnect.org
Edit: The Womensline is open 24/7; the Mensline is open 9am to midnight AND is the number is not as easy to remember.
[–]ThePedanticCynic 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Why not just have one fucking line?
I hate everyone.
Duh obviously all the male "victims" will call in and the female victims won't be able to get though /s
[+]InBaggingArea -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
But importantly different in other ways you would prefer not to mention.
Weak.
We didn't exactly win this one, but some progress happened, and should be acknowledged, if only to buoy our spirits.
[+]konoplya -16 points-15 points-14 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
one word: australia
[–]ashleab 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What the fuck is that meant to mean?
That we're a sexist, discriminative "police state", one which opposes free speech and also happens to be excessively expensive...
Yep, that about sums-up my home.
[+]jtj-H -23 points-22 points-21 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
the fucking repostiest of reposts
[+]niv85 -35 points-34 points-33 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"Wow...just wow" Men's rights is gonna start using that pussy fake outrage shit now? This entire thread could be on a feminist blog and no one reading the comments would know the difference
[–]theskepticalidealist 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Really? Show me a feminist blog being outraged that a DV organisation is assuming men are perpetrators and women are victims.
[–]niv85 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This specific issue isn't the point, because its just the flavor of the day. Tomorrow there will be another "wow, just wow", and it will be something different but all the comments will be the same. People just like to bitch on the internet because it makes them feel important for 2 seconds, then continue on with their day doing to nothing different from the day before.
[+]IHeartSoup -16 points-15 points-14 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hue
[+]yhelothere -16 points-15 points-14 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you get hit by a woman you are a pussy. God gave you more strength for a reason.
[–]999happyhants 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Found the troll...
[+]cjrjcjdkd -7 points-6 points-5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Jew run government. Wake up. Their still mad at the Romans.
[+]SiehsPositiv -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
But thats just stats. Woman don't commit these things as often. (still very unfortunate formulation)
[–]logic11 5 points6 points7 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They do. In 2010 according to the CDC men were victims of intimate partner physical violence slightly more frequently than women. It's not a big margin, but it's still far from what the media reports, since men are the majority of victims and women the majority of perpetrators.
[–]SiehsPositiv 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
could you give me some reference?
http://www.cdc.gov/ViolencePrevention/pdf/NISVS_Report2010-a.pdf The actual chart is on page 38.
[+]mitchel_dragon -22 points-21 points-20 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm a man, this doesn't bother me. I would never even look at a website like this because I'll never be a victim. Is OP a 4 foot 12 year old or something?
Never? I outweight my ex wife by a fair bit, and am a lot stronger than she is. She however used to beat the crap out of me. In the end I walked out on her when she was attacking me one day, and she kept hitting me in the back of the head as I walked away. I restrained her but didn't hit her back, and she decided to call the police and accuse me of hitting her... I spent the night in a cell, and things would have gone very poorly for me had a random stranger not seen the whole thing and come forward. Even with the physical evidence the police collected (she had bruising on her knuckles and nowhere else, I had bruising on the back of my head and nowhere else) we both ended up going to trial. Had I hit her back I would have been the one found guilty. She did exactly 0 minutes of time, and was sentenced to community service (which she never did) and anger management classes (which she never attended). I would have probably done jail time (as my brother did once, despite never having even been charged with anything other than uttering threats towards his wife - he threatened to take their cat).
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