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[–]RevRound 49 points50 points51 points 12 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Emo and self-pity is narcissism disguised as depth
He is right on the dot about that one
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[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are not a member of this community, and should not be seen as such by any regular reader here, or any visitor.
It's people like you and comments like this one that give our community a bad name.
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[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
lol u mad?
[–]coldacid 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
ya he mad.
[–]nanomagnetic 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh, he mad
[–]sink257 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As someone who speaks british english, where the word mad is used to denote crazy, I can't help but chuckle to myself.
[+]sepeedrace -10 points-9 points-8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol u mad fag?
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
no u
[+]sepeedrace -14 points-13 points-12 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
u mad emo fag? LOL
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Though it is kind of interesting how you register new accounts for copypasta. I mean, it's gotta take longer to sign up than to put the comment down.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
[–]nanomagnetic 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
....are you trying to karma-bomb or what?
[+]sepeedrace -11 points-10 points-9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
suck a cock faggot?
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[–]Ranzera 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
... You literally copy pasted sepeedrace' post. Both of you are redditors for 0 days.
Why are you astroturfing a fairly well meaning submission?
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TROLL
Calls 'em as I sees 'em.
[–]Ranzera 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just a friendly warning to people coming into this comment section. This submission is getting astroturfed by someone. Lots of flame bait by 0 day accounts.
[–]Malkor 31 points32 points33 points 12 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
I agree with everything except 6. There are tons of people who say they are depressed, and full of it, but real depression can kill.
[–]zyk0s[S] 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True, there are varying levels of what people call "being depressed", and not all of it is clinical depression. People then need help, but they also need to help themselves. Curing depression is not entirely in the hands of psychologists.
Let's remember this is 4chan, where you get points for bashing emotion-related stuff.
[–]radamanthine 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I'm relatively convinced that depression is a symptom.
[–]Gareth321 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It can be, but I don't believe it always is. That is, I believe my depression was the cause of a lot of other issues in my life. The problem with neurological disorders is that they're unique to the individual. Coming up with a diagnosis for one person probably has very little to do with anyone else with the same disorder. That said, major depressive disorder has a measurable impact on serotonin reduction in the brain under PET scans. Ditto for other disorders like schizophrenia (and dopamine). I believe general malaise or existential despair is often misdiagnosed as major depressive disorder.
[–]radamanthine 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Perhaps the depressive feelings are from the seratonin drop? And what causes that? Clinical, environmental... It has a cause and is thus a symptom.
There are certainly times that depression causes failure to thrive. But there is a certainty that failure to thrive can cause depression, too. As far as our community is concerned, the later is likely the more common culprit, regardless of common excuse.
[–]Gareth321 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I believe the cause is/was strongly biological. As a person would need to wear glasses to correct poor eyesight, I think some people simply have less serotonin in the places necessary to function correctly. There's certainly the question of cause and effect, and I'm sure that environmental stimuli can cause depression - particularly when a person is predisposed to it. I wouldn't suggest that no person's major depressive disorder isn't affected by other factors. In fact, I know many factors can compound the disorder. But I believe many people, properly diagnosed with depression, don't have a choice. Just as I don't have a choice to correct my eyesight by willing it so. Perhaps the problem is that of incorrect diagnoses? I believe that every man and his dog in the US is being prescribed antidepressants for the equivalent of the Monday blues.
[–]FascistOrigami -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Actually, as someone who has suffered from low-grade depression, I totally agree with #6: depression is really disguised anger. If you allow yourself to be angry, then you liberate yourself (although you will "scare" people, especially entitled women).
[–]Quazz 16 points17 points18 points 12 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Clinical depression is something quite different...
I wish people would start using the world melancholy again. As in:
I've been feeling a bit melancholy over the last few days.
[–]cockmongler -5 points-4 points-3 points 12 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Do you have anything more to add than that? Anger is a chemical state, depression is a chemical state, emotions can be controlled and I don't see you presenting evidence to counter the notion that over control of anger leads to depression.
[–]Quazz 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
The brain has a billion chemical states, doesn't mean that each one of them gives you depression. It's silly to draw such conclusions, especially when they're not in the slightest bit supported by medical evidence and reasoning.
Here's a link for you, scientific book about it : http://books.google.be/books?hl=nl&lr=&id=nUx91-LBzLkC&oi=fnd&pg=PR17&dq=what+causes+clinical+depression&ots=DO1s-iGPbi&sig=Ty0c4anOUjOcLcWGGSGNqzZoQBs#v=onepage&q=what%20causes%20clinical%20depression&f=false
And just anecdotal, I got a clinical depression while still expressing anger, of course once you actually have a clinical depression anger is not something you frequently express anymore because you just don't care anymore.
[–]cockmongler -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Well, I'm only on the second page and that book is explicitly stating that point 6 is not yet known to be wrong. While there is a valid argument to be made that he's just chucking something out there without having conducted the appropriate research, "Clinical depression is something quite different..." is not that argument.
[–]Quazz 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Science does not look for what's wrong, only for what's right. And it's not in there.
[–]Kill_The_Rich 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Science does not look for what's wrong, only for what's right.
WTF?!? Yes it does. Falsifiability is a big factor in scientific research.
[–]Quazz 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Falsifying scientific theories, yes. Falsifying every random statement, no.
[–]Kill_The_Rich -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Falsifying scientific theories, yes
Falsifying hypotheses, yes.
Falsifying every random statement, no.
A) that's a hypothesis. B) If it's falsifiable and it's not prohibitively difficult to research, there's a damn good chance someone has or will do a study on it.
[–]Gareth321 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
emotions can be controlled
As someone who has experienced depression, I strongly disagree. Would you tell this to someone with schizophrenia? Or alzheimers?
[–]cockmongler 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Controlled is the wrong word, constrained perhaps. I am not saying that the control is total, but intellect is not the slave to our emotions, nor are emotions slaves to intellect. The claim made in #6 is that too much effort put into controlling anger leads to depression.
[+]jakewest -6 points-5 points-4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's important that we don't miss his point of #6, being that depression is purely a side effect of not allowing yourself to be angry, yet one must outwardly express that anger responsibly.
[–]frankyb89 24 points25 points26 points 12 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
Good bits and bad bits.
General question, why do so many "alpha male" types think depression is bullshit? Seriously. I run into on this website as well as IRL and it's incredibly annoying and angering. His definition is a new one that's equally as annoying.
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The short answer is: because depression is a sickness and sickness is a weakness. Alpha males cannot appear weak.
[–]Redebo 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As evidenced by his "nothing is wrong, ever." point.
It's a wide spectrum. I think that some people experience the lower end, which can be overcome with shear willpower, so they think that applies to everyone who's depressed.
[–]RevRound 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Depression is definitely real but I think that many who claim they are depressed do not actually have clinical depression. I dont really agree with his reasoning in #6 but I think an over use of the idea of depression ties in perfectly into #5. I have been seriously depressed, in fact I ended up in the ER on two occasions and spent a bit of time in a mental health facility. I am not depressed anymore and it wasnt drugs or counseling that stopped it, it was a change in perspective and honestly, becoming a bit more mature to handle problems in life. When I was in my early 20s I was "forever alone", got burned out of college, and it didnt seem like I was going to get any sort of decent career going and I felt that this was never going to change. The thing is that it does change and you get out of life what you put into it and realizing this was the biggest step forward in achieving a decent non-depressed life
[–]frankyb89 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True. A lot of people that claim depression are only really sad. Luckily my lowest point only led to me having a fairly large breakdown and crying for the majority of a day then a few psych appointments that ended up doing a lot less than what I was doing myself at home but were still kinda helpful. I have a friend who's in and out of the hospital due to her depression so I guess I got off easy. And it really is changing how you learn to deal with things that changes it. I'd hit that point due to a situation that involved someone else. Up until then I was fairly sheltered and had never dealt with that situation before. I'm not one to ask others for help with my problems so I just tried to do it alone. At such a young age, that was a horrible choice to make. It all blew up a little under a year later. Now I'm much better. I still get those days sometimes but I've found ways to deal with them.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It's not always OK to be angry. Anger, especially if directed at the wrong people (and face it, it often is), is an even worse coping strategy than going numb.
[–]Sarstan -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Beyond what many want to believe (and what drug companies will feed to you), depression is a choice. Even "chronic depression" (which to me is bullshit, but let's assume) is just someone that is told they're depressed and never seeks out a way to get out of it/do something with their lives to feel accomplishment and lose the resentment.
Staying busy and staying on a goal is going to keep depression at arm's length at the very least.
Yes, common depression (I prefer the word melancholy) is pretty easily overcome with an attitude change/will power. Clinical depression, on the other hand, is pretty serious stuff. It's also pretty uncommon and it's easy to mistake melancholy for the real deal. With clinical depression you brain chemistry gets so out of whack that you can't escape it. It's like being in a hole that's slowly getting deeper and deeper, but you're too weak from exhaustion to climb out. Again, it's not common, and most people with depression probably have a bad case of melancholy, but the real deal exists and is quite serious.
[+]Demonspawn -7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
General question, why do so many "alpha male" types think depression is bullshit?
Because there's a simple cause of depression: Nothing is your fault. Therefore, there's nothing you can do to fix the sad state you are in. As such, you are depressed.
Alpha males, on the other hand, are self-responsible and take credit for their successes and their failures. Since the reason they failed was something they did wrong (rather than something someone didn't do for them) they avoid depression and, usually, don't see it as a real issue.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Huh... apparently "alpha" males are not scientists. Because there are plenty of chemical reasons to be depressed; some as simple as having low vitamin D. It's amazing that laying out in the sun or taking a vitamin supplement can cure it, but no it's obviously that "you are responsible for your successes and failures."
I guess alpha males also believe that only beta males get cancer too...
edit: be careful not to trivialize legitimate ailments, it's a slippery slope.
[–]Demonspawn -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because there are plenty of chemical reasons to be depressed
Much as chemicals can change thoughts, changes in thoughts can also change brain chemistry.
[–]radamanthine 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not quite. Alphas and Betas tend to both want people to solve their problems for them. The difference between being an alpha and a beta is that Alphas succeed in this endeavor.
One of the joys of manhood is self-sufficiency. It's like a girl getting knocked up. We have a biological clock for getting shit done.
[–]frankyb89 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe I'm an odd one but when I get depressed there is no specific cause. I feel... nothing, essentially, or maybe emptiness for some indeterminate span of time.
[+]cockmongler -8 points-7 points-6 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Where does he say that it's bullshit? Precious much?
[–]frankyb89 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I am precious. My mother told me that every word that comes out of my mouth is divine and should be treated as such. I should inform her that someone has a dissenting opinion of her little boy. Mother doesn't like dissenting opinion of her little boy. Eesh, that took a creepy turn. I think I need to stop reading /r/nosleep now...
Anywho, he's about one half-step from calling it bullshit. "Depression is not a painful experience. Depression is a numbing strategy etc..."? Those two parts alone tell me that he hasn't experienced it, doesn't know anyone who has experienced it, but still considers bullshit and refuses to listen to anyone else. This guy probably felt kinda sad at some point in his life, mistook that sadness for depression, then picked himself up out of it and said "see? Depression isn't so bad." Phrases a lot like those come up quite often when I end up debating the validity of depression.
[–]Kill_The_Rich 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Anywho, he's about one half-step from calling it bullshit.
He's correcting a common misconception. Depression isn't sadness, a better word for it might be "deflation"...like a balloon that's had some of the air taken out. You're not writhing in constant pain...you're just generally depressed...like a button, pushed down, etc.
Those two parts alone tell me that he hasn't experienced it,
Depression runs in my family, and I've been dealing with my own since I was a child. Those two lines tell me he HAS experienced it. That numbness he describes is a major part of depression.
It's the people who think it's just sadness that don't understand it. They think if you just make yourself happy, you'll be fine...but it doesn't work that way. ...he's correcting them.
Yeah, I think you're projecting someone else's opinion onto what this guy said.
[–]Bobsutan 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Good advise for the most part. And I completely agree about a man's market value going up in his 30s & 40s. Living proof of it right now.
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Did you miss taking your meds this morning or something?
Hi-ho, hi-ho, back to 4chan I go...
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Oh hey, two identical posts from two accounts? Hmm...
[–]powerpiglet 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The link in the post is to manhood101.com. That site is known to spam this subreddit.
[–]saisumimen 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
(Redditor for 2 hours)
LOL
[–]Ranzera 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
To everyone who replied to this D-bag. This Submission is getting astroturfed pretty hard. Look at all the extremely negative posts, pretty much all of those accounts were made today.
[–]Bobsutan 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
"Never marry a woman unless she loves you more than you love her"
That's actually good advice; it's about having hand in the relationship. The person who is least invested controls the relationship. If you don't want to be the guy who walks around with his balls in her purse, make sure she loves you more. It's not the only way, but it is a method I endorse.
[–]BowlingisnotNam 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I dislike the wording on this one, actually. I dislike when my relationships are governed somehow by control, and that is how it comes off. There is a big difference between this and maintianing personal power, but controlling the relationship based on who has the upper hand isn't something that would be healthy for me in a relationship.
Far better is to be sure that she loves you at least as much as you love her. But I guess I'm rambling now and I'm kind of bored of typing already so I guess I'll stop.
[–]nolotusnotes 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There's an age-old saying that goes "If she loves you, you can piss in the sink."
This saying is absolutely true.
Basically, the idea is that a woman in love will overlook any number of things for the man she loves.
It's been my personal experience that in every relationship of mine which has failed, the woman didn't just break up with me. She put me through hell first. Hell as in - I couldn't do anything right. Even if I did everything perfectly, something was still wrong. Always.
In stark contrast, women who loved me more than I loved them couldn't care less if I were 10 minutes late. Or had to visit my parents, or whatever.
Having had it both ways, I'd say it is much, much easier to live in a relationship where the woman loves you as much or more than you love them.
This never has to be a control issue. It's simply a relationship lubricant which makes the parts slide easier and not overheat.
Don't construe this reply as a disagreement with your post. I only wanted to touch on the idea that it does not have to be (and shouldn't be used as) a control mechanism.
[–][deleted] 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm not entirely sure what this has to do with men's rights. Not even a little.
[–]Dax420 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Where else on this site can you go to get a "bro-five"?
OneY is full of white knight pussies, we need a new sub-reddit for male bonding...
[–]zyk0s[S] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I saw this post and thought that indeed, MR is a little depressing at time, and both some laughter and some motivation would help things a little. And some of it is advice often given by members of this board, so I thought it would be somewhat relevant.
[–][deleted] 20 points21 points22 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This was full of shit, I'm sorry. Not everyone experiences life the same way, and I hate when people try to generalize and make little bulleted lists explicitly stating what is and what isn't.
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[–]sadshark 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Excellent reply, excellent account.
[–]Sarstan -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
if you aren't experiencing life so that at least part of that list applies to you, you're doing it wrong.
I wish I could upvote you more than once just for that comment. I get tired of friends who drag their knuckles through life, especially about women (treat them as you'd like to be treated means you'll get treated like shit in the end), and then bitch about it. You don't have to be "alpha", but quit looking at the world as a just existence and accept that many things, especially women, are still bound strongly by natural instinct.
Alan Arkin?
[–]ImEatingASandwich 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like my clipped first mate, thanks.
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[–]cyanosed_hippo 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Doesn't make the points any less valid :D
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[+]fattyfattyfatcunt -7 points-6 points-5 points 12 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Actually, no, dickhead, he/they didn't. At no point in the text does it say: "I am old, and experienced with women, therefore what I say is true". It just said: "settle a few things and offer some advice".
Also, I can't believe you need a cite for
most women are irrational and neurotic
I guess you're a "depressed", circumcised smoker who faps to Japan all day every day. WAH SOMEONE POSTED ON THE INTERNET, IT WAS ALL A SCAM AND LIE DESIGNED TO BAFFLE AND TRICK ME
[–]End3r 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Oldguyfag An (old) man's advice to 4chan
Oldguyfag
An (old) man's advice to 4chan
You are either stupid or being purposefully obtuse. Lists like this pop up on 4chan all the time but none of them made it here because they by themselves are only generalizations with the quality of truthiness, only when they were coupled with presumed experience were they accepted as something of value.
I don't know about most women, but you've proven your own irrationality and neuroticism quite thoroughly, congratulations. Calm yourself down, you're making a scene.
[–]fattyfattyfatcunt -3 points-2 points-1 points 12 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
wow cool dude you're a pretty cool guy
check out your total social mastery. you sure put me in my place. the world's one true alpha, posting on a subsection of the internet dedicated to learning how to talk to girls.
[–]End3r 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I am a girl actually, but yeah, compared to the likes of you, I'm the world's one true alpha.
And this is not a subsection dedicated to learning how to talk to girls, it is a subsection dedicated to men's rights and trolling, thank you very much.
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[–]radamanthine 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
He's trolling with an anvil of truth.
Anvil. Of truth.
Oh the irony.
[–]Ma99ie 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
"Honor is a male abstraction. don't expect women to understand." True dat.
[–]zyk0s[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Since honor is tied with the idea of "being a man", and losing one's honor is losing one's manhood, it isn't a stretch to say that honor is really a male virtue.
[–]BolshevikMuppet 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's absolute crap. Most men don't adhere to any sense of honor or fair play, and you're making unfounded assumptions vis-a-vis women adhering to a code of honor.
You can make the argument they don't anymore, bust historically there was a social pressure to be honorable that was imposed on men (the closest female counterpart could be "virtue", but that is not the same as honor). As always, actions of individuals can vary, that is not the argument here. Can you give me the shaming equivalent of "you're not a man" for a woman who has failed to act honorably? The closest you may find is "you're a bitch", which ties exactly to the issue of virtue I mentioned earlier.
[–]BolshevikMuppet -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? I'd wager most guys, if they do adhere to a code of honor, adhere to something more akin to "meh, as long as it doesn't inconvenience me or make me worse off, I might help someone", but I've yet to see many men who wouldn't screw their best friend over in pursuit of sex.
[–]Sarstan -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
My wife doesn't understand why I insist on paying on a car that I bought from a friend where I promised with just word to pay on. She heard what the money would be spent on and thinks that justifies not paying it. Legally, I'm not bound to pay. My honor, however, will not let me turn a blind eye to the issue.
You are legally bound to pay. See "promissory estoppel", "parol evidence rule" and basic contract law.
[–]Sarstan 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The pink slip shows an amount that has already been paid, long and done with. The amount agreed verbally is more than that, and not quite fully paid. The writing, which from what I understand is more bound than word, says I'm done.
Why marry someone like that? I doubt you can depend on her.
[–]KronktheKronk 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That man deserves a title, and some god damned armor and a warhorse so he can look the part he now holds in my mind.
I salute that man.
[–]everhood13 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Love this! I'm a woman and I agree 100%. Great advice from an "old man" to the next generation. Ignore most of #6 and the advice is awesome.
The phrase "make sure she loves you more then you love her" always stuck out to me, I never liked it because of how cynical it seems. of course, in the back of my mind I know it's probably true
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
woah... that dude is a bit backward and sexist. i guess he fits in pretty well on 4chan.
[–]bobbyjkl 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I take it you're a woman.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Nope... have my very own penis and everything ;)
Tho, my partner is just about to graduate with a BA in Gender Studies... but I'm not a feminist. In fact I've often remarked to my partner that perhaps she could have studied a subject that wasn't just one paradigm trying to claim to be an entire discipline.
4chan tends to be very homophobic and sexist in its language... that dude is also quite sexist. That's why I thought he would fit in pretty well.
Lol she made you call her your 'partner'.
[–]zyk0s[S] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
If by sexist you mean believing women and men are actually fundamentally different in psychology and not only physiology, then yes, he is sexist. But so is the majority of humans on this planet.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
nah, i was talkingabout the overtly sexist stuffthat he said...stuff about honor being gender related, that 'a woman wants to' , that if he can't get an erection it's something to do with the woman.
this guy has obviously been hurt at some point, and that's really sad and i'm glad he has coping strategies... but he is just making a bunch of ridiculous generalisations that may have applied to some of his limited experience but is in no way universal or something that should ever be supported by an MRA without realising that it's just as sexist as some of the second-wave feminist bullshit that drives many of us insane.
[–]Sarstan -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You have to think about the relationship of men and women in an animal nature, not a civil. for a lame, overly displayed example. Think back to your high school years. Girls would fall all over themselves for the "asshole", right? They knew. Lord knows they knew that they were walking into trouble, but the bait of a masculine man that keeps a woman in her place is too much to resist for many women. There's many other examples of this, but I think this one thing alone truly demonstrates that you, in your mind, can't treat a woman as an equal or you're going to either get completely walked all over or you're going to lose her because you're not "man enough" in her eyes.
There ends up being a more common exception today: Young women that deny what they really want and end up with meek men. Ultimately they often feel resentful about it, but will never admit it, many not even knowing that's the issue altogether.
Even better, just ask a woman what she wants in a man, then watch what she swoons over. The discrepancy (or admitting to animal instinct) is exceptionally clear.
[–]BolshevikMuppet -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Evolutionary psychology is crap, please stop relying on it.
Correlation does not prove causation
Ignoring confounding variables is bad science.
but the bait of a masculine man that keeps a woman in her place is too much to resist for many women.
Correlation between women going for "jerks" and those jerks treating them badly does not prove the latter causes the former. The fact is that the former could cause the latter (guys who are attractive enough to get girls put less effort into relationships, that aloofness comes across as being a "jerk"). You're also ignoring confounding variables, and assuming that girls and women go after "jerks" solely because they're jerks. That's like saying "of course rich guys go after young girls, they've all got really nice hair". Maybe that's a factor, but it sure as hell isn't the only factor.
Let's try a test. Let's say that I ask you what kind of woman you want, and you say "well, someone caring, smart, funny, ect." Does that mean any girl who is caring, smart, and funny will automatically be desirable? Some fat girl with hairy moles and horrible skin? Of course not. It's not "discrepancy" for a woman to want a nice, caring, smart, funny, man who she also wants to sleep with.
[–]Sarstan 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Evolutionary psychology is crap? Since when? The mammalian diving reflex is very much present in humans, which is a psychological reflex to slow the heart. Desire to biologically reproduce is exceptionally present and surrounds our very existence. You find the "hot" chicks attractive because of their pleasing physical features. Features that are found appealing because they display a healthy, fertile woman that you want to mate with. Women seek strong, confident, assertive men because of the same reasons.
If you honestly believe that "evolutionary psychology" is crap, then there's not much else to tell you other than try and treat a woman like you want to be treated. Enjoy being single for the rest of your life or finding a desperate/manipulative/paid off woman.
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[feminism is] one paradigm trying to claim to be an entire discipline.
Epiphany had. Thank you sir. I feel like I've learned something important today.
Bunch of bullshit based on anecdotal evidence. I'll live how I want, thanks.
[–]Hebert1 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Is that John lock?
[–]BolshevikMuppet 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough
Personal opinion (at best). But, we've had this argument here a good dozen times in the past six months, and I'd rather not rehash it.
I completely disagree. You're "friend zoned" because the woman doesn't find you attractive sexually, even while wanting to be your friend. She offered you emotional support, you seemed to reciprocate. It's not her fault you also wanted sex.
Women are not cats to be distracted by shiny things. Like any person (including our male friends) they deserve real emotional support when things are going down. I do agree about not helping a woman cheat; if she'll leave another man for you, she'll leave you for another man.
Yes and no. The problem is that you can listen to the fucking Beatles and hear an awful lot of "woe-is-me" bullshit. A whole bunch of subculture, counter-culture, and a whole lot of really good music, all comes from the same "well since my baby left me, I've found a new place to dwell, it's down on the end of lonely street called "hearbreak hotel"" stuff.
Yes and no. The problem is that people who give into their anger actually become more angry as a result. Catharsis doesn't work.
Smoking is bad.
Every culture has its own "what the hell" aspects. The problem I have with 4chan's reaction to "weeaboos" is that they paint people who can appreciate the art and history (and television) of Japan with the same brush as the people who are absolutely obsessed with it.
For the guys who are into that stuff, it's fine. And everyone should find people with similar interests. I think that talking about it in terms of "manly activity" is somewhat counterproductive. One of the things we should be doing as a movement is becoming more inclusive in our definition of what being "manly" is.
I don't think of relationships as economics.
Do not be in relationships with people who don't treat you well.
Fair enough.
Really? I mean, I get not marrying someone who you love a lot more than she loves you, but if the only relationship that you'll accept is one where she loves you more, you're going to have to pick girls who aren't as desirable as you are.
Don't panic, bring a towel.
Bullshit. Absolute fucking bullshit. First, hardly any men abide by any rules of civil conduct or honor. Second, women do understand honor (admittedly, the same low number exists for both genders), but it's not a "hurr, men are honorable, women be bitches" thing, it's a "most people are scum" thing. I've known just as many men who wouldn't know honor or camaraderie or brotherhood if it bit them on the ass as I've known women who were inconsiderate.
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Holy moly, that was inspiring. What is seddit, though? :x
EDIT: D: dv'd for not knowing what seddit is? ouch. sorry for being taken, lol.
[–]zyk0s[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The seduction subreddit, aka PUA town.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
haha, okay thanks.
[–]dj1200techniques 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Fuck is a PUA ?
[–]zyk0s[S] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
PickUp Artist.
Frat-boy douchebag
[–][deleted] -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I agree with everything else.
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I am one of the few asshole atheists. Most of my kind are quite nice. Most theists are only nice to each other. But when religion comes up, they can go fuck themselves. Most atheists are too nice for their own good. They think it's a bad thing to start religious arguments just for the sake of it.
Both camps have people they don't want. I think if we stopped generalizing each other things would be a little better.
[–]ghostchamber 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm an atheist and I think #1 hits the nail on the head.
That's because you probably only hangout with asshole atheists. Birds of a feather, you know?
[–]Sarthax -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This list is missing the best advice ever given to me by my Grandfather.
"You can only sit and shit on one toilet at a time, any more is a waste"
[–]StormyP -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
this is why old people should stick to the telegraph and stay off the internet.
[+]bollowin -15 points-14 points-13 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah let's take faggot advice from /b/tards. You're not too bright are you?
[–]radamanthine 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Lets take advice from someone on reddit who calls people faggots. Haters gonna hate, I guess.
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That's fascinating, especially since he said nothing at all about race.
[–]Aikidi 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Miss the part where he said "Japanese culture is oppressive, thats why so many nips kill themselves"? Thats pretty fucking racist.
I did miss that part.
I stand corrected - he does sound a little bit like a bitter old racist.
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"redditor for 49 minutes"
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Rule 1 of pasta, don't post where it can be seen next to the old pasta.
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reporting your sorry pasta-as-fuck comments and accounts. u mad sis?
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