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A handy guide to attractiveness levels as a man

April 2, 2022
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So people wonder what the various parts of the male distribution look like with regard to attractiveness.

I assure you it's simple and less awesome than is commonly believed.

Bottom 20: Casual sex not possible, ltr only with the homeliest women

Middle 60: casual sex once in a blue moon with a homely woman, ltr below average-average woman

80th percentile: consistent casual sex with homely women, ltr with average cute women

90th-95th tile: consistent casual sex with cute women, average and below women practically jump into bed, ltr average and above women, may land a smokeshow

95-99+: consistent casual sex with cute+ women, ltr cute and smokeshow women

...

That's consistent with my observations. The "power" of breaking into the top 20% is greatly exaggerated.

My observations are pretty consistent with GSS data showing point blank most men aren't having much casual sex...5 partners in a year puts you in the top 5%.

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[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] [score hidden] stickied comment (0 children) | Copy Link

No incl content

[–]januaryphilosopherBlue Pill Woman 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Five partners a year would put you into the top 5% of partner count per year, but doesn't really say that about your attractiveness. You need to account for those in LTRs or who aren't particularly focused on casual sex who aren't going to reach five partners a year because they don't want to. I'd also say that it's wrong to judge a person's attractiveness just by how their partners look. You need to think about how many people find them attractive rather than just how they look, and think about their other qualities (if you're only liked by pretty and abusive women, that doesn't reflect well on you, for example). Your personality determines who you'll be into more than your looks.

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To say it's not dispositive of attractiveness is correct. To say there's not a strong correlation is not.

You can easily account for the people in relationships by segregating out the data.

Turns out among single guys, the spread is pretty much the same.

And no, there's no such thing as only being liked by abusive people. Any guy with options kicks those chicks to the curb really fast, leaving guys without options left with those abusive people.

[–]s_zauez 12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

wtf is “homely” women

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LMAO….it’s amazing how we men manage to self-burn ourselves!

We refer to a woman as “homely”, and then jump right into bed with her! 😂🤣

[–]Lakeyute 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically someone who looks like the typical guy with a wig

[–]SuggestedAd67328 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

your average butter-face semi-chubby girl

[–]trilobright -4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Is English not your first language?

[–]s_zauez 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And if it isnt? gtfo lmfao

[–]trilobright -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I assumed that would be why you weren't familiar with a common word like 'homely'.

[–]JohnDoe_RipXanax Pill 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It would be great if you would’ve put pictures to represent the average guy in each level.

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Eh, attractivensss has a subjective component so that's useless.

Just go try to have casual sex with women.

You'll find your level real quick.

[–]JohnDoe_RipXanax Pill -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m in a relationship so I don’t participate in casual sex but ik a couple women who would be down to fuck if I asked idk if that counts.

[–]Orange_PaisleyDowager Empress 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would be concerned about your STD results if you have a new sex partner every other month but that’s just me.

[–]1962_beta-simp 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

5 a YEAR????? God do i miss the 70s

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I bet...

The GSS hasn't recorded any big changes since it first started taking the measure sometime in the 80s.

So maybe the 70s were wildly different...but I doubt it.

[–]1962_beta-simp 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It was "Disco" times. You went there not for a dance...

A week without sex ?

Also "skinny dipping" after the closing of the disco's was a common thing back then.

The fun went away with the arrival of AIDS.

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Disco was the “settling down” phase of the sexual revolution. The “experimentation” phase occurred during the late 60’ and early 70’s, with the stereotypical “unwashed hippies” in VW vans. Disco appeared in the late 70’s.

The Disco lifestyle was an attempt to “normalize” the sexual revolution, with people holding down regular jobs during the week, and sleeping around on the weekend. Like you said, HIV ended it.

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah I think people here don't get self selected groups and outliers.

[–]1962_beta-simp 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

To get it clear - i'm talking about central europe (gernany) back then. i was raised there

[–]Siukslinis_acc 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So a man is only attractive if he can get casual sex?

[–]JohnDoe_RipXanax Pill 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s a good indicator.

[–]jackedclown_1 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's be honest, it's the best indicator. Unless he's over 40, then you kinda expect him to slow down.

[–]raju1462 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the opposite, the more attractive you are, higher your chances of Casual sex.

[–]TheJim66Red God-Emperor of Slut Country 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, that's pretty much consistent with what TRP says. At the top 20% you aren't Chad, you are just now seen as an option.

[–]Hoosker-Doos 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, it all really comes back to women having much lower sex drives.

[–]CocoBabeNYC 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How is that women both have low sex drives and have hundreds of guys fucking them at the same time. Is this like Schrodinger's woman? She is simultaneously too low libido to want to fuck and constantly tripping over dick (just not yours)? Make it make sense.

[–]escapedfromthecrypt 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Duty vs Passionate sex?

[–]Hoosker-Doos 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Where the fuck did I say women have hundreds of guys fucking them??

[–]kartu3 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds realistic, shrug.

[–]trilobright 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Casual sex requires a certain level of emotional callousness when you're in the upper percentiles, because they all want to be your girlfriend.

[–]MrMushySauceNo pill on PPD, RP in the sheets 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

95th percentile woo

[–]Lotus_82 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never seen dudes complaining about hypergamy outside of these incel subs. Guys try to hook up with the hottest girls they can get as well, same as women.

Everyone does it, it’s just a normal thing to want to hook up with the most attractive person you can.

[–]peteypete78 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

hypergamy

noun

the action of marrying or forming a sexual relationship with a person of a superior sociological or educational background.

Nothing to do with looks.

[–]Lotus_82 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re absolutely right, the point I was trying to make is that we all try to hook up with the highest quality partners we can get, and that’s not an inherently masculine or feminine trait.

As a guy, I always try to hook up with the smartest, most attractive woman I can, and that’s perfectly normal. So I have a hard time understanding why incels seem to care that women do it.

[–]peteypete78 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a guy, I always try to hook up with the smartest, most attractive woman I can, and that’s perfectly normal. So I have a hard time understanding why incels seem to care that women do it.

You know a lot of men get what they can get and don't have the choice.

Think about how the average man isn't all that attractive to women and then think that half of men are worse than that.

[–]Over_Noise3530 5 points6 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

This assumes all women want relationships. For me a cute to average man is only good for casual sex. I would not commit to one. Ltr is reserved only for the hottest men. I won't let an average man take me off the market but if I'm feeling thirsty he can fuck. And there's a big trend of women buying PS5 for their lover, I'm not doing that unless he's a ten.

[–]Emil_1996 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Good luck with this mindset unless you are a 9-10/10 who fills the traditional role as a woman. I imagine you are a 6-7 at max, in this range you seem to think you are all that when in reality, you really aren't.

You sound extremely extremely superficial, shallow and a bit deluded.

Imagine thinking someone being "hot" is what makes a man good.

This mindset you got will lead you to unhappiness in relationships 'cause you believe hotness will lead to a happy life. Have fun when they happen to be a douchebag.

You're never going to find that 9-10 of your dreams, might as well just realize that now.

[–]Over_Noise3530 -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Sweetheart I'm in my 30s, I've been there done that. I'm perfectly happy being single. I've been in 2 long term relationships with average guys and I've been single for ten years since they ended. I would pick the single life any day

[–]Emil_1996 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Honey, you have been single for 10 years, since you were 20.

You claim to have had 2 long term relationships before that.

Y'all were kids.

People grow up, and a long term is multiple years.

So you're still stuck in the mindset that "average" men behave like your partners did when you lot were 15 - 20 years old?

I feel sorry for you, because you have a shitty attitude towards dating and zero belief in that people change.

You see how someone looks and you automatically but them in the same bracket as your Ex's, who were probably immature (and the age has a lot to do with that).

People who are 30-40 are more mature than people who are 15-20.

Sucks for you that you have such a garbage attitude.

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I said I'm in my 30s, not 30. And one of my long relationships were with an older man, not a kid

[–]Emil_1996 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You were still very young and haven't been in a relationship for 10 years, things change.

But I guess you don't, with that toxic, entitled attitude of yours.

I seriously hope for every dude out there that they all see through your shit and you never get tied up to anyone cause no one deserves to endure what will inevitably end in a heck of a lot of pain and toxicity.

I support your quest to always stay single, the world will be better that way.

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Very young but according to Reddit, I peaked at age 21. You all claim women should not try to settle after hitting the wall, and that's exactly what I'm avoiding, yet I'm being called toxic.

[–]Emil_1996 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those people are idiots though, there's no peaking at 21 etc.

That's very young, most women will not be at their highest level of maturity at that age, let alone men.

I'm calling you toxic because you have an unrealistic expectation of relationships.

Your expectations are only valid if you are a 10/10, feminine to the core, has all her shit together and have no bagage.

You don't, because you're not perfect, just like everyone else.

No one's perfect, so don't expect perfect.

[–]Hoosker-Doos 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤮

[–]Mondholm 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

how long has the ltr been reserved for the hottest men?

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Are you asking me how long I've been single?

[–]Mondholm -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

how long it is reserved in average

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry I do not understand your grammar

[–]Mondholm 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

no need to apologize

you say you reserve your ltr. i wonder for how long you reserve it in average. do you wait 2 months for the hottest man, or 2 years?

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've been single for ten years. I was in 2 long term relationships with average men that I chose to end. I'm perfectly fine with being single forever if I don't meet someone I fall head over heels for

[–]Mondholm 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair enough

[–]JulianKarlaz 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good luck with that.

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No it doesn't.

[–]PM_ME_RAREST_PEPES1 points [recovered] (18 children) | Copy Link

You’re triggering these scrotes out here ahahaha

[–]Hoosker-Doos 7 points8 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I promise you no one is “triggered” 🤣, only our gag reflex

[–]Emil_1996 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Exactly lol, this girl sounds extremely entitled and I can guarantee you she is nothing more than average at best.

She'll be lonely forever until she realizes what she has in mind right now, is unattainable.

[–]PM_ME_RAREST_PEPESDyke Pill -1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

What you scrotes don’t understand is that you need women waaaay more than they need you.

[–]Emil_1996 -1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Lmao,

Us men definitely don't "need" women.

Women have always been the ones more in of a need of a partner.

I'm not being sexist here, just stating facts, the world is run by men and men are the price.

Men create everything you see around us.

Men innovate shit to another level.

Men are leaders.

Men can defend themselves physically, women cannot.

If you genuinely believe women are the prize, all I can see is geez, good luck.

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Are you threatening me with violence? Because so far I have been able to defend myself fine, even when alone in the inner city. I travel alone regularly and never needed a mans "protection"

[–]Emil_1996 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

How did you come to the conclusion that I was threatening you??

Obviously, I'm talking in general, there will always be the odd one out.

Imagine a decent sized man attacks someone in the street.

More men will be able to defend themselves than a woman ever could.

Many women could never defend themselves against any man ever, and would need a man to fill that role.

No matter how well you are at defending yourself, you will never be able to reach the heights men can reach physically because it's simply not possible.

This is common sense, because men and women are built differently.

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's funny I made it to my 30s and I'm not dead yet, considering I've been traveling alone since college

[–]Emil_1996 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why yes, it's uncommon in the grand scheme of things, but for most women it's the sense of security that matters.

They can't fill that role themselves unless they're Ronda Rousey.

[–]PM_ME_RAREST_PEPESDyke Pill 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Ahaha no.

In the past, because women have been violently inhibited by men’s physical strength and childbirth yes, the needed a partner.

But they don’t now. And now that they don’t need you, you have to develop a whole ideology explaining why they won’t touch you.

Men have been the only named creators because they’ve done everything in their power to violently control women. But as soon as birth control is invented you can share your vapid NPC male opinion from the shitter and use that technology to invent an ideology as to why women won’t fuck you. Your arrogance and stupidity too thick for you to recognize the correlation.

There’s a reason you die younger, especially if a woman ain’t there to wipe your ass.

[–]Emil_1996 -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You completely missed the point

I don't care if I end up living my whole life single, I'm only ever giving that up if I find someone who's worth it

Point still stands, men are the price.

Who runs the world? Who are better at almost everything?

Men, always been like that, always will be.

Men are way more prone to succeed on their own because men at their core, have that drive to conquer shit. A man without something to work towards and fight for, is no man. Many women are just happy and content with building a family because it's in their nature.

And no, flaunting your body on OF, Instagram etc. is not success, it's just being a hoe.

[–]PM_ME_RAREST_PEPESDyke Pill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You and I both know your whole sense of self is tied into what women think of you.

[–]Emil_1996 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely not, that is the reality for simps. I don't simp.

The only thing that matters is what I think of myself.

If you get your sense of self worth from what others think about you, you're fucked and will live a sad life, because you will always work on pleasing others rather than being true to yourself.

[–]PM_ME_RAREST_PEPES1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Cope harder incel.

[–]Emil_19961 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes, hit me with the incel comment because I presented facts

🤡

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cu they don't like hearing that my opinion of them matters more than their opinion of me

[–]MrMushySauceNo pill on PPD, RP in the sheets 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

And there's a big trend of women buying PS5 for their lover, I'm not doing that unless he's a ten.

If I dm you a pic and it meets your standards will you buy me a PS5

[–]Over_Noise3530 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I want a pic of your face and also full body, not a dick pic. And make sure you send your location, cuz it's not happening unless we fuck and I like it

[–]MrMushySauceNo pill on PPD, RP in the sheets 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck there goes my plan. My dicks actually an 11/10 so i was hoping itd compensate for only being 9/10 myself

[–]Magnito-was-right 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

This is so hilariously wrong. Most people date and have sex with people around their same attractiveness level. Anything else would be really desperate.

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No they don't.

Women are very selective about who they have casual sex with.

Multiple studies show this and show that when women pair up with someone they've known awhile, the assortative mating component for attractiveness completely goes away...

[–]Magnito-was-right1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

You are saying for relationships that men date people less attractive than them and that is simply not true. Most couples are the same attractiveness or the woman is slightly more attractive.

[–]OhyarlysmilesI'm the guy in my profile pic pill[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn't say any of that.

Notice how for ltr the partners roughly match the distribution of the men?

CASUAL SEX != Dating

[–]Lucky_kidney 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No he is not saying that and i disagree with u. Please read the okcupid research on this.

[–]lazy1121 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

same attractiveness level

In my experience no. I've dated with many women out of my league.

I'm a doctor who is at the moment is going for a phd, i also invest and own many properties that i rent. I'm a 5/10 (in this scale 6 is average)

Thing is while men consider primarily looks, women tend to consider more financial stability and social status, even if it is only for a hookup.

[–]FizzleMateriel 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Those women were using you for your Beta Bux, they’re not lusting for you.

[–]lazy1121 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can you explain what "beta bux" means? Anyway yes i know that most of them were not dating me for my physichal appereance but mainly because of my social status. Still i always clarify on the first (or second) date that i'm not looking for anything other than casual sex.

Some of them ghost me, some of them try to "seduce me"( by trying to gatekeeping sex) and some of them are fine with only have a casual relationship.

I believe that out of every 10 women that i date i manage to have sex with maybe 2-3 of them.

[–]SuggestedAd67328 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yep. you are very right about money / social status.

phd won’t get you far, btw. it’s better to focus on business/connections.

2-3 / 10 fucks per new date was my average too.

[–]Hoosker-Doos -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That is absolute bullshit, what fantasy world are you living in? I have several model level attractive friends, all of them are forced to fuck extremely unremarkable women.

[–]miau_chiu[🍰] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I honestly would love to see that, or maybe it's just my country, but I always see couples where the woman is more attractive.

[–]Magnito-was-right 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I have several married friends and all of the women are slightly more attractive than the men

[–]Hoosker-Doos 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is not common

[–]Substantial_Video560 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm definately in the bottom 20%! 😅 Saying that I'm no longer actively looking for a relationship anymore. In recent years I've made peace with being alone/single. Whenever I need a sexual fix I'll just book an escort. That way I usually have sex once or twice a month, money permitting. The rest of the time I focus on work, hobbies and interests.

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[–]miau_chiu[🍰] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit. My so is in the top 5% then. Wtf. (I'm only cute tho).

[–]JoelMB12 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Were you an engineering major?

[–]Patrickstarho 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like how good you look should not be determined by how much sex you have.

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