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A Red Pill Woman Would Probably Never Date a Red Pilled Man

January 16, 2023
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And I think that’s the main issue.

Red pill women seem to want to go out of their way to make their relationships work: this includes communicating both partners needs regularly, changing habits to fit partners preferences and ensuring that they present a kind and caring partner. Even if the relationship is not “trad” they still try to take components of trad life to make their partner feel special and loved.

Red pill men,however, seem to want to make women suffer for their past misdeeds. Their entire motivation seems to be selfish, and making women feel less valuable in general, even women they like.

There are some great things that come out of the red pill man mindset:

  1. Not putting women on pedestals
  2. Telling men to be comfortable in their masculinity and how they want to portray it
  3. Making men look for abusive behaviors like shit-testing

But there are others that make red pill men completely undateable to the women that would be most compatible with them:

  1. Don’t apologize
  2. Be selfish
  3. Only date young, naïve, inexperienced, dependent women.

Tactics like negging, flirting with other women, acting smug about her worries and being dismissive all under the guise of “keeping her interested” are counter productive.

Even if they do get a partner that he can provide for, a RPM may keep up his previous behaviors and inadvertently cause the relationship to tarnish.

Red Pilled Men have picked up behaviors that create angry, bitter and paranoid women: causing them both to be in a vicious cycle of dissatisfaction.

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[–]coffeeaddict2300Red Pill Woman 36 points37 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

As a red pill woman, I do agree with this to an extent. For the most part, the objectives of an RPW and RPM are different. RPW want a traditional life, marriage, commitment, a man who makes us feel comfortable in our femininity and overall treats us well. RPM, on the other hand, don’t wanna give commitment, are hesitant to get married/will get married “unofficially” and will often wanna sleep around on the side which doesn’t really go with a traditional lifestyle. I’m not saying all RPM are like this but this is what TRP preaches a lot of the time. As an RPW, I wouldn’t wanna be with a man who’s always thinking about ways that I can screw him over and doesn’t trust or appreciate my efforts for our relationship. RPM have a lot of distrust in women and tend to generalize our behaviour to fit whatever the red pill has taught them about women.

If the values and objectives don’t match, it’s hard to have a successful relationship. To me, the ideal man is aware of the red pill but has family values, wants marriage and has the ability to love a woman. This isn’t something common in the TRP guys but that’s their life and it’s not my place to judge them for it.

It’s ironic because a lot of the TRP guys want a traditional woman, who’s not feminist, is a virgin or has a low body count - however, their lifestyle will attract a woman who’s the opposite of all that.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 16 points17 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Or a man who is “naturally red pilled” which is what I see a lot on the RPW sub. I can’t imagine most of the RPW dating a RPM tbh. The goals really are just so different. RPM take all of these “biological/evolutionary truths” in the least charitable way so they kind of shoot themselves in the foot… they absolutely attract the type of women who will screw them over/cheat/monkey branch/etc. bc they’re unknowingly selecting for those traits.

[–]coffeeaddict2300Red Pill Woman 5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I agree, couldn’t have said it better myself.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

That’s why I don’t really like hearing TRP nonsense. Yes, some women are awful. So are some men. (Same reason I don’t love FDS nonsense.) I actually don’t mind RPW sub. I didn’t realize that red pill ideas could be taken in the most charitable way but RPW makes way more sense and resonates a ton more than any bile I’ve ever heard from 99% of TRP.

You get what you give. 🤷🏽‍♀️

[–]coffeeaddict2300Red Pill Woman 7 points8 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

A male friend of mine first introduced me to TRP and RPW a bit over a year ago and I was really turned off my TRP at first, seeing the way men talk about women on there made me never want to date again. For a minute, I almost started to believe that all men are trash 🥲

I didn’t even explore the RPW sub much because I assumed it was the same sort of stuff. A few months went by and I started browsing RPW and realized a lot of the ideas on there resonated with me and the women on there are supportive of each other while also recognizing the struggles of men. RPW is the red pill but less radical and without hating on women.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Agree. TRP is actually quite vile. RPW sub says “it’s not bad, they just have diff goals” but I disagree lol. Just like FDS goes from “female focused” (which is fine) to “male hating” (not fine), TRP is male focused and female hating… and much much more aggressive about it than even FDS gets. If TRP was my only intro to red pill stuff (which it is for most people), I’d think it was dumb as fuck and a misogynistic hate group (which it often veers into). RPW really could work for men too, it’s just commitment-focused… which a lot of RPM say they don’t want despite the fact that virtually all humans eventually do want commitment.

[–]James_Cruse -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How is the TRP based around “hatred of women”?

People saying they don’t like some modern women’s behaviour because it negatively benefits those women, families, work and society at large is NOT hatred.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not TRP as a concept itself, but the community around TRP. I mean, there’s literally a well known “rage stage” that almost all of TRP men go through and many get stuck in. It gets extremely gross, toxic, and misogynist. TRP community even acknowledges this! Much like FDS women go through the same type of “rage stage” towards men. Which is why I said TRP : FDS basically (with some differences, of course.)

[–]James_Cruse 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No there is isn’t - there is no science behind this.

When men have “red pill rage”, as it’s called, it’s not TOWARDS women. It’s an unhappiness that they have been lied to by their parents, their schools, the news/media and even psychology about the true nature of women and their behaviour and how dating and seduction actually works.

There’s no “hatred”, so to speak. You’re clearly a woman and don’t know much about this. I’m also guessing you don’t know or have met any rp’d guys in real life. I do, and they’re just fine.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

TRP doesn’t encourage hating on women and it’s a lot of locker room talk that’s not meant for you to decipher but for men to. It’s a different language and code

[–]coffeeaddict2300Red Pill Woman 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well I’m very glad I got to read the locker room talk, it’s turned me into a much smarter lady 😉

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Mmmmm that’s what I like to hear. Why don’t you show me how much smarter you’ve gotten sometime come holla at me

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s misogyny. Just like FDS is full of misandry. There’s women on FDS that legitimately advocate for male-sex selective abortion because “men have been committing femicide for centuries” and “women shouldn’t birth their oppressors.” Would you believe it if I said, “Oh that’s just ladies locker room talk! Don’t take it at face value. They don’t REALLY hate men! You just have to be female to understand the nuances!” 🙄

Yes, it is true, they may not actually hate all men. That doesn’t make that garbage rhetoric not misandry? Just like the locker room rage stage TRP talk is hot misogynistic garbage.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece -1 points0 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

That’s not what TRP wants men to select for long term. TRP is about navigating the sexual market place not attracting toxic women or whatever. Still don’t stick your dick in crazy and become a HVM to attract a HVW

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 4 points5 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Most of TRP isn’t preaching about long term. And much of RPW weeds out men that do any of TRP tactics for short term gratification, even if the same men eventually want commitment from HVM. If a man was following TRP with the goal of commitment from the get-go, he probs wouldn’t be a man RPW would rule out.

I agree with the general idea both RPW and TRP have (as well as FDS) about becoming HV to get HV. The difference is that RPW (and FDS) mainly seek commitment as their main (or only) goal. There’s no “common phase” where they seek a ton of sex or use any manipulative tactics to get as many partners as possible — something that RPW (and most FDSers) avoid in men they date.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

But that’s just the risk of dating in general. Every man you want wouldn’t want you. Oh well welcome to the real world. RPW have to navigate the same things men do.

But an RP will gladly wife up a woman that meets his expectations. Just have to meet those expectations and prove your worth

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

What… what are you talking about? “Every man you want wouldn’t want you”? That doesn’t resonate with me, like… at all. I have never been rejected in my life. I’ve never even worried about being rejected.

Are you just speaking generally? Like, men have high standards that women can’t meet?

Because isn’t the loud and vocal opinion on PPD and TRP that women have way too high of standards and this is why there’s so many lonely sexless men?

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ll speaking in general. Not at you. Sometimes you can meet a man you’d like but then he doesn’t like you like that. Doesn’t TRP is fundamentally flawed

Women’s standards are higher than they would admit. That’s the truth. Whatever they say the “baseline” is, it’s likely higher than that.

[–]Ducks_Are_WatchingNo Pill, I'm on rehab 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

What… what are you talking about? “Every man you want wouldn’t want you”? That doesn’t resonate with me, like… at all. I have never been rejected in my life. I’ve never even worried about being rejected.

Lol sure you haven't

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman -1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Sorry, does that bother you? Men have never told me no. 😊

[–]Ducks_Are_WatchingNo Pill, I'm on rehab 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I may be remembering wrong, but didn't you use to date casually? If so, yeah you're full of shit. No one is hot enough for everyone to be into them.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’ve had a lot of casual sex mostly with men and some with women, lots of FWB mainly men but more women than the causal sex, 4 male partners, 2 female partners. I have never been rejected. I’m not saying I’m sooo hot that no one would ever reject me, but… hasn’t happened to date. 🤷🏽‍♀️

I’m also not shooting my shot if there’s no vibe between us, which is why I think so many men get rejected so often. Sure, men would be rejected more anyway, but like, you’re not likely to be rejected if there’s obvious mutual chemistry. Many men seem to overlook this critical step of feeling out if there’s obvious mutual chemistry for some reason??

[–]James_Cruse -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How are they selecting for it? Where does this idea come from and where is the proof of it?

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because the women that these types of manipulative techniques work on are already women who are more insecure, more likely to be manipulated, more likely to have casual sex, etc. So the women that fit that category are also more likely to: have low impulse control, have high n-count, have low self-esteem, etc. which are all things that essentially end up fulfilling the negative side of AWALT that RP men hate about women.

Like, yes dude, if you’re seeking out women for casual sex, they’re going to be high n-count. If you’re seeking out women who will sleep with you asap because you negged her, she’s gonna have low self-esteem, she’s gonna be more likely to cheat, she’s gonna be more likely to monkey-branch, etc.

The women that have high self-control, high self-esteem, high respect for their male partners, low n-count, high values/morals, etc. are not seeking out men that knowingly embody TRP and employ those techniques. So by engaging in a lot of the strategies encouraged by TRP community, TRP men are ruling themselves out of the dating pool of the higher quality women. So then these men think, “See! AWALT! There’s no good women left!” etc. when really, the ‘good women’ are avoiding them specifically.

(Obviously not EVERY single TRP man or every single woman who has casual sex or every single RPW fits exactly into this, but by and large, this is what’s happening.)

[–]tritter211Pragmatic 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

RPM responds to the real world dynamics.

RPW tries to recreate the past in a different present society that actively discourages family units to blossom naturally. In other words, RPW is just another iteration of conservatism but without all the baggage that religion brings into their life.

Even if you are RPW, you live in a world (legal primarily) that disproportionately favors them over men.

For most RP men, this means you are RPW... until you aren't. This puts 100% of the liability at men.

[–]coffeeaddict2300Red Pill Woman 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

RPW actually actively recognizes the struggles of men and the red-pill “truths”. Besides, women have their own struggles too, it’s not like we’re living life on easy mode. If we were a bit more understanding of each other’s problems, relationships would be more successful. RP men are always scared of gold diggers or losing money to divorce and I’m sure there are women out there who want men for their money. Those women usually tend to live a luxurious lifestyle with high expectations financially. Although TRP preaches to stay clear of toxic women, the women they are selecting as mates tend to fall into this category. They’re not going for the sweet, modest girl at the library, they’re going for the IG model at the club.

Also I wouldn’t say RPW is all about conservatism. There are some ladies on there who are more progressive than others. We don’t all wanna be a 1950s housewife, although there’s nothing wrong with wanting to be a SAHM.

[–]wetwhyofcourse 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You sound paranoid and emotional. Did the definition of pragmatic change?

[–]gofigure62No Pill 24 points25 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

It seems like they do. The red pill woman sub seems to date and marry men that are red pill. And those relationships also seem highly dysfunction, miserable, and abusive. They delete the threads where women discuss financial and physical abuse regularly though.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 16 points17 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

RPW specifically state they do not want TRP men. It’s literally in their main sidebar info. And repeated often in the sub. There’s a whole thing about how RPW goals are much different from TRP goals, they just work off the same (speculative) evolutionary science ideas. RPMen want to maximize sex, RPWomen want to maximize commitment.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Wow. How ridiculous lol

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

What about it? The philosophy? (I agree. Evolutionary science is speculative at best.) But I mean, it makes perfect sense to me that if you believe the underlying framework, you can take it in any direction. Most of RP men take it in the least charitable way possible (use it to mistrust all women, after all, AWALT.) and then use manipulation to essentially self-fulfill the prophecy since they’re selecting for insecure and often high n-count women with these tactics. But most of RP women use the same framework in the most charitable way, like believing “men have a natural drive to provide, so I should let him fulfill that and support him in his career.” etc. (Kind of a bad example but I hope you get the point.)

[–]gofigure62No Pill 8 points9 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I find it ridiculous that despite having the same sexist beliefs, they are fundamentally incompatible. It's so absurd that it's funny.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ah. Gotcha. I don’t really think it’s absurd?

If you believe men and women are fundamentally different sexually, and they have fundamentally different sexual strategies, and that men’s biological imperative is to spread his seed, and women’s biological imperative is to lock down the highest value mate to make the highest value children and secure resources for those children … then those strategies aren’t compatible.

A man spreading his seed is not best for the women’s strategy (as a single woman/children would hold him back from spreading his seed far and wide.) A woman selecting the best mate and most resources isn’t best for the men’s strategy (as only the best men will get chosen.)

I think where RPW works but TRP doesn’t is that RPW acknowledge men also desire and benefit from monogamy and setting their kids up for success. TRP basically says “AWALT so I won’t trust any woman, I’ll use them for sex instead, only an idiot would marry in 2023.” etc. But… in my experience, plenty of men, high value or not, want relationships, love, acceptance, children, even marriage, etc… so TRP strategy sounds great if you’re a slave to your cock and don’t want a family. Not so great if you’re a normal human (like most ppl) who wants those things someday. And TRP men attract women that end up fulfilling those stereotypes literally because they’re using manipulative tactics that wouldn’t work on more secure, stable women.

But this same issue comes up with blue pill logic too. Some BPs will use BP ideas to maximize sexual success, some will use it to maximize commitment. Diff ppl want diff things. I guess theoretically if a RPW was seeking lots of sex, she could use red pill framework to do so? But women don’t need to do anything to get laid bc men are so horny.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

It's difficult to say when most redpillers also largely intermix their views with religious heterosexual norms in their rhetoric.

the RPW page is filled with women asking how to be lead and how to follow their man. I'd assume that irrespective of sexual strategies if the underlying assumption is that women are supposed to be submissive to men, that it wouldn't matter what his sexual strategy was if he's engaging in the role of a provider and protector.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of BPers who are in traditional marriages. I think the (common) misunderstanding that even a lot of the posters on RPW have is that RPW = trad. Trad def fits into RPW but RPW isn’t inherently traditional.

Edit: This thread has some of that type of discussion.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's not what I meant. People naturally falling into a stereotypical dynamic relationship because it works for them specifically is different then believing that all men and women are inherently built for that particular relationship dynamic.

My point was that many red pill women believe in submission and letting their men lead them. Logically if a man led them into a relationship where he's engaging in infidelity, they would follow his judgement and leadership if he provided the resources and personal safety they claim that men provide. If this is their belief system, they shouldn't care about male fidelity in these relationships if the man has enough resources and the ability to maintain the family.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mm gotcha. To be clear I’m a lurker, not really a believer. I have seen posts about this idea, something like “My man is HV so shouldn’t he sleep around?” and it’s largely met with a resounding, “No, and HV doesn’t = high quality.” There’s a loooot of trad and christian posters on RPW though, which skews it a bit. Reading the actual RPW wiki info is a different picture than a lot of the posts. It doesn’t seem to be “blindly follow your man” but “respect your man as the captain.”

For example, in RPwives (I think) there was a woman talking about how her husband wanted to let his pedophile sex offender brother who was just released from prison after some-10 yrs for raping an 8 y/o girl around their young daughters. She was asking, “How do I trust my husband when I’m worried about my daughters’ safety?” and only 1 comment out of dozens and dozens said to follow him. The rest were as you’d expect on any other forum — “Keep your kids safe. He isn’t being a good leader, husband, or dad. Leave him.” etc.

[–]Boxisteph 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men's biological goals are completely at odds with women's goals. Males will spread their sperm everywhere and anywhere they can without thinking or caring about life that's come from that. Females mature q small nner of eggs a year, risk their health to gestate a baby and their life to birth it They also then have a change in neurochemistry to emotionally bind them to the baby so they will work for its well being.

Either men and women meet in the middle or nowhere at all and the RP tes are full on strategy for their sex

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I find this idea that men WANT this lifestyle of “spreading their seed” to be so interesting because the vast majority of men I’ve known, while they may have enjoyed casual sex or theoretically would love sleeping around (esp while young), also very much have the end goal of commitment and children. And they’re very much invested in their children succeeding, which means investing in them and only them. Not spreading their seed far and wide. Like, most men still seek marriage even if they may want it (on avg) later than most women. I mean, there’s a reason Nick Cannon is a meme for most men and not really held up as a role model for fatherhood…

[–]howdoiw0rkthisthingsugar-pilled 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The have to be redpill with one very important caveat: the have to be open to marriage and monogamous commitment. Any man who’s active in the manosphere and not just “naturally redpilled” has been told to avoid marriage.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They rate two; red pill wives and red pill women. One they regularly discuss how they’d never date or marry red pill men; and would be wary if their partner knew what the red pill was.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill women are best suited for Blue Pill men.

[–]saraimarsenapurple pill queen 💕 14 points15 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t say TRP is about making women suffer for their past misdeeds, but it is highly focused to a man and his own selfish goals.

Additionally, TRP discourages marriage and highlights the male goal of casual sex, whereas RPW is focused on maintaining a quality LTR. that alone makes TRP men often incompatible with RPW. along with that, RPW has focus on maintaining your partner’s happiness as a first mate, where TRP doesn’t seem to have that angle.

I’d argue that a RPW is most suited for a BP man. At least in my experience as someone who agrees with a lot of RPW points, a lot of RP behavior in a man would be a huge turn off to me.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

it is highly focused to a man and his own selfish goals.

which makes it incompatible with loving women.

[–]THHBHStT 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

He has to be a man who women love before he can love women

Don’t want to be a simp

[–]localmicrodosechamp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes this is exactly what men are like

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

This makes no sense. RPW are exactly the kind of women that RPM want. They are shooting themselves in the foot and being angry at women for making them do it.

[–]saraimarsenapurple pill queen 💕 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I would definitely agree that a RPW is often what a TRP man wants, especially considering the RPW concept of keeping your n count low.

Unfortunately, many TRP concepts come off demeaning to women, as RPW even acknowledges.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So they created a dating ideology that makes them worse partners, while encouraging women to be better more healthy partners?

[–]saraimarsenapurple pill queen 💕 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

they created an ideology that makes them selfish partners. I’d argue that many of their behaviors are only attractive and acceptable to insecure women.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes and they marry those insecure women who then become bitter and angry and seek divorce.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is a self fulfilling prophecy for men. I actually don’t mind the RPW sub. Some of it is a bit too trad for my tastes but the non-trad RPW stuff is decent. Lots about communication, managing yourself, you can only control you and not anyone else, etc. No manipulation or gross misandry, unlike TRP which is all about manipulation and misogyny

[–]revente 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No. RPM want hot women.

Hot women don’t need to study some dumb subreddit to be hot.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

But they aren’t getting hot women. That’s why they are red pill.

[–]revente 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Many trp users who focused on self-development instead of autistic hate are getting hot women.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But then then I’d say they aren’t very red pill. They don’t do the negging and jerk attitude because they don’t need to pretend to just endure women in order to get them.

[–]revente 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Did anyone recommend you negging since 2009?

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

While the term negging has fallen out, it’s still definitely done.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A little bit of teasing can be fun. negging doesn’t have to be straight up rude

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

RPM usually have the goal of sex. RPW have the goal of commitment. That makes them incompatible as partners by default. But I do agree RPM who want commitment would do well to find a RPW. There is MarriedRedPill (which is for men) but typically the posters there are married and then become redpilled. So it functions differently than RPW does.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

RPW are exactly the kind of women that RPM want

Absolutely not, RPM who want marriage want low n count traditional women. Most RPW are not low n count, they are formerly promiscuous women who are looking to play the role of being traditional to secure long term relationships.

[–]dogsmokingcream puff pilled 12 points13 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I'm more of a black pilled woman and wouldn't date a RPM because they are generally stuck in a 1950's cope fantasy. Most are obsessed with purity and homesteading and lifting weights because they have this pathological inability to adapt and benefit from the current times. They want to regress. Or else create their own insular bubble (kingdom lmao) where women are acquired like possessions, and treated as such.

No thank you. I didn't evolve for two million years to scrub skids out of some guys boxers while he LARP's as a sigma male or whatever.

[–]Teflon08191 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'm more of a black pilled woman and wouldn't date a RPM because they are generally stuck in a 1950's cope fantasy.

Er... I think you're thinking of tradcons. Ain't no TRP man that would want to live in the 1950s where marriage was largely a prerequisite to sex and apps like Tinder didn't exist yet.

[–]dogsmokingcream puff pilled 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I find there's a lot of overlap between tradcons and general RP ideology but yeah, more of a traditionalist mindset then a squarely RP one

[–]Teflon08191 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Entirely a traditionalist mindset. RP men very much "got with the times", just not in the way women might have hoped.

[–]dogsmokingcream puff pilled 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

They haven't. Some have given over to a more quasi-black pill mindset where they accept modern gender dynamics but a great deal of RP ideologies do in fact endorse traditionalism as a means to control women.

[–]Teflon08191 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems like RP is suffering from "definition creep" then, because as far as I'm concerned it's only ever been a playbook to facilitate men's optimal sexual strategies (non-committal sex with numerous women) which is pretty antithetical to anything we'd call "traditional".

[–]THHBHStT 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How much RP content have you seen?

Hint: the vast of it is not about controlling women, maybe understanding their emotions, but not literally controlling their day to day

[–]dogsmokingcream puff pilled 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been reading red pill content for the better part of ten years my guy. It's evolved, for sure. And I'd even say there's internal conflict within the community between the trad cons and the spinning plate guys.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I know there was more to your post then this, but what RPM are lifting weights? I know gymcels are stating to be a thing, but those guys just prove that a chiseled body doesn’t help bad hygiene and beyond poor social skills.

I more value personal happiness. People should be with people that make them happy. If that’s larping as a 1950s housewife they has bubblegum brains then I’m all for it: as long as you’re doing it to be happy.

The growth of hypergamy in a certain community I think is a great example of this. Women saying I want this kind of life, in exchange I’ll be this kind of woman. That’s all well and good: but sometimes having a kept life means being kept at someone else’s whim. He cheats and you haven’t worked in ten years, what are you actually going to do?

What’s important is finding a partner that actually likes you for you.

[–]dogsmokingcream puff pilled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen a lot of RP identifying guys try push the narrative that lifting weights is a right wing/red pill thing but honestly it's another cope because (in America at least) there's a correlation with living in a red state and being obese and in overall abysmal health lmao.

And yes I agree that RPM think lifting weights is an adequate distraction for having the social awareness of a brick or zero grooming skills, and will in fact usually shit on guys who like dressing up for being "beta".

My main point of annoyance is essentially the misplaced nostalgia for an era that's well and truly gone. It's one thing to be a traditional couple or a traditional family unit but thinking that society peaked during the era where women couldn't even have a bank account is just, ugh. Dumb.

And yes in an ideal life everyone would meet and fall into a healthy bond with someone who wouldn't change them for the world.

[–]Safinated 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Red pill women want a top tier man. Doesn’t matter if he’s red pilled

[–]Sea_Regular_35201 points [recovered] (28 children) | Copy Link

Well personally, when I was blue pulled women found me repulsive. I’m redpilled now and I have them coming TO me. I don’t even have to try now. And no, we do not want to see them miserable, we just don’t think it’s our fault if that ends up being an involuntary side effect of our goals, they can leave or get over it. It’s not like women have empathy for men in any regard, and as long as we aren’t intentionally hurting them it shouldn’t matter anyway.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 6 points7 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

But if you’re using women for sex knowing you don’t want more that’s intentionally hurting them.

[–]Sea_Regular_35201 points [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link

No it isn’t, I’m not using them. If I’m paying for literally everything you want and need, AND it’s my responsibility to potentially die in the event I need to protect you, I expect either housework or affection in return. If they agree to those terms for a partnership and don’t like it, then it’s their own fault. Plus, I’m not stopping them from leaving nor am I forcing them into anything. There’s nothing immoral about my lifestyle.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 5 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Are you in the military? Are you dating these women? Why would a woman do regular housework for a man she’s not living with?

[–]Sea_Regular_35201 points [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

I’m in a poly relationship with 3 women and they live with me. I want 5 cause that’s the most I can handle financially

[–]nunchuckbitch27 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How the hell is a ploy relationship conservative?

[–]Sea_Regular_35201 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Not all redpill people are conservative. Tate and sneako, the biggest redpill names, are both poly. I’m actually a centrist politically.

[–]nunchuckbitch27 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That’s exactly what I thought this is not a conservative movement and conservatives need to divorce themselves from this

[–]THHBHStT 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

TRP is amoral and isn’t a movement. It’s not a conservative thing and all red pillers aren’t conservatives

[–]nunchuckbitch27 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then why is it associated with conservatives?

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you’re in a relationship, you’re giving them commitment. If they are all poly then you’re giving them what they want. You made it sound like you weren’t committing to any women and just having sex.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Holy crap

Nice

[–]Sea_Regular_35201 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s not that good, I wouldn’t recommend this lifestyle to anyone that’s healthy, but if your brain is irreversibly destroyed beyond what therapy can fix, then go for it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What’s bad about it? I often find myself wishing for a sister wife

[–]Sea_Regular_35201 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s only good for people that don’t want to form emotional connections or those incapable of it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Huh. Interesting

[–]Teflon08191 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not unless you make a whole bunch of other assumptions first.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How? If you’re using them for sex and they feel used it implies they did not want just sex. And I stipulated that you know they want more.

[–]Teflon08191 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How? If you’re using them for sex and they feel used

Right there. You just added an assumption.

And I stipulated that you know they want more.

Not anywhere in the comment I was replying to you didn't.

And even if we do include the assumption that she feels used, the way she feels about it isn't what determines if a man is intentionally hurting her. Would you say a woman is intentionally hurting a man by allowing him to pay for dinner knowing that she doesn't intend to have sex with him later, even if she knows he's hoping she will? Even if he'll feel used when she doesn't?

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think a woman would be intentionally hurting a man if she kept going out with him in order to get free stuff. But if she went on her one date and gave it a try, and she’s honest no.

I don’t think buying food for someone automatically means you have to have sex with them.

I do think that a man going out with a woman multiple times, making her think he wants and is open to more, when he knows she wouldn’t date him otherwise is intentionally hurting her.

[–]saraimarsenapurple pill queen 💕 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’m red pilled now and I have them coming TO me

do you date RPW?

[–]Sea_Regular_35201 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Mostly BPW, it’s very rare that I find a RPW who isn’t just a closeted “pick me”

[–]saraimarsenapurple pill queen 💕 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

if you’re mostly dating BPW, isn’t that proving at least part of OP’s point? That RPW wouldn’t be dating TRP men?

[–]Sea_Regular_35201 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

No. RPW are rare. I’ve had many real RPW attracted to me, it just wasn’t mutual.

[–]princessdanielle22 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What was unattractive about them?

[–]LeanderGrant 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So, I believe both the man and the woman should use red pill concepts to achieve the blue pill goal of maximizing your partner's happiness.

In other words, both the man and the woman would use negging, both would act a little selfish, and both would only apologize on occasion. That encourages both partners to play the same game, and as long as neither takes it too far, their long-term relationship can thrive.

It keeps both interested, provides mutual accountability, and gives both a reason to prove their worth by investing in their partner's happiness. The perfect approach to relationships.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I a woman uses negging she will be called a bitch right to her face most of the time .

[–]LeanderGrant 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly right, and a man using negging will be called an asshole.

Calling someone names doesn't change the fact that we find them attractive. In fact, they usually go together.

When they are talented they can bypass our defenses and get to our self-worth. What they say hurts us slightly, and makes us want to prove them wrong. The effort of trying to prove them wrong is an emotional investment. The more you invest the more you care about them. A sneaky trick, but it takes place to some degree in all healthy relationships.

[–]DebateRoyal4525 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've been negged by both women and even gay dudes.

I didn't yell at them, but I didn't really like it either.

[–]revente 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Redpill men don’t wan’t redpill women either.

Maybe tradcons do.

[–]nunchuckbitch27 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t call myself a red pill women especially after seeing what this movement is this last month but I am a conservative especially when it comes to how I view relationships I believe in marriage and monogamy but if I were single right now and thankfully I am not I would never date a red pill man I don’t find this ideology to be conservative at all it’s just a cesspool of misogyny and frankly it’s insulting to women and conservatives

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I really feel like if you’re gonna mention a sub here you should be required to read their basic info. RPW and TRP are very different. FDS is much more akin to TRP than RPW in terms of strategy/purpose (although FDS still seeks commitment, it does so selfishly and while bashing men.) And honestly I’d liken make blue pill dating “philosophy” more to RPW goals, but TBP isn’t a “real thing” so that’s not really true. Tbh I don’t know of a RPW equivalent for men.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes, I’m familiar with the subs. It doesn’t seem like you are? RPWoman sub is pretty vocal about NOT seeking out RPM because their goals are fundamentally incompatible.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

See I think if anything red pilled women would be FDS women. But there is a fundamental difference in the way FDS and RPW talk about their relationships and interactions with men.

RPW are way more compatible with what RPM find ideal. They are okay with being a little more submissive, cooperative and all that. While also keeping themselves up and looking a certain standard.

There is definitely some overlap in RPW and RPM that would make them compatible, whereas FDS is just the female version of RPM in a more literal sense.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, I wasn’t saying TRP men should seek out FDSers. In fact, a woman following FDS fully wouldn’t be a good target for a TRP man. I just think that what TRP does for men (demonizes women, encourages self-centeredness, encourages self-improvement and looksmaxxing, says AWALT so no point in dating, keep a rotating of women (plates) for sex) is similar to what FDS does for women (demonizes men, encourages self-centeredness, encourages self-improvement and looksmaxxing, says AMALT so don’t bother with any remotely LV man, only commit to the HV man possible, keep a rotation of men for sex/etc. if desired)

I agree TRP men are mainly describing RPW as their ideal relationship partner, but because they take red pill ideas in the least charitable way, they often aren’t seeking a relationship and are mostly attracting the opposite type of woman from RPW, and that behavior also rules TRP men out as RPW’s ideal man. So TRP men who want commitment may see RPW as their ideal woman but RPW largely pass over TRP men.

RPW seem to ideally seek blue (purple?) pilled men who are kind of naturally red pilled, in the good ways (provider, masculine, alpha leadership qualities, etc), without being red pilled in the bad ways (believes AWALT, has plates, etc.) Because a really redpilled man mainly won’t be seeking commitment.

Honestly FDS and RPW seem like they’re kind of going after the same men? Although there’s a lot trad/religious women in RPW… but the actual RPW philosophy is just a different tactic than FDS to attract these same HVM.

But FDS preaches female-focused and male-hating stuff to almost con the HVM into dating them, whereas RPW is female-focused while being intentionally respectful of males to charm (?) love (?) idk (?) the HVM into dating them. So same goals, different strategy.

[–]Teflon08191 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tbh I don’t know of a RPW equivalent for men.

r/marriedredpill is probably the closest thing.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ehh kinda, but MRP is mostly men who got married and then got redpilled usually because they’re unhappy in their marriage. RPWomen is both single and married women who are redpilled on purpose because they use those strategies positively in their goal for marriage/in their marriage. I do see some of that in MRP but it’s a lot more bitter married men mad they didn’t discover TRP pre-marriage but mostly unwilling to get divorced (usually because they have kids.)

[–]AreOut 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

not all redpillers have the same goals, there are monogamous redpillers, TRP is just the tool to achieve what you want, it doesn't tell you what should your goal be but how to achieve it

[–]LadyofTheGreyPathAngel Mind On Demon Time 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

there are monogamous redpillers,

Please tell me they're unironically called unicorns?

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes we are unicorns come holla at me

[–]LadyofTheGreyPathAngel Mind On Demon Time 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

How many red flags do you have?

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Meh I have a couple of yellow flags maybe but that’s it hbu what you got for me

[–]LadyofTheGreyPathAngel Mind On Demon Time 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ok what are the yellow flags then

Red Flags:

-I love inverterbrates

-I love the sorts of dogs people hate (four breeds of small yappy dog and pretty much every bully breed)

-I'm not a Christian

-I prefer being around animals to being around people

-I have a low tolerance for assholes in person so I keep my interactions with them limited to PurplePillDebate

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I got a daughter and I love sex idk I have a very high libido

[–]LadyofTheGreyPathAngel Mind On Demon Time 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh, you're the Red Pill guy with the kid I've replied to a few times, I keep forgetting we've had a similar correspondence twice because I don't bother remembering the names of most people here.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Those aren’t red flags to me though especially low tolerance for assholes since I’m a sweetheart

Edit

I am a bit of a flirt though but once I’m focused on one person I can go all in

I am a bit fickle sometimes if I feel like whoever I’m interested in isn’t engaged with me

I love too much I love to touch and stuff like that idk but I can give space too when needed

[–]LadyofTheGreyPathAngel Mind On Demon Time 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And the red flags that you have are?

[–]AstronautLoveShackSuccubus Demon whose every motive is pure evil -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nobody would ever date a red pilled men. They tend not to like women.

[–]Richwhiteman69420 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women will be women. Red pilled man doesn’t mean he’s making $10,000 a month. Red pilled women doesn’t all of sudden mean she’s attracted to average earning men.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Girl what?

[–]SillyMushroomTipbasedRedPill'r -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

red pill women dont exist nice try lmao

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes they do.

[–]SillyMushroomTipbasedRedPill'r 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They really dont though OP

[–]Da_Famous_Anus -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There’s a whole sub committed to this very topic called r/redpillwomen and their entire thesis is about dating red pilled men. Debunked.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But if you read a lot of they thread those ladies are not dating red pill men.

[–]Da_Famous_Anus -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have red a lot and what you’re saying is not true the vast majority of the time.

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[–]LaloTwinsCAESARPilled 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The only people who would try to change your mind on this are people unfamiliar with both subs

(So most PPD women) like u/FineDevelopment00

RPW actively says that a fully RP man is a terrible choice for her dating and marriage goals

TRP agrees

[–]FineDevelopment00👻The PPD ghost, making ice cubes🧊 in Hell😈🔥 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OP is correct; those from TRP women's sub do say they don't want those from TRP men's sub. And those from TRP men's sub are largely against marriage.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I’m so confused how that can even be possible. How can one ideology look so different to two people that are in it? I

[–]LaloTwinsCAESARPilled 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because what TRP advises men and women are different

TRP says that mens and womens optimal mating strategies are inherently at conflict

For women it’s to settle down with the best man she can both genetically and from a security stand point and mate with him, have him provide for her and her offspring

For men it’s to spread his seed and impregnate as many women as possible spending as little time as possible actually raising said kids

The advice given towards women and men would be different given that they have conflicting mating strategies

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So basically it means that men and women are incompatible.

[–]LaloTwinsCAESARPilled 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men’s ideal world and women’s ideal world are incompatible sure

[–]Teflon08191 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because men and women's optimal mating strategies are antagonistic to one another.

*Oops, looks like someone already covered that.

[–]lovelythecovePurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They just use the same framework. They just use it for different goals. It’s like asking how one can use money for drugs or charity. The money is the framework. Different people use it for different things. Men tend to use it to maximize sexual success. Women tend to use it to maximize commitment success.

[–]CimZim38F 15 years as FWB 🏆 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure if you'll find anyone who seriously disagrees with this

[–]BruddaMSKMale virgin, late 20s 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In all honesty, red pill is a male centric ideology, women have little to do with it anyways. They'd better invent something of their own.

[–]PlainTundra -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being RP doesn't mean you have to follow any rule, it just mean you are aware of how sexual dynamics work.

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My GF is a feminist, does that count for your question OP?

[–]nonameboredman 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Red pill women seem to want to go out of their way to make their relationships work

Who gave you that idea? As far as I can see red pill women just wanna let the man do all the heavy lifting while they only "bake them cookies" or "give them words of affirmation".

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So don’t date a woman that wants a traditional relationship. There are plenty of women that want to go 50/50 and be equal, hell, a friend of mine has an entire househusband and they are one to the happiest couples I know.

[–]nonameboredman 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I do date women with traditional values but a traditional relationship isn't letting the man take down mountains while the woman comfortably sits at home doing nothing but baking cookies. A strong home takes two strong people to build. Baking cookies and words of affirmation don't equal proper companionship.

The problem with RPW is, while they got part of the equation right that feminism is cancer, they decided to go all the way to the other end of the spectrum and ended up being nothing but the opposite end of the same messed up idea. Between feminism and RPW, it's like choosing crazy or crazy.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So do you think caring for children, being a good partner and making sure your provider is comfortable doing nothing?

[–]nonameboredman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course as a woman caring for your kids and your husband is a fantastic thing. But in my opinion what RPW isn't doing quite right is the definition of this "provider". Their understanding of "provider" practically makes them much like those NEETs the internet had a decade or two ago.

First, "providing" has nothing to do with working and bringing home money. Only the man or only the woman could be working and earning money but still, what RPW doesn't understand is there always needs to be two providers, not one. When done properly, you see that by all the things the woman (or the man if he's not the one earning money) is doing, she's "providing" just as much as the man, if not more.

Caring for the kids, like you said, but I mean proper care. That even includes counting the hours the kids sleep, the meals they eat, how they do in school, what they learn, how they behave, it's way harder than it looks. This is actually why society ends up getting a lot of jerks nowadays because moms who think they're doing a good job are actually not.

Caring for their husband, which takes way more than baking cookies and telling him he's the greatest man alive. It is to keep motivating him to get better at what he does, to stay with him and keep the house together when he's laid off and is looking for a job, to steer the family with him through hardships when the ends are tough to make meet, the list goes on.

I've seen a girl ask on the RPW subreddit something along the lines of "I'm dating a man who already cooks cleans and makes good money so I don't know what I can do for him, help me". If you're ever in this position as a woman, then you really start to see how hollow this hole RPW thing is (just like feminism since they are the two ends of the same crazy spectrum). I've never seen a single RPW discussion addressing these more serious issues.

[–]pungentcrystal 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you, I feel like I needed this post to affirm my thoughts that not all red pill man are relationship/marriage material and that red pill =/= conservative

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their goals in dating and marriage are asymmetrical so they could never be in a happy union.

Red Pill women tend to be formerly promiscuous women who are now looking for advice on how to secure high value men in relationships and marriages.

Red Pill men tend to be average or below average men who are looking to improve their value in the dating world so they can have the type of dating and sex life they desire without commitment.

[–]despisedlove2Reality Pill Tradcon RP 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

RP men come in three varieties.

RP PUA - the ones whom you and many others lazily call RP.

RP Tradcon - the one's RPW are actually looking for.

RP MGTOW - not someone a woman would waste her time on.

[–]James_Cruse 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

This is a hilarious assumption of men and their behaviour:

“Red pill men seem to want to make women suffer for their past misdeeds” - what? Says who? Never heard of it.

This sounds like something a woman would say when she’s projecting about her own behaviour about her new boyfriend having to pick up the pieces and suffer bad behaviour from her due to being “mistreated” by her past boyfriends.

”Their entire motivation seems to be selfish and making women feel less valuable in general, even women they like” Just LOL. Where is anyone saying or expressing this sentiment anywhere?

”Shit-testing” is not an abusive bahaviour. Women just want to quickly find out if you can handle negativity or if you’ll fold. They want to know if you’re not fake. The problem is, some women aren’t subtle with it, so it comes across like a big sledgehammer and makes them sometimes seem mean-spirited. Just because a woman is better socialised than men, doesn’t mean they’re skilled with dating and knowing what to say.

”Only date young, naïve, ineexperienced dependant women” - who in redpill or in the seduction community recommends that? Is that a common recommendation? Men want young, fertile, attractive women - not the rest.

Negging? Brother, Mystery called from 2005 and he wants his shitty pickup material back. Literally no-one recommends negging ever.

”Acting smug about her worries ans being dismissive” - again, who said this or has ever said it? It’s bizarre and I’ve never heard it before.

How in the world are red pilled men ”CREATING” angry, bitter and paranoid women?

Where is the connection between red pill men and women being angry & bitter in normal general life outside the internet? Can you prove this connection because it makes no sense.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are lots of red pill men that subscribe to the being a jerk mindset, read the thread, not many people were pushing back against those points. And shit-testing can definitely be abusive: if you are just making drama because you want attention, that’s not good.

and while the term negging has fallen out, it’s most certainly still being used.

The red pill men that use those behaviors generally bring them into the few relationships they get and cause the bitterness to grow.

Please read many a thread here where men say they got women by acting like jerks, they got women by acting like they didn’t care and that women love men that act like they don’t want them .

[–]James_Cruse 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don’t care how much opposition there is - being a jerk is not done much in real life.

Making drama =/= Shit testing. Mate, I don’t think you know anything about seduction or ehat they recommend. No-one recommends insulting or negging women - under any name. It is not used and hasn’t been promoted or used in 15+ years.

Being a jerk =/= Acting like they don’t care.

Acting like you don’t care is whatever - not the best thing to do but so what. Who cares? It doesn’t hurt anyone and maybe people not acting like crazy in love over girls they like is much better - because that’s also acting.

This is all very hyperbolic and not done much in the real world. I don’t beleive you’ve ever seen people in real life do anything written here - this just sounds like made-up nonsense you made assumptions about because you read it on the internet.

[–]anonymous-platypus1[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I haven’t really come across red pill men at all in real life honestly. Outside of men parroting the manosphere. But I still think that red pill men often take on toxic trait in order to be seen as more desirable.

[–]James_Cruse 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok, so why say that they behave in a certain way when you’ve never met anyone who’s redpill in real life?

I have met them and they are all great lads, no issues. I haven’t met ALL of them, no-one has, but the ones I have met have been great.

[–]angypanda123 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think most red pill women are delusional. What they want is traditional values and mistake red pill for that. True red pill women are women that are masochistic and enjoy being devalued and demeaned in a relationship.

[–]Shoddy-Donut-9339 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is my nature to put women on pedestals and I don’t think there is is anything wrong with that. I can have her on a pedestal and still not let her walk all over me.

[–]West-Ad-9697Red Pill Man 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know where you're getting the definitions of RPM and especially RPW - but go to married RP reddit - the only remaining red pill resource around here.

They don't match either definition. RPW aern't the communication experts you idealize as, and the men aren't entering relationships to punish women WTF... or that not being a wimp is somehow hurting with intention your partner. That's just wow... some layers of sociopathy there.

Let me tackle the worst and most indefensible one: flirting with other women. For me, it's a game, I date very secure women. Women that understand a man likes to play with his sexual appeal and the desires of women. Once they understand it's not meant as a fuck you towards her o a test, it's just fun time all around. Women love it. There are few things that make a woman more attracted to you and more confident in your commitment you have towards her than seeing a man that can get it, but can take it or leave it. While at the same time choses her proactively to spend the night.

It's literally the dark protagonist in every female targeted romance novel ever. Is it toxic, sure. But that's where most women want their ideal man. A man that even when has his dick in some young puss, he looks at his woman and kisses her like she's the only woman in the world for him. Because that's what counts, knowing he's going to be there, right beside her, with her, even if she breaks her pussy or gets old.

While we do encourage men to do it, for the dread effect - you will see that's not the number one advice in those threads. The number one advice in those threads are: LEAVE - you lost her. Dread is only really promoted when leaving is not a option for the man. Definitely not an option if your girl is behaving and treating you right - i.e is already a red pill wifey.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So, I used to identify as an RPW (I think I’m now more PP), and I think many principles of TRP/RPWives/MRP really helped improve my marriage. I very much enjoy a traditional dynamic (a male-led relationship with a provider and family-oriented man I can trust.) I actually showed my husband TRP when he noticed a change in me, and then I noticed some positive changes in him.

For one, he then felt comfortable calling me out on my bullshit, because he knew I was receptive to acknowledging flaws. In his previous marriage, he was spoken over, taken advantage of, denied sex, and pretty much treated like a sentient ATM, so I think learning about how to not take shit from women and having the opportunity to lead in our marriage helped him to stand up for himself better (especially when dealing with his ex wife, with whom he has to coparent.) He used to shut down in disagreements, give me my way, and then be extremely unhappy about it (which absolutely did not make me happy), but now we can communicate and resolve conflicts more effectively.

Other things I like about him that are RP-aligned:

-He continually works on himself, his goals, his hobbies, and his body

-he sets the example for what kind of driven, self-respecting men I hope our daughter will eventually date

-He practices minor forms of dread, which multiplies my attraction for him, and motivates me to stay attractive for him

-He can indulge my misogyny kink

-I think he genuinely knows and likes himself better now, and the confidence is very attractive.

Anyway, TRP isn’t all bad; as they say, it’s a toolbox you can pick and choose from. That’s my two cents.

[–]ElectricalFig7 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So, what exactly is the benefit of being a RPW?

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