I see/hear a lot in the manosphere/Redpill sphere that, all things being equal, women with low body counts are more desirable and that if she's a virgin, even better. However, I want to raise the question of whether this position still stands if the woman in question is a virgin into her mid 20s - or perhaps even beyond? This is regarding LTRs/marriages. For this question, assume that the reason for her maintained virgin status doesn't have to do with religion, celibacy, or a desire to wait until marriage. Also assume she is heterosexual.
If you believe it's a red flag, what undesirable thing(s) do you believe being a virgin of this age could indicate?
I would think that men would be turned off by women who are virgins in their mid 20s. Being a virgin as a woman of this age is, I think, most times a deliberate choice. I think it indicates that she's had opportunities to have sex and has decided against it, time and time again. Because this stands in sharp contrast to people who have sex for the first time in high school, in college, or shortly after graduating from college, I perceive that being a virgin at such an age is profound in that it's unusual and curious.
I imagine that some men could see that as a negative thing because it may indicate that the woman would take a while to get comfortable with physical intimacy, that things may never escalate that far at all, or that it would take time and effort to earn her trust. This contrasts with the reason I perceive most manosphere/Redpill men prioritize virginity and low body counts - because they get to be the first, because the woman might be easier to please without a point of reference, because she might not have matured enough to assert herself about what she does and doesn't want, and because she might not have matured enough to seek sex of a higher standard or a partner who respects and wants to make her feel good, too. A mid 20s woman, by contrast, may be a virgin but by that age she has heard about others' negative experiences, talked to other people about sex, contemplated it, started to discover who she is as an individual, learned self-advocacy by way of being a student/employee (even in a part time job - I'm not referring to a high caliber career), and learned to value her needs more in non-sexual contexts.
I could be wrong, but as I perceive it, those are all undesirable qualities in a woman to Redpillers and those who lean that way - even if she happens to be a virgin. That's why I pose this question.
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Women like that are the worst because you can't control them. If they have never experienced an orgasm with a man they don't know what they are missing so they are harder to control.
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Yes
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If they've had one before then yes. Otherwise why even hook up?
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You are actually proving my points. If most women take lots of work to finish off and many haven't even had a decent orgasm like ever, they don't even bother with sex. It makes it easier for them to manipulate guys because our weak spot is our relative ease of being turned on and orgasming. But a woman who has regular orgasms wants to go to bed with a guy because she hopes he will be great in bed. It's even easier if she's heard from girlfriends that he's a great lay.
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Oh yes, women, the perpetual victims.
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