Are men actually the more logical gender?

wtknight · 2021-07-03T19:11:40+00:00

Re-flaired as CMV as this post is not written from a neutral standpoint.

rosephase · 2021-07-03T19:06:28+00:00

People who think they are fully rational and logical are delusional. Mostly what people mean when they say they aren’t emotional they are logical, is they think their emotions are logic and other people’s are just feelings.

Also ignoring emotional realities is really fucking terrible ‘logic’.

sorebum405 · 2021-07-04T01:07:09+00:00

Men or women be more logical in general is debatable, but I would say women are far more logical than men when it comes to dealing with the opposite sex.

RandomUsernameSkrrrt · 2021-07-03T19:36:54+00:00

Logic is the ability to make valid inferences from premises, but those premises might not be correct.

All women are evil. Jane is a woman. Therefore, [insert valid inference]

If you inferred Jane is evil, congratulations: you’re logical. If you agreed with the premise, congratulations: you’re inductively illogical.

Emotion drives people to accept false premises; it does not deprive people of the ability to make valid inferences. Both sexes experience the same magnitude of emotion, just different ratios and expressions, predisposing them to accepting different premises, and everyone knows debating without an agreed premise is impossible. The miscommunication simulates the other person being illogical since you’re judging their inferences off your premise, but relative to their own it’s actually consistent. So you should make sure you’re inferring from the same premise before you criticize someone else’s capacity for logic.

Overall, logic is species-based, not sex-based, so if you’re human, there’s a 99% chance you’re logical.

1Here4Bach · 2021-07-04T00:12:59+00:00

This sub is proof that they aren’t.

Razumnyy · 2021-07-03T23:20:25+00:00

In studies where the participants self-reported their emotions, women were found to be more emotionally responsive, though this is vulnerable to gender stereotypes. The differences sometimes reduce or disappear when attempting to remove bias.

Studies using physiological responses have not been conclusive either, sometimes women are found to be more responsive and sometimes they aren’t. When studying brain activity it is sometimes found that men have greater amygdala activity and sometimes there is no difference.

Paraphrased from the empirical findings section here.

throwaway-1877 · 2021-07-04T00:42:03+00:00

No. I’m a man and I’ve argued with many “men” here who are more irrational than any woman I’ve met in my life. They simply LARP as logical and rational to impose higher moral authority brownie points, when in reality they’re just applying their confirmation bias everywhere, and sometimes even find research to support it. Their arguments use common platitudes that crumble like Jenga towers when held under scrutiny.

It’s no wonder to me that men are not as respected as they once were, especially when these things happen pretty commonly.

Neither men nor women are rational, they’re merely rationalizing.

actuallydivine99 · 2021-07-03T23:04:52+00:00

LMAO, fuck no. All the men commenting yes without evidence is proof of this. They feel like men are more logical so that means they are, even though actual scientific data has found no significant gender differences in emotional reactivity.

wtknight · 2021-07-03T18:59:42+00:00

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Kalvaire · 2021-07-03T19:29:59+00:00

Long time no see Lilith, let me get the popcorn cause this is gonna be good 😎

wtknight · 2021-07-03T19:09:17+00:00

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Special-Armadillo-99 · 2021-07-03T19:03:58+00:00

Being more logical doesn't mean you can't make a bad decision, if women had the amount of testosterone men have the world would look like gta

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DarkMindwithReason · 2021-07-03T19:53:38+00:00

Men being more logical encompasses a multitude of variables. There's the ability to see the world in a more objective manner, accept facts and filter the senses through rational means. It is also men having the ability to not let emotions cloud reason. Humans have emotions but men are better at regulating their emotions and heeding to rationality. Women are also more emotional by nature for multiple reasons, explained now by science. Women depend more on feelings.

Jordan Peterson talked a little about this, anti social personality disorder is mainly a male disorder and borderline personality disorder is mainly a female one. ASPD is characterised by a lack of empathy but with it comes an extremely logic driven self interested brain. BPD is characterised by emotionally instability and surprise surprise, is mainly a female disorder.

Men are more interested in logic, maths, philosophy and science. Men are interested in things. Women are emotional and are interested in people. Women go into nursing and teaching for a reason.

But isnt that theory contradicted from the disproportionate violent crimes committed by men due to anger?

I think it's dishonest to pin all violent crimes in men to the motivation of anger and anger alone. Just because women are less predisposed to physical violence doesn't mean they aren't aggressive in their own ways. There are evolutionary reasons for this. Mens aggression is just more visible and less socially acceptable as it is more likely to destroy a society if not contained, controlled and punished. The law is all about maintaining order in society, not about morality. You'd also wanna consider the prevalence of mental illness in these criminal men.

I'd argue the problem is, in your mind you're taking the worst sample of men you can think of and are comparing it with average everyday women.

Jakes1967 · 2021-07-03T20:35:46+00:00

Are men actually the more logical gender?

If more logical = more analytical, then yes they are.

old_wise_man_ · 2021-07-03T23:59:22+00:00

because men care more about the outcome and the result than how it made them feel. The majority of women I know care how an action affects them personally and how their feelings will handle or be after the action. Men care about the results of said action. That’s why stoicism is only applied to men. I have yet to see women being stoics.

Thats why I think men and women belong together because the logical plus emotional will be stronger and raise a stronger society. Unfortunately society is going on a downhill path but that’s another issue.

CodeCody23 · 2021-07-03T19:08:23+00:00

Hard to say. But I’ve argued with more men with fallacious reasoning than I have women.

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2021-07-03T20:41:02+00:00

Women are way angrier than men, they're just also timid.

And males are only sjws to get pussy

TheChocolateBarsGuy · 2021-07-03T19:19:01+00:00

Crimes are not committed due to anger.

One of the largest indicators of crime comes from being opposite to authority/rules and disagreebllines. Add to that men being physically superior to commit physical crimes.

We know from studies that women tend to use reputation destruction. You can see that if you are in high school ! Or school in general. Women do not get into physical fights like men. Instead of that they spread rumours about the people they hate. That is how they show aggressiveness.

Jordan Peterson talking about

https://youtu.be/gX5Vaqx_nNg

If you look at the most agreeable people they will be women. If you look at most disagreeable people they happen to be men.

Here is Jordan Peterson explaining it https://youtu.be/dMlZNKjQpMo

just_a_place · 2021-07-03T21:23:59+00:00

We are more logical in the sense that we place more emotional worth into objectivity and practical application of ideas and constructs rather than wallow in the emotion itself as if feelings have any objective value in and of themselves.

To men, our feelings are just tools, to women, feelings are more like limbs and appendages. Men do not identify with their feelings just as we do not identify with our tools. A man can lose a screwdriver and it will not be the end of the world for him because it is not a part of him. Men use feelings and emotions to navigate his social environment the way a man uses a compass to navigate through a forest or a sextant to navigate at sea. Emotions are just another part of a man's senses alongside Reason and men subconsciously try to subordinate emotions under reason because we learn that it is through reason that we can best navigate the real world and understand the consequences of such. We also learn that emotion obstructs our view of the real world, it gets in the way of our willpower, it undermines our choices and sabotages our clarity of thought. This is why men do not identify their feelings with themselves and hold them more like tools rather than as a part of themselves.

Women on the other hand hold their feelings as if they were another set of eyes, an extra arm or something and thus when their feelings get hurt they feel as though it is an existential attack on them even at the slightest emotional offense.

Men however, still feel existential threats but only as far as he can emotionally identify the intent of the attacker as being something that compromises his sense of self. So that is why men only react very emotionally when the ego itself is attacked and not when any other emotional part of himself is under assault. This is why men seem unphased by many things that would trigger a more exagerated response from a woman. It's why men appear to be aloof and unemotional. It is not that we do not have emotions, it is just that we do in fact detect the same feelings that women do except that we do not place any value in them. We take note of the feeling and move on. This is being Emotionally Centered.

It is also the reason men often get exasperated with women and believe that women are trivial, getting worked up and emotional over meaningless shit. Few men understand that women depend far more on their feelings because women are far more dependent on their social environment for their survival than men are. Thus women identify their feelings with themselves and whatever their feelings say is their reality to them.

A man's reality is what Reason (consequences, abstract thought, logic, deduction, experience, etc) tells him.

A woman's reality is what her feelings (intuition, emotion, attitude, mood, opinions, trends etc) tell her.

alialahmad1997 · 2021-07-04T01:16:51+00:00

I do feel that way but the thing is that is society prejudice and not logic and data

In my personal experience i did notice that i noticed my female friends are less interested in scientific and philosophical discussions and i was even been given tips to easy with the science or history and foucks on the fun stuff when around women But this is low sample size and should not be considered evidence

I have noticed women being drama queens and men more layback and seen women more upset on long run but seen men get more burst of anger for short periods i think each is emotional in their own way

And in the end it does not really matter don't treat people based on their gender treats them based on their individuality

The chances are one gender is more logical than the other but the difference won't be big on the avarage levels but will be bigger in the exteme like all the other different between the genders

BigDudBoy · 2021-07-03T23:35:35+00:00

I think in general, men have a greater awareness of financial responsibility and the consequences of their choices. Most of the guys I talk to about college made their decisions with heavy influence of how it would affect their finances / future financial comfort. The same isn't true for the women I've talked to. The societal shadow of breadwinner husband still applies today, I know many women who's entire goal in life is to be a stay-at-home mom and I know 0 men like that.

MrNobody512 · 2021-07-03T19:08:28+00:00

Men are external and women are internal. Men can be far less egocentric than women, and view the world in an observational, calculated, and logical manner. Whereas women are far more emotional, and view the world entirely from their point of view, which can entirely change the external reality of the world based on their emotional perception.

manfrom-nantucket · 2021-07-03T19:15:30+00:00

All women are not like that, however all women have the opportunity.

WilliamWyattD · 2021-07-04T03:30:33+00:00

Men are more logical and more likely to systematize and generalize. But we are talking about two overlapping distribution curves--heavily overlapping.

And as the OP points out, there are likely some average differences in how each gender manifests emotionality and rationality. Anger is definitely an emotion.

_lemazaki · 2021-07-03T19:22:47+00:00

I don´t know it´s like that.

I think males are "more capable" of using logic under a lot of emotion, like a gun shooting, a war, bad situations and this is how we do bad things too without breaking our mind so fast.In general, but not every guy of course.

EstablishmentKooky50 · 2021-07-03T20:25:47+00:00

The point is the tendency. Men tend to default to logic first, then emotions, women tend to default to emotion first, then logic. Men are problem solvers. It does not mean women can not solve problems, but mostly it is more natural to men. Anger (and high emotions) frequently disables cognitive functioning and triggers the flight or fight mechanism in both genders. Males tend to be triggered for fight, females tend to be triggered for flight.

cunningcaring · 2021-07-04T00:49:23+00:00

Debatable. Look at all the men driving big pickups and carrying guns.

Teflon08191 · 2021-07-04T06:04:19+00:00

Is a given man more logical than a given woman? Impossible to say.

Collectively though? Absolutely.

It's not a "stereotype" that men are generally more interested in facts, science and hard truths given their overwhelming representation in fields that deal with those things.

SaBahRub · 2021-07-04T06:17:55+00:00

If they are…so what?

Sea-Buffalo · 2021-07-04T15:33:02+00:00

Overall men are more logical and less emotional rooted in their daily and life decisions.

Look at the biggest issue we see with women dating the bad boys that use and abuse them but then cry about finding a good guy.

They are totally being driven by emotion because logic thinking would have made them date the good men.

Sea-Buffalo · 2021-07-04T15:33:10+00:00

Overall men are more logical and less emotional rooted in their daily and life decisions.

Look at the biggest issue we see with women dating the bad boys that use and abuse them but then cry about finding a good guy.

They are totally being driven by emotion because logic thinking would have made them date the good men.

KiddoFff · 2021-07-04T15:34:19+00:00

men have been more interested in facts, science, and hard truths

It only means that men's IQ (for lack of a better measurement) is more variable, where's women's IQ has less deviation. That means there are more lowest-IQ men than lowest-IQ women are there. Low IQ usually also corresponds to low inhibition.

Also men can be more aggressive and are stronger gender. I suppose this addresses violent crimes part.

As for arguments on this sub, even if we assume everyone is average or above intelligent,

Even high IQ man doesn't necessarily thing about everything he believes or seems to be true.

Further, their experiences since childhood affect their opinions. Two people with same intelligence may definitely differ in opinions because of their experiences. Not implying I am intelligent but that's why I am often bitter about women, certain kinds of women especially, doesn't mean I am right all the time. Just opinions.

twheeem · 2021-07-04T17:41:48+00:00

Testosterone improves math performance so, there’s that.

beeguy727 · 2021-07-04T22:59:49+00:00

Let the accolades of the superior gender speak to the standpoint of men being the more “logical” group of people. Just look at all the great works of philosophy and the contributions to the subjects of learning that have been done by men and notice how the accomplishments of women in the same fields pale in comparison.

Im asking because of the stereotype that men have been more interested in facts, science, and hard truths, while women are more into feelings, nurturing, and more emotionally driven. But isnt that theory contradicted from the disproportionate violent crimes committed by men due to anger?

Violence is often times the most effective response to a variety of problems. I always find it amusing when women challenge the logicality of men. It’s comparable to when feminists challenge men’s usefulness by writing an article insisting that women don't need men on a device created by a man and then publishing it on a platform that was, again, made by a man.

TheBookOfSeil · 2021-07-03T19:05:17+00:00

In general, yes.

PoliticsIsBroken · 2021-07-03T19:22:21+00:00

Yes, this is trivially true.

PlayfulLawyer · 2021-07-03T21:23:06+00:00

Yup, it's supposed to be that way anyways, there's definitely a lot of confusion and feminine energy with the rise of all these Mama's Boys raised in single-mother households

Quick_Feeling_4949 · 2021-07-04T00:33:25+00:00

Yes, because men wouldn’t be so emotional as to think of something so dumb .

xFallacyx69 · 2021-07-04T02:35:06+00:00

Neither gender is logical when it comes to dating or we’d all be happily paired up 90% of the time. Men are more logical thinkers outside of relationships and I wouldn’t say women are illogical but they definitely care more about how something makes them “feel” and not so much the truth behind it.

__Vandetta__ · 2021-07-04T03:55:32+00:00

Yes, but for every single man on the planet, our emotional side really does make us do some dumb shit when our logical side has lost control.

And there are many different triggers.

Lust is often one of those triggers for example. Anger is another.

But all too often it's multiple triggers acting at once.

Alas, learning to control them, which our logic center has primary control over is possible and fairly easy over time once exposed to these emotions if one puts their mind to it. - That's exactly how I got over my depression and associated emotions.

Have you ever used an emotion to control another, and subsequently got better at handling both? That's my experience.

Project-007 · 2021-07-04T04:22:56+00:00

Men tend to look for logic and reason in anything they do, we are always trying to figure out how things work and why they work. We even try to look for rational explanations for intangible things like love or God, for example majority of atheist are men because they first need a logical explanation for the existence of God to believe. Another example is, look how men approach dating like it's a mathematical equation that needs to be solved we look up statistics about relationships and marriage to assess possible failure or success, we hold discussions and debates about the dating market we studying behavioral psychology and evolutionary biology to get a clear understanding of how attraction works. Whereas women just use their intuition and what feels right for them while navigating the dating market. Men thrive in STEM careers because science is all about black or white logic there's no grey area and there is a reason why majority of therapists are women because it's a field that deals with emotions which is their area of expertise. But most importantly there will always be outliers on both sides when it comes to logic or emotion.

angels-fan · 2021-07-04T04:53:27+00:00

I would say women are more likely to be irrational.

I asked here once if the women got irrational when they were pmsing. Most women said yes, they are totally irrational, but it feels rational until they are out of their pms, then they're like, what the fuck kind of monster did I become?

collapsedcuttlefish · 2021-07-04T11:26:34+00:00

If you have to tell everyone its logical, its emotional. Calling something logical is a bargaining plea. Literal persuasive writing. Real logic just is, it doesn't have to name itself.

StayGold4Life · 2021-07-05T05:01:41+00:00

Are men actually the more logical gender? Yes I suppose for the most part they are. I don't believe being more logical is some how better than women being more emotional though. Both are needed to create balance and a thriving society.

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