Average-looking men who are "lookists" or "black pill" are doomed to fail.

redditthrowaway1478 · 2021-05-12T03:27:02+00:00

*Status (I asterisked this one. IME women, as opposed to men, are the ones who are aroused by this and I think that's because it ties into her "respect for him." Respect/admiration is crucial to a woman's desire to want to be fucked by a man. A man who has earned status in areas of influence she cares about is a man who likely has very seductive masculine prowess that men and women can sense. It's more correlative overlap with "Presence" than anything.)

I'm kinda torn because attraction is not the same as arousal, but "presence" is a bridge word between the two.

I dont really know where to go from here, its honestly a pretty spot on post.

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-05-12T09:38:25+00:00

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AceOfBlacks · 2021-05-12T01:42:40+00:00

I like how your version of what men look at is perfect ass and tits. Maybe I like beautiful eyes and smile? Maybe you are looking for a perfect dickbulge?

PickleLine · 2021-05-12T02:48:30+00:00

Even if the 6/10 guy had 6/10 SMV, he would still struggle to get sex without overexerting himself.

The problem is that male SMV gets very little in return. A SMV of X should be able to easily get sex with women below X, but any man with a SMV lower than 7-7.5/10 struggles to get any sex, even with 1/10 women.

Kaisha001 · 2021-05-12T02:15:22+00:00

Now, while the above things more or less affect both genders' SMV, it is widely accepted that looks are weighted the heaviest for women in the eyes of men. Presentation as well, especially when it comes to her weight or her not shaving her legs ever or smelling gross.

Conversely, women care about meeting a looks threshold, but presence/presentation/status can really take a man who is solidly average in immutable physical looks to an "above average" SMV or higher.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5519305/

https://goldvalueideas.com/2021/03/17/sex-differences-in-romantic-selectiveness/

These gals really cared about personality!!:

https://palaceintrigueblog.com/2019/07/09/modern-women-will-hook-up-with-child-molesters-and-nazis-as-long-as-the-guy-is-good-looking/

SUEDE2BLACK · 2021-05-12T03:32:05+00:00

Yes and no if someone's attracted to you they won't care about anything else that's why you have women getting pregnant by inmates ,dudes with 5 baby mommas already and other lvm.

I dress well I'm groomed I have a 6 figure net worth a good career I'm friendly respectable and still struggle on OLD.

Mean while my ex left me for a guy who lives with his mom.I saw him and he's very attractive she even told me she likes him for the way he looks and he doesn't have the best personality.

GridReXX · 2021-05-12T02:03:13+00:00

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mbh63 · 2021-05-12T03:26:20+00:00

I ran in social circles in college where this was the prevailing thinking. I think there’s some truth in it but it frustrates me to no end because I’ve never been a guy with presence or status and I wouldn’t even begin to know how to get those things.

PoliticsIsBroken · 2021-05-12T01:57:11+00:00

Zero evidence to support this. Female arousal is highly correlated to looks. In fact you claim that men care more about looks than women which is false. There is not a single study or experiment confirming this. In fact it's quite the opposite.

Why do people bother posting ridiculous opinions with not even a semblance of data or logic to back it up.

It doesnt matter what pill u are, if you don't cross an attractiveness barrier as a guy its not gonna happen (with certain exceptions).

Having a good personality does not raise attractiveness unless you are past the barrier. Otherwise it really does not matter. In other words, it does not matter for getting your foot in the door

Why are so many afraid of simple facts. It's ok, ppl are shallow. Men are, women are even more. Get over yourselves. Accept, move on, live on in spite of uncomfortable truths. That's how you move the conversation between the genders forward, not ignoring things that are right in front of your eyes.

Bandit174 · 2021-05-12T03:27:13+00:00

I think it's more that men who are already doomed to fail gravitate towards BP rather than black pill being the cause of failure.

Presentation (Styling & Grooming & Weight/Fitness)

This falls under the looks umbrella.

Presence (Does he comport in a charmingly masculine way?

I would also say this is also heavily influenced by how you look mostly facial aesthetics and I guess voice pitch. Charming is seemingly always correlated with being conventionally attractive and having a certain range of voice.

So the only thing you listed that isn't mostly to purely looks based imo was status which is probably the least influencial of the bunch.

goochiegg · 2021-05-12T03:24:45+00:00

No i disagree with this whole post . It's the looks bro, it doesn't matter how he tries to use his "masculine " presence if he's ugly girls will just ignore him and guys would just bully him for being werid looking or just ignore him. For example i looked relatively normal yet i got teased alot because my hairline was shaped like a McDonald's sign, so it was kinda hard to get respect from my peers so it was nearly impossible to get that "status" thing you where talking about. I basically got fucked over by a physical flaw i had no control over. Also the status thing is kinda uncontrollable since I can't control if people like me . I'm not rich so i can't afford to buy high status clothes to " increase my presence" since I'm kinda broke right now. So a bunch of this is still stuff most men have no control over, and this " masculine charisma " is just super vauge. Also i can't help that I'm not naturally " masculine charisma " man so am I basically both fucked because Im not high status enough ?

colgateexpert · 2021-05-12T08:09:03+00:00

WHY DO I GOTTA DO ALL THIS SHIT TO HAVE SOMETHING THAT WOMEN HAVE BY DEFAULT????

trueorfalsedmitry · 2021-05-12T02:52:55+00:00

TRP 101

Lalgoli · 2021-05-12T09:47:26+00:00

Presentation and presense both are heavily influenced by looks. I would say good looking person is always presentable. And status also depends heavily on looks(halo effect).

I can see you only mentioned looks.

Aldabruzzo · 2021-05-12T13:06:27+00:00

This is off the cuff, so I might edit this if I give this more or deeper thought.

You're discounting the men who have already tried maxxing out on presentation, presence, and status. A lot of the men who are saying the things you're saying are aware of all this, and have already tried everything you're talking about. They got to lookism/black pill because they already tried all this. A lot of black pillers are ex-red pillers for whom game and self improvement didn't work.

Your post suggests if these guys gave more attention to presentation, presence, status, etc. that they'd have more success, and that ain't necessarily so.

Second point: I think men who are having problems with women fall into two camps: (1) men who can attract women but fail down the line, men who can make things happen but suffer repeated failure (mostly because of him or his choices); and (2) men who can't attract women, can't make anything at all happen. You're talking about the men in Group 2. And those men have to work on physical attractiveness first and foremost. This lines up with "women have a physical threshold for sexual attraction (which I agree with). The hole in your theory is that Group 2 men can always, or at least almost all the time, compensate with non-looks stuff. I don't agree with that. Guys who can't make anything happen are such because their looks are fucked up. Maybe they can do something about that (most times they can), maybe they can't. But looks and appearance are the problem - it's not anything else.

GridReXX · 2021-05-12T22:28:00+00:00

Conversely, women care about meeting a looks threshold, but presence/presentation/status can really take a man who is solidly average in immutable physical looks to an "above average" SMV or higher.

Men also care about meeting a looks threshold, and beyond that, other things become much more important.
presence/presentation/status only matter after she has decided he is someone she would like to date, which depends on looks primarily.

For all we know, they are a 2/10 in Presentation, Presence, and Status respectively which is a combined grand total of an SMV of 3.

let's talk about this for a little bit: how are you defining rating numbers? Because, these two things at least could be different (and probably are):

deciles of the population? Like, order men from least to most attractive, and the lowest 10% are defined as 1, between 10% and 20% are 2, etc.
the subjective rating women assign

I think women have unrealistically high standards, for at least a few reasons, which I won't get into here. For example, women rate a 70th %-tile as 4/10.

Average-looking men who refuse to accept that female arousal incorporates more than "looks" will always be at a disadvantage.

No one is seriously saying that. We are saying that those other things won't come into play without good looks.

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-05-12T01:45:19+00:00

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4D-Alien · 2021-05-12T16:58:20+00:00

nope. its below average men are doomed to fail. average men who are blackpilled/lookspilled can use it to there advantage and actually get somewhere.

sadly for ugly guys no amount of knowledge can help.

_Neon_Shadow_ · 2021-05-12T07:58:30+00:00

TL;DR: Looks are all that matters.

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2021-05-12T03:23:51+00:00

Ok, I will try to make a quick analysis, correct me if I'm wrong.

In my opinion, something I see is very common here on PPD and other pills/dating subforums but also IRL is that average and below average looking men are meassuring themselves against good looking men in the kind of inmediate sexual response they cause in women, because after all it's the physical/sexual response from women what most men across all ages and all over the looks scale crave the most.

Most men are not as concerned about status or personality when they chose their partners, and arguably they are concerned about a woman's look more than the desire of being desired by their partners, and given the fact that male standards for sex are lower than women's thus women are handled more and better choices for casual sex and temporary sexual relationships, it seems that the men who don't score high on the looks department feel like they will never evoke in their female partners the same feelings and sexual lust some of their previous partners did.

This is also the root of a recurrent fear some of these men exhibit, the fear of being treated as second best, or to get a different (lesser) treatment in comparisson with good looking men despite having to perform in other aspects to compensate their lack of looks.

The fixiation most men have today, even more than in past times in my experience, with their girlfriends and wives' past, again in my opinion as a male, comes from fearing she could have had better, hence the posibility that her would look down on him behind his back.

Some of these fears are irrational, but some others hold some truth in it.

Not saying women are to blame, of course, they are just excersicing their right to chose their sexual partners and living their sexuality the way they want, but this is the core of the issue.

Some weird thought here, perhaps these men wouldn't feel as coned as they feel now if they were able to experience the dating life the way women do, and started to atract the attention of good looking women who want nothing but sex from them? It would be hilarious, just a weird fantasy however, we would have to reverse the biology of men and women for this haha.

Of course, the more open society becomes towards sex the more problems these men will have to find a balance between their deepest emotions and a healthy dating life.

In my opinion, Blackpillers and Incels say some self-defeatist and negative things that no one should say, but it must some truth in all that mess. Somehow, for some guys it must feel it is a lose-lose game indeed.

That's why I agree with these MIGTOW dudes when they recommend unlucky guys to accept the reality and move on with life, it's a good advice (kind of zen shit actually) for those men that tried and failed and want to ease the pain. Like "hey bro, you don't need to be good looking to live a happy and fullfilling life" you know, this is a good thing and a positive aproach to reality.

So, to resume, yes, some men will never recieve the same treatment from women, some men will never get the super hot spontaneous sex other guys get, some guys will never get laid with a barely cute girl, and some guys will never get laid at all. This is the way it is, but depending on how these guys tackle this "pill hard to swallow" like they say, and depending on which point they aproach life from, they will suffer or they will own it, they will process It and they will move to greener pastures.

Like my father used to say, "pain is inevitable, suffering is a choice".

StunningEstates · 2021-05-12T03:32:41+00:00

Tbh, this is why I don't get this whole sub. If your not chad, you gotta play the game. Is it unfair? Yeah, but life is unfair for women as well. And just like girls complaining about how obsessed we are with looks isn't going to go away just by them screaming it at us, girl's valuing height or charisma or money or whatever isn't going to go away just by us shaming them.

It's. Not. Going. To. Change.

Not in your lifetime and not in my lifetime, if it ever does. So every guy below a 9 has to looksmax, and whatever the other terms are for maximizing your income and "game". That's just the way it is. And you either do that and get whatever you can, or you resign yourself to mediocrity and stay single/pickup whatever scraps are left at the bottom. Those are the only 2 options for average men. And all this anger and energy spent every single day could easily be channeled into positivity or self-improvement. Yeah, the climb might be lonely, and that might make you angry because others are born at or near the top, but can you honestly say sitting there pouting all day is better?

I say all that to say, we all wanna bang 10's all day. We're men. But unless you win the lottery in one way or the other, it ain't gunna happen. That's life. Maximize your potential and at least get something. Or don't. But if you don't, internalize that this was your decision and stop whining all the goddamn time. There's not this collective shaming bubble men have to fill that'll burst one day and women will suddenly "come to their senses". Deep down inside that's what you think, we all do, but deeper down inside you know that's not what's gunna happen. So fucking deal with it and move on.

When I first found this sub, I thought it was nirvana. People actually openly analysing heterosexual relationships, as unbiased as possible, with no political correctness, and sharing their findings. Until I realized the "purple pill" referred to by this sub is more apt to the mash that comes from blue and red fighting than it is people coming to conclusions in a sensible way. Shit is fucking annoying. This sub is basically a bunch of misogynists and misandrists fighting each other. But you'd all rather deal with that than face reality, which I don't find cool or stoically honorable, I find it fucking sad.

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-05-12T10:43:10+00:00

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Confident-Working595 · 2021-05-12T13:02:21+00:00

This has to be separated into short-term and long-term relationships.

In short-term dating (hookups), looks are all that matters in both men and women. Men are less selective about who they sleep with. Blackpillers who are average or ugly aren't going to get into short-term relationships quickly unless they seriously drop their standards—1 point for black pill anon.

Your schpeal on looks vs. grooming vs. fitness is wasted. All of that goes into looks, and you are right; forsaking that stuff would lower your SMV. However, there are things you just can't change (height, hair loss, eyes, skull shape, etc.) These are permanent things that lower a man's SMV. I've known guys that have destroyed their bodies to fix some of these things, i.e., finasteride for hair loss. Now, they are in their late 20s with erectile dysfunction—2 points for black pill anon.

Your post is essentially the same as the meme "Just (insert menial task here), bro." We get it. You must take showers, work out, talk to people, have a job. This post is excellent advice for those that sit in their mother's basements and masturbate all day but terrible for those average everyday guys that still struggle to attract partners. There's more I'd like to say, but it would be wasted or fall on blind eyes.

GridReXX · 2021-05-12T01:39:22+00:00

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iamthemovie1992 · 2021-05-12T12:38:50+00:00

But here’s the thing, if you’re average you will always struggle or fail to get casual sex. No one is talking about getting relationships here, all you stated is going to help you get LTRs. But when it comes to casual sex if you lack the looks then you’re already disqualified and no amount of grooming, presence or status will help

SaBahRub · 2021-05-12T17:02:41+00:00

Average looking men who are “lookists” are doomed to fail if they are average at everything else as well”

There ya go

FaithInStrangers94 · 2021-05-12T17:36:49+00:00

Looks are a prerequisite for all to some degree but that degree is contingent on the individual. E.g effectively no one would be sexually attracted toward an 800lb man regardless of his other attributes; but as long as a guy is within an acceptable threshold then for many girls other attributes will take precedence.

Basically yeah you may as well do all you can to look as appealing as possible then just work on being as appealing as possible with your personality and other attributes

GunnzzNRoses · 2021-05-12T04:47:08+00:00

Fundamentally, your face and your personality (in which is contained your presence, wit, charm, etc) are 99.9999999% of getting lucky. Height and Frame and literally anything else are needed as a compensation for lacking there.

If you are very handsome and a good man (or charismatic), that's it. No more is needed. If you're lacking in looks, you can rebound that by being a giant muscular dude. Or if you're an absolute cock, same boat. Compensation. And if you're not tall but lacking one of the core elements, just pack the meat on. Just be muscular theory is about the only incel theory that holds water when exposed to light.

sexy420slutwhore · 2021-05-12T07:21:41+00:00

Male arousal incorporates more than looks more than female in my non binary opinion. But men can't maintain social power if they let that secret out. A part of women being opressed is women believing their looks matter more than they really do. If the right type of thinker is a fat ugly female your bf could still be thinking of her while he fucks your boring stupid Stacy ass.

Source: myself.

Goodthingstartssmall · 2021-05-12T07:43:06+00:00

Well it's basically saying that it's harder for men. Because "frame" and especially Status are heavily influnced by outside factors like upbringing and competition while looks these days is 70% you own effort (not nearly as high as aquiring status) and battle and even with average to below average genetics men are far more lenient with women looks anyway.

As i want to say that i agree in a sense.

Rhye88 · 2021-05-12T03:36:50+00:00

Pseudoscience at its best

2021-05-12T06:07:23+00:00

I agree with this. "Game" or Charisma/Social Proof or Social Influence can be a "Game Changer" lmao.

I know this because I personally successfully leveraged things like Social Proof/Influence to get girls that would have been arguably far out of "My League" based on SMV otherwise.

Also I literally have to wear my own 💩 in a bag on my stomach (talk about killing your dating prospects lmao); and I've actually done BETTER with Girls after I got the surgery (probably because I wasn't in constant pain and could actually talk to them without looking like I was about to die/pass out).

If you wanna be a Doomer/Blackpill do what you do my dude; I'm not your Dad and it's not my job to judge/try to change you.

But just know that things could be different 🤷

Ya you're just gonna have to get over the fact that you might not be her "Chad"; so what? You're not Obligated to Marry/Cohabitate or be in an LTR with the Girl if you don't want to. I understand the "Alpha Fux; Beta Bux" mentality and what it does to the Male Psyche; but as long as you refuse to be the Beta/Provider/Friendzone Guy who cares?

Extremely__Moderate · 2021-05-12T04:22:14+00:00

just have money and none of this shit matters

JameisBong · 2021-05-12T04:24:09+00:00

I agree. Bruh I've seen crack addicted couples procreate and have children, the whole idea that someone is unfuckable is just retarded.

My guess is because they can't get their IDEAL mate, they default to blackpill/doompill.

Sekina7 · 2021-05-12T12:42:18+00:00

You are absolutely spot on and this is the best explanation of the female arousal process I have seen on reddit, the ironic thing is that if the guys that were struggling were smart they would read between the lines and understand that they can apply hard work in other areas to dramatically increase there SMV & RMV but it would require too much hard work and it's easier to blame others instead of going the work and competing, Your post is spot on.

LaChoffe · 2021-05-12T09:56:38+00:00

Your points #2 and #3 are fairly easy to get to a good level for most people. All my guy friends are groomed and charismatic enough where going to the next level would require a ton of effort for little return.

Also if men are able to raise their SMV and date above their "looks level", then the opposite would also have to be true. If a guy who is a 5 in looks is dating an 8 women due to his presence, then there is a 5 girl out there without a partner. Who is she dating?

DLifts777 · 2021-05-12T11:20:38+00:00

Exactly, I’ve always been in the top 5% height, blessed with top tier facial aesthetics and am very athletic. But I was practically a virgin until 19/20 because I was introverted, boring and I treated women with the upmost respect.

Meanwhile guys who were no way near as conventionally attractive as me (average height, average faces) were banging girls from the age of 14 and 15 simply because they were super social, fun and extroverted. They also acted like a bad boy alpha by wearing chains, listening to grime and treating girls like sex objects with an IDGAF personality. I saw all that as fake, but it worked, it got them what they wanted.

That’s why TRP works, it says to not only maximise your looks but also to act the part. No point being a 9/10 if you’re a goofy basement dweller.

Nirv127 · 2021-05-12T13:07:13+00:00

I dislike the whole 'lookist' ideology, but honestly it sometimes boils down to men internally seeking validation from other men. Men who consider themselves ugly believe they do not fit the male gaze of attractiveness. The female gaze is what they should focus on when trying to better themselves if their main goal is to get a partner. I'm not saying that's a healthy thing to do, but envying attractive men you believe are the unattainable goal isn't the most productive mindset.

Female objective attractiveness is varied, albeit with some consistent traits. You will never look like the hottest man in the world, but you can definitely look better to women. Attractive men don't care about the looks of other men, they care about how they appear to women. Whether this is with looks, physique or personality. Stop trying to be what YOU believe is attractive in other men, and look into what the kind of women you want to be with might be attracted to.

bowserfire73 · 2021-05-12T04:29:23+00:00

I used to lurk lookism.net, and I can confirm, their mentality is totally wrong. "If you're not at least 6 feet you should rope" and "black pill is the only truth"

It's not just sad, it's wrong. Boys are killing themselves over their genetics, it's disgusting. You might not find a gf, but find something else to do. This is a toxic mindset. If you met a woman while in this mindset you would show her your worst side and end up scaring her away. It's a catch 22 you have to get out of. You can't approach relationships you want to work with manipulation and insecurity.

BarestBranch · 2021-05-12T04:30:00+00:00

I usually prefer thinking of this in terms of taking pride in yourself. That means presenting yourself honestly and authentically in a way that reveals what you value and shows you’re invested in yourself. This is important outside of dating as well. We only get one life, you might as well take it seriously and do your best.

I find the concept of maximizing your ‘SMV’ really ugly tho. Sounds like someone looking for the most socially accepted forms of style, the most commonly desired ways to be ‘charmingly masculine’, the best or easiest way to ‘attain influence’ in areas that most women care about just in order to get laid. It sounds like such an empty life.

Mrs_Drgree · 2021-05-12T12:02:52+00:00

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Sassafrass45 · 2021-05-12T16:46:14+00:00

YES! This post is dead on! Great job!!

ace1244 · 2021-05-12T12:01:10+00:00

Men tend to punch above their weight when it comes to looks. On the other hand if you are a very good looking guy with low presentation/ presence/status you will not get that beautiful woman. Of course P/S/S is subjective so a gorgeous woman who never finished high school probably wouldn’t be sophisticated enough to respect a man with a PhD and average looks. But a beautiful woman with a PhD would.

PlayfulLawyer · 2021-05-12T02:10:45+00:00

That's kind of why I'm glad this subreddit is supposed to anyways, bans a lot of the black pill stuff, for a small portion of guys in may be a reality and they may have the right to call themselves this but I don't fuck with dudes that call themselves incels, the whole thing is just a self-defeating ideology

AceOfBlacks · 2021-05-12T02:06:36+00:00

I am a man, I attract plenty of women, recently I put on some weight and currently dress like a bum, I don't understand where the attraction comes from.

cloudsongs_ · 2021-05-12T02:52:37+00:00

Dating isn't math.

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Estarossa86 · 2021-05-12T09:27:43+00:00

What the hell is with all these damn pills just call these things what they are Jesus. There’s more labels then a drug store back shelf with even less explanation.

filthyburrows · 2021-05-12T09:33:51+00:00

im new can someone please help me with these abbreviations?

bowserfire73 · 2021-05-12T12:02:12+00:00

Without good looks you don't get the opportunity to show personality. The average guy is rated as below average by women. They simply don't get the opportunity you think they do.

MoreAlfa · 2021-05-12T14:30:28+00:00

Your first bullet point is not factually correct. Women do not see attraction the same way a man sees attraction. Different features are naturally attractive to the sexes. "Ugly" and "handsome" are defined differently by women.

Men who get caught up in their looks are wayyyyyy dumb and simply do not understand women.

SouthernGrass3 · 2021-05-12T22:22:36+00:00

I don’t think people evaluate the opposite sex in exactly the way you describe, but I have seen a lot of people complain about not being able to get together with someone about equally as physically attractive as them, when their is clearly an inequality in another area that is influencing the situation. People pick up on others’ charisma/ social skills/social confidence very quickly and I think it plays a big role even in hook ups.

Snoo_16536 · 2021-05-14T00:37:49+00:00

Rep pill truth from a sister! Buckle up guys .

AWALT!

azevedro · 2021-05-15T02:05:04+00:00

Doesn’t this just prove the black pill

3dasak · 2021-05-19T11:16:37+00:00

1-4 in looks (ugly): Pretty much over. Extremely hard to attract. Need to approach over at least 500x to get lucky with 1.

5-7 in looks (average): Can still get laid and redpill applies to this range. Lift, game (socially confident, masculine). Needs around 50-100 approaches for 1 lay. TRP principles help compete against the average man, not chad.

8-10 in looks (Chad): The winner. Women turn their head twice. Some social skills and not being a bitch hes good to go. Needs around 10-20 approaches to get laid.

Each point is a significant booster. As long as youre not ugly as fuck (1-4), play the numbers game. Your chances as an average man is lower compared to chad but thats life. Stop bitching.

As for real ugly guys, i believe they should look for a long-term relationship with someone in their looks department (i know its still hard). Prostitutes are also an option.

Megabyte7637 · 2021-05-12T03:14:14+00:00

superlurkage · 2021-05-12T03:56:12+00:00

They’re not doomed to fail unless they refuse to settle.

Phoesilvle · 2021-05-12T07:24:28+00:00

"I am a "6" so I should be slamming pussy with "6" women." That "6" they're talking about is probably only their "looks" assessment. For all we know, they are a 2/10 in Presentation, Presence, and Status respectively which is a combined grand total of an SMV of 3.

I never quite got the hang how looks and apparently behaviour too can be captured in a single number. I mean I get that 5 is an average looking person, but can we quickly recapitulate the maths governing this?

Is it more like a bell curve centering at five, or perhaps a cut off bell curve? Or are all numbers equally frequent?

Also you suggest that looks, presence, status and so on has to be added up for arithmetic averaging. In my experience (I'm not thinking in numbers but red flags) if a person shows a red flag (eg has an abrasive personality) I'm no longer interested, regardless of looks. I think in your numbers this would be better represented with the minimum of all numbers as the common number. If for some reason one of the numbers is not relevant for the chosen social setting, the smallest relevant number determines the total number.

Also don't presence and status depend strongly on personal preference aand context? If you wanted to determine the number representing it, how would you go about it?

Title	Average-looking men who are "lookists" or "black pill" are doomed to fail.
Author	GridReXX
Upvotes	206
Comments	457
Date	May 12, 2021 1:30 AM UTC (2 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
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