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CMV: Redpill is not an ally to monogamy or romance especially in youths

November 2, 2022
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From my understanding of the redpill it encourages men to be promiscuous in their youths and settle down with a women who isn't promiscuous. Not only is this hypocritical but it betrays monogamy and romance for our youths and therefore the redpill are no allies of us.

I personally believe in an egalitarian relationship model where fathers are involved in childrearing more and contribute to the health and well being of relationships. So I am not advocating the traditional gender norms but I am also not advocating for hook up culture and casual sex. I don't believe we need casual sex to liberate us from traditional gender norms. I am also not against traditional roles because of tradition is bad but rather this specific tradition is harmful to individuals.

I believe the youth should be encouraged to experience healthy egalitarian serious relationship. The redpill is no ally to this idea from my understanding infact I would go far as to say they are the enemies who perpetuate hook up culture ideology.

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Title CMV: Redpill is not an ally to monogamy or romance especially in youths
Author roseonyxa
Upvotes 44
Comments 100
Date November 2, 2022 8:16 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 33 points34 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Their motto is "enjoy the decline". They don't care if its fair, they just don't take any responsibility for what sort of relationships are socially acceptable and whats considered morally good or not. The entire point of calling non promiscuous women unicorns is to say the women they want are rare bordering on impossible to get and getting them later or at all shouldn't be a primary goal.

Which makes sense since anyone that needs to be told this shit and read a fucking guide isn't having casual sex to begin with but also not exactly getting chaste girls either.

Theres also the fact that trying to impose how you think relationships "should" go won't work. If this was a change you COULD push for they already would have, but life doesn't work that way. A lot of people already prefer short term or casual or poly and trying to get in their business is not anyones job. If you can't make monogamy appeal to them with state sponsored tax benefits and a big party to make it official a bunch of nerds on reddit won't swing it any more. Enjoy the circumstance for what it is and don't act like an old church lady trying to enforce social standards.

[–]LowCredditL'table, c'est moi! 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which makes sense since anyone that needs to be told this shit and read a fucking guide isn't having casual sex to begin with but also not exactly getting chaste girls either.

That may be true today, but many moons ago, men used to just get into hookups and relationships and drift into marriage only to have the entire thing blow up on them. A large part of the original manosphere was married men trying to fix their marriages.

[–]tempbannedgastonistyour account has been suspended from Reddit for bullying 25 points26 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

a lot of red pillers believe in enjoying the decline, as far as they see it hookup culture and casual sex have already killed love and monogamy, so why not get whats yours

[–]hairy_bambooTouching grass is bullshit 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don't even have to be a full on redpiller to believe that. So many chicks I talked to wanted to take it slow, and moments later started talking about how they have fwbs and whatnot. As much as it disgusts me, I do appreciate their honesty xD

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's the problem with them they are defeatest who are conditioned to believe that not only change is impossible but that it's a sin to change the world into a better place. But don't be fooled blue pillers and the no pillers are the same. They are unable to self reflect and criticize dating culture in a deep and meaningful way and look down on people like me as if we mentally ill folks are inhumane, crazy, and insane. None of them wants change or to help people they just want to keep the status quo or brush it up a little maybe put a happy face sticker on it but that's it

[–]Asianarcher 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not that change is a sin. It’s that change is pointless. It’s a sin on the individual level the same way playing video games is to the red pill. Nothing wrong with it. You’re just wasting your time if you do it

[–]beleidigtewurst 20 points21 points  (79 children) | Copy Link

OK, to whom it may concern, a bit of actual FACTS:

Better-Educated Women Still Prefer Higher-Earning Husbands

...women continue to marry up in income, especially when they are more educated than their husbands.

Society still doesn't like the idea of stay-at-home dads

...suddenly the woman is working really, really hard and thinks the husband is sitting around with his feet up, and the man has seen his career fold and his ego is mush."

Remember all that "hard work at home"? See what happens to it being "hard" when it's man being the "housewive"? Curious phenomena, ain't it?

[–]liefelijk 2 points3 points  (75 children) | Copy Link

It takes time for society to change. Actually give it time.

For the first one, I expect to see women looking for “providers” as long as companies fail to provide paid maternity leave and childcare remains without government subsidy. It also matters how society views maternity and paternity leave. If you want kids, you unfortunately need to consider paying for maternity leave and who will provide their first year of care. For a lot of biological reasons, that’s typically the mother.

After the first few months, if you don’t want to be a stay at home dad, don’t. But don’t assume that how you feel about it is how the world feels. Paternity leave and stay at home dads are becoming much more accepted (and that’s a good thing).

[–]Da_Famous_Anus 10 points11 points  (57 children) | Copy Link

This would require women wanting less. When’s this gonna happen?

[–]beleidigtewurst 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Likely never.

[–]liefelijk 0 points1 point  (55 children) | Copy Link

You should sit down and do the math, considering that childcare for multiple kids costs $15k-50k yearly, depending on your location and childcare type.

[–]Cobra_x30 9 points10 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Or... you could just stay at home and raise the kids. Do you really need Gucci shit?

[–]Da_Famous_Anus 2 points3 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

So, there is not wanting less.

Confirmed.

Thanks for making my point for me.

But like you said, we just wait and give it time right?

People got jokes.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Not really the change between feudalism to capitalism was rather a quick one. The amount of progress done by capitalism was huge in a short amount of time. I am not sure what you are trying to say about paternity leave here but I do support it and stay at home dads.

[–]liefelijk -2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

It took much longer than 50 years. The same will be true for acceptance of stay at home dads and paternity leave.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yeah under capitalism that's why if we kick the rich out and take power for ourselves we can change the world. Unless you are one of those who thinks it's sin to change the world especially in a way like this which has been done in the past exhibit American revolution and will happen again regardless of how feel about it.

[–]beleidigtewurst 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I expect to see women looking for “providers” as long as companies fail to provide paid maternity leave

All that reasoning is bust by the Hypergamy phenomena. Women earning more demand MORE.

[–]liefelijk -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How do you make anything when you aren’t working? If you take off time to have children, you don’t want your family’s lifestyle to completely change.

[–]beleidigtewurst 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How do you make anything when you aren’t working?

Remind me, what are people "making" when working?

[–]OwOFemboyUwU 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems to have changed extremely rapidly for women in their benefit, but not to the benefit of any man at all. Why should any man respect the new changes if they themselves do not reap its benefit due to female hypocrisy and solipsism?

[–]liefelijk -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many things have changed to benefit men, as well. Suicide statistics over time show that life wasn’t always rosy for men.

Being the sole provider for your family, losing your health early due to unsafe labor practices, having to use prostitutes if you wanted to have sex before marriage, and not having any time to be with your family sounds pretty bad to me.

Having a partner to share the financial burden is a great thing. That’s a luxury that men in the past didn’t have. They had to save up and work really hard until they could actually afford a wife.

[–]InfoVariety-8842 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Remember all that "hard work at home"? See what happens to it being "hard" when it's man being the "housewive"? Curious phenomena, ain't it?

Yup this supports my idea that domestic bickering is an outlet for unmotivated spouses. They have nothing going, no career, no prospects, no goals. Who can blame them? They are a parent now, and therefore permitted to abandon all other expectations. What a surprise they find this life totally unfulfilling. But WHAT IF I TOLD YOU that your spouse is the source of all your problems? Wouldn’t that be a satisfying explanation for your inner depression? They’re the problem, not the fact that your entire life purpose is babysitting one kid.

[–]beleidigtewurst -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uppercase words are used as lazy man's "bold", it isn't shouting.

Who can blame them? They are a parent now, and therefore permitted to abandon all other expectations.

Yeah. I mean. Poor Frau Gates. Poor Frau Bezos. Poor Frau Musk.

therefore permitted to abandon all other expectations.

The thought that people (and women in particular) have the expectations Feminists preach they have is as close to reality as Feminist expectations from half a century ago, that we'd have about 50/50 split in, say, plumbers.

Reality doesn't care about dubious theories of nazi minded people incapable of discourse

(It struck me, that most "feminist debates" resemble girl on girl bullying, e.g. R. Gay vs Christina Sommers, what an embarrassment)

Women still try to marry up. Women who are on THE TOP of the social ladder, even MORE so.

The higher the husbands income, the higher the chances of woman shrinking her working hours or quitting job altogether

I call it entitlement.

all your problems

Lol, instant personal attack, let me guess: US "liberal"? I'm shocked. Shocked! Chuckle. No, not really shocked.

[–]Choice_Ad_6230 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My advice to most men is dont date now. Just self improve. if youre in your mid to late 20s/early 30s- know that the market is littlerally forecasting the 30year old modern woman winter. Just bide your time, build your castle and rejoin when you have leverage. Women are learning that certain lies told to them by feminism and modern woman dating strategies are headed to tragedy. Things are changing, dont expose yourself to the BS right now. Work on yourself.

[–]Bubbly_Taro 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This post could use 3 paragraphs.

You can believe that you should live monogamy when you are in a committed relationship and consider being promiscuous before that fair game.

Your point of hypocrisy is irrelevant. Everyone is a hypocrite to some extend. The only people that say otherwise don't recognize their own hypocrisy. Plus you can be a shithead and still make others think you are virtuous.

As for "Betraying the values of "monogamy and romance", this point is incredibly vague. Plus these concepts only have as much value as a human ascribes to them. Person A being a manwhore fucking 10 virgins a day does not decrease the meaning of these words for person B.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you for feed back I divided my post into 3 paragraphs now.

That's why we have others call us out on our hypocrisy. I am not saying I am immutable from being a hypocrite myself but I welcome people to call me out on it and I am getting better at recognizing it.

Do you want me to define the values of monogamy and romance to you at least my interpretation of said values?

[–]mumblebumblegrumble 6 points7 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

I don't know to what extent this ideal is redpill, any way, the ideal for men seems to be men being able to have casual sex in their youth with prime age women(18 to 30) until they are ready to settle down in their 30s, also with a prime age woman(18 to 30) that has a low to 0 body count.

This does not seem possible given the female population.

[–]mumblebumblegrumble 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

From the responses to my comments, it would seem redpill is not a movement per se to be allied for or against men actively doing something collectively to change dating/marriage/relationship dynamics.

With present input I now see redpill as mostly a place for men disgruntled with how things are for them to vent to each other mostly and secondary to that give advice.

[–]soulangelic 4 points5 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

And that’s the flaw — redpill men want to sleep around with women, but they don’t want women to sleep around.

But if redpill men are sleeping around, who exactly are they sleeping around with?

[–]mumblebumblegrumble 9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It raises questions like sooo is there supposed to be a group of women to be basically concubines for sex and those ones don't deserve love, relationships and marriage that are just there to be used for sex all their lives?

Then the second group that are there to marry at a young age to the older men ready to settle down? Doesn't sound good for women of either group honestly.

[–]soulangelic 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, it sure doesn’t. Which is why that kind of mindset is not only really stupid, but also actually unsustainable.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you!

[–]AUG-UAA-UAG-UGA 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes, women who have casual sex are more likely to cheat, divorce, and have mental problems. They are not fit for marriage, and only a foolish man would make that his wife. Somebody who spent their 20s fucking random men will likely continue that habit throughout life. Also I find promiscuous women disgusting tbh I am biologically repulsed by it. There are women to have fun with and women to make wives. Kind of how some women don't want to marry a fuckboy same concept.

Why any man would marry a woman that is likely to cheat on him , thinks about her past CHADS while in the relationship, less satisfied with his sexual performance, doesn't value intimacy in sex is beyond me . A failed marriage for a man means his house is gone and he's a part time father .

[–]--EndLessOrochi--So Red so Godly -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It raises questions like sooo is there supposed to be a group of women to be basically concubines for sex and those ones don't deserve love, relationships and marriage that are just there to be used for sex all their lives?

Yes.

Then the second group that are there to marry at a young age to the older men ready to settle down?

The red pill is an individualist solution, not a societal one. Socially you would want these women to have relationships and/or marriage with other men their age or older while young. Unfortunately since that's not what's happening and there is no way to change that, men adapt and employ the red pill.

[–]mumblebumblegrumble 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The fact that because birth rates are going down, each generation there are fewer women aging up into that prime age range men like and men do not age out of wanting that female group so with passing time there are more and more men competing for the prime women.

This raises another question for me, Is redpill male competition focused enough to address that?

[–]Kay_Lore1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m curious on where the line is between these two types of women. At what point do you become the first group, and what makes you worthy of the second?

[–]OwOFemboyUwU 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The redpill doesn’t talk about what is “supposed to be”. The entire point of it is accepting realitt for what it currently is and from that only maximizing your own gain.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly this they are not romantics like me or those who want relationships at a young age. They are no allies they are part of the problem

[–]The9thElementradical feminist 5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Madonna whore idea. There’s women they can sleep with and women they can marry, but none that they can sleep with AND marry.

[–]LikelyHungover1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

There's women with poise, dignity, intelligence and beauty who were raised well in a stable household.

Then there's women who grab dudes by the hand and lead them to the guys toilets to suck them off.

One of those is a potential wife, the other isn't. And we can tell too. Just like you can tell about guys.

I'm sorry if that upsets you.

[–]soulangelic 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The difference in women isn’t what is upsetting, it’s the fact that you as a redpill man would go along with both of those women eagerly while simultaneously shaming one and praising the other.

[–]--EndLessOrochi--So Red so Godly 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that they can sleep with AND marry.

... What? Since when? Men have no problem desiring their wives.

There aren't women that OTHERS can sleep with that the man wants to marry.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Toxic masculinity truely ruined masculinity sigh

[–]JiifuhTVOcky💫 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Toxic masculinity doesn't apply to the way you used it

[–]Chalkie_Average guy 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Redpill men love women that sleep around. Hoes are their favourite.

They just will never wife one.

[–]soulangelic -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Really? Because it doesn’t seem like they speak fondly of them….ever.

[–]Chalkie_Average guy 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes. I think your confusing bitter reddit incels for red pill guys.

If you watch any red pill content creators they love promiscuous women. Fresh and fit or Tate are good examples. They'd never wife one though.

[–]--EndLessOrochi--So Red so Godly 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

This does not seem possible given the female population.

The red pill is an individualist solution, not a societal one. YOU will be able to get what you want, most men wont.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

That's the problem with redpillers, blue pillers, liberals, and conservatives you all hyperfixate on individuals and individuality. Go live in the woods by yourself and do everything by yourself no help. That means you got to build your own home, grow your own food, and keep yourself entertained without interacting with anyone else. Can you do it to prove you are a big strong independent man. Let me ask you this, who built your house, who grew your foods, who wrote that self help book, you built and designed your gym, who taught you to read? I apologize the hostility not directed towards you but towards individualists in general.

[–]--EndLessOrochi--So Red so Godly 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They fixate on the individualist solution because there isn't a realistic societal one.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are realistic societal solutions it's just you folks are not smart enough to recognize it or brave enough to imagine it. You are all too busy cowering in fear and throwing pitty parties. You are all just swarming defeatists and pessemist. You are the rot that is rotting the world and preventing any meaningful change. I am sorry you are not creative enough or imaginative enough to even dream of a better world but don't you fucking dare drage the rest of us to your hopeless dying world

[–]Haunting_Afternoon62 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is probably why it takes so long for men to get their act together and settle down. They haven't figured out what it takes to have a successful relationship because they weren't having any. The maturity is 10 years behind.

[–]LiLaLauneLain 15 points16 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Red pill is an eye-opener. Most women in their youth are not looking for a monogamy romance. They want their hoe phase with toxic assholes that are 'interestsing' . Men need red pill to understand that it is not their failure, it is just how (most) women are. So stop working on your carrer and yourself while staying on the sideline until these women are ready to settle. Become the toxic assholes they are so desperately looking for. As a man that made this exact failure I wish for nothing more thean turning time back and having these Infos I have today in my early 20's.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why do I keep hear mixed messages some people say most people don't hook up while others like you say most people are hooking. So what is it actually?

[–]bluestjuicePeople are wrong on the internet! 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Probably most people hook up sometimes while on the prowl for the next perfect future partner.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf

[–]AUG-UAA-UAG-UGA 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you couldn't have said it better.

[–]The9thElementradical feminist 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Comments like this make me realize just how much the internet is fucking with people’s view of reality. You honestly think that most young women deliberately seek out asshole men and sleep around for this purpose, lmao okay.

[–]Chalkie_Average guy 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can say this but red pill advice works. Turning from a nice guy into a asshole can dramatically improve your game.

It might not work for YOU personally but it works for a large majority of women. Trust me I don't want to be a asshole I'd rather be nice but it gets you nowhere.

[–]Cobra_x30 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

. You honestly think that most young women deliberately seek out asshole men and sleep around for this purpose, lmao okay.

Any serious person admits that this is a true dynamic. They don't wake up every morning thinking... "Today I will finally find someone to abuse me"... instead they look for the guy from 50 Shades and when it turns out he is an abusive asshole they are always shocked... even though they went looking for exactly that.

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't matter if its deliberate or not, just what the effects and results are. If its an u conscious action or a calculated plan, the ending is the same.

[–]OwOFemboyUwU 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It isn’t the internet. I’ve seen it firsthand, in real life.

[–]Inexperienced__128 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

where and how?

[–]bluestjuicePeople are wrong on the internet! 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ehhh, yeah, no I don’t think that’s it. Young women want romance and are not preoccupied with holding out for The One but are also more often than not serially monogamous.

In addition to being not a monolith.

[–]w1se_old_treetreepilled 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Redpill is not an ally to monogamy or romance

Yeah no shit Sherlock.

it encourages men to be promiscuous in their youths and settle down with a women who isn't promiscuous

It encourages men to be promiscuous and keep their options open their entire sexually active lives, and discourages "settling down" with a woman. It especially discourages marriage. It seems clear to me that you haven't even read TRP content and base your views of TRP off of what it's detractors say.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

So Red Pill isn't TradCon?

Well yeah, we've been saying that.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't call myself a tradcon and we aren't traditionalist. Why is it traditional to want monogamy and life long commitment at young age. These things are new to humanity and to all of life in general. Think about all the animals that are alive only like 5 percent are monogamous. And they want to take that away from us and want to go back to living like these animals in orgy balls?

[–]Laytheblameonluck -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's traditionalism.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

No it's not how the fuck is it traditional, polyamory and casual sex is way more traditional

[–]Laytheblameonluck 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

How?

[–]bigdaveyl 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You do realize that men and women are wired differently in regards to sex?

I'm not advocating poor behavior but it's not true hypocrisy either.

[–]Haunting_Afternoon62 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are they? They seem equal when we are young kids. Boys also wanna wait for that special someone. Really young boys don't wanna see porn. But circumcision has altered their brain, they are desensitized down there and now hooked on porn and hook up culture because of peer pressure. But I know who they are in the beginning. Then they become brain washed.

[–]happy-doofus -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If men and women have psychological and physiological differences, then prescribing different behavior isn't inherently hypocritical.

"Hookup culture" is just women being women. Maybe 5% of men participate. So don't go blaming TRP for the invention of birth control.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

How is women just being women creating hook up culture.

[–]ApplesauceThegod 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Y'all choose who gets to have sex which is why it's crazy to think that men and women are equal and that if men just acted like women and had standards like women and everything will be okay. But that's why because men and women aren't the same

A woman can be at any socioeconomic level and still find love sex and romance but my man I still have some type of value in order to have sex. If we're talking about casual sex then it does not make sense to why a guy has to earn so much money or outperform because it's just sex but you can see how even with that standard a lot of girls still want traditionalism from men but we are not allowed to expect you to still behavior from them

And 18 year old boy with no money and no car can't expect to not have as much success with girls. And 18 year old girl with no money and no car it's not going to have any problems finding men because men are not going to reject her because she's lacking in a car

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am not a women I am a man. Look I hear mixed stuff from what women want. Some say all women are sluts, most are sluts, not all women hook up, most women don't hook up. So what the fuck is it then cause idk and y'all aren't helping.

[–]happy-doofus -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Roughly 30% of young men are virgins. So at least a third of us have nothing to do with hookup culture to any degree, not even a toe in the pool. How many women can say that? (Thats ignoring all the guys who touched 1 woman once.)

Men want to fuxk, women want to fuxk. But it's women doing all the choosing, and they choose from a teeny-tiny pool of guys. Guys would love to be involved in Hookup culture, they're just unable to.

[–]Haunting_Afternoon62 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao wtf am I reading...its the women who are hoes now?

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[–]SmilesLikeMardiGrasseriously, like have you seen my silhouette SHEESH 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

no fucking shit?

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill -1 points0 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

So, he’s against the redpill cause we all need Jesus or something?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

I am not religious at all my friend. How quick you are to jump to conclusions your cognitive biases are showing here my dear friend.

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill -1 points0 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Then what’s the point of disparaging “hookup culture”.

Like i get why my religious part of the family didn’t like it. But if there’s no “faith based” element. What’s wrong with young people enjoying themselves and figuring out what they want in life before settling down?

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You are liberals so you won't understand me or anyone who has OCD. You neurotypical liberals aren't so progressive. You mock and call people on the other side insane or crazy and dehumanize us. You will never understand us as a liberal or conservative. Your ideologies both liberals and conservatives are part of the reason we have problems in society. The way you asked your questions is definitely a load question. I know people like you like to pick on us, to me your nothing but a highschool bully that never grew up. I am not going to answer your question you aren't entitled to one

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Stay at home dads and primary parent fathers are rad. I've got mad respect for them doing good on their kid even society hasn't fully come to normalize it yet.

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[–]New-Context831 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

woman ditched monogamy until it suits them, we men just adjust

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No you don't?

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[–]OwOFemboyUwU 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Romance” is a scam for men, and it seems you fell for it. The redpill is simply trying to show you that.

Romance consists of elaborate courtship rituals to woo the other, and women do pretty much no courtship - the entire burden of it falls on men. It’s more accurate to say men do the romancing while women get romanced - why would a man want this deal if he can get the same benefit without the cost of “doing the romancing”?

[–]prizefighterstudent 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I came upon the RP in my first-year of college after a string of hook-ups then coming up dry. I was pretty impressed with the knowledge, and like many, not satisfied with my dating life. I found many of the tactics worked, and even if they didn't, they were presented in a logical way.

At the same time, I have witnessed the fall of the RP in real time. Tons of "gurus" and PUA's have been exposed, the "wall" certainly isn't as real as it's made out to be, and treating women like shit to open their legs up is a wild card at best, and only works for Chads at its worst.

But perhaps the biggest proof of the RP's failure has been the exodus into these tangential communities, including PPD, the blackpill, and self-improvement. It turns out that:

  1. Looks are swiftly becoming the most significant factor when it comes to dating
  2. Treating dating in a reactionary, selfish, and transactional way that dehumanizes women isn't the move for a vast majority of guys, and certainly not conducive to happy relationships

I have hope for most dudes based on my travels, but things are not looking great for the average man in the West. These dudes will continue to find and buy into the RP because it keeps them angry and keeps them focused. As OP alluded to: RP was never meant to fix the problem, and is rather a symptom of a very sick culture which simultaneously pedestalizes and demonizes male sexual activity at every nook and cranny.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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