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[–]trueorfalsedmitryred despite the handle23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago (29 children) | Copy Link
But if you think everything in life should come that easy to you because you have a Y chromosome, well...you’re not average.
So, which is it? Are women "just people," and, therefore, not trophies to be won and striven for? Or, is pussy so unbelievably valuable and magical that significant effort to achieve it is a virtue?
Both cannot be true.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
Are women "just people," and, therefore, not trophies to be won and striven for?
Yep.
Here’s the deal for the socially impaired: humans are social beings. Everything about our lives and the societies we’ve created revolves around humans getting along and cooperating with each other. everything from friendships to family to commerce to religion to politics to sex and relationships has the fundamental benchmark of humans agreeing that this is how we’re going do this and each of us has to learn how to fit into the resulting social engine that makes it happen.
Tl;dr people aren’t that interested in being your friend, girlfriend, sexual partner, supervisor, co worker, business partner, etc if you have a shit personality. It may seem unfair to you but that’s how it is.
No, women are not trophies to be won and you shouldn’t base your self esteem on their approval. at the same time, if you want to be part of that human social network, you have to learn how to get along with and be appealing to people. The trick is to find your boundaries, the point where just being pleasant to be around crosses over into unreasonable expectations.
Expecting you to charm like George clooney is unreasonable. The base level of decent social skills and self awareness is not unreasonable. If you think it is, you're free to opt out.
[–]trueorfalsedmitryred despite the handle16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
The base level of decent social skills and self awareness is not unreasonable.
This is, of course, obviously true. The notion that this is not understood by any man who observes that the vast majority (yes, vast majority) of his peers are, to first approximation, non-sexual beings in women's eyes is just shitty pontificating.
More to the point:
Tl;dr people aren’t that interested in being your friend, girlfriend, sexual partner, supervisor, co worker, business partner, etc if you have a shit personality.
Bullshit. Lots of men who are human trash have people wanting to be their sexual partner and/or girlfriend. These men need not be in the top 1-2% of physical attractiveness. All they have to be is attractive and hyper-social. Being hyper-social does not make your personality "good." It just means it's always on display.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Lots of men who are human trash have people wanting to be their sexual partner and/or girlfriend.
Perhaps they're women who have shit personalities too?
Never thought of that one, huh?
[–]trueorfalsedmitryred despite the handle7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So? How does that have anything to do with what men have to do (according to you; you are not wrong in thinking this, BTW).
Moreover: This is nonsense and you know it. These men are attractive to women, period. Women should fuck who they find attractive.
[–]_derekhawkins4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I am an asshole and my girlfriend is the farthest thing from it. She’s never swore, raised her voice, etc. I am just really good looking. LMFAO all your posts are wrong
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yes because the whole world is identical to you and your girlfriend.
Would also be interested to see a less biased interpretation of her personality. If you thought she has a shit personality, pretty sure you wouldn’t be with her, am I right?
Which actually kind of proves my point.
[–]_derekhawkins4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I mean you don’t know anyone from Toronto Ontario but if you do and they know my girlfriend they’d confirm for her. What part of “she doesn’t swear or yell” reveal bias from me? She was like this long before I knew who she was
[–]badgersonice3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
There’s way more ways to be an asshole than using dirty words, and plenty of people who say naughty words who are awesome people. Whether a person let’s themself say the work “fuck” doesn’t tell us anything about whether they’re an asshole or not.
[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Being shy and quiet is unnattractive to women. Does this mean shy guys have bad personalities?
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No. Being a whiny abrasive asshole who blames women/feminists/society/etc for their own failures is a shit personality. And we have a lot of this around here.
[–]MercedesBenzoAMGThe Chaddict1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are completely right. Your OP is a breath of fresh air and I've said these exact same things to the incel guys of Reddit so many times and they always find ways to hamster it as you can see for yourself.
But your observations are plainly correct. I had some angry guy say to me just yesterday "most men are incels." I told him he was projecting and he downvoted me. These guys are everywhere on PPD. It's almost like they never go outside or something...
[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. There is a lot of it around here, sometimes I've been guilty of it, (not really feminism I don't feel like anything they preach affects me much, my dating woes are more about being quiet, shy, and introverted) but don't extrapolate PPD people onto the general population.
[–]oneprettycoolcat7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Hahahahahahaha no. Women don't care if you are literally a nazi as long as you look good.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
There aren’t female neo Nazis? Pretty sure we’ve got one on this sub.
[–]oneprettycoolcat11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yes, I am sure the likelihood of those Tinder girls being neo-nazis rather than just not caring because the guy is hot is high.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Some probably do, some do not. Why do you care about a woman who excuses a racist bigot because he’s hot? You’re jealous because you wish they wanted you too?
So basically a woman who overlooks a neo Nazi because he’s hot is immoral, but a man who overlooks a woman who would fuck a neo Nazi because shes hot is not.
Do I have that right?
[–]oneprettycoolcat4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Why do you care about a woman who excuses a racist bigot because he’s hot?
Because you made the statement:
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Didn't realize I needed to specify people who don't have shit personalities aren't interested in people with shit personalities, but apparently that wasn't obvious to you.
[–]oneprettycoolcat8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Given that it isn't what you said, no, you're just moving the goalposts.
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[–]unicorns-Married Feminist0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Female Nazis exist. I don't find it hard to believe that a Nazi could make a Tinder profile and find 4 women who are sympathetic to those views who would respond to him.
[–]trail220 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah the men I know who date more dont have better personalities. Maybe they have more relatiomships but at least as I define a person I enjoy talking to , they dont have a better personalty. They are usually just better looking.
[–]Freevoulous1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
yes it can. Women are people. Impressing people takes skill and skill takes work. It is no different from a job interview.
[–]GrumpyOldHistoricist51 points52 points53 points 4 years ago2 (40 children) | Copy Link
Any time you’re dealing with reality as it’s presented in popular media versus reality as it’s actually lived versus reality as it’s perceived (IE the second as filtered through internalizations of the first) things are going to get really complicated.
To begin with, the norm of dating/hookup culture as it’s presented in the first category is basically dudes slaying pussy left and right until the girl that’s perfect for them comes along and they settle down. And for the dudes who aren’t plowing everything that comes their way, a good quality woman eventually comes along and sees just how above average he really is and throws herself at him.
This, of course, isn’t how it’s actually lived. Most dudes are not out there crushing gash all day every day. Men may have more partners on average, but that’s because a few men have absurdly high numbers. Hookup culture favors an elite minority of men and they throw off the numbers. Similarly, dating apps favor the same minority. And with apps now being the default of how people meet, this leaves a lot of men out in the cold. Including average men. Apps force the majority of women to compete for a minority of men. Smart women will eventually realize this and start hunting in the wild and eventually find one of the dudes who’s less likely to be selected on an app, but shit feels bad for the guys until then and when it finally does happen it feels more like being settled for than the romantic scenario from the previous paragraph.
The third category is where things get really sticky. Unfortunately for all of us, the human psyche isn’t independent, autonomous, or created ex nihilo. It’s an internal coagulation of external elements. This becomes especially acute in a media saturated environment. Most people spend more time watching porn or movies and TV shows about romance than they do fucking and dating. This means their ideas of normalcy are largely defined by fiction. Not living up to these unrealistic expectations feels like deviance and failure. Even if it’s actually normal. People are generally wont to admit weakness so they don’t talk to one another and find out how common their unpleasant experiences really are (see also Americans’ ideas of what economically average is versus the fact that 78% of them live paycheck to paycheck).
You’re in your 40s and off the market. The dating realm has radically changed in the past decade or so. It’s always been the social milieu where Darwinian selection processes have been the least mediated, but it’s gotten even less filtered than it was when you and I were young. Listen to people when they tell you their experiences. Discussions like the ones on PPD are the beginnings of people taking back the discourse and demanding that generally held ideas of normalcy and averageness actually align with lived experience. Sure it’s sometimes ugly, clumsy, and not entirely coherent, but give it some time and some room and it should get more nuanced and refined.
[–]lukeyj_gtfc9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
How can men have more partners on average unless they're having sex with other men?
If 1 guy sleeps with 20 women, 19 men sleep with 0 and 20 women sleep with 1 man, the average is 1 across a population of 20.
Am I being dumb to suggest it's mathematically impossible?
I think the truth is in the fact that men exaggerate their number by 3 and women divide it by 3. Women and men sleep with the same amount of people on average. That's if we're taking mean and not median.
[–]Naebany5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Maybe they are just counting people that actually did have sex? So when there are more sexless men than women, the men that have sex have it with more partners on average.
[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I say this every time the topic comes up and still nobody gets it. Math is hard, apparently.
[–]chaddad90002 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
That's if we're taking mean and not median.
Its median, but most redditors took the shortbus to school.
[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
It's not median. It's not median at all. The claim was "average", meaning add the scores and divide by players. Besides, median for men should be lower than women, considering the tiny number of men with four or five-digit n-counts driving the mean for men way higher, and incels dragging the median down.
Edit for when your CDC link gets removed. From your source:
Median number of opposite-sex partners in lifetime among sexually experienced men and women aged 25-44 years of age 2002, 2006-2010 and 2011-2015
The comment above said "average", not median, and the reply speculated that it only counted people who actually had sex. The actual study wasn't mentioned at all; the discussion was about the "average" claim. I guess I'm a fun guy for staying on topic.
[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
purge week isn't here yet. Reported.
[–]Barneysparky2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
How many men does 1 prostitute sleep with?
[–]TwentyX41 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
You're generally right that the average number of sexual partners for heterosexual men and women will be around the same number (a few things can throw this off, but I doubt those things are going on).
I think the truth is in the fact that men exaggerate their number by 3 and women divide it by 3.
It's not that bad. Some studies have looked at this and they discovered (using lie detector tests, anonymous surveys, etc) that men are mostly honest about their partner count. Women reduce their partner count by 30% or something like that. Also, men tend to count oral sex in their partner count. Women tend to ignore oral sex in their partner count (probably because they want a lower count and there's a plausible argument for ignoring oral sex; and vice-versa for men). I'll see if I can find that study.
Edit: Here's the study https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3936-fake-lie-detector-reveals-womens-sex-lies/
[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
What?
If you have 100 men and 100 women, it’s entirely possible to have a uneven distribution of sex partners.
Imagine 80 women sleep with only 20 of the men, while some of the men remain celibate. I’m not saying this is how it is in real life, but it’s certainly possible.
20 men have a partner count of 80.
80 men have a partner count of zero.
Average partner count is then 16 for men.
[–]lukeyj_gtfc2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You're missing the point. For every heterosexual sexual encounter, the is a man that has sex and 1 woman that has sex. If the population of men and women are the same, then if sex happens 50,000 times. 50,000 is divided by number of men and number of women and if those population sizes are the same, it's the same average.
Yes, it can be skewed differently and unevenly distributed, but the average will be the same unless the sample size is not indicative of the general population. That would be a poor research study. Whether it's evenly distributed, or skewed, average should remain exactly the same. If you ignore or discard virgins and the weightings, it's a crap study.
The conclusion being that the study that suggests average (mean) are different is horseshit. It only indicates reported averages are different. You can conclude either that either memory or honesty is incorrect. It's a study of perception, not reality.
[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I just explained to you how the averages can be different if the distribution is uneven.
Do you even math?
[–]lukeyj_gtfc2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Average partner count for men and women was both 16. Even with different distributions, the average was the same.
[–]TwentyX41 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
No, you've got it wrong. If 20 men (each) sleep with 80 women, then men and women both have an average partner count of 16.
Here's the math:
20% of men x 80 women = 0.2 x 80 = 16 partners on average for men.
80% of women x 20 men = 0.8 x 20 = 16 partners of average for women.
Men and women will have the same average number of partners.
[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah I see what he means. My mistake.
Why do you even try to argue math with men? That's like men trying to argue about cream, eggshell or ivory: which off-white shade would look best on the walls in the foyer? We don't know; we defer to the one with the knack for it.
[–]NigroqueSimillima1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Uh no it's not.
Average Men's Count = Sum of each men's partner count / Numbers of Men
80/100 = .8, same as the womens.
[–]Goingprorogue9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
but give it some time and some room and it should get more nuanced and refined.
This is such a good reply, but I really think the ultimate expression of the reality we are living in is pretty straightforward:
There is a line.
If you're above the line already, your gifts are magnified
If you're below the line, you must work to get above it
That is the question that plagues each and every one of us: in a world where so many of my needs can be met so easily, how hard am I willing to work to get above the line for whatever need I have that isn't being easily met?
There is a line. If you're above the line already, your gifts are magnified If you're below the line, you must work to get above it
Related:
“The talent of many a man appears less than it is because he has always set himself too great tasks.”
[–]BelieveinyourflynessPurple Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
Apps force the majority of women to compete for a minority of men.
How exactly are women being forced to compete for said minority???
I think it's more the other way around. The majority of women willfully pursue a minority of men which in turn forces men to compete for a minority of women.
[–]GrumpyOldHistoricist2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
In the wild, women consider a far larger number of men attractive. All those things women tell you they find attractive other than looks? They’re not lying. They mean it. But almost none of them translate on the apps. Apps create a selective environment hostile to the typical inclinations of most women, thereby creating a population of users in which a minority of men get laid and a minority of women find relationships (they’re competing to lock down one of the few dudes who’s banging everyone). Apps are awful for pretty much everyone.
[–]BelieveinyourflynessPurple Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
But my point is, it's still women who willfully choose which guys to go for on these apps. Nobody is forcing them
[–]GrumpyOldHistoricist2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
No, but as terps are fond of saying, you can’t negotiate attraction. Women go for men they find attractive. And most men aren’t attractive on the apps. Even ones who are sufficiently appealing offline. Apps becoming the norm for how people find partners is a recipe for widespread unhappiness.
[–]BelieveinyourflynessPurple Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
What is your age, gender and pill alignment?
[–]GrumpyOldHistoricist0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
[–]BelieveinyourflynessPurple Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You're 40 years old and were very successful on dating apps, where you just explained how it's all about looks?
Are you like, Bradley Cooper or Jason Momoa or something?
[–]GrumpyOldHistoricist0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Depending on the app, it’s about having some combination of three main things: looks that photograph well, height, and writing ability.
I’m over 6’5” and my profile was really funny.
[–]BelieveinyourflynessPurple Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ahh. We 5'6" guys don't have that privilege.
Also, writing ability. I used to do well in my English essays back in high school because I'd always discuss philosophical ideas which I'm good at. But when it comes to coming up with general banter in day to day interactions, I suck.
[–]Freevoulous2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
that’s because a few men have absurdly high numbers. Hookup culture favors an elite minority of men and they throw off the numbers.
This is so often repeated on PPD, but do we know of ANY scientific studies that confirm this? This should be fairly easy to research, and yet, I had not seen a single proof of that being the case.
[–]NigroqueSimillima2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
GSS data shows higher variance for men's number of sexual partner than women's.
[–]MercedesBenzoAMGThe Chaddict0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Most people spend more time watching porn or movies and TV shows about romance than they do fucking and dating. This means their ideas of normalcy are largely defined by fiction.
You make an interesting point and if you haven't already I think you'd enjoy watching this by Charlie Brooker (creator of Black Mirror) he does a good analysis and criticism of how TV fucks with people's expectations in love (he also has other episodes of that series where he talks about how TV fucks with other parts of your life, but the one about love is obviously relevant on PPD).
However imo you can't put this all on TV. While the media has some level of influence over us and our expectations, it should not, in a regular healthy individual, blind us to reality. For example if you watched a movie where everyone was paired up by a computer program you would see quite clearly that is fiction because it does not line up with what you see and experience.
Likewise if you watch movies where everyone is getting laid 24/7 but then you look around and see that does not correspond to reality, this is where most people can separate reality from fiction.
The problem incels have is misery loves company and they attract friends in similar situations to themselves. They have a distorted view of reality not so much because of media, but because of the people they choose to surround themselves with in real life and on their forums too.
If I surrounded myself with millionaires it may be I end up living in a bubble where I think everyone has it that good. If I surrounded myself with players I may think the same of the SMP.
Likewise if I surrounded myself with lonely incels and this is all I saw in my social circle I may end up thinking that is what is "average."
TL;DR: I think our social circle has far more influence over our perceptions of reality than the media.
[–]ScootsScoots14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think theres way too many guys out there who dont have the basics covered that have no right to whine about their lack of pussy.
If you dont: 1. Support yourself 2. Have a full time job 3. Have your own place 4. Have your own vehicle except in a major city 5. Have friends 6. BATHE 7. Dress like an adult 8. Keep your fat fucking beer gut in check 9.Talk to other adults like an adult
Then you have no right to complain. You're a child and dont deserve to get laid.
Be employed, be social, dont be fat, act like a man. So simple. Turn off your anime til you figure it out.
[–]ResponsibleCharacter7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you, holy shit, THESE BE THE FACTS
or they can get with women of equal value: generally obese, also living at home, can't support themselves, no car etc
[–]MercedesBenzoAMGThe Chaddict4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Some of this is right but it depends on your age.
Most of these guys calling themselves "incels" are only like 18-21. Some are even younger than that.
If you are 18-21 you don't even need to have your own place or a full time job or drive. As long as you are doing something (in education, part time work, etc) that is enough. The bar is set really low when you are a young adult these days because it's difficult for everyone to save and move out.
Especially if you are at university. No one in full time education expects other students to have their shit together yet. Uni is the easiest place ever to get laid.
All they gotta do is the last few points on your list. Wash, dress and groom half-reasonably, not be fat, go out and socialise. But they can't even keep with those low expectations is the sad thing.
Man I was pulling girls even when I worked in a supermarket. Give me a bit of Xanax and I will probably be flirting with any cute girl I see too. I was notorious for it and sometimes got them on Insta. The supervisors even joked about it and gave me knowing looks etc. Had a laugh at that place sometimes.
But I wasn't fat and I showered daily and groomed myself half-reasonably and was social. All this shit so simple.
[–]ScootsScoots0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Man, all that to say something obvious.
Young people live with their parents still.....it doesnt need to be said mate, it's a given.
Only saying it because those young people are the primary audience here. They're the ones self-identifying with the "incel" label.
So I say that to make the point these "incels" have even less expectations than your list and they still give up.
I am agreeing with you by adding to your point.
[–]binkerfluid35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I do not believe you are sorry at all
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
You’re quick
[–]reluctantly_red35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
are 80% of your co-workers single virgins?
About 40% of the guys are.
[–]FerocNo Pill9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You have statistics about the sexual experience of your co-workers?
[–]jayval90PUAs are Blue Pilled1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That one doesn't require a statistician.
[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
lawyers? i wouldnt expect that
[–]Goingprorogue21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I think most lawyers are not the slick smooth talking types they show on TV. Think more like nerdy engineers who weren't that great at math lol.
[–]Hopeishereagain5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
On the okcupid study lawyers and doctors had highest swipe rates but engineers did not although they also have high incomes. I'm surprised. Lawyer is a top profession.
[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lawyer here. Lawyer is a top profession but a lot of male lawyers are beta herbs. A lot of female lawyers are shrill harpies with something to prove.
Has anyone seen the new season of Goliath that just came out? Holy shit, the young woman lawyer for the "bad guys" was just a perfect presentation, down to her pregnant belly and shrill vocal fry.
Lawyer is a top profession.
The average lawyer works for a highstreet law firm not a big corporate law firm.
The money is in the big corporate law firms. Most lawyers don't work at those. Only a small percentage do.
The rest practice various areas of law for the general public at highstreet firms and make roughly an average salary, maybe slightly above but not too high. A skilled self-employed plumber can easily earn more than the average lawyer (this btw is why class is a bad proxy for income).
I know people working in high end law firms and they gotta work hard to get in there, and gotta have luck or connections too. Most lawyers don't have any of that nor are willing to work the insane hours required. In those law firms they are expected to sleep in the office because they pull all nighters to get their work done. That's why they're paid so much.
Quite obviously the majority of people with a law degree don't do that. But you don't see average highstreet lawyers on TV because it'd be boring to watch.
I also know a couple of plumbers, one of them has retired early to invest in property in London. I guarantee he makes more money than the average lawyer, again keeping in mind the average lawyer is not at a top tier corporate law firm.
[–]TheJim66Red Pill Man1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know many lawyers.They are mostly awkward nerds.
[–]erman882 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Engineer?
[–]Nevergonnamemeyouup6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
>_> dont call me out like that
[–]reluctantly_red3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lawyers -- my former boss hired a lot of fat guys.
[–]randomizer3000yells at clouds22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
Very few of the posts I've seen have been "can't". It's more "the effort imbalance for the same outcome is ridiculous"
[–]SerorimanUnrepentant moid4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This exactly. A lot of men don't question this and pay through the ass for whatever they can still get, but more and more are getting out semi-voluntarily.
[–]randomizer3000yells at clouds3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yas, queen. Go get those free drinks!
[–]Freevoulous1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
what they do not talk about, is that the EFFORT itself is worth it. As it happens, the things that make a man attractive (fitness, social savvy, money, good grooming) are things that a man is SUPPOSED to be anyway, if he wants to have a decent, long life, good health, big and loyal friend group, healthy family, and pleasant work.
I mean, the standards of effort are even higher for gay men, and they obviously do not date women, and are 100% independent from the system of hetero dating.
[–]randomizer3000yells at clouds1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Everything you wrote is true. Doesn't change the fact that you can trip over the equivalent bar for women. Like idc, am doing that stuff anyway, but it is objectively imbalanced.
[–]Freevoulous3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
why should it be balanced and why does it matter anyway? You are objectively only competing with other men, and with yourself. It makes absolutely no practical difference for you what the acceptable bar for women is, since you have to self-improve to reach a certain level anyway, and at that level you will get laid/relationship.
[–]randomizer3000yells at clouds2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
why should it be balanced and why does it matter anyway?
This is is/ought fallacy. I'm saying that it is imbalanced(and that that is sometimes frustrating), not that I think anyone is at fault or "needs to change".
It makes absolutely no practical difference for you what the acceptable bar for women is, since you have to self-improve to reach a certain level anyway, and at that level you will get laid/relationship.
How do can you even come up with this? Do you think self-improvement is just something you decide how much to have and then it happens? It takes years to improve yourself in the ways that are relevant for guys, so it absolutely makes a difference.
[–]ColCrin78 points79 points80 points 4 years ago (244 children) | Copy Link
It may not be 80% of men being sexless, but the numbers are rising and I'd like to see you prove otherwise.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 49 points50 points51 points 4 years ago (140 children) | Copy Link
Your own source says 27%. I don’t have a BS engineering but I’m pretty sure 27% isn’t a majority nor does the bottom quartile represent average. The study doesn’t ask whether these men wanted a sexual partner and were trying or were opting out, correct?
[–]ColCrin35 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (129 children) | Copy Link
I said it's not 80%, it's not the majority. I pointed out that the numbers are rapidly rising.
The study doesn’t ask whether these men wanted a sexual partner and were trying or were opting out, correct?
I don't think that was a question, but it'd be very disingenuous to think say men suddenly stopped desiring sex and that explains everything.
[–]Will_StephensFemcel Larp29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
it doesn't matter if they still desire sex. they aren't chasing pussy like the rest of horny teenagers.
they aren't approaching ..and women rarely approach men ...hence they won't get sex
[–]ColCrin7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
You said they were content.
[–]Will_StephensFemcel Larp20 points21 points22 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
you can desire sex and still be content
people don't go crazy in a dry spell
[–]Nevergonnamemeyouup8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No but that's different to lifelong virginity
And people do seem way more agitated and miserable during said dry spells
[–]ColCrin7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You can speculate whether they're content or not, but the point of my reply is that while it's not 80% of men who are sexless, the numbers are still growing very fast.
The average she's talking about is actually getting closer and closer to becoming the true average.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (118 children) | Copy Link
No, but it’s entirely possible they stopped trying and opt instead for porn and video games.
[–]binkerfluid19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
why is it always "porn and video games" that is brought up?
[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
Those are easy scapegoats for when men aren’t behaving like society wants them to
[–]Barneysparky0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Or everyone here knows someone whose entire life revolves around video games.
[–]praisethesun799Yay !9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because they're accessible, quick fixes of exitement, low risk hobbies . Also no social skills required for the less socially gracious men
[–]NigroqueSimillima3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I don't know why you think they'd be content with porn and video games. We've seen a rise in angry incel violence, and a massive increase in pickup artist communities who study and practice on how to talk to women like it's a job, it seems like men are putting more, not less effort into getting laid.
[–]Jaktenba2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
We've seen a rise in angry incel violence,
No you haven't, you're just insanely ignorant of history.
[–]NigroqueSimillima1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Pray tell, what was the past history of incel violence that I'm insanely ignorant of?
[–]Jaktenba2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The entire history of mankind, where men have razed cities, killing the men and kidnap-raping the women. My point was more to the fact that all violence has been decreasing as a percentage of total population though, rather than specifically about incels, but it's there as well. You hear one or two stories from the media and suddenly think there's an epidemic.
[–]NigroqueSimillima0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think gang violence, alt-right violence, ISIS violence, and incel violence are all tied to the same phenomenon of low status young men that don't have much to lose taking a gamble.
[–]ColCrin14 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Because you know the mind of young 20 something men very well, right?
[–]Grek2714 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (91 children) | Copy Link
This is a reasonable alternative isn't it? Again why should men have to go out of their way in a desperate attempt to screw you?
Women are so entitled it's amazing.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (89 children) | Copy Link
No one said you have to go out of your way to screw me.
but if you think being an marginally interesting and tolerable person who showers and can put together an outfit, carry on a conservation and flirt is too much to ask, you better ramp up those wrist exercises.
It’s telling that people who like to spend their time around fun people who add something to their lives are “entitled” while people who turn others off and think the world is unfair and should adapt to them are somehow not entitled.
[–]reluctantly_red10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
being an marginally interesting and tolerable person who showers and can put together an outfit, carry on a conservation and flirt is too much to ask
Think you're really downplaying the importance of looks. I've struggled with my weight my entire adult life. When I've managed to be relatively trim people react to me quite positively (i.e. find me interesting and fun). When I was fat I might as well be invisible -- social interactions were perfunctory at best.
[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude, her WHOLE POST is on how being physically attractive and charismatic is important. I don't know where exactly you think she's minimizing how important looks are but I'd be curious if you could point it out.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Please point out exactly where you think I did this.
[–]vladvash6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
It's all about whether they approach or not. Only thing that matters at all. Women wont do it, men are reinforced or pushed away based on past success or failure here. That's it, none of the rest of this sub matters. Failures fall out and stop trying, those that are successful keep trying and it gets easier. You dont understand this because you dont do it, it's not bad or good, it just is.
[–]reluctantly_red11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Failures fall out and stop trying, those that are successful keep trying and it gets easier. You dont understand this because you dont do it, it's not bad or good, it just is.
Yes, women greatly underestimate the effort that it takes to be even a moderately successful guy. And results are all that matter -- we get no points for effort.
[–]jayval90PUAs are Blue Pilled1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
Women shouldn't be picking from successful guys. They should be pairing up young and helping them succeed.
[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
They should be pairing up young and helping them succeed.
Nice theory. Unfortunately most women want more immediate gratification.
[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
This assumes that women are the fun and interesting people themselves, which is very far from the case.
Women need to ramp their shit up too.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No actually it doesn’t.
I wouldn’t advise you spend your time around boring abrasive women either.
[–]Grek275 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (63 children) | Copy Link
I think those are completely superficial qualities. The real merits of a man are his dedication, loyalty and perseverance. That we're even having a conversation on this reflects how backwards the average woman is.
[–]reluctantly_red11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
The real merits of a man are his dedication, loyalty and perseverance.
Every woman in the world says she values these things -- very few actually do.
[–]Grek275 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Of course, women among many things are social conformers and will virtue signal to the end of days but how they act is something different.
[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
No.
No woman here will say those things aren't important. What they will also say is they are not enough on their own. Which is the part most men are deaf to.
[–]Grek276 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
So what we really need to do is do a song and dance to appease you and if we get lucky, if we get really lucky - maybe you will grant us the smallest amount of your time?
ahaha, fuck no,
[–]Freevoulous1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
nearly all women DO value this merits, but by the way these merits are expressed.
What is the actual, physical, measurable and observable OUTCOME of this merits in a guy?
Say, a guy is very dedicated. HOW CAN WE TELL? Is he very good at his job? Goes to the gym every day? Build a house? Created a company? Raised kids? Become a senator? What is he dedicated TO? What positive thing resulted from his dedication?
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 23 points24 points25 points 4 years ago* (35 children) | Copy Link
Thanks for proving my point.
Dedication, loyalty and perseverance are admirable qualities. they are also one that don’t prelude one from being a person who doesn’t repel others.
But if you smell bad, dress like a toddler, act superior about your perceived intelligence but have nothing to talk about besides video games, and can’t relax and be fun and flirt, it’s game over.
I mean if I said dedication, loyalty and perseverance are the only qualities that should matter so you should overlook that I’m 300 pounds, with an ugly face and have nothing to talk about except for SJW blogs and feminism and date me anyway, how would you react?
[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
so you should overlook that I’m 300 pounds
When I weighed over 300 pounds I was very flexible. I had to overlook a hell of a lot just to get a date.
[–]Grek270 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Replying to your edit:
There is a baseline physical attractiveness which is mostly not being really fat, I honestly don't care about the other qualities as long as you are loyal and dedicated to our relationship. In general I would prefer not to talk at all unless it's directly relevant to our interaction.
[–]Grek274 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link
What point? You're going to choose to date a guy or not depending upon his clothing and how much he humors you in conversation. If anything I think you proved my point.
[–]Freevoulous5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're going to choose to date a guy or not depending upon his clothing and how much he humors you in conversation.
this things prove the guy is socially conscious, has basic respect for his culture and peers, and takes his interactions with her seriously.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
What I proved is you’re an entitled hypocrite like rest of your lot who thinks you should have standards for women but women having standards you don’t measure up to makes them terrible.
[–]BruhBoiB13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
I’d probably choose to go on a second date with a guy who could humor me and dresses nice. The thing is, you can’t woo someone on date 1 by being loyal. You can’t prove loyalty on one date. But what you can prove is how fun you are to be around. And that’s what gets you your second date, and maybe even the third. Being fun to talk to and relatable and have a nice sense of style.
[–]happycheese86No Pill0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You're trying to prove how shallow women are, but they are what they are because of men. Ya'll been running the world, why is it broken?
[–]CidCrisisPurple Soup1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Uh, obviously? Nice Strawman you built there though.
[–]lilacluna5488 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
You really think that men don't go after superficial qualities as well? Dedication, loyalty and perseverance are important, but none of that matters if there's no physical attraction and you can't have fun together. How can you be with someone you don't like to spend time with?
Not as much no. Fun to me is sitting and reading or basically not talking. I can like spending time with someone without talking much to them. Why is this needed?
[–]lilacluna5482 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, most people aren't as introverted as you are. It's important to find someone you're compatible with. Some women out there may feel the way you do or feel similarly enough to be happy in a relationship with you. But most human beings, even fellow introverts, value communication on some level. And they need someone who gives them what they need in that department.
[–]Freevoulous4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
A man with dedication and an once of a brain goes to the gym to have a healthy and fit body. A man with loyalty and perseverance makes a decent buck at work, because he works hard. A man with any respect for his fellow humans takes care of his hygiene, social graces, and grooming, as to not offend them.
Basically, you cannot divorce good traits from the OUTCOME of said traits. We can only judge people by the outcome of their actions.
If you are truly dedicated to being a GOOD MAN, and also a rational man, you will end up at least average attractive, simply by taking care of your body, mind and social interactions.
[–]ResponsibleCharacter1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
THIS oh my god. You can literally see whether someone is motivated/disciplined by their physical appearance AND their life in general. Someone who possesses those traits will take care of their body, dress at least passably well, have a college education (or a trade), and have a decent job. Because if they don't they'll keep looking for a better one, because they're motivated to do so and disciplined enough to develop the skills necessary to be valuable to employers.
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[–]Grek271 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You will fall at some point when chad gets tired of you, I won't be catching you though (shrug).
[–]oneprettycoolcat1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You forgot your other requirements: They be tall, white, and have a six pack.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Must be why only 4% of the male population... oh wait...
[–]Jimmythecarrrrr0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Entitlement is why we're here. If you think that's gone, you're just ignorant. America didn't take land because it was right, they felt entitled. Because people who have power can feel more entitled then those with less.
[–]AnotherUserName106980 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Frankly no one gives a shit if they try or not but if they don’t try then they should shut the fuck up about not having pussy fall into their lap.
[–]AzihayyaWhite Knight, the Voice of Femnai0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What if men ARE looking for more engaging, romantic and long term relationships at younger ages, though?
I know I for one was never behind the whole, "gotta get rid of my V card, what an embarrassment" camp that was portrayed in movies of my time as a young adult, such as Superbad--despite my father constantly telling me that I outta get laid and start dating chicks, I was always harboring secret thoughts of finding "the one" like in a Disney movie, despite that I was a habitual recluse who, surprise surprise, was addicted to pornography, video games and message boards. I still haven't had sex, despite opportunities, at thirty, because I'm not looking for sex. I still believe that there's someone special for me.
Take all the incels who constantly a firm that there is no use in trying, that no one can ever love them, and who, for the most part, are only strictly looking for virgins and wouldn't consider anyone else applicable.
[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I thought looks didn't matter? So you're saying they DO matter. Red pill confirmed.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks strawman
[–]Nevergonnamemeyouup16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Your own source says 27%.
Right now.
But that number is rising. Is that because more men are just inherently bad or what?
[–]kandyapplezslow down lil baby you going pacino9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
were talking about who is average right now in this moment
[–]eboy4hire8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
1 in 4 young men not having sex though? That's a crazy statistic.
I don't have marriage or cohabitation statistics on me. But of the single males not cohabitating, those having 1 or less sex partners a year, are most likely the majority. And those having zero, is very high.
[–]SkrattGoddess-1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
xD Talking about some 27% like the world is ending. "The numbers...they're rising!" Bye.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
They’re a fucking trip. They’ve been at this shit all night. They will literally die in a fire before admitting there’s even a kernel of truth here.
[–]Will_StephensFemcel Larp12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (33 children) | Copy Link
me thinks they're too busy playing MMO's for a girlfriend
a number of men just don't try and are content being single
[–]ColCrin29 points30 points31 points 4 years ago* (23 children) | Copy Link
They don't try because they think it'll be fruitless.
[–]katymarxStart wearing Purple for me now!🤪21 points22 points23 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Top comment on that thread
<<I’d rather jerk off alone than fuck 4s and deal with the emotional bullshit.>>
[–]Will_StephensFemcel Larp15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
said it once and i'll say it again
there are no incels on ppd ...only guys with egos too big to fuck fat chicks
even my more attractive friends fuck below average girls . but ofc their lotion marinated dick is too sacred or something
[–]volchonok14 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
even my more attractive friends fuck below average girls
And they are one of the reasons dating scene is so ruined. Below average girls feel they can get better looking men and stop looking in their own league.
Also, what's wrong with not having sex with someone who you don't find appealing?
[–]AnotherUserName106981 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re right! This means women shouldn’t be forced to fuck people they find unappealing either.
[–]eboy4hire4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
That's fair. I'm somebody who took the escort route, and then transitioned to fatties, and then recently got with a 90 lbs 4'11" girl. We'll see if I can keep it going. I'd definitely recommend my path to others who are currently "incels".
[–]planejaneThree Trench Coats in a Trench Coat.3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Then it's on you and other success stories to coach them. God knows plenty of women have suggested that here and been told how much we don't understand. They won't listen to us, so give it a shot. I bet you they'll just be calling you Chad and telling you how much you don't understand in a matter of hours.
[–]eboy4hire3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I've definitely been there where I just wanted to bang girls who were really attractive to me when I was a virgin so I understand where they're coming from and they're probably pretty stubbornly in that mindset. It's those damn Michael Cera movies man... lol
[–]URETHRAL_DIARRHEANo Pill1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Mehhhh, I really don't see the point. Just seems desperate to fuck below your own league.
[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No sex is better then bad sex with ugly fat chicks.
[–]ItsOverBoyosLDARKeep calm and get cucked by Chad1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Why should someone who puts effort into their appearance by working out, dressing well etc. fuck landwhales. This kind of thirst is what leads bloatqueens to the point of having such inflated egos.
[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well? Can't say I blame them. If i ever lose my ability to fuck at least semi attractive chicks I'm out myself.
There's worse things then being single
[–]katymarxStart wearing Purple for me now!🤪1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fine, then don't complain about being an incel. Not directed at you squid.
[–]Will_StephensFemcel Larp16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
you can't blame others for their failure if they refuse to even try because they believe they will fail.
[–]TwentyX418 points19 points20 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Maybe they tried and became depressed by their lack of success.
Reminds me of a conversation I had with a female friend of mine. She's not particularly good looking (a little too much weight) but has a good personality. She was going on tons of dates via dating apps. Like 50 days over the course of one summer. I was talking about how difficult it was for guys on dating apps (and I say that as a guy who does better than the average guy). She said that she looked at the dating profile of a mutual male friend of ours and she admitted that it was depressing. She couldn't believe how few matches or dates he was getting. It's easy to get depressed by the lack of interest coming your direction as a man. And I say that as someone who's a lot better off than most men. Personally, I'm not totally disillusioned with the dating game (mostly because I do have advantages over the average guy), but I can understand why guys would feel that way.
[–]crybb4202 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree with this, rejection is emotionally taxing. i feel for your average nerd bro on tinder. but is it “women’s fault” for not picking them? are these boys being denied something they deserve? does the red pill have a foundation, even if the subscribers go off the rails sometimes?
[–]binkerfluid7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes maybe the juice isnt worth the squeeze
[–]lestratege1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The old American "not poor, just a temporarily embarrassed millionaire"...
[–]Here4thebeer3232No Pill1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not trying just ensures that failure
[–]ColCrin17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sure, but as a whole when a unusual number of people "don't try" something it might indicate something is happening. Kinda like when unemployment is very bad and many people just stop looking for jobs.
It doesn't "just happen".
[–]oneprettycoolcat3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why should I try when 95% of what I experience is rejection and the 5% that isn't rejection is me having to dance like a trained monkey for the entertainment of a woman who likely weighs so much she can't even move under her own power?
[–]Barneysparky1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It looks to me that the bottom 1/4 of guys are having difficulties dating. I'd guess a percentage of guys are not in the race at all. Do these stats take into consideration men who are in jail, or stationed in the Middle East? If so what percentage of men are simply not in a position to be having sex.
Then you have the single brained guy, obsessed with something to the exclusion of everything else, the wanting anime doll guys. Put all those together and the guys who are actively looking for sex and can't get it might be as low as 8%.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)-5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (67 children) | Copy Link
as i stated before; so what?
28% of men didn't have sex in the last year; that's called a dry spell.
notice the sharp increase after 2008?
maybe the collapse of capitalism and subsequent stagnation of the economy is relevant; idk.
men aren't entitled to sex or relationships.
[–]fackdack17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
Bra, this isn't a great spot to virtue signal your support for women. All he said is that more and more men are sexless. No blaming women and no implying that men are entitled to sex.
[–]ColCrin4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What does that have to do with averages?
[–]analt223No Pill5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Its moreso that 07/08/09 period was the rise of smartphone culture than even the economic collapse.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
doubtful.
[–]analt223No Pill7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
no, it definitely is. The economy has always been shit for 20 somethings. Its moreso the amount of attention women get in the centralized internet era
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
same thing happened in japan starting in the 1990s and they didn't have smart phones.
sounds like another excuse to blame women
[–]analt223No Pill6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
japan's culture is a lot more repressed in many ways.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
japan's economy has been stagnant for 30 years
very similar to the US, a higher percentage of young people live at home
[–]analt223No Pill3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
their economy has been stagnant because women have passed by men.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
that makes no sense
[–]binkerfluid2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
correct and people arnt entitled to jobs either but when there is a huge group of people without them society stops functioning and problems arise.
At some point it does become an issue. I dont know that these is a solution to it however since people get to decide who they do or do not want to date and anything other than that is unacceptable. That said people arnt actually trying to force others to date them.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
society doesn't stop if some men don't have sex.
quit being overdramatic
[–]binkerfluid3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
its not being dramatic and its not sex im talking about
https://www.webmd.com/balance/news/20180504/loneliness-rivals-obesity-smoking-as-health-risk
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/loneliness-is-harmful-to-our-nations-health/
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/11/well/mind/how-loneliness-affects-our-health.html
its laughable someone who has commie in their name, im guessing unironically, would have such a "let them eat cake" attitude.
[–]reluctantly_red10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Not having sex for two or three months is a dry spell. A year without sex is a freakin disaster.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Not really.
Americans really are obsessed with sex, eh?
[–]binkerfluid6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
to be honest its not just the sex its the lack of any kind of intimacy or relationships
[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I had a six month dry spell and it fucked me up, I basically overhauled my life not to be in that position again. If it had been a year idk what would’ve happened that’s insane
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
It’s relevant to the point that financially independent adulthood has been delayed for a lot of younger millennials and living with your parents and being broke will take a toll on your sex life, sure.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
sounds like more of a problem with the economy than women.
[–]lestratege9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
It's pretty telling of women's behavior if sexual activity is related to the economy. So much for having sex with someone because of who he is.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Living with your parents makes it hard to bring women home.
Being broke makes it hard to have money to go out and socialize.
Not brain surgery here.
[–]lestratege7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I know. It's still telling of women to demand conditions that are just not attainable for most, especially when these are independent from people's will, unlike a healthy BMI, which women don't have any longer for many.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
are millennial women (who live at home too) demanding men who have their own apartments?
[–]Jaktenba2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
As if it's every been considered a problem that women live at home. Literally, yes, unemployed women living with their parents are demanding men make six figures before they will even talk to them as anything other than a free meal to string along.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
quit projecting and blaming your problems on women.
[–]lestratege5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don't have such problem personally so you can quit the psychologisation straight out of a women magazine.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
you are literally are blaming women for men not getting laid
thats messed up
[–]tallwheelManosphere Unificationist1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
lol. yeah. don't make fun of wimmenz just becuz they only fuck guys with money. that's totally doesn't say anything bad about women as a whole. the wimmenz are perfect, you filthy little incel.
You tell him.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I think we agree.
[–]Shazoa2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
No, no-one is entitled to that. But I don't think that's something that anyone is arguing either. However it is a problem when a large number of people are missing out on something that is generally considered to be an important part of life.
It's hard to downplay how important sex and relationships are, too. Maybe that isn't the case for some people, but for many (like me) it's almost the entire point of life. Having someone to love and be loved by is the number one thing that makes me happy, and the times where I've been in a 'dry spell' have always been the most depressing, frustrating, and generally pointless times of my life. That isn't all that unusual.
[–]largepaycheckaddict55 points56 points57 points 4 years ago (49 children) | Copy Link
Lots of average and even above average looking guys are overlooked. A lot of this can boil down to anything from logistics (works all the time, lives with family, lives in a place where there’s not many women his age around etc).
Other things such as depression/mental illness, lack of social skills, lifestyle/expectation differences can keep lots of guys barred from the game too.
I’ve been called “hot” by many women. I have a college degree,full time job, car etc.. but have only had 1 LTR gf (who started as just a friend, but never really loved me beyond getting jealous if I went on a date with other girls).
It’s hard out there for guys today. Especially guys with morals and expectations.
[–]NockerJoeIt is what it is19 points20 points21 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I can second the "not many women his age" voucher. I'm the only one under 35 or maybe even 40 in my building. The only single woman in my block is morbidly obese, works crazy hours, and is also a student. That's an obvious no go.
[–]katymarxStart wearing Purple for me now!🤪7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don't want to date your neighbors I promise it can get ugly ..... 1 mile min distance haha!
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (35 children) | Copy Link
Especially guys with morals and expectations.
Fair enough. I assume you mean conservative Christian values?
[–]largepaycheckaddict16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
Pretty much, or the values of any other religion really. I’m not a very religious person myself but don’t like to jump into sleeping with each other right away. I found this lead most women to ghost me or lose interest quick.
But then they go and complain about fuckboys on their tinder profile so.. 🤷🏻♂️
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Are there places where conservative men can find conservative women outside religious communities?
[–]largepaycheckaddict4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
There aren’t many conservative women AT ALL who are younger than 35. It’s like trying to find a needle in a haystack. On top of this, women are picky with who they date/build relations with so it can feel very bleak.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I imagine that it is hard. I know a couple of guys who are more conservative socially (not to be confused with just misogynistic) and they admit they get involved with the church despite not being very religious themselves because that’s the only place they can find like minded women.
[–]eboy4hire0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I feel the same way about church people. They have more of the clean fun that I'm interested in, but I'm also looking for some kind of middle ground where clean fun is had,(like no drugs) and then also lots of casual sex is had. lol
[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
or the values of any other religion really
What does this even mean? Various religions have widely different values. I'm a polytheist and my religious values are pretty different from the Abrahamic faiths in a number of regards.
[–]largepaycheckaddict0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (19 children) | Copy Link
I can almost guarantee you know nothing about polytheism if you think it’s far different from Christianity. Christianity was built upon the traditions of polytheism. Catholicism is literally the Roman state religion just with 1 god instead of multiple gods with a more merciful perspective versus the “master morality” of the pagan world. Even in polytheistic cultures there was an acknowledgment of a greater holistic god over the gods themselves.
Also most major religions have similar perspectives regarding morality and good and evil.
[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
I can almost guarantee you know nothing about polytheism if you think it’s far different from Christianity
I’ll take you up on that guarantee. Please tell about my religious beliefs because you’ve made it clear that you’re an expert on them.
[–]largepaycheckaddict0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link
What type of polytheism are you talking about? I assumed a European pre-Christian tradition since that’s mostly what polytheism refers to today when it’s mentioned
[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
What would be the point in saying? I know nothing about it, as you say, so I probably couldn’t even identify it right.
[–]largepaycheckaddict0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
So this belief system is purely your own creation?
[–]officerkondoMarried Redder Shade of Purple Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I didn’t say that (although it would be as valid as any other set of spiritual beliefs), but when you start the discussion telling me that I know nothing about my own beliefs, what would be the point in engaging?
[–]Nevergonnamemeyouup3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Not just christian values tbh. I don't care *so much* about the sexual history of women and I'm mostly liberal/left, and it's not like the dating game is any easier for us guys.
It seems just trying to be a decent person fucks you over.
[–]Dustin_BromainTeam Red2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I’m pretty much in the same boat as you. Although with me, I also know that I don’t deserve women in general so it’s ok.
That’s not a very red pill attitude.
[–]Dustin_BromainTeam Red2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
You’re probably right. I’m just depressed.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I’m no psychologist but I’ve found that setting some goals for yourself and achieving them can do wonders for your mood and outlook.
[–]Dustin_BromainTeam Red6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yep can’t argue with that. Trying to finish school and hit the gym every day my man.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
👍🏾
Good luck to you. I hope you find happiness.
[–]Dustin_BromainTeam Red5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You too.
[–]churnthrowaway1234560 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A lot of this can boil down to anything from logistics (works all the time, lives with family, lives in a place where there’s not many women his age around etc).
This and various mental illness and social skill problems are responsible for the vast majority of guys who can't get laid.
[–]HennythepainawayPurple Pilled Platypus24 points25 points26 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I think greater than 20% of men do fine but it's definitely less than 80%.
Go to a bar or nightclub, are 80% of men you see standing against the wall talking to each other?
First of all, 80% of men don't even go to these types of venues. If they do go it's already self selecting out the wall flowers. So ofcourse 80% wouldn't be on the walls.
Go to the mall— do you see hordes of 80% men with wedding bands and strollers looking like they’re ready to drive off a cliff
Is this even a good example with divorce rates what they are? 50% end up in divorce. How many percentage points would that tick up if you included those in unhappy marriages but are staying together for whatever reason?
Go to work — are 80% of your co-workers single virgins?
Unless they're all comp sci grads, you're right on this point. But who the hell on this sub even makes this point? I've never seen someone say that 80% of men are virgins. You're debating against incel talking points, but this isn't an incel sub so wyd?
average men can’t get laid/are incels
No one says that
average men are ignored by women
They certainly aren't pursued. And the problem with these points is that average spans 60% of men with how you put it. You make no distinction for people at the 25th percentile with those at 75th percentile. Those tiers of men are night and day.
average men are essentially locked out of hook up culture
Again we run into the problem with talking about 60% of the available men. The top ~40 something percent should be able to get something going. Another 10-20% should be able to get a hookup rarely if they work at it. The rest, they probably have to get lucky or go for bottom of the barrel girls.
average men can’t get quality sex
Does anybody actually say this? If you're halfway decent at sex, you can get quality sex.
the best an average man can hope for is being beta buxed by an alpha widow who will never want him
I guess this one is a Red Pill talking point. I disagree with it myself
This is such a strawman of a post. It really says something when you try to kick the lowest people. The air of superiority is pretty gross. What makes you so good?
[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man25 points26 points27 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
She’s a 40 year old who desperately attempts to give advice to a different generation on how dating works. She also dismisses almost every single persons arguement and instead bashes on men
[–]NigroqueSimillima9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Different generations and a different gender. It's kinda hilarious.
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[–]0624201935 points36 points37 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Welcome to /r/PurplePillDebate, where old people who haven't been a part of the dating market for decades give their opinions on modern dating.
[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid12 points13 points14 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. I'm technically one of those older people, but I work with younger men and actually talk to them. Something has definitely changed since my day.
[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing22 points23 points24 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
boomers love boomersplaining
[–]Goingprorogue17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All ya need is a firm handshake son
[–]diffdedbedGreen Eyed Devil6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Why does a 20 year old man think he has the answers?
[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing15 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
its like talking to a deployed boot about the armed forces over a vietnam vet's wife who's saying she knows what the war in afghanistan is like right now
[–]HennythepainawayPurple Pilled Platypus1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
purge week soon
I’m shaking in my boots
[–]prostate-apostatespectacle beta0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What did the post say ??
[–]HennythepainawayPurple Pilled Platypus0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I think he called her old, has racist tendencies, and is out of touch so why is she posting. Something like that
[–]wellhellotherefellas0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What's purge weel?
[–]HennythepainawayPurple Pilled Platypus0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
check the sticky on the main page
https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ddqto1/purge_week_imminent_05_october_2019/
[–]wellhellotherefellas0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thanks
[–]AnalThrashing31 points32 points33 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
While I agree its unfair for men to put the blame on women for these numbers, you are literally doing the opposite and saying its all on men.
[–]ImportantWords13 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
Your argument is predicated on this belief that getting laid relies on high SMV. That is false. I know plenty of married losers. I work with a guy that has terrible dental hygiene, orange teeth, and dips, about to have a damned baby at 19. Gross guys, get gross girls all the time.
But even average Girls don’t want casual sex with average looking Men.
So here you are, 22-year old virgin, average, to even slightly above average looks. You have mostly male coded interests, so most of your friends are guys, and the few girls you do know are probably already taken. You get invited to a few parties, bars every year, and you go, but no one seems interested in you. You try to make conversation with the girls, but your interests are orthogonal. You don’t know how to flirt because no one has ever flirted with you. You don’t know how to make a move, and worse, your position at this place is already tenuous at best, so your not going to learn now. You’re acutely aware of the fact that no female really cared to have you there and none of the males really wanted you there either. You are at best a distraction, but more probably an annoyance. And it’s not that your weird. Gross. Creepy. You’re just normal, not interesting, not attractive, and not really on anyone’s agenda for the evening. So you go back to your cave, go back to your male friends, and proclaim: Girls aren’t interested in average guys.
They aren’t wrong, but they are misguided. They’re looking in the wrong places and expecting the wrong things. Those gross people we talked about up front? Yeah their gross, but they know how to play the right game.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Your argument is predicated on this belief that getting laid relies on high SMV.
Um, no. Quite the opposite.
[–]Jaktenba5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Um, yes. That's why if you bothered to actually read the guy's comment, you'd have seen he pointed out that your claims of "oh if you just showered and dressed nice, you'd be rolling in women throwing themselves at your feet" are false, because the bad men you describe get with equally bad women. But somehow, you believe men shouldn't have standards, yet if a man says any woman's standard is unrealistic, he's a misogynist.
[–]Barneysparky6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
If you had a more positive outlook on people and life women would enjoy being in your company to a greater extent then they do today. Also hygiene is always important, we say it simply because a certain percentage of young men are hygiene challenged. If it's not applicable to you why worry about that?
[–]Jaktenba0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
And why should I care about people who only want to be in my company when I'm at my best? Such people are frivolous, superficial, and overall irrelevant. Just as you will whine all day about how men are not entitled to women's bodies, women are not entitled to men's bodies. I am not your tv, your book, nor your trained monkey, I am a human just like you, not some organic entertainment machine to amuse you in the hopes that you may reward me. just because you demand it (stricken so you can't claim nonsense about supposedly feeling entitled).
[–]Barneysparky1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
You sound like a "nice girl" saying "if you can't handle me at my worst then you don't deserve me at my best", verbatim.
If you decide that you being you is displaying your wide range of emotions and expecting others to just "handle it" then that is your choice. However when you make that choice don't expect people that don't bring others down want to be with you.
3 years ago, I a person with a dependency disorder decided to not have people in my life that are historic, as my issues attract BPD and narcissistic people. In order to accomplish this I had to get my own house in order. I did.
I have real friends now, not people who become emotional vampires and eventually start teasing me, real friends who admire who I am, quirks and all. We do activities together, we don't lament our lives together. I had to do real work on several layers of my overly needy personality for this to happen.
I still have the disorder. God help me if my husband passes before me, I'll be a swan. Actually that not a bad thing at all in my head, as I'm still dependant just not needy and clingy and expecting everyone else to have the answers to my life. Which was unbearable to anyone normal who of course didn't want to tell others what to do.Because they have their own heads.
Change is possible, but the only person who has to change and can change is you. Check out: the three principles. It's as boring and uncult like as an understanding can be, and it's an understanding that normal people have ingrained. I hope it helps you.
[–]Jaktenba0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Again, you are not entitled to others. They do not have to change for you. If you don't want to interact with them because of it, that is your choice. Another part of my point, is that you shouldn't interact with people with the intention of trying to change them.
[–]Barneysparky0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Of course, people are not obligated to change themselves so I'd want to be around them.
There are however obligated to not force their unwanted presence onto me. You be you however if I dont enjoy your company I won't have a seat at my table for you.
[–]Jaktenba0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
And that is fine, I very firmly believe in the first amendment, with maybe just a caveat for the religion thing, because some religions (while not typically practiced anymore) are clearly incompatible with other laws and rights, like ones that practice human sacrifice or the mutilation of babies.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You guys got anything besides strawmen?
[–]Mongrelcel0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
And where do you think they should look?
"meetups" "volunteering" "the library" - here have some of the most repeated answers to this question
[–]ImportantWords3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Fundamentally they need to expand their social circle. The casual scene isn’t going to work. Simple pick-up isn’t going to work. You have to diversify your interests and become friends with females. Not to bang them. But to meet lots of girls before you find one who you connect with.
Like I don’t know, maybe stop watching anime and playing vidya. Maybe grow up?
[–]Mongrelcel0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yeah buddy, you sure are correct that I watch anime and play games. Also I don't shower and haven't gotten a haircut in years.
"just expand your social circle bro" people don't look for new friends if you are not valuable to them. 90% of guys stick with their highschool friendgroup the entire time. If you took the average dude and dropped him some where without his hs friendgroup he'd be incel as fuck.
Also how come all the groups outside on Friday evening have horrible male to female ratio? And every single male in that group is trying to impress that one woman amidst the 5 or so guys? That surely is a great strategy.
[–]ImportantWords1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
You’re still trying to play the pick up game. Friday evening on the patio in a bar doesn’t work. Most of those guys aren’t getting laid. It’s fake news.
You say that your average looking guy, shower, etc. You in college?
[–]Mongrelcel0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
When did I say I'm average?? I'm not lol, literally never got any attention from a women in my life. I'm in sort of engineering high school/uni (not us), the make to female ratio is about 15 to 1, sometimes 30 to 1.
And no I'm not talking about "pickup" or "game" that shit doesent exist here, no-one does cold approaches, no-one goes to the club alone.
I'm talking about friend groups that know each other going out, you can see that, the groups always stand in a little circles in front of a club and talk to each other within the group. Theres no "picking up" going on, the men just try to impress the women they came with. My God, if you tried cold approaching you'd get fucked up so fast, approaching women that multiple drunk aggressive guys have a crush on? Lol you would just give them an opportunity to prove something.
And yes, most of these ( average of even slightly above average) guys aren't getting laid, how tf am I supposed to do it lol, I'm a lost cause, I don't even have any friends to go out to the said club
[–]ImportantWords2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Again, you are entirely missing the point. My current girl and I met at work. We would bullshit together on shift, and hang out in our downtime. One day, I asked her if she wanted to get lunch together. She agreed, and from that day on, we ate lunch together every day. Then, she was having some non-work friends over, she invited me to come hang out. We played board games. After that we started hanging out together outside of work regularly. Sometimes it was just like, hey, I am gonna go grab some lunch, you down? Sometimes it was like, hey, we’re going to this movie, you wanna come? You know, we were friends. I was not her only friend. She was not my only friend. Then, and gasp, this is gonna shock you, we both started hanging out with our other friends less and less. We were monopolizing each other’s time. And then, one magical night, I walked into her house and saw her getting gangbanged by like 7 massive black dudes. I was crushed. MGTOW. All women are whores. JK, we smashed, bro.
[–]ResponsibleCharacter1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
LOL this is one of my favorite posts ever. I have tried so many times to tell these assholes that if you don't attempt to befriend women, ACTUALLY BEFRIEND THEM, you aren't going to get shit. Unfortunately for many of them that requires a level of respect for the humanity of female people that is beyond their grasp. "Friends? But what about my dick? You're going to touch my dick maybe right?"
The men who are successful have large social circles of men AND women. They know enough people that they are regularly introduced to more: "Oh, my cousin is coming out with us tonight," "Oh my friend from undergrad is in town, she's coming to game night," "I work with these cool girls, they're going to come to the party" etc and this increases the chances of finding an interested member of the opposite sex. Plus you have context: a woman can feel relatively comfortable that you're known to people she likes and not some random serial killer freak (an actual consideration when you try to pick up people at a CLUB).
Nobody will ever find a partner sitting on their ass at home. Except I guess Chad, cause he's got bitches swipin' on his Tinder, but ew. I never swiped right on the weirdly manicured buff dudes with the arrogant "about me" on those apps. Something about it seems almost feminine to me, like dude is taking mirror selfies with duckface and talking about how lucky you'd be to get with him, just like a looooooot of low value females lmaoo
[–]Mongrelcel0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh boy, you are assuming quite a lot.
Befriend women? Lol no-one wants to be friends with me regardless of the gender. And as if I could befriend a women, where the fuck would I do it? Let me guess: a "meetup"
Damn, 7 negroes? That's a magic number, you gon' be a lucky boy
And where exactly am I missing the point? Also, how does you life experience (that's inaccessible) to many of us for here?
[–]ToraChan23Red Pill Man10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (28 children) | Copy Link
I would love to see the research showing that men have more sex partners than women.
[–]HC73_181 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don’t even know how this mathematically makes sense. Each man-women matchup adds a tally to the “partner counts” of each side.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (26 children) | Copy Link
CDC: Men have 3 times more sex partners
[–]I-wanna-GO-FAST7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm sure even you know that self report data is completely useless.
But of course since it confirms your biases this time, it's good.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes self reported data is useless unless were talking about OK cupid or any other study that feeds y’all’s sense of victimhood
[–]I-wanna-GO-FAST4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm not sure you know exactly what self reported data is...
But anyway I'm not one of those people that thinks those OkCupid studies prove much of anything.
[–]I-wanna-GO-FAST2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Concede what?
[–]orcscorper..||. |.|.| ...|| .|.|| |..||3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The CDC did not say that; a moron writing for the Denver Post did. RTFA, already. Three times as many men as women reported having over 15 sexual partners. The averages given later in the article are 6.8 vs. 3.7. Does that look like three times to you? I will use my superior mathematical brain to say it's less than twice as many.
Nalka² had a good point, as well. In a closed system, anything other than 1:1 should be impossible. In the real world, many of these respondents have totally real girlfriends in canada or spent a lot of time in Tijuana. Maybe a million men had sex with one woman, but she died before she could take the survey, skewing the averages. At any rate, the article is shit and the headline is a lie.
[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
That should be a wake up call to everyone here to read "research" more critically. since the finding is nonsensical on it's face. The partner counts between men and women are exactly the same. Every time a man has a new partner a woman is also having a new partner. It can't be anything other than equal.
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[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (14 children) | Copy Link
lamo
You seriously can't understand the fact that those number are SELF REPORTED? and that men inflate their number and women lower theirs.
Seriously poppy. Are you pulling my leg?
Do you or do you not understand that men and women have to have the. exact. same. number. of. partners.
For every man having sex with a woman there is a woman having sex with a man.
For every new partner a man adds to his total that woman added a new partner to her total.
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[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago* (12 children) | Copy Link
Every time I prove you wrong you ghost and never admit it.
Well this time you took the added liberty of calling me a lair so this one I'm not going to let go.
Do you or do you not understand that for every man having sex with a woman there is a woman having sex with a man?
Do you get that or not?
Purge is coming up so I'm going to make an entire post about this conversation making you the laughingstock of PPD unless you come to your senses.
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[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago* (9 children) | Copy Link
Do you not understand how that means that men and woman's partner counts have to be exactly the same no more or less because its physically impossible for one to have more than the other?
If a man has sex with a new woman it's because they never had sex together before so if they have sex she is also adding exactly one new partner.
The numbers can only ever be exactly equal.
Being stubborn is one thing but what you are doing here is way beyond that.
[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I just saw your sneaky edit there. No I don't do that
And then you threaten to, what, call me a bunch of racist names during purge week ilke some fucking 5 year old?
I'm going to post this conversation verbatim and that is all it's going to take.
Also, why are you bringing race into this? To me you are just another random person who is wrong on the internet. I don't care what race, sex, class or political stripe you are. All I care about are the arguments you make on this forum.
[–]Goingprorogue16 points17 points18 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
an average guy does have to put in some work if that is too much to ask you’re not average.
an average guy does have to put in some work
if that is too much to ask
you’re not average.
The average American man is literally eating himself into an early grave at 5'9", 197 pounds lol. I think allergy to effort is more "average" than you think.
To be frank you sound like one of those people who works really hard and thinks that that must be a normal thing.
[–]Freevoulous8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Preach OP. 10/10, would read again.
I want to add another thing, something that is so extremely important yet overlooked:
The things that attract women are things you are SUPPOSED to be anyway, just to live a normal life!
Imagine for a second that women did not exist, the world was just men breeding asexually. You would still need to:
- earn a decent money to have a civilised life
- be fit and in shape so that your body would not break apart at 40
- take care of your hygiene and grooming so that you would be taken seriously by other people
- train your social skills so that you would have any friends and not suffer from loneliness.
There you go. You are a human being, you are SUPPOSED to be relatively fit, not fat, financially elf-sufficient, socialised enough to be able to talk to others, and not dress like a homeless child, but a grown ass member of society. This is the default, the average guy. The baseline for male homo sapiens.
Now, are you surprised that women are attracted to that, and insist that their guy was at least on that level? The audacity, how dare they!
Amen!
[–]rus9384Ambitious Nihilist11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (18 children) | Copy Link
And what do you think about 80/20? I mean, sure, average men have sex, but casual sex? That's a whole different statement.
men have more sex partners than women
There are more straight men than straight women. Hence, on average men can only have less partners than women. Those surveys only show misreporting.
Also, compare median men and women, not average men and women.
Do people really want that much casual sex?
Maybe their is something wrong with me but that has never been a goal.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
By “casual sex,” you mean ordering up hotties on tinder for NSA sex?
There are more straight men than straight women.
Where? Not in America.
[–]rus9384Ambitious Nihilist5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
Pulling a girl from a night club to a bed is casual sex, for example. Pretty much anything that openly does not require commitment is casual sex, anyway.
There are more young men than women.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
No there are more women. Check the US census.
[–]rus9384Ambitious Nihilist2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
It does not have info on men and women of certain ages. There are more women because there are far more old women.
I could find breakdown by age here. But it's not census.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yes it does.
[–]rus9384Ambitious Nihilist1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I could only find this.
[–]geygesUgh, yourself4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
/u/poppy_blu in her unbounded anger at incels sometimes can assert things that are not true:
UN Breakdown by age
https://ourworldindata.org/gender-ratio
Truth is, until about 40-45 there are more men than women.
Seems you are right.
However we’re talking tiny percentages which are more than erased by the number of incarcerated men in America (which now tops 2 million).
[–]geygesUgh, yourself4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
maybe, with 2 mil being <2% of male population.... but the larger thing here is that
assuming ratio of 105:100
population of under 30s is about 127m
if you paired off every man and woman, just by quick math, there'd be about 3 million men without a mate.
Now I realize that not everyone is looking for a mate, there's gay people, prisons, yada yada. Bottom line, there's going to be some competition, and some men are just going to get left behind mathematically.
[–]Jakten23 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It's not a small percentage though, for example in Sweden there are 123 boys for every 100 girls among 16 and 17-year-olds.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-35444173
[–]rus9384Ambitious Nihilist0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well, as I said, it's misreporting. Women can't have less partners, especially by two times as surveys tell us. Both reported medians and averages are about two times different.
[–]TheJim66Red Pill Man17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
Of course not ,I'm top 0.0001% /s
Anyway what you say is statistically wrong.The average (young) guy is having trouble getting laid.30% couldn't get laid within a year and the other 20% gets a shitty relationship once every blue moon that he clings to with tooth,nail and cuckoldry.After which he has long dry spells.
Do you see that only 20% of men you see are coupled up?
No but it's definetely under half of them.
More like 90% .How long has it been since you've been to a club?
As for the rest ,yes men become much more desirable as they approach 30+ yo since they have money and status and women smack against the wall.But the average young man is in a bad situation.
[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I love how OP assumes that if you are in the 80% you have zero social skills and then must “stand in the corner” IN A CLUB....
People don’t go into a bar or club to not engage in anything there, just because you are under the line doesn’t mean you can’t have social experiences with your friends. Makes sense that OP has lived through a drastically different dating culture and still thinks her advice works for a new generation, while also dismissing basically everyone’s experiences.
[–]TheJim66Red Pill Man7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well like I said ,most dudes in clubs stand around awkwardly and/or talk with their buddies.Few hit on women and even fewer get anything out of it.
But yeah she has a very black and white view on this and it's mostly a thinly veiled shaming attempt.
[–]MILFBucket1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So many people on here are stuck in a high school mindset lmfao
[–]SILENTSAM697 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (39 children) | Copy Link
I do not count myself as one of those men being happily married, standing 6'4", with what people call a chiseled jaw, but I will tell you that you are wrong.
Studies have shown that women do consider only the top 20% of men as being what they consider average. Women can not tell what is average, only what their minimum standards are, and the fact is that a majority of men do not meet most women's criteria.
This is kind of a well known and studied fact. This is why so many women who wait to settle down are so disappointed in what is left as available men in their age group.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (38 children) | Copy Link
Studies
Besides OKC...which said women find 80% of OKC users to be below average. You guys don’t seem to grasp this.
[–]SILENTSAM697 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (36 children) | Copy Link
Dating sites are actually the best sources of data. Studies tend to look across several dating sites.
Dating sites are not their only sources of data, but they do provide large sample sizes and make good control groups.
This doesn't mean those 80% of men have no relationships. This is just studies where women are asked to rate men.
It has shown that men seem to rate women in an honest average, where as women seem to discount a majority of men.
This really makes sense since women tend to be the ones doing the picking of mates while men compete to be picked.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
Dating sites are actually the best sources of data.
LOL.
No, men are less choosy about who they want to fuck. And men here are perpetually angry about this fact.
[–]SILENTSAM694 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
You seem more angry than willing to look at the available data. I think the blinders prevent you from seeing this subject objectively.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I’ve seen the OKC data plenty of times and you don’t have any other data. I think your attempt to con me with a bluff is blowing up in your face and the only move you have left is to call me angry.
[–]SILENTSAM695 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
It is not just OKC. It is other dating sites and apps as well. The findings seems pretty consistent across the board. That said dating sites likely amplify the effect of judging only by a picture.
I say you seem angry from the way you respond.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
I'm direct. And this is a debate sub, not a support group. If you don't like the way I respond, don't reply to my posts and comments.
[–]SILENTSAM694 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Okay, but if you want to be taken seriously then say something worth responding to.
Why is it that you question the available data and studies on the subject? Is it just your incredulity?
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
There are no "studies" there's one study. Stop being disingenous.
Tinder did a similar study. Same results.
[–]ResponsibleCharacter1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Men on dating sites are gross. Seriously, there is a huuuuge proportion of super unattractive men on there desperately fishing for pussy. If you actually took a cross section of "male individuals age 20-40" and showed them to women the data wouldn't look like that. By self selecting for males that make dating profiles you're inflating the "gross." Because men who don't take care of themselves and have 0 success with women get on there like "OMG MAYBE THIS WILL BE IT"
[–]SILENTSAM690 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The same with the women on those sites. They are the bottom of the barrel women. It is pretty even in regards to the men vs the women on those sites.
[–]ResponsibleCharacter0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
good to know... I'm not bi so I've never seen what the "female" side of those apps have to offer. But yeah the males are bleak lol. I don't think we should say much based on dating apps/websites.
I seriously think a lot of people on there just completely lack the social skills and life skills in general to have success romantically, but guess what is the lowest effort thing to do ever? Put up 3-5 pictures of yourself and say some boring ass blurb.
I stopped using them almost immediately. If I meet a man socially it means he was legit enough to know someone that I at least tangentially know. It selects out the utter losers, misogynists/mgtow/mra, etc etc. Because those people don't get invited to parties lmao, the former because they have no $$ or car and the latter because they are fucking unpleasant.
[–]SILENTSAM691 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I like to think that maybe some are just too busy, and figure it is easier than putting themselves out there. I am thinking of the women when I say this though.
I think I ket a couple random girls on one site. Never really used the site though. My wife flipped when she found I still had an account I had forgotten about. lol
I found the girls I saw only once were far too picky. I had a good income, bit never wanted those girls to know right away. I found my wife when she thought I didn't have a great earning potential. She was pleasantly surprised afterward of course.
[–]Freevoulous2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
nah, they are absolutely rubbish, because they only allow women to judge men on their profile picture and possibly bio, which omits 90% of the ways men are attractive.
Which basically means that the "winners" here are men with cute faces. It does not include men who IRL slay pussy left and right based on things like confidence, social skills, great body language, BDE, kickass fashion, deep baritone voice, impressive skills (sports, music etc), and sheer skills at Game. Heck, even things like height and being ripped are partially excluded, because it is hard to show that online very well.
[–]NigroqueSimillima2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Dating sites are a terrible source of data, because they introduce massive sampling bias, nor do such studies control for poor photographs.
Completely wrong.
[–]SILENTSAM690 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
There are always such problems with data for social sciences. As it is the large sample size that makes this a relatively food source.
[–]NigroqueSimillima0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
There are always such problems with data for social sciences.
Which is why the social sciences is largely a junk field.
As it is the large sample size that makes this a relatively food source.
No, it doesn't matter how large you sample size is, if it's biased, your data is worthless for making a generalization about the population.
[–]SILENTSAM690 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Sample size always matter. Even when there is bias a large sample size does help you adjust for such factors.
While I dislike the idea of calling them social sciences I prefer they be called social studies. Doesn't matter what I think though because they like that the word science makes them feel more legitimate, despite not following the scientific method very often.
[–]NigroqueSimillima0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Sample size always matter
No it doesn't. If you asked everyone in Texas who they were voting for in 2012 you'd have a massive sample size of almost 30 million and be wrong.
Large sample sizes are irrevealnt if your sampling is non-random.
[–]SILENTSAM690 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Even in your example the sample size does matter. I do understand selection bias, but a large sample size does help tease out the side factors.
[–]NigroqueSimillima0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
No, it doesn't. And the sample size they used wasn't even that large.
[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
look up /blackpillscience
[–]boredthrowaway8889Wannabe Fuckboy6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link
I think you’re really misunderstanding the 80/20 rule and what we are referring to.
The 80/20 rule has nothing to do with LTRs and marriages, any average looking dude can easily get those because they are based on way more than looks. Nobody is even denying that, I know that reds like to say that any guy who isn’t an alpha is a BB, but that’s just not the truth. There are plenty of average men in very fulfilling relationships with partners that genuinely love them and aren’t just waiting for Chad to come by.
The 80/20 refers to sex and casual sex. Average men nowadays are pretty much locked out of the casual sex game. Will an average looking guy most likely never ever get casual sex? No, but it won’t be with a woman who is also average. It’ll be the 300lb fatty who works at Hardee’s. It’ll be the chubbers no dude wants. Essentially it’ll be with the absolute bottom of the barrel women if he wants it regularly, and maybe after going out every night he’ll get some girl who he is somewhat attracted to for casual sex. But this will be one time, and he’ll spend the next decade reminiscing and bragging about it forever. I think it’s fair to say the average looking man isn’t getting laid as much as you’re talking about.
[–]SaltKoala4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Wait am I set supposed to feel like it’s some sort of travesty that the average man can’t have uncommitted sex with countless hot women? If that’s what all you losers are complaining about here.... then you need to shut the fuck up already.
What a bunch of entitled children. No one cares that you can’t cater to your most disgusting base instincts whenever you want you god damn animal. Just as children aren’t being slighted by their parents when they aren’t allowed to eat all the cake and ice cream they want, you aren’t being oppressed by women because they won’t let you fuck them with zero commitment and allow themselves to be used as a masturbatory aid by a bunch of perverts who don’t even see them as people.
[–]boredthrowaway8889Wannabe Fuckboy1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I mean, you can genuinely feel however you want to feel, this is an entirely male issue so I’m not really even expecting you to understand or to feel pity. I can’t speak for others, but I’m not like that. However, I will say that average man can’t even have casual sex with average women, but whatever. I promise you that most men aren’t really punching above their weight and missing, usually they’re going for their looksmatch.
I’m not saying women are oppressing me, when did I ever even say that? Because I don’t think they’re purposely trying to hurt me or make me miserable. I’m miserable because I can’t be hot enough to attract them for NSA sex when other men obviously are. I’m Not blaming women for that, just myself for not being good enough.
Sex is validation for men, and being Chad and have sex with lots of women is the most validating thing for men. It shows value, and that you are indeed desired and wanted. I suppose you’re having casual sex with short and unattractive men right? If you can’t understand why it’s so validating for men to have casual sex, then look at your partners and tell me if you just fuck the first guy who hits on you at the bar?
Also plenty of Chads are out fucking women casually, the women are obviously fine with giving them casual sex, it’s just if you’re not tall and attractive they don’t want to do it and demand commitment. I think that’s something else that makes men depressed, it’s the double standard of it all too.
Also, who the hell is entitled here? Who said “I deserve sex because of x”. Incels? We don’t even allow incel related posts on here. Go get mad at their new website or wherever they went now. No one feels like they deserve this attention, they would just really like, and in my case I did really put in the effort and was still unsuccessful. Still I never ever thought that I deserved it, just extremely disappointed I could never have it. Do you really consider that entitled?
[–]SaltKoala2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not being able to have casual sex isn't a real issue. The fact that you think it is is what makes you sound entitled and childish. Like I said, it's the adult equivalent of a child whining that they can't eat ice cream whenever they want. What you're whining about here is not a real problem. The fact that you value casual sex that much, that your self esteem depends on it is the issue here. Get yourself into therapy, find real, meaningful outlets for your self esteem, and stop blaming women that you feel bad about yourself. Being literally depressed because random chicks don't want to suck your peepee or be seen as your blow up sex doll is just about the most gross and pathetic thing I've read on this website. I'm not surprised at all that women don't show much interest in you.
And btw I'm not having casual sex with anyone, short or tall, because frankly it's degrading and like for MANY women, it is simply not appealing or sexy to me. I have sex with my husband and that is it.
[–]boredthrowaway8889Wannabe Fuckboy1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Well I’m obviously able to find LTRs easily, so I guess my thoughts aren’t a problem or mental state being that I’ve been with my gf over 2 1/2 years. Kind of weird that I can find something that is reliant on more than looks, but I can’t get the thing I want that is entirely reliant on looks, huh?
Again, I want to mention, i don’t blame women You keep thinking I keep saying “women are bad for not wanting me, it’s their fault I’m sad”, I already said I just hate myself for not being good enough. Not faulting women for that at all. I don’t think it’s a widespread problem that society needs to fix, or I need donations, or anything. It’s a terrible problem for me, but I’m not expecting people to give me something to make it go away. The only problem I have is that I wasn’t born attractive and I’m not getting the validation, otherwise I would be fine. Jeez you just ignore everything I said right? Do you know what “entitled” actually means?
So you don’t have casual sex now, how about before you got married and entered an LTR with your current husband.
I’m in therapy for a year and I’ve been taking depression meds for 3 years. Got anymore advice?
[–]EspyPsyche4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
The issue is first contact. First contact is hard to succeed at. Looks and perceived social status are all that matter at first contact. OLD actually helps more than hurts with this, because it can help you make first contact with non-looks strengths, but the format of many OLD sites still makes looks mostly everything (more serious sites like Match and OKCupid put more of a highlight on personality traits, less serious sites like Tinder make it almost all looks-based). You can get better precision on who to reach out to, and you can do it in a way that can't present a threat to her and in a way that getting #MeToo'd isn't a possibility.
A man could be literally perfect minus being good at first contact. He could have a great job, but be humble enough to not walk into the club fanning himself with Benjamins while dressed in an Armani suit with a Rolex on his arm (and if he did walk into the club fanning his Benjamins and wearing his Armani suit and Rolex he'd have better luck bringing a girl home). He could be kind, he could have great life experiences that make amazing stories, and he could be great in bed. He could have an actual psychic power that lets him know exactly what a woman he's in bed with wants at every exact moment and have the skill to pull it off. He could have a photographic memory, remember every birthday, every anniversary, every restriction and trigger of every family member on both sides. But if he's bad at making first contact, he'll be forever alone.
If she won't give you the time of day, all the lovemaking skills and great stories and perfect memory and life behavior won't matter. It doesn't matter that you've rescued a hundred puppies from kill shelters and provided them with loving homes if you don't get the chance to tell her that. It doesn't matter that you're a firefighter with valor awards for saving the children when the orphanage burned down if she won't even look your way. It doesn't matter that you have psychic lovemaking powers and can sense every perfect touch to make if you can't get her in bed with you.
But if you're a woman? You never need to make first contact. Men will come to you. Even if you're average or less than average, unless you're absolutely hideous (or you somehow mark yourself as a toxic person, such as wearing a swastika or shaving half your head and dyeing the other half pink), you'll get attention from men trying to be with you.
We can give overall ratings all day long that encompass personality and all sorts of other traits in addition to looks and social status, but you'll never make first contact using an interesting anecdote or loyalty or puppy rescuing or anything other than looks or social status. And if you can't make first contact successfully, nothing else matters.
And it's going to be like that until we outlaw dating people you met organically (as in, through work, school, church etc. instead of matching online). We'd also have to ban Tinder-style sites and subsidize OKC-style sites that promote connection based on non-looks factors.
[–]crybb4200 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
yes, you have to make a good first impression. just like at a job interview. or when you apply for an apartment.
and just like at a job interview or applying for an apartment, you’ll lose some. but you’ll also win some. lesbians do “ f i r s t. c o n t a c t “ all the time, butches and femmes. it just takes practice. get over it.
[–]EspyPsyche0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The difference between a job interview and approaching someone in a bar is that for a job interview you’ve sent that person a document with your name and a list of accomplishments that does not include a picture before you meet anyone face to face.
First contact for a job interview isn’t them looking at your face. It’s them reading your resume. Many jobs also have skills tests or personality tests that are attached to the application.
Before they look at you in the face, they already mostly know if you have the job. The interview is mostly a formality, a way of cross referencing your resume to make sure you didn’t lie by asking you some questions about the work you claimed to have done.
There also isn’t really an option to shoot down everyone for a job interview and remain employeeless like there is an option in dating to remain single. If a business is hiring, they have work that they need to get done, and they don’t have enough employees to do it all (or they need someone with particular skills to do some of it). The hiring manager can’t just be all “nobody was good enough” and not hire anyone, his boss will want detailed explanations on each person turned down as to why they aren’t good enough if a hiring manager tries to do this. The reasons why not will have to be quantifiable and objective (no applicants had the required degree, no applicants that met the qualifications could pass the drug test, etc.). Subjective reasons won’t fly here. The VP of operations doesn’t care for them, he has a job he wants done.
There’s a list of applicants and he has to choose one of them. It would be like if you downloaded a dating app, and it showed you ten men and you couldn’t use your phone until you started dating one of them.
[–]crybb4200 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
it’s perfectly true that approaching women in a bar and applying for a job are not 100% identical. way to analyze.
[–]WavesAcross3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
What does it mean to be locked out? The average 20-40 man has like something like 6 partners. If "average" men had consistent access to casual sex I would expect that to be much higher.
So either men don't really care for casual hook ups, OR men, on average, don't do very well in hook up culture.
Do you disagree?
[–]_anothergumnut_♀🐰1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
How many partners does the average woman have?
[–]WavesAcross0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
IDK.
[–]_anothergumnut_♀🐰1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Well doesn't that make your comment meaningless then?
[–]WavesAcross0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not sure how that # is relevant.
My point is simply that the N count for men is not what I imagine it would be were the average man not locked out which of course depends on what "locked out" means. So I asked.
If she means "a hook up or two between ltrs" I agree they are not locked out.
If she means "Can go down to the bar on a random Friday night" they absolutely are, the numbers don't support most men getting laid that frequently.
[–]DubsPackage3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Average guys /are/ basically incels nowadays in western countries.
Either they're in a string of crappy relationshits with crappy women or they have to put in hurculean efforts to be "interesting" and be like a clown entertaining her and doing everything to make her find him attractive.
Women have no perspective on this because they think some guy who look like Ashton Kutcher and drives a lambo is "just a regular guy" when he's actually top %1 elite, and the average woman nowadays is an alpha widow, she slept with a couple of Chads a few times and thinks that's how all men should be, that's her standard of manhood and who she's hoping to marry.
But statistically she will end up 30 and bitter and think about "settling" for an otherwise "average" guy who "only" make 6 figures, when she herself brings jack shit to the table except a well-used vagina and social expectations of being carried thru life where western society is heavily gynocentric with employers tripping all over each other to hire anyone with a gash for upper management.
[–]TheReformist9414 points15 points16 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
No, the problem is you define 80% of men as below average, and you are entitled. Females always think they're entitled to satisfy their hypergamy, when the answer is, no, lock down a beta, and maybe, if your smv permits lock down an alpha.
Yet another post trying to deny the pareto
[–]Pontifex_Lucious-II8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nice yelling session coach!
Yes many who complain online are not average. This analysis relies on the 1:1 assumption- women choose from the best of available options as oppose to let their hypergamy run loose. Or men don’t cheat with hookers because their wife is obese.
You are right. But you haven’t discovered a new element. TRP covers uggos to dead bed rooms. Each situation is unique.
[–]Hydrakeen11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (21 children) | Copy Link
You need proof?
Shall I dm some nudes and my bank statements?
All kidding aside, I hear you saying the world hates below average men.
Truth is, the world hates you exponentially more the farther from perfect you are on all fronts you expose.
Not always true but at first. The more time you spend with people the less these bias are based upon your appearance and the more it is based also upon your other features like personality.
I know I'm above average but I'm not the dudes you are challenging. I'm just bored waiting for the wife to come out with a new dress on for me to judge.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (20 children) | Copy Link
Nope. I’m saying there’s a small contingent of men having a really hard time rectifying that they’re not subjectively attractive to women as they are and they want to it to be on women and society to fix it.
[–]Hydrakeen3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Society should change I believe that.
Those dudes you are shooting at should change too.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Why should society change to appease men who don’t want to put it work?
If I said society should make welfare payments to people capable of working who just don’t want to, I’m guessing you’d have an issue with that?
[–]Hydrakeen2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Must be confused, I didnt state in any way shape or form how it should change. Please don't assume. I could tell you all about it but the society is fucked. Gender issues least important.
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[–]Hydrakeen1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They arent, no one is. But the system is super unnatural and exaggerated the importance of being sexy and looking exceptional instead of tolerances for all types and levels of people. Everyone should have a place and that should be supported and celebrated.
Probably impossible by human nature but it's a web of humanity and it would just be great if there were more focus on real problems like pollution and war and malnutrition and waste and over farming instead of "boys feel entitled to girls because reasons" or "being a girl sucks and is unfair" and "being a boy is getting harder and its ruining the world"
Greed and short sided old fucking idiots are ruining the world AND subjugating the rest of us to be complicit and too distracted to replace and restore natural world order.
Trash subjects as far as my finger can scroll. Talking circles about our shallow trash little opinions about shit that ultimately only matters because we live in such a state of overblown luxury that we've lost our grip on reality and what is important.
This shit isn't.
[–]ForeverNandrolone9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
But that’s the complete opposite of TRP? TRP says it’s the man’s fault and he should improve himself constantly.
Except on this sub, any kind of nominal TRP post gets swamped with a bunch of feminist rhetoric. Which side are you on?
TRP has been phenomenally successful for me and therefore I am a true believer and try to talk about it a lot. I’ve had too much free time to post today and I think I’ve been called a liar and a pedophile several times. I might have to take a break from here.
What’s the point of posting here when no one debates in good faith and just calls you an intel? There may be a bunch of below average men here because you bitches(I don’t mean that perjoratively) ran off anyone with any sense?
[–]fackdack6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Most people who spend a lot of time on reddit are below average. Do you think above average looking women with great lives would spend so much time arguing online about gender relations? That's the sign of a nerdy woman with limited social value
[–]ForeverNandrolone2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You really think so? I guess I can see it.
I assumed lots of young women are rabid feminists now? Or they are like me and not busy at work?
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[–]randomizer3000yells at clouds0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Haha you're so fragile. You should open up more and treat her like a person. Also, don't expect her to do emotional labor. See how easy that was? Enjoy dying alone poorboi
[–]ForeverNandrolone4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
I don’t understand this. Is this a bit?
[–]randomizer3000yells at clouds3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Ya lol. Just the standard responses you get when talking about TRP to women (at least on reddit).
[–]ForeverNandrolone3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Ok thanks for the clarification. I’m a bit cranky today from being called a pedophile, I was going to tell you to fuck off. Glad I held back. 😊
[–]randomizer3000yells at clouds2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Ya sorry. I forget Poe's law sometimes.
[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Yeah sure most guys can get a bad relationship or an ONS once in a blue moon
How anyone thinks that’s a satisfying sex life is beyond me
[–]Freevoulous1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Its not that bad.
An average guy loses his virginity at about 18, and gets married around 30. In the meantime, he has about 5-7 girlfriends. Lets assume each relationship goes for about 6 months before the sex deteriorates and breakup occurs. Lets assume that he has about 3 ONS in his life. Add all of this together, and the guy would rarely go longer than 6 months without sex, and the sex would be good most of the time.
[–]leftleafthirdbranch5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
we not AVERAGE. we are ABOVE AVERAGE.
repeat it with me boys: virginity is cool! virginity is cool!
[–]SSGSSJordanPeterson2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm ugly and i'm proud!
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[–]SILENTSAM692 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I'm not going to search too in depth for you, but this article is about data from a dating app or site called Hinge:
https://hingeirl.com/hinge-reports/whats-the-biggest-challenge-men-face-on-dating-apps-a-qa-with-aviv-goldgeier-junior-growth-engineer/
Here is another based on data from Tinder:
https://medium.com/@worstonlinedater/tinder-experiments-ii-guys-unless-you-are-really-hot-you-are-probably-better-off-not-wasting-your-2ddf370a6e9a
Oh, here is that one about the role income inequality has to play in female sexual competition:
https://www.pnas.org/content/115/35/8722
Really this is something that seems like a study of the obvious. Women are choosy, men are less so. It's like a study on if water is wet.
[–]Sad_Virgin_Beta_Male2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know I'm ugly and socially retarded, and that those are the reason I don't deserve love, intimacy or sex. Thanks for the reminder.
Anyway, it's true that there are more and more incels every day, almost a 20% of young males and growing. So... The problem is not just ugly males being ugly and getting what they deserve.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)11 points12 points13 points 4 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
most people who make those claims have a distorted world view from spending too much time on r/trp and other incel subs.
personally, i think the minority of men who do not get laid or have a relationship spend too much time indoors on the internet or playing video games.
do i have the data to back it up? nah.
however, we do know the zoomers and millennials spend a massive amount of time alone and online.
isolation and depression are common in the developed capitalist societies.
[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
I’d reckon more and more young men spend more time indoors and with their friends, because they’ve realized their efforts with women are useless. As compared to the attractive dudes that get hit on by all the chicks, they would rather enjoy themselves instead of wallow in sadness
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
efforts with women are useless
thats projection
[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
If the effort towards women is just sleeping with them, than these average or below men realize they’ve got almost no chance... so useless
I know a lot of guys would know they are average, have gotten shut down time after time again, and have realized their efforts are fruitless
This right here. I'm a well above average-looking, muscular guy (a little on the shorter side but ehh not too bad) but my social skills lagged behind that of my peers because I spent the vast majority of my childhood on solitary, indoor activities. Come puberty, testosterone hit me like a truck and I discovered my crazy good genetics for building muscle fast in a way that keeps my body fat % really low. Without the social skills to match, I wound up floundering about in sexual frustration throughout high school with only the veneer of a handsome badass as consolation LOL. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn't go back and change my solitary habits because I'll always do what I like doing, but I would definitely inform my middle school self about what I know now!
[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I disagree. I talk to young men all the time in the real world (scary place). Something has definitely changed since I was younger.
Are they really trying? Idk. But many grew up with single mother's so they probably don't know what to do
My issue with this argument: look at poor black communities where the vast majority of boys are raised by single mothers and no fathers. Those neighborhoods aren’t exactly teeming with wallflowers and feminized men.
[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Gangs become the male role model
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Not really relevant to his point though is it?
[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yes
[–]Grek2713 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (24 children) | Copy Link
It's true, I'm not average. I consider myself above average in every way that is valuable. That society has regressed into supporting backwards female behavior isn't a demonstration of my flaws but a demonstration of women being fundamentally flawed as a whole.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)17 points18 points19 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
"It's not me who's flawed, it's everyone else!"
[–]Grek276 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's correct.
[–]banananutbranmuffinMgtow and feminism are psyops.0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I grew up in a horrible shitty ghetto area full of drug and alcohol addicted white folk, ghetto ass black folk and a lot of crazy illegal immigrants. I bent over backwards with my balls in a knot towards a graduate level education to get out of that shitty ghetto area so, in my experience everyone else in my area was terribly flawed and it wasn't necessarily me.
[–]PostModernCommieAnarcha-Femimnist (They, Them)0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
okay
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link
😂😂😂😂
[–]Grek2713 points14 points15 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I will repeat as I have written before, refusal to play the game doesn't mean you can't win in it.
Most women want a fantasy, I'm not going to spend time conforming to that fantasy for the sake of screwing them.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Most women want a fantasy
Why do you believe this? Serious totally neutral question. I honestly want to know what has informed this belief for you.
[–]Grek2715 points16 points17 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Simple, they hate honesty. They hate honesty on the part of their partner, they hate honesty when it comes to themselves. They live in a fantasy about finding a perfect guy and only tolerate his flaws once they are found after the relationship/sex has already happened.
I don't exist to amuse you and I won't go out of my way to do it. This is contrary to what the modern women expects.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
And that’s your choice. It doesn’t make everyone else wrong that they’d like to spend their time around interesting people who engage.
And I could write a book about how much men don’t want honesty.
[–]Grek277 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Ok so you don't debate the reality of what I have written, you justify it.
It is wrong because the traits they are pursuing have been are artificially inflated in worth via the welfare state and media. Their value rests upon society not imploding which is what this behavior will lead to.
Anyway it's also my choice to not accept a LTR from a post-wall slut desperate to get into a relationship after her thing with Chad didn't work out.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
the traits they are pursuing have been are artificially inflated in worth via the welfare state and media.
Lol wut?
Anyway it's also my choice to not accept a LTR from a post-wall slut desperate to get into a relationship after her thing with Chad didn't work out
No one would blame you. Try not arguing against ridiculous strawmen for a change.
[–]Grek276 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Your partner being loyal, dedicated and having perseverance mattered more when you relied on them economically. When the state exists to prop-up women(through artificial means) that dependency reduces so the shift isn't completely surprising.
Relationships are fundementally an economic agreement between two parties.
[–]NockerJoeIt is what it is10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I will back him up. The most success I have with women is always when they project some fantasy onto me and I don't correct them.
Which is the thing. This isn't some sour grapes thing. It's just what actually works
I think one just needs to read OLD profiles to reach this conclusion. Men are also somehow having a fantasy when they say they want an average woman while they say they don't want a fatty, because the average woman has an unhealthy BMI.
[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Things are only worth what someone is willing to pay for them. If your customers don't want what you are selling then it isn't valuable.
[–]Grek272 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Depends if the market is being artificially controlled or not and it's pretty clear demand changes with time. Wait and see.
Either way this doesn't really matter as popularity isn't a gauge of anything. Society can all be drug addicts and want you to be a drug addict, doesn't mean being a drug addict is good.
[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm not making any moral judgement about "good". I'm just saying that when it comes to the sexual marketplace the opposite sex determines what "valuable is.
[–]fackdack4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I absolutely agree with OP.
In the spirit of full honesty, a woman that spends tons of time on this sub is below average. At least half the women on this sub are nerdy argumentative types. Let's be real, young attractive women who have feminine personalities are not on reddit debate subs.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes I saw this the first 3 times you posted it.
[–]Tyler_Gatsbyincel Boogeyman1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
His point still doesn't make you wrong. They seem to think playful conversation, game, and being, "fun" are BS, and women are just dumb for giving a shit about those things.
"But I go to the gym girl! Why can't you just shut up, sit there and stare at my arms until I want to fuck you, dumb ho?! Why you no all just want to have casual sex with me and not care about all this talking and fun shi?!"
But I go to the gym
In their dreams.
[–]crybb4201 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
are you saying young, attractive e women can’t have “masculine” personalities? what’s so unlikely about an argumentative nerd becky?
[–]chaddad90005 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, I was thinking about this. When I was in my 20s, most of the guys in my social circle were decent dudes, socially outgoing, fit, outdoors activities, real jobs, etc. The worst you could say about any of them is they smoked too much weed. Anyway, they're generally 'above average'. But if they broke off with whatever girl they were seeing, they were generally dry for a while and it could be a year or two before they found another girlfriend.
If you asked them "did you have sex in the last year?", the answer might have been "once" or "twice" rather than "no". I suppose the random bar hookup has been replaced by OLD, but it was never some free love nirvana where everyone was having casual sex.
Most of these guys ended-up with women I'd consider attractive, so I think they really were being selective/picky and weren't urgent about settling.
[–]TheJim66Red Pill Man7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
The SMP of your time is very different to the current SMP.
But if they broke off with whatever girl they were seeing, they were generally dry for a while and it could be a year or two before they found another girlfriend.
This is pretty much what happens now for the average dude only there is no casual sex in-between and the relationships they get are of lower quality than they used to get.All in all a pretty crappy sex life.
[–]chaddad90002 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No doubt, but social media and OLD existed. My point is it wasn't a huge source of angst for most 20-something men I knew. Someone would come along and they almost always did. (And maybe social and OLD is just exacerbating this by drowning people in what they can't have.)
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
"I’ll concede that an average guy does have to put in some work to take a woman home, to secure an attractive girlfriend,..."
So if "average" requires some work, then slightly below average requires more work to get the same attractive woman as the regular average.
Average is just average, not set apart but blending into the backdrop. If average guy does not want the average woman then he has to transform himself to be placed into a higher league than average. Otherwise, he gets the chubby to fat average girl.
No need to change your view because you just negated your while post point by saying average has to put in work to get attractive.
If most men are average, but most men want attractive then dating is really hard for the average guy who aims a league above going for attractive.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Most of us who know how to adult have accepted that getting the things we want in life requires some effort on our part. How much effort for our perceived ROI is up to us to decide. But believing that things should be placed in your lap simply because you want them is the hallmark of an adult with a childish mentality.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
True. But you have failed to address anything in my reply. You brought in the attractive woman by saying this is who average guys wants. The average guy would have much more success if he wasn't aiming out of his league.
[–]Freevoulous3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You miss an important factor:
Being an "average" requires some work. But it is THE SAME work that you are supposed to do for yourself, just to have a decent life. You should be reasonably fit not just to get girls, but to be healthy. You should have good income not just to impress girls, but to live a decent and safe life. You should have good fashion and grooming to have a good shot at job interview, sales, be presentable at official occasions etc.
All that "work" is simply living a normal, healthy life. Gay guys do those things as well. Celibate priests do that as well. Fricking buddhist monks do that as well. This is basic homo sapiens level of self-improvement.
[–]gunbusterxl🦄 Licensed Unicorn Hunter 🏹3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I frequent this sub a lot, and I'm pretty sure I've never made any of those statements. There are a few men that do make them over and over again, but I don't think that most male users do. You're arguing against a narrative that doesn't exist.
There are quite a few men making that argument on this very thread.
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[–]NockerJoeIt is what it is8 points9 points10 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Maybe its just me but giving gold on a niche argument sub is kinda sad.
[–]MrHerbSherman🤠 howdy1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey im not saying this post is it but there are some good effortful posts here even if it’s a small niche sub
[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
I doubt I can C your V since these things come down to personal experience. I never had a ton of trouble with women(working in the bar scene) but if I had a dollar for ever guy I have known who hit one or more of your bullet points I could retire. Due to my job, sociable personality and location(a fairly big college city) I can guarantee you I know more people than most people particularly in the age most referred to by this sub. I don't know your experience but in mine I see and hear a lot more experiences pointing to red than blue.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
Maximizing your attractiveness and desirability to increase the quantity and quality of women you get is RP.
Whining that “it’s all about looks so ima just stay in my room with some Warcraft and porn hub until trump forces all women back into the kitchen” isn’t RP.
[–]Goingprorogue2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
It sounds like you agree with RP? Interesting
[–]Christian_Kong80% Natural Red1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Correct, that is blackpill.
[–]the-lone-squidNot the edible squid2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What's with all the gold and silver?
Y'all some rich mother fuckers
[–]Tyler_Gatsbyincel Boogeyman2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Poppy coming in before purge week a' swingin' lol
❤️❤️❤️❤️
[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Lol so many dudes on this sub are actually absurdly delusional. It'd be more funny if it wasn't so sad.
[–]Will_StephensFemcel Larp0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
poppy it's not purge week yet /s
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I’m not purging, I’m keeping it real.
[–]Red__Blue1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Let’s ignore this misuse of the word ‘average’ a very clearly defined statistical measure, for “up to my standards”
Fundamentally this assertion lacks truth, in fact the only value in it is how scathingly intentional it’s been written to make others feel insecure. You don’t believe this, you invented this coagulation of bile out of spite.
Some mean, mean man said something that made you feel VERY bitter, and so you wanted to get back at some amorphous father figure in some other way than getting plowed into the dirt and having another abortion.
Edit: stop using percentages. You don’t know what they mean.
[–]Red__Blue1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment[M] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Be civil.
[–]escapethesolarsystemActually Too Red for "EC" Snowflakes on r/TRP1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Yep, when I was in the United States; only 20% were coupled up with normal weight, normal health, 6/10 or greater women. Most men who were coupled were with 2/10 fatties. Also, for someone who's so sure that other people are "not average" you have a pretty poor grasp of statistics, considering "people outside" is not a representative sample of "all people", since relationship status has something to do with how often people go in public.
Every American man I know who is in a relationship is with a girl that is a significantly lower SMV than him - older, less attractive, less fit, so on, with ONE exception (out of dozens), a 9/10 guy I know who's got a 10/10 wife - and he's probably the most naturally alpha person I've met in my life.
In the US, not virgins, but around 80% were single, and at least 50% desperately so.
Go to the mall— do you see hordes of 80% men with wedding bands and strollers looking like they’re ready to drive off a cliff?
Yes. I worked at a mall for 4 years, I know.
When you stop cherry picking your friends and family who confirm your bias, can you honestly say that 80% of all the men you are royally fucked?
Of all the Americans I know who are married, in 80% of their marriages I can see the red flags that mean they are headed for disaster. 80% (actually, it's more like 95%, I only know of one relationship from that group that is still together) of my high-school male friends who've gotten married more than 10 years ago are now divorced, and per the stories of most of their families, the woman caused the divorce due to being a whore. (The ones I actually know well enough to ask - there's no logical reason to suspect the people I simply don't know well enough to ask are somehow totally different - the mediocrity principle says you should assume your experiences are average unless there is strong evidence otherwise - which your post seems to not understand.) Many of these were supposedly "christian" women too, I know a lot of people who are / were active Christians from my high school time and most of them are divorced now.
It is not impossible for 80% of men.
Impossible? No. A minefield of potential life-ruining problems? Definitely. The sign of a failed society and collapsing civilization is the loss of the middle class - what this means is - the inability of the "average" man to support and have a traditional family given the default circumstances of the society. The United States / English speaking world is a failed society and collapsing civilization (with other parts of western Europe to some degree on the same path) so it's no surprise that the average man can't find a good life.
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Finally, this is important, so read carefully. I live in a different country (Georgia / საქართველო ) now, a country where feminism is not a thing, and where the society's male-female dynamic has not degenerated into what the west is. I can tell that the west is different because I can compare where I live with where I used to live (the United States). The only way to really know you're in the dark is to experience light.
So in conclusion, yes, the men living in the US who are having a terrible experience with relationships and women are average, you are totally and utterly wrong - not to mention really bad at statistics if you are assuming everyone you speak to "isn't average" by default.
[–]Mrapocalisse1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Agree 100%.
[–]banananutbranmuffinMgtow and feminism are psyops.1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I completely agree with you, I'm pretty self-aware now that I'm older and I know many guys who will claim that they're "decent" looking, "why can't I get a girlfriend"?
They assume that just because they're not butt horribly ugly that they must be halfway decent looking, they don't realize that to most women it's a binary. You're either attractive or unattractive. Men project the way they view women onto the way they think women view men.
To men, a 4 or 5 out of 10 woman who makes $36k a year is fine but, to women the male equivalent of that is considered incredibly undesirable.
People project onto to others, it's very common.
[–]Fly_Guy_97Red Pill Man3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Your viewpoint of the 80/20 is so black and white, and I don’t blame you because you’re a woman. It’s not a hard line that determines what portion you are a part of. The 80/20 rule emphasizes general desirability from women, not whether your life is worthless or you are a pathetic virgin like you said.
Male sex drive is higher than woman’s. So when everyone tried to get their fix, the women “desire” the top of the grid. Is that too difficult for you to understand? Because for some reason you are adamant that you have hordes of knowledge and studies, but then make assumptions to people who refute you.
People can still socialize and be in the 80%, people can be married and in the 80%, hell people can have sex and be in the 80%.
Your examples are laughable and your stance is pretty horrible. As much as you don’t want to accept it, you won’t because you cannot fathom being undesirable as a man, while being a woman
but, as a self-professed man, how is it you know the desires of women?
[–]I-wanna-GO-FAST2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (8 children) | Copy Link
How would you know what average is? What does your social circle look like, and what leads you believe that the men that you personally know are "average"? You are married with kids, so you probably hang out with a bunch of other people who are married with kids...so it seems like you would conclude that this is average, since it's all that you're familiar with.
I actually don't think the majority of men would have too many problems finding a partner though...as long as they were willing to make some huge compromises.
For starters, I think an "average" man in the US that isn't overweight would have a huge problem trying to find a girl that's his looks match, if he isn't especially wealthy/handsome/charismatic. Most people are overweight, so the competition for women who are a healthy weight is fierce, and a man who wants one usually has to have something special about him.
Then of course there is the issue of marriage. The average guy would have to sign away the rights to half his shit if wants to be with someone that is even close to being his equal. And even then, they're not likely to have a happy and lasting marriage.
Or a guy can get with a single mother that is desperate for a replacement father, lol.
The dating market may not be completely hopeless for the average man, but it sure looks bleak.
[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
If I had a dollar for every time one of our beloved PPD males made the following statements, I could retire now: average men can’t get laid/are incels average men are ignored by women average men are essentially locked out of hook up culture average men can’t get quality sex the best an average man can hope for is being beta buxed by an alpha widow who will never want him
If I had a dollar for every time one of our beloved PPD males made the following statements, I could retire now:
At best, you've focused on three of these supporting them with words (and 0 with sources/proofs), which makes a nice ad hominem in a strawman costume.
So I’d just say this: walk outside your door. Do you see that only 20% of men you see are coupled up? Go to work — are 80% of your co-workers single virgins? Go to a bar or nightclub, are 80% of men you see standing against the wall talking to each other? Go to the mall— do you see hordes of 80% men with wedding bands and strollers looking like they’re ready to drive off a cliff? When you stop cherry picking your friends and family who confirm your bias, can you honestly say that 80% of all the men you are royally fucked?
I mentioned recently to my colleague that modern sex dolls have realistic boob/ass jiggle and skin texture, and are shipped sealed with hymen-like membrane in every orifice. He got visibly nervous and intrigued, and later admitted that he couldn't sleep that night. The guy is in second marriage, has three kids, expecting the 4th, and jokes about getting menthol cigarettes (that are believed to lower male libido).
[–]Goingprorogue2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
and jokes about getting menthol cigarettes (that are believed to lower male libido).
😰
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
...modern sex dolls have realistic boob/ass jiggle and skin texture, and are shipped sealed with hymen-like membrane in every orifice.
Hmmmm...
[–]TheDorkKnight5552 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't understand your need to be so rude
[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Did you say "ppd males" when you meant "incels", some of which also happen to post on ppd but don't represent anything close to a majority?
[–]Kos_-_Omak2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
No of course not. Personally I'm way above average. But you're deadass wrong about everything else. There ARE a LOT of guys struggling with women, and many of them are average or better.
You're making a lot of completely incorrect assumptions and like most women you suck at understanding math and statistics. TBH, it's obvious that you really just made this post because you want to shit on men here because you're a bitter, low SMV woman. But I'll pretend it's in good faith and play along.
A man's overall ranking compared to all other men isn't what matters. It's basically irrelevant because women care about multiple independent factors. To keep it simple, let's just say that women care about a man's looks, career prospects, and personality. Women want a guy who is at least average in all of these areas.
Or to be more accurate, it's almost always a complete dealbreaker if a guy is below average in any of these areas. This fact is important because it means that a guy who is below average in one area usually can't make up for it by being above average in a different area unless he is exceptionally above average. An ugly dude can't make up for his below average looks with a slightly above average income or personality, he needs to be rich af or charismatic af. A dude with a below average job needs to be EXTREMELY good looking for women to ignore it.
No chick wants to date a guy who is uglier than most of the guys around her. No chick wants to date a guy who is poorer than most of the guys she knows. No chick wants to date some guy who has a below average personality.
Here is the math part:
If a guy who doesn't have any of those dealbreakers isn't merely in the top 50% of men overall. Those 3 factors are (mostly) independent and random. 50% of men have below average looks. 50% of men have below average money. 50% of men have below average personalities. BUT IT'S NOT THE SAME MEN.
It's not 50% of men who are above average in ALL of these things, it's
50% X 50% X 50% = 12.5%
That's not my opinion, that's not RP theory, that is completely objective math/statistics.
In reality, it's actually a little more than 12.5% because those factors aren't completely independent and because there are a small number of men whose flaws get ignored because they are exceptional in one way or another. But the 80/20 rule does fit this very well.
This is mostly just hyperbolic screeching. No one claims that the 80/20 rule means that 80% of men are virgins. That's an obvious low effort strawman.
But to your larger point yes, I do go outside and see LOTS of totally normal, relatively average men struggling with women. They don't have girlfriends, they aren't having ONS or hookups often or ever.
The 80/20 rule and all that isn't some bullshit that we made up out of thin air. Most people ASSume the same thing as you - that the vast majority of men and especially any man who is above average, should have no problems with women. That only extremely low value losers would struggle.
But that's not how it works in real life. Anyone who actually observes what's happening in an objective, non-biased way will see this clearly. And RP came up with these theories to try to explain these non-intutive observations.
OK, this is an obvious tell that you're bullshitting. Anyone who goes to nightclubs and bars will know that this is very common.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
Define “struggling with women.”
Cause here is something else I’ve noticed about your generation. Your consistently act surprised when life isn’t easy. Dating has always been hard. If it wasn’t people would never get married and just date forever.
If “struggle with women” means it’s not a picnic then yeah lots of men “struggle.” Just like men always have. You’re not special.
[–]Kos_-_Omak0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No girlfriends, no ONS or hookups, can't get dates or if girls do agree to go out on a date they're just looking for a free meal, etc.
Note: I'm not a blackpill/incel who thinks it's hopeless. I think it's possible for most guys to make it to the top 20% overall and start being more successful. But it will probably take a lot of work and discipline.
Dating has always been hard.
I never said it wasn't. But it's definitely different now than it was for boomers or gen x. I mean, pretty much everything in life is very different now vs 20, 30, 40 years ago. I don't think anyone can deny that.
One of the things that is different is the complete shift to hookup culture. Yes, people in the past hooked up and had ONS. Yes, some people in the past were even sluttier than the average person today. No need to boomersplain. The difference is that hookup culture has become predominant and everyone is forced to be a participant, willing or not.
There are people out there (of both genders) who want to date seriously and have LTRs with marriage as the end goal and not have sex right away with someone they barely met. But if you to use that strategy in the modern "dating" environment that is focused on hookups, you'll fail hard. Women who don't put out right away or refuse to be in casual relationships will get ghosted, and men who take girls out on dates and don't push for sex will either get used for a free meal or get rejected. Everyone is forced to play the hookup game if they want to have any chance of success.
The other thing that has changed is that everyone is choosing from a much larger pool of people. This skews women's standards and expectations a lot more than it does men's because women are hypergamous.
The very top guys (who women disproportionately focus on) are doing well, at least in terms of sex. They can get hookups and spin plates and all that. And if that's what they want, good for them.
The majority of guys (who women tend to ignore, including the truly "average" guys) aren't doing that well. Most women are focused on the top guys, and the average guys can no longer fall back on BP beta-style game and offering up committment, long term stability, etc like the average men of previous generations due to hookup culture.
[–]webernicke1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
Better question...so what if PPD men aren't average? Do you regularly just say "tough shit" to people that aren't average in other ways when they're trying to cope?
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
what if PPD men aren't average
A given. It wasn't always this way but it sure is now.
Do you regularly just say "tough shit" to people that aren't average in other ways when they're trying to cope?
Funny how this crowd is the first to tell everyone else tough shit.
Woman gets assaulted? Tough shit. she shouldn't have put herself in the situation.
Woman tired of wasting their 20s being forever gfs to men who won't commit? Tough shit. She should have married the imaginary 22 year old whose dying to tie the knot.
Kids of men who didn't want their parental responsibilities starve? Tough shit. She shouldn't have used protection because it isn't my responsibility to do so. Or she shouldn't have divorced him. And if he divorced her still tough shit cause she picked wrong.
Man lies and cheats? Tough shit. She picked wrong.
These guys need to realize that people are judged by what they say and if everything you say makes you sound like a whiny, bitter, entitled, cognitvely dissonant misogynist who refuses to acknowledge that you own glaring flaws are what's holding you back you're going to be regarded as such.
[–]_derekhawkins2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Lmfao this comment wreaks projection and insecurity. I know for a fact now you had an abusive ex in the past and we’re told tough shit. I almost feel bad
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I know for a fact now you had an abusive ex in the past and we’re told tough shit.
What the fuck are you talking about?
[–]_derekhawkins1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Not rocket science, based on the amount of projection in the previous comment I concluded that you suffered from half the stuff in your post, namely an abusive ex
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 5 points6 points7 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
All things that are routinely said here, which you are well aware of.
Now please explain what that has to do with me.
All of your points are clearly just terrible women, right? After all, according to you, good upstanding women would never get with a man who has a bad personality, and therefore never suffer any of these misfortunes. And you clearly don't care about men with terrible personalities. So why would you care if these terrible women are told tough shit?
Also, what is this supposed to mean?
[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Dude you are seething with bitterness this is clearly a bad faith argument. Men are not entitled to women. I agree. The thing is you are conflating being attractive with being good. There are shut in's with hearts of gold, and charming extroverted murderers. An attractive personality, being charming and charismatic is not linked to morals. Ted Bundy, Hitler, and Charles Manson were all very charismatic and they were terrible people. Being a good person has nothing to do with making pussies wet or cocks hard. You're saying these things with the implication that if you can't get laid it's because you're a bad person and there is no other reason. Frankly if you think that the only reason nobody wants to fuck someone is because they are a piece of shit, you're an idiot who isn't even worth arguing with.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't see how it's a strawman but ok.
[–]MILFBucket1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Mathematically, men can't have more partners on average than women do unless bisexuality is taken into account, or something unexpected like that. Those studies are flawed because they're based on self-reporting. I'm also skeptical of those marriage studies' methodologies.
Everything else checks out.
[–]_anothergumnut_♀🐰1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
"I rely on studies except when they don't back up my beliefs"
[–]MILFBucket3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, I take all studies with a grain of salt. And I NEVER swear by any ONE STUDY. Red-pillers will take that one OKCupid study to their graves lmao or, even worse, that one Tinder study with n = 27.
"All studies that agree with me are correct even if they contain obvious lies"
It is impossible for men as a whole to have more female partners, than females as a whole have male partners. Every man who has slept with a woman equals a woman who has slept with a man.
Now you could have questioned u/MILFBucket on what exactly is wrong with the marriage studies' methodologies, if that was the part you were referring to.
[–]AlwaysNick1091 point2 points3 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Good post, the amount of coping and indoctrination in incel culture is insane. Most incels look like this and get their life dictated by the experiences of someone who looks like this. There is two possibilities of all the bullshit that is spewed: 1. The guys who say average can't get girls, are not actually average or close to it. 2. The guys who say average guys can't get girls are average, are so impressionable and emotionally weak, that they fail due to themselves being in their own way.
[–]FafaRifaFansi0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
r/incelselfies
[–]Shanguerrilla0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You are Damn right I'm not average.. Just never claimed to or had those issues.
I completely agree from my feelings, life, and experience---
-average, not average man
[–]volchonok10 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
"are 80% of your co-workers single"
Well, not 80, but 35% of my male coworkers are single. While out of the female coworkers (current and past) only a couple were single for any substantial amount of men. So just from my anecdotal experience it looks like for men dating is harder.
[–]Thounumber1Indian American STEM Bro0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is mostly correct actually... where I live, most men are not coupled up based on what I observe.
[–]tgertcherTake The Grimace Pill0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
The thing is many incels are actually average in looks but are weird and shy. As a guy being weird or shy is a death sentence in dating. It just usually doesn't negatively affect women as much because they don't have to take the lead. Also, being quiet or shy are somewhat expected of a girl because of gender roles. Look on r/incelfies, a good chunk of those guys are alright looking. The issue is people say you can change your personality more than your looks but you can't fix neuroticism, shyness, body language, or demeanor any easier than you can fix being fat. In fact, exercise and fashion improvements are much more straight forward than fixing being a weirdo or lack of a social circle. Plenty of people on r9k are in great shape for example but are very "autistic".
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Actually you can fix all of those things. It’s not easy but you can do it.
[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Autism is incurable.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
These guys aren't autistic. They like to tell people they are because they think it gives them an excuse to be rude and abrasive and socially clueless. Every time a guy here claims to be "aspbergers" I ask if they've been diagnosed. "No, but I just know I am."
The one person Im aware of here with a legit autism diagnosis /u/philomexa is one of the most insightful and articulate posters here and from what I can tell lives a very normal life.
Autism my ass.
[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
WestSideMoonWalker has a diagnosis as well. I suspect that a decent number of these guys have legit diagnosable autism.
[–]poppy_bluAARP sent me a birthday card[S] 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Another highly articulate and insightful poster.
I'm noticing a pattern here....
True. I would say it's very difficult, probably the most difficult thing you can do as a person with few problems in a first world country, but it is possible.
[–]Psych0_W0lf0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would like to know what you think of this video
https://youtu.be/7vqRbScCIPU
[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
Median lifetime N count of hetero guys is 5. That is the definition of beeing locked out of hookup culture.
[–]FereallyRedglowing at 800 Celsius0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The lower 80 still fuck the lower 80.
Plowhorses needed to plow the fields, stablehands needed to service the horses.
We're talking classes not absolutes.
Like AWALT, and most shit in existence, the reality lives on a bell curve.
We're just talking the best location on that curve.
[–]couldbemage0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't disagree with your main point, but once again:
It's literally impossible for men to average more partners than women. Unless you count homosexual pairing.
[–]FaraunLoveShady0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
TL;DR: We're just ugly and that's we're here
Totally agreed on that.
[–]AsclepiustheSage0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The "average" man reportedly has 6-7 partners throughout his lifetime - in reality, it's probably less than that. That may not make you an incel, but I can assure you it's far, far less than most men would desire.
They absolutely are. The bottom 80% of men on Tinder are all squabbling over the bottom 20% of women.
They abso-fucking-lutely are. See above. Even the large majority of men who get laid only do so in relationships. Then again, hookup culture is a myth, so I guess technically everyone's locked out since it doesn't actually exist.
Yeah, thought by working out and being social with a good job I could be average. Yeah nope.
[–]HC73_180 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
“men have more sex partners than women”
How is this possible? Assuming that the population is 50/50 men and women, shouldn’t each man-woman pair add a tally to each side? How can one side end up with more partners than the other side?
[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account[M] 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This thread is flaired CMV which means you have to attempt to change OPs view with every top level answer.
As a result I've had to remove this. This comment is welcome under automod.
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