CMV: Women don't want to be treated like a person and a man doing so is counterproductive to both of their desires.

rosephase · 2020-06-14T21:43:51+00:00

Your "hypothesis" requires you to not believe the only people who can tell you if it's true or not.

I enjoy being a sexual object to men I'm attracted to and have sex with. It's hot and lovely. But that is very different then wanting a dude I'm dating to make all my choices for me. That is creepy, controlling and completely against my deep need for personal autonomy.

I make my own choices in my life. I have no interest in having a romantic partner make them for me.

Silly_Field · 2020-06-14T21:40:31+00:00

Leading someone is not ‘objectification’.

By this definition I’m objectifying my assistant because I tell her what her tasks at work are.

This whole post is such melodrama.

FlavFal · 2020-06-14T21:51:15+00:00

That's mostly sub women.

hiyaimahuman · 2020-06-14T21:34:02+00:00

I’m confused. Could you summarize what you meant?

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-06-14T22:43:44+00:00

So you think benevolent sexism is appropriate? NO. This is 2020, we don't play that shit.

This is a big mistake. Women have no problem with being used, but they want to be treated nicely in the process.

So she was asking for it?

Pola_Lita · 2020-06-14T23:36:06+00:00

This isn't CMV. This is "I want to trash women" disguised as CMV.

Troy016 · 2020-06-14T21:41:43+00:00

Well yes because women want to belong to their desired man. Treating women like their a regular person means you don’t care or value them

saladfingers4141 · 2020-06-14T22:30:22+00:00

Male lead relationships and female deference have been the norm for centuries and a lot of women still prefer that dynamic.

What you described isn’t objectification, you think women liking a man to plan a date is them wanting to be treated as sub human? Learn what words mean before you write a big dramatic post about it.

kiwii_x · 2020-06-14T23:26:54+00:00

finally, he gets it

2020-06-14T23:27:45+00:00

You're wrong.

Source: am woman.

That should be enough to say, frankly, but I would point out that the majority of women manage to make our own decisions just fine on our own, because we're adults.

If you have problems with getting a woman to plan stuff, to be honest the reason is probably that she's either not that into you and doesn't find the effort worthwhile, OR that when she does those things, you react in a way that make her feel unappreciated if not denigrated for her efforts, which again makes it not worthwhile.

2020-06-14T23:28:02+00:00

I don't see how this is desirable for a long-term relationship.

My mother is the breadwinner for my immediate family. Whenever she decides to take a new, higher-salary job and move halfway across the country my dad follows. Her earning potential is higher, he knows this, and he chooses to support her moves because it makes sense for their financial goals.

I already have an idea of where I want to live and what I want to do with my life. If a man thinks my goals are irrelevant and should take a backseat to his then we're both wasting our time.

These are the kinds of things you have to take into consideration when talking about wanting to be treated as "objects." A man who actually cares about his SO's goals and compromises to accommodate them is treating her like a person, a man who doesn't is straying into object territory.

DubsPackage · 2020-06-14T22:33:21+00:00

There is an old manosphere saying : "Women want a polite thug."

Women want to know that you are smart enough and dark triad enough to use them for your own purpose.

That makes them feel that you're not a wimp, that you're a results-oriented person.

BUT

In that process they want to be treated well and have their own needs met.

So #1 is you have to get your needs met before her, otherwise you're a weak man and she will despise you for being weak.

#2 is she wants to have her needs met (security, warmth, emotionally present, etc etc.)

Goes along with "Have the options to cheat but never will."

Women will sometimes compromise on #2 but never on #1, if you treat her needs as more important than your own, she will lose interest and be out the door.

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-06-14T23:34:00+00:00

Removed for low effort.

nicestnicer · 2020-06-14T21:28:53+00:00

nice

Mrs_Drgree · 2020-06-14T22:37:09+00:00

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2020-06-14T22:45:59+00:00

WUT?

For one, people are not 1-size-fits-all, I am a guy, and just like I don't agree with generalizations about guys as in all guys are the same, generalizations about women, as in all woman fits the same "something" are - by their own definition - wrong.

"treating a woman like an object"? What planet are you from? Doesn't matter how much I disagree with someone, they are humans, not object. Sure I am dominant in sex, and there might be some "scenes" where consensually I might treat a woman as an object, with her explicit consent and willing participation. But that's in a certain context and in private; and my experience is that the best women who really and truly enjoy being objectified in sex, are the ones who are highly accomplished in life, highly educated, and smart AF.

Women virtue signal about being treated like a person, but this is all an act. Those same women want to be lead and dominated in a relationship, put in their place, and have decisions made for them. Inside of a relationship with someone they love, they prefer being treated as if they have no agency.

I am not saying that this is 100% wrong, but it's not 100% right either. Making life black and while, or treating a person as either or is very narrowminded and . . . will lead to disaster.

Whenever women are treated as a person with agency, they immediately hate it.

Same as above.

This is my hypothesis. CMV.

I don't need to, and this is why:

You're not open to have your view changed, and... that's OK. Really
There's something called "Reality", and Reality is really wonderful, it's the ultimate teacher and feedback mechanism. So ... have your eyes and ears open: is this worldview working for you? And - most importantly - when it's not working for you as intended, do you go back to the drafting table and revise your hypothesis? Or do you complain, blaming the world and the people involved that they are not acting the way they are supposed to?

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Sultmaker_9000 · 2020-06-14T23:34:19+00:00

Yes true. But sadly most women are too masculinised today with a head full of rubbish and try to be equal. Which is like trying to play a chess with 2 kings, whilst theoretically possible it will almost always lead to failure.

Despite women getting everything they have waned via the feminist demands in the workplace, and (equality everywhere) women consistently report they are more and more miserable with each passing decade.... because it is not their natural biology.

I have only ever had relationships with women that I can keep in their natural subservient feminine frame, when I am absolutely on point with my masculine frame; the doe eyes and love you can get from those women is a different level.

Title	CMV: Women don't want to be treated like a person and a man doing so is counterproductive to both of their desires.
Author	_Neon_Shadow_
Upvotes	14
Comments	69
Date	June 14, 2020 9:28 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit	/r/PurplePillDebate
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