discussion: is it really that hard to be attractive?

saladfingers4141 · 2019-11-24T08:47:38+00:00

I don't think wearing cheap Chinese knock off clothing and not being obese makes you attractive.

I get your point, stay in shape and you're more attractive than 2/3 of the country already but that doesn't necessarily make you attractive

87AudreyHorne · 2019-11-24T17:24:41+00:00

People dont hang around evenly distributed population. People of certain looks, background, lifestyle and age are grouped together. A model lives a life being a dime in a dozen in his/her group, a fatso thinks your average realistic person weighs 100kg and every movie is science fiction.

Lesson: insert yourself in a group where you're the hot shit and make your preferred illusion a reality.

the_calibre_cat · 2019-11-24T15:58:21+00:00

Women are about 10,000,000% dialed into details more than men are. You can be well put together, but a scuff on the shoe or too much pet hair on the right wrist of your wool jacket stick out to them - and that's before unalterables like height or hairline.

volchonok1 · 2019-11-24T11:15:59+00:00

the bar has never been lower.

Only in the US (and I guess it's different in various US areas as well, since it's a large country). Now come to northern Europe, where obesity rate is much lower, average male height is above 5′10″ , basically everyone goes to the gym, and every 2nd person looks like he/she could be a model...it all makes it incredibly hard to stand out. So it all really depends on the location you live in.

DXBrigade · 2019-11-24T16:09:15+00:00

Being attractive is not just about being slim.

Kmob92 · 2019-11-24T13:36:59+00:00

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Orange_Paisley · 2019-11-24T16:50:15+00:00

I’m 48, marginally feminine since I don’t really wear makeup, and short and stout like the proverbial teapot. I have never had a hard time dating because I am cute and blonde/blue with comically large boobs even at my skinniest. There was about 3-4 years when I eschewed dating because I thought I was too old or too fat or too damaged, and also because I wanted to wait till my little Paisley moved out the house. But once I let go of my hang ups I realized that they were just that - my hang ups. Plenty of men and more than a few women were still attracted.

reluctantly_red · 2019-11-24T08:52:59+00:00

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NockerJoe · 2019-11-24T09:31:08+00:00

Being a healthy weight and working out regularly both have percentages way higher than top 20% and the guys who get by on looks alone are under 5% of that mythical top 20%. The number of guys who regularly get Tinder matches, which are based on looks alone or as close as any system can get, is about 4% give or take. If you're not in that 4% you're going to struggle to seal the deal even if every guy who wants to fuck knows there are girls who want to somewhere on that app.

THE OKC study said 80% of men were unattractive, it said 81% of men were worse than average. The overwhelming majority of those guys were rated as average and the overwhelming majority of those guys remaining were considered slightly above average. The rung above that has a whopping 2% of dudes in it and literally no guys were considered in the highest category at all. The amount of women placed in that category alone was almost as much as every single dude above average put together.

For a man in the OLD era to be considered attractive he's gotta be something like the top 5% of men to really reliably get results, and that's being generous. Meaning that only one in twenty men get there. Even assuming 100% overlap with any category that means 75-80% of guys who work out regularly aren't attractive and only like one in six or seven guys who are at a healthy weight are either.

The low bar is lower, but the high bar is much, much higher. There's way too many new supplements and workouts and studies on fitness, so the really fit dudes are some of the fittest in history. The dudes choking down testosterone boosters or getting some mild cosmetic surgery push that high bar higher and higher as they try to get over it. So do the multitude of guys who dress well enough to make it the norm in many areas. As we see from those studies showing an increase in sexlessness success is also so heavily stratified to that top 5% lower tier guys are getting less and less at a rate that's jumping much higher than obesity and not consistent with obesity statistics. It is however an exact line up to web2.0 and the services associated with it in relation to the SMP.

shonenhikada · 2019-11-24T13:12:06+00:00

You realize female attraction to men are tied to hardcore genetic traits your born with from birth right?

BumblingBeta · 2019-11-24T15:39:21+00:00

It's obviously not hard for a woman to be attractive. Men find such a wide variety of women sexually appealing, it's almost comically easy to be attractive as a woman.

It's way way harder for a guy to be attractive and mostly comes down to genetics sadly.

You're saying this from the perspective of a female, so of course you don't think it's difficult to be attractive. The bar is set so low for females, that's why. All the pressure on women to look good comes from other women.

wingbark · 2019-11-24T09:18:52+00:00

I wanna say no but I also lucked out with genetics so 🤷🏾‍♂️ YMMV

i_have_a_semicolon · 2019-11-24T14:56:36+00:00

It's not hard to be attractive, if you were born with good genetics.

Personally I struggle with weight. Not being fat, just how my fat gets basically only stored in my stomach. So I need to lose 20 lbs. Sure I look good because I dress to give myself the appearance of a waist and curves. But I know the reality Because I see myself naked.

Anyway, it's probably a little hard to achieve the body I want. Restrictive dieting and consistent exercise. That's not easy by any means. But not impossible. It's much easier to chill on the couch and eat what I want without weighing and tracking it. But the gods honest truth is if I'm not working on my body, I'm depressed about not working on my body since I don't meet my own body standards. People act like I don't need to. Y'all don't see my tummy !!!

terrapinninja · 2019-11-24T21:12:46+00:00

It's all relative. The most attractive people are scarce, and everyone else wants to look like that but generally can't because they lack the bone structure, hormones, healthy upbringing, time and resources and training, diet, dental care.

But to be decently bangable? No that's generally not hard for most middle class people. Go to any college and nearly everyone is bangable despite not putting in that much effort usually

reluctantly_red · 2019-11-24T12:15:20+00:00

Once a person is fat getting lean is incredibly difficult without surgery. Diet and exercise regimes have a 95 percent failure rate.

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wtknight · 2019-11-24T16:17:35+00:00

No. The women I’ve dated have been content with me wearing clean t-shirts and jeans, having a decent haircut, and an average fit but not muscular body.

slavicgypsygirl · 2019-11-24T18:24:37+00:00

I feel fortunate that people like the way I look but I also live a very disciplined restrictive lifestyle that most wont

SDW137 · 2019-11-26T09:56:14+00:00

It depends on where you start out. Some people will never be considered attractive no matter what.

IwantyoualltoBEDAVE · 2019-11-27T09:00:52+00:00

I too think a little make up and some toning would do men a world of good.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2019-11-24T11:49:43+00:00

No. No it isn't.

QuestionablePresenc3 · 2019-11-24T09:39:32+00:00

How do you define attractive? I'm tall-ish and reasonably fit, but I'm still invisible to women in my daily life. Sure, my looks are decent enough to not disqualify myself immediately, but I would call that "baseline", not "attractive".

ontherailstoday · 2019-11-24T10:04:33+00:00

Well. There's attractive enough to be fuckable, and then there's attractive enough to make your partner feel you're not easily replaced same for same. The first one? A little harder than it used to be, modern lifestyles do not tend to keep you thin without added effort. The second one? Hellishly difficult for many, we see too many images of really good looking people who have then tweaked their images digitally to fit the fashions of the day, there are people now who can't tell the difference between an attractive face with some sort of unique character to it (the nose is large but suits the face, the teeth have snaggle but the smile is generally pleasant, there's a couple of beauty spot style moles, etc) and an unattractive face.

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-11-24T20:19:10+00:00

Honestly it's really not that hard. Don't be a skinny-fat soy boy. Don't be a complete fuck up at life. Don't be a complete social retard.

Title	discussion: is it really that hard to be attractive?
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Date	November 24, 2019 8:44 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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