Do you think that the manosphere underestimates the power of money in a man's SMV?

NockerJoe · 2020-01-26T18:32:42+00:00

Money is a beta tactic.

JaJammerJan · 2020-01-26T19:27:20+00:00

For instance, he can fly girls from any state to his apartment(no roommates), he can get IG models through photoshoots, he can get trips to LA or Las Vegas. He can rent a room in a Yacht through Airbnb. He can get a table at a nightclub. The list goes on and on. This guy is getting laid 6 or 7 times a month with different girls.

Yeah so the guy is paying shitton of money to get women, probably more than if he just hired a prostitute lmao.

Imagine spending the money to fly girls to your appartement 6 or 7 times a month with different girls. He would need to have the equivalent of a top 0.1% income in my country (Netherlands) to be able to afford that. Unreachable for any average guy.

Nah I'd rather push my luck with plastic surgery and try to become the top 10% in looks required to be chad. Much better odds than to reach top 0.1% income levels, which is most likely also gonna required 60 hours/week workweeks. And all that for some betabux pussy lmao.

blackedoutfast · 2020-01-27T01:10:56+00:00

This guy is getting laid 6 or 7 times a month with different girls.

Unless you literally see the beta bucks guy put his penis in all these Insta-thots' pussies I would be hesitant about believing anything he says. Guys like that tend to be completely full of shit and heavily exaggerate how successful they are. I wouldn't be surprised at all if the fratty bro was actually getting more/better girls.

And even if he is fucking some of these chicks, it's basically just a really inefficient form of prostitution. You would be MUCH better off just getting escorts instead of trying to impress girls by getting a table at a club and all that.

Or better yet, use the money to improve your own SMV (gym membership, tailored clothes, etc) so chicks will actually want to fuck you instead of just doing whatever is necessary to extract resources from you.

goneaway2thewind · 2020-01-26T19:06:02+00:00

If you're going to pay you might as well get prostitutes. Unless you have a kink for women pretending to actually love you.

BertTheWelder · 2020-01-26T19:49:40+00:00

Having money can get you proximity to women, yes, but that doesn’t mean they’ll fuck you. I always hear about guys who have money get laid by gold diggers. I have a Ferrari and a Lambo in my garage and I haven’t had any experience close to that. Renting a yacht and letting models get on it doesn’t mean they’ll put out. Yeah, you can probably pay some of them to fuck you, so that just sounds like prostitution with extra steps. Your friend’s experience has not been mine.

jonascf · 2020-01-26T22:16:33+00:00

Judging from your replies in the comments I'd say that your #2 guy has goal, just getting laid, that are shared by only a small fraction of men (men in the manosphere included).

Most men doesn't come to the manosphere because they simply wanna get laid. They want love and intimacy or to be desired by women and those things include so much more than just getting to have sex with a woman.

cupcakejar00 · 2020-01-26T22:26:50+00:00

I mean getting laid is easy. But your friend in his 30s may not find a good, worth while women to marry bc women also don’t like guys with high body counts. Just bc you can get a lot of girls, doesn’t mean you have to.

gimpgirl555 · 2020-01-26T18:34:16+00:00

Sounds like an advertisement for betabux/man up to me. While it's true that having a business or a job will make it easy for guys to get laid, I doubt that any guy is banging 2 new girls per week. That's 100 different women per year.

You should have toned it down to make it more believable.

4- Simplistic models(Alpha fucks/Beta bucks) are comforting for some people. More like Beta fucks, Alphas watch porn.

More like no one fucks, everyone watches porn.

akaean · 2020-01-26T21:39:46+00:00

One issue I have with the red pill, is that it not only tends to dehumanize women, but it also tends to dehumanize other men

My friend in the fraternity, he's 22 years old. This guy is an ideal Chad that the manosphere. He's good looking, tall and fit. He's not the top guy in the fraternity but has a lot of friends in Greek life. He's social and charismatic( game). Despite this, he only gets laid twice a month, exclusively with girls within his social circle.

Your friend is more than just a Chad, which is honestly a term of art in the manosphere / incel community, or the greater red pill philosophy. What is time and time again failed to be accounted for in these anecdotal stories are that each individual actor, male and female, have their own goals and desires. Do you have any evidence that your 22 year old friend wants to be getting laid as much as possible, or are you just assuming he does? Essentially projecting TRP ideal of alpha fucks onto him and ignoring what he actually wants.

For all you know, those other responsibilities you mentioned, like

attending meetings, organizing events, playing sports, watching games with his brothers, recruiting new members.

For all you know these are things he loves doing and makes him happy. Do you have any evidence that he feels sexually frustrated or isn't getting laid as much as he wants? Do you have any evidence that his sexual needs aren't being met? Or are you just projecting onto him some ideal of banging a different girl a night because you feel that he "technically could" without taking into consideration whether he actually... "wants to".

2020-01-26T23:23:32+00:00

I think the initial mistake is measuring the value of a man by how many times he gets laid a month.

ohheyhi99 · 2020-01-26T18:40:12+00:00

It’s the reverse IMO. With the exception of blackpillers, much of the manosphere overestimates the power of money in male SMV, especially for young millennial/Gen Z women.

Sexual attractiveness and the ability to get people to have sex with you are not the same thing. Money can make some women want to stick around for the benefits and validation, but I don’t think money can make most women, outside of a small niche, sexually attracted to you. Maybe it can be a cherry on top if she’s attracted to you already, but looks, personality, and status can do far more for raw attraction.

Your first friend could easily hop on Tinder and be a complete manwhore if he wanted to, but he probably doesn’t want that for himself.

reluctantly_red · 2020-01-26T18:17:08+00:00

Most women are externally motivated. What their friends think is paramount. All the friends of a little trust fund princess are going to value money so any guy she dates is going to have to have money. In other social circles money doesn't matter nearly as much.

GoldenAxe_7t7 · 2020-01-26T18:45:57+00:00

Fly girls to his place? Sugar babies? Lol Yeah and I agree with you totally - wealth is more important than looks in the SMV. I’m 42 and I know I have a small shot with chicks in early to mid 20’s UNLESS I display my status. I’m not a millionaire but make low 6 figures and have 0 debt. I’m 6’2” and I know that helps but other than that I know I can’t beat a typical chad out and about ...

Salty-Bastard · 2020-01-26T18:49:44+00:00

You're comparing apples to oranges. #2 has at least a decades worth of business experience over #1 and is entering his high earning zone, #1 may be successful later if he learns how to use his frat network for profit but you would have to wait until he's in his 30's to see the result.

That being said, I'll never understand fools who think broke is sexy.

Zippo-Cat · 2020-01-26T19:47:54+00:00

Not really. Women wouldn't find Bill Gates or Jeff Bozos or whatever sexually attractive just because they're rich as fuck.

On the contrary, I remember a minor excitement over a guy manning a tea(coffee?) stand few years back, just because he was hot.

Of course a woman can still fuck a man she doesn't consider sexually attractive for other reasons(i.e. money) But that's the definition of betabux. And of a whore.

joesmithasdf · 2020-01-27T11:07:14+00:00

Guy 1 probably uses tinder and slays, but you don’t see it, and that would go against your narrative.

Guy 2 says he slays, but he’s hiring prostitutes. That can still be fun... but you believe what he says because it goes with your narrative.

The only people who have the slightest clue I’m bringing girls home are my friends, the occasional neighbors, and people at the drugstore.

Did I get it right?

Tyler_Gatsby · 2020-01-26T18:25:50+00:00

Yes, and little no at the end. All these stem lord guys with engineering jobs or such could be rolling with girls just like your friend if they just stood up straight, and quit walking by women like a beaten dog, and quit looking up at women with fear in their eyes and body language.

Buy them some drinks, mention to buddy how they need to go insert something involving boat/cabin/jet skis/pool/etc. soon, and see what eyes light up. Make your way around the tables/groups/bars with this, and see what all numbers you get.

And the little no is other guys can still probably get laid, it just hurts their RMV. His actual gf quality goes down unless he starts to make the trade off or balances it out more.

Edit: I'm not meaning outright trying to bribe the girls to the girls about going somewhere. I mean you are talking to your friend about plans to do another time, and the girls more fish it out of you and pretty much invite themselves. Some will try.

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TheCheapDetective · 2020-01-26T20:14:42+00:00

Money is not required for ONS/short term/quickfucks but an essential factor for long term mating. Obviously beta males who cannot play the game (lack looks, short or shy) in ONS must gain money or financial stability. This will balance him slightly and thus get him a post wall or near wall women for marriage.

dylang92 · 2020-01-26T20:31:12+00:00

Sure, but money is seen as a resource and you’re not liked for your physical characteristics, but what resources you can provide. Money has nothing to do with SMV, at best it helps with RMV, the amount of zeros in your bank account wont make you Chad. The women who want to fuck him only want his money, no thanks.

oneplasticbike · 2020-01-26T20:58:51+00:00

I think money is underrated in the sense that it enables ordinary men to pursue things that raise SMV (gym membership, getting a pilot license, moving to where attractive women live etc.)

SeasonedRP · 2020-01-26T22:51:51+00:00

Money improves SMV in at least one respect: if you have enough money to be independent, i.e., you work because you want to, not because you have to, your personality/attitude will reflect that, and women often find that kind of personality to be attractive.

brackenz · 2020-01-27T01:11:42+00:00

The second sounds like prostitution with extra steps, not the counter-example I was expecting.

And his wealth seems way above "small business owner", more like "guy who just sold a startup"

Riat567 · 2020-01-27T03:55:42+00:00

not the redpill

2020-01-27T05:32:16+00:00

I think you are off on your judgement about number 2. Doesn't sound like a typical beta.

ThorLives · 2020-01-27T07:40:51+00:00

This guy is the beta guy that the manosphere hammers on. He's average looking and has average socials skills. In the manosphere playbook, this guy should be home paying ONE woman his whole salary and staying at home. Yet the opposite is the case. He has multiple girlfriends and is living a luxury lifestyle... This guy is getting laid 6 or 7 times a month with different girls.

I don't believe you. I'd bet that either you're lying or he's lying.

If he's sleeping around this much and he's not good-looking and charismatic (and you say he's average looking with average social skills), I'd bet money he's either lying or he's paying these women (i.e. they're escorts or sugar-babies) or he's not actually fucking these women (they're just using him for free stuff) but he pretends he's sleeping with them.

It's easy to make shit up on the internet, and I've caught plenty of people making up stories on reddit and PPD.

LillthOfBabylon · 2020-01-27T08:45:22+00:00

He has multiple girlfriends and is living a luxury lifestyle.

He has sugar babies. Thing is, manosphere don't want to pay, even if that's the logical solution, because its not really about sex. As you said before, " I'm not talking about things like having girls worship you or all these narcissistic fantasies " but that's EXACTLY what these guys want. They want to be the dude women are desperate to screw and wont accept that its not their reality (or even reality itself).

They claim "women watch too much Disney", but these guys want too much porn.

exit_sandman · 2020-01-27T09:27:26+00:00

The problem with your guy B-scenario is that money is an "enabler" here; i.e. it facilitates his lifestyle. It doesn't make the women wet for him (although it might help him to attract them).

GoldenAxe_7t7 · 2020-01-27T12:34:50+00:00

Although I don’t quite understand what the op means by “getting IG models through photo shoot?”

CHAD_TDK · 2020-01-28T13:59:11+00:00

Not at all, quite the opposite. The Manosphere at large understands that money is a big driver in attracting women. Of course there are issues in the quality of women that money attracts, the motivators, and the perils.

To be noted: Chad(s) don't need money.

Title	Do you think that the manosphere underestimates the power of money in a man's SMV?
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Date	January 26, 2020 6:12 PM UTC (4 years ago)
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