Fellow red pillers, can you write a few paragraphs giving a brief overlay of blue-pill's issues with redpill such that I would believe that a blue piller wrote it?

fiat_lux_ · 2015-04-07T23:29:43+00:00

Trp encourages men to manipulate women. Women are constantly denigrated and objectified in the sub. Both of these lead to abuse.

Not only that, they base these sociopathic strategies on pseudoscience. Where is the academic evidence of an SMV/SMP? What evidence do they have at all that sociological factors aren't more significant than biological ones in contributing to a gender difference?

What little evidence they do have are used to derive way too much in terms of differences between men and women. The intrasexual differences between individuals are bigger than the intersexual differences between men and women as a whole, and yet rpers will overlook that. This will harm them in the long run as they'll overlook good women or possibly even harm those good women and turn them into the jaded women rpers avoid themselves.

deepthrill · 2015-04-08T00:19:11+00:00

Response from my OP to follow the rules:

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TRP grossly overestimates the evolutionary influence on modern humans' interactions. Understanding generalizations is fine on large population bases, but to say that generalizations apply to an individual girl ignores her agency and unique differences. It doesn't matter if generalizing helps you make "better" decisions over your life, because how could you know that? And what is "better"? You have no idea if the girl you're talking to falls on the "good" tail-end of the distribution, and so trying to apply generalities is pretty dismal and pointless.

TRP places too high a degree on biological sexual drive. For men, we overvalue sex (it's really not that hard to get if you just play a numbers game. Improving your "odds" is silly; you should just see who you naturally connect to.) Woman have full agency, and no girl is going to cheat on her boyfriend with someone "more alpha" unless she was already planning on cheating.

TRP pill is also subject to a high degree of selection bias, in which our tactics will naturally only attract the shallow females that TRP sees as a problem in society. Most well-adjusted females would not find a red pill man and his associated mind-games attractive. Most well-adjust females can see through childish dread game, which is almost always obvious. Females can grow up and change, and to judge a 29 year old on what her former 19 year old self did is simply unfair. It's not wrong to want to settle with a more mature person as you grow up, and there is nothing wrong with that.

Most monogamous girls would not cheat on their significant others for someone better looking or more "alpha". They don't have an inner longing for a stronger more confident, or physically dominant man. They deeply love the man they are with, no matter how he looks, and they love him in exactly the same way he loves her. To say otherwise assumes that TRP understands a woman better than she understands herself. They connect and have comfort, and sex isn't as important as most men make it out to be.

There's nothing in trp which isn't just self improvement. Just exercise a bit, maybe go to r/malefashionadvice, and try to "connect" with women. Stop trying so hard; it's really not as hard as you think it is to get sex.

Just connect. Connect. Do it. It's super easy and definitely well defined. (Okay sorry for the last bit of sarcasm there; couldn't help it :-P).

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So how'd I do, bluepillers?

alcockell · 2015-04-08T08:15:31+00:00

All the self improvement stuff they spout is common sense anyway.

The sub thrives on hating women, just look at their front page at any time. They are about placing women below them to makeselves feel better about the fact that women ignored them.

They rely on the odd evopsych study and then use that to claim its universally true for all women as if half of the species is some entire monolith that have been planning in secret how to subjugate men.

ppd_FrameEnforcer · 2015-04-08T00:14:37+00:00

So how'd I do, bluepillers?

OP, your thread was a question to RPers, and I assumed this last part was more frivolous than anything. However, if you wanted serious opinions on your attempt from bpers, then in the interest of keeping things organized, I'd recommend you move your own attempt into the comments (as a root comment) to get responses from BPers. That would the neatest way to go. Otherwise you could start a new thread with a less misleading title.

LamiaQueen · 2015-04-08T00:09:45+00:00

Women aren't a Satanic cult conspiring to keep men down. They're just people with hopes and dreams of their own and assuming the worst of everyone is cynical. The rage directed at women in the RP sub is futile and a crutch RP men use to stay bitter. People get hurt all the time without resorting to misogyny. The reason behind it is because they're really scared of women. They're scared of how much power women have over them, so they pretend women are all just children who will always trade up for the newer shinier toy so it hurts less when they're rejected.

I would do more but I can't actually remember any other issues BP has with RP off the top of my head so....yeah.

s0und0fyell0w · 2015-04-07T23:45:08+00:00

the red pill stereotypes women and casts them in a negative light and is often 'misogynistic'. it encourages prejudice towards women, abusive relationships and emotional manipulation and is probably doing more harm than good overall in society. red pillers generally avoid emotional relationships because most are very narcissistic (many openly endorsing the emulation of dark triad characteristics) they aim to sleep with many women while simultaneously shaming women for being sluts. and over all they put too much blame on women when most of their grievances are more of the fault of human nature and society in general or even just themselves. the red pill tends to communicate by way of overly simplistic generalizations that overlook much nuance possibly leading to a skewed perception of reality. oh right and of course its only perceived validity as a sexual strategy is based on confirmation bias that is to say acting like a dick attracts a particular kind of women thus potentially increasing the amount of casual sex but thereby reinforcing the skewed perspective (that awalt).

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alcockell · 2015-04-08T08:15:54+00:00

Let's try :

I don't know why you guys need "game" or "plan" or whatever for something so simple. Just have some hobbies, don't be an asshole, and you'll be meeting quality women in no time. With all that "dread game" and emotional manipulation, you're only going to attract terrible women. Just be yourself, let things flow and wait for the opportunity. I'm a 27 years old very attractive woman (or that's what all my male friends tell me) and I have no idea why you guys need "game" or whatever. I have never, never needed anything like that. Just be patient, it comes when you least expect it.

You must really be thinking very low of yourself with all that "self-improvement". For what? For some sex? Maybe if you weren't so bitter, you wouldn't need to do any self-improvement to meet good women. Don't argue with me, I can't stand the emotional abuse you want me to go through.