Her education and income matter, and will matter even more in the future.

Gilmoregirlin · 2022-11-04T16:26:53+00:00

I agree you want a teammate. I am in the workers' comp industry and I cannot tell you how many men I have seen with catastrophic injuries that could either never go back to work again or only at a substantial wage loss. If wife is working earning an equal or more income then they are in a much better situation, not to mention loss of job, being laid off etc. I don't know why anyone would want to be the sole breadwinner that's stressful as heck for the poor person. I almost always outearn the men I am in relationships with, but in my last relationship we lived below our means and had our finances set up so we could survive on either of our salaries alone, specifically one person could make the house payment alone too. They say women are being hypergamous like it's a big thing but we are really just being realistic.

NockerJoe · 2022-11-04T16:04:03+00:00

Theres a weird gap where people who are facing the brunt of economic downturn are doing seriously bad. Like, its become common in my city got people to eithet live with parents well into their 30's or for multiple couples to share a bedroom. But on the other end of the spectrum theres a class of people who still make decent money but aren't really forming relationships.

I think theres a big gap where some people are looking for a generic vaguely educsted self sufficient middle class petson without realizing how rare that has become. Once you narrow it down to the age range of most people here thats genuinley probably a low single digit percent of the overall population.

anon018274031 · 2022-11-04T13:46:20+00:00

Wait do people not realise this?

Of course two good incomes makes life better

DontFeedMeAmTroll · 2022-11-04T13:46:22+00:00

Truth.

I’m a man who makes decent money in tech.

My wife is more educated than me and also does well. This was important to me.

SuperCrazy07 · 2022-11-04T14:33:23+00:00

I think this is more important when you’re younger rather than older.

But, the big thing for me would be that she’s financially responsible.

I’d rather be with a college educated woman who makes $50K/yr and lives within her means and saves a little every month than a lawyer who makes $200K and shits it away on absolutely frivolous stuff while making minimum payments on her debt and no savings outside of some 401K (and I know a lot of people like this, men and women).

briiiana1122 · 2022-11-04T16:47:11+00:00

If you don’t care about income or education then I hope you aren’t also whining about alimony. It literally exists so the baby trapped no income potential partners of those who have income and earning potential don’t stay trapped.

Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2022-11-05T06:54:52+00:00

Maybe money or education doesn't matter in the lusty stage of the relationship for some men. However once the reality of the economy, and the costs of living hits them in the face , Bills due , dreams of owning land or a home . Having childern . The mounting debit will have you appreciative your spouse is educated working a decent job instead of at the Winn Dixie being a cashier.

bsanchey · 2022-11-04T13:18:08+00:00

Ain’t that the truth. We are all poor. Accept it or die alone.

feanoric · 2022-11-04T14:16:04+00:00

I'm more concerned by how many women have huge debt and cannot get a job in the art and social studies they picked.

You are basically marrying her as a financial liability.

DaddysCavern · 2022-11-04T13:27:32+00:00

Life has been harsh for years.

oldfashion_millenial · 2022-11-06T06:00:45+00:00

This is kind of a "no shit" theory that applies to 90% of Americans. 90% of American women want to work and do work. Most of what I've seen on purple pill and red pill forums is directed at the top 10% of the population who have the privilege to still live like the 50s ideal, which is totally ok. But why get up in arms about it? Upper middle class and rich women who grew up that way will mostly marry the same level income men who will be fine with a SAHW/SAHM. These people go to school together, socialize together, hold similar traditional beliefs regardless of their politics and ethnicity, and have the option to do as they please. It seems silly to constantly theorize and project onto one group. I'm new in these forums and shocked at how many men want women they don't have access to in the first place to lower their standards. While also calling the upper class men who support these women's ideals all sorts of names. It's like complaining about the price of LV when you actually shop at Macys.

OhDestinyAltMine · 2022-11-04T14:15:57+00:00

What matters is her net lifestyle expectations vs abilities, and education / class is not a direct benefit just increased solely even from your pov.

Like take Some girl whose “degree” and social success come from an entire upbringing being forcibly dragged across the line of the upper middle class and who works some vague middle managerial position she resents and that makes her stressed and cranky (and thus deeply wanting you to make an income jump and earn for both so she can go run a failing interior design shop or be a realtor). I have seen that pattern play out MANY times, and personally I prefer street smart / realistic lower middle class girls who come with a smaller laundry list of what “normal life” means to them, and i say this as as a double ivy ponce who has made social capital accumulation very important in my life. Point is, if i am exchanging on that at ALL, i prefer someone who values it rather than someone who sees it as a basic minimum.

Basically, any woman walking around like her socioeconomic status MEANS something is not ONLY as repulsive as a smug lawyer bro in a 3 series, but she ALSO often comes along with lifestyle expectations that just increase the nominal value of all your transactions but don’t make you any richer.

Gari_305 · 2022-11-04T13:46:01+00:00

The "beauty" ideal was a big strong woman which could work.

There's no point in marriage u/smallstarseeker and with women being the main breadwinners by 2030 , women at that point will only be used as sex objects, since the prospect of longterm relationships i.e. marriage is dead.

This will inevitably lead to a rise in loneliness and accelerated aging in both men and especially women.

Thus the "beauty ideal" won't be there for accelerated aged women thus why should a man be with her other than recreational sex, if that at all?

As an example, in old, ooold times in my region women weren't just "goods" as in many other cultures.

You mention them as goods, however with this long recession we're about to enter even they are seen as hard workers, they're still won't be seen as a good for their beauty will fade away.

Looks like us men will become MGTOW by default or will have to venture overseas to find the "beauty" you mention u/smallstarseeker

LouisdeRouvroy · 2022-11-05T01:07:46+00:00

Women entering the workforce in droves is what made real wages stagnate for the past 40 years.

Now you need two incomes where one was enough.

Women got what they and the boss wanted. They can't complain to have to do all the work though.

Women demanded to join the workforce but they assumed, without asking, that men would pick up the slack in the house chores. Maybe they should have asked before. And men already made these chores easier thanks to their inventions.

Still women acting shocked that others may not be willing to do things they never agreed to do just so women get the life they want is funny. Well girl, you made your bed, you lie in it. You wanted to be out and working then of course you'll pay your share. But that never implied that you'd have to give up your initial share since your new position never freed time for men: it only devaluated their work which is thus still necessary but can no longer support a family.

LordPeppino · 2022-11-04T15:16:19+00:00

This sounds depressing as fuck.

Ok-Limes-5094 · 2022-11-05T14:50:15+00:00

I'm a guy making six figures in his mid-twenties. I think education and income are a plus, but I ultimately prioritize looks. I don't need something I already have.

Nihi1986 · 2022-11-04T16:23:17+00:00

No, sorry, It doesn't affect my attraction or love to that woman. It doesn't matter, not in that field, if I need a flatmate it can be a friend, doesn't need to be my gf, and if I want to live with her and share everything it has to be attractive to me, not going to dump an attractive gf to get an unattractive but wealthy gf.

It's not only for young people, 'everyone' prefers looks and personality over money when it comes to women.

The rare case of whatever age asexual/aromantic weirdos who want a woman mainly just to share responsibilities doesn't count.

Now...her money does matter, to her, if she wants a certain kind of life or a family. With the current economic situation and inflation it matters in that sense but a woman won't be rejected because of money, if she's rejected it's for other reasons.

What's next? Beta bucks women...? You'd have to be starving or to be a manipulative liar to date a woman for her money.

beleidigtewurst · 2022-11-04T16:17:28+00:00

As an example, in old, ooold times in my region women weren't just "goods" as in many other cultures

They weren't in any culture. You taking Feminist BS too seriously. Kindergartens were invented 200 years ago, way before "women started to work" in Feminist mythology.

If current trends do continue,

There are measurable things that men and women care about.

They are NOT RATIONAL and likely formed by countless millennia. Hence they cannot change because "economy is getting worse".

ZealousidealAd7191 · 2022-11-04T17:26:16+00:00

Its one thing to say two incomes are better than one. That is absolutely true in this economy. It is a different thing for a woman to assume that because they have good jobs they are entitled to higher value men. Having a good job does not make an average woman above average. If you are an average woman and you are excluding average men from your dating pool because you have a good job you are wrong and over valuing yourself. I think that is the heart of the argument RP men are attempting to make however poorly it gets communicated.

md8716 · 2022-11-04T14:53:39+00:00

This just sounds like saying you should compensate for your own mediocrity by latching onto a woman's income.

I propose an alternative solution: don't suck.

That way you don't even need to factor in her income, and can pick primarily based on compatibility and looks. By doing that you open up possibilities with women under the median, as well as over it, therefore doubling your chances of an excellent match.

AidsVictim · 2022-11-04T21:38:05+00:00

Willingness to work and skills that increase income/make a household more economically efficient? Yes.

However for education I think the opposite is true or at least it's substantially less important. It may actually invert for many men and women in value - high debt loads for increasingly anemic payoffs. In an environment with a decreasing population due to low fertility and increasing energy costs (more expensive oil/coal/renewables) office and service (including health service) jobs become less economically viable and manual labour rises in value - this labour value shift would probably have already happened in the West except for mass immigration. I don't think it's a coincidence the groups that benefit economically the most from this immigration (college educated women) tend to be the most in favor of it.

Education only remains valuable if the economics behind it work out. You also have to consider that college educated women are likely to be less interested in relationships with men that aren't college educated and probably have more expensive lifestyle expectations thus decreasing their partner availability/utility for the increasing number of men eschewing college or women who have degrees with low earning prospects respectively.

Personally I also intensely dislike the typical politics of women that have spent substantial time in academia but how mainstream that viewpoint will become I can't say.

tired_hillbilly · 2022-11-04T23:39:08+00:00

But a major reason why everything has gotten so expensive is specifically because women work. We doubled the supply of labor without doubling the demand for labor. It should be obvious why wages stagnated.

LowCreddit · 2022-11-04T20:17:41+00:00

A woman's education and income can only hurt her, never help her. This becomes even more true the broker you get. I would rather live in a trailer with my wife homeschooling while I travel to weld than double income at a fast food joint in order to live in the ghetto next to a drug dealer and send my kids to the local school-to-prison pipeline. The women who can't acknowledge this aren't worth marrying because they would rather have a nice apartment than raise your children correctly.

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JumboJetz · 2022-11-04T15:42:35+00:00

If I’m going to have to marry a fat girl which society might force me to do, then yeah I’m going to pick the fat girl who has the most money. I guess we will soon see the rise of the hypergamous man who has exacting standards for the pool of fat women he has to pick a wife from.

labormarket · 2022-11-04T21:33:00+00:00

Education yes, income no.

You are just using it as a signal…the actual job doesn’t matter.

Ivy League humanities girls are hotter than Ivy League stem girls…

….and while Wharton women are usually prettier than women in other colleges at penn, they are also more “hard”…it’s a toxic combo

Willow-girl · 2022-11-05T00:47:34+00:00

The "beauty" ideal was a big strong woman which could work.

Clearly I was born in the wrong era, lol.

Remember that there are a couple of paths here. Sure, you can pick a high-earning women, but another option is to find one who inclined to be frugal and has good domestic skills, like cooking from scratch.

Diamond-Breath · 2022-11-05T03:28:47+00:00

Being realistic, this will be the downfall of relationships between men and women. Women will always want someone better than them, especially in the financial sense. How can you create the polarity that both sexes want when you need her to survive? Plus, deep down men like to be the leaders and the providers. It'll be chaos all around.

SoIlikeMangos · 2022-11-05T06:00:32+00:00

It is known that children will more likely pursue further education if their mom has gone to university

daddysgotanew · 2022-11-05T16:46:01+00:00

I couldn’t care less what a woman’s job is. I’m anti-marriage, anti-cohabitation, and anti-children. I’ve dated an attorney and I’ve dated a woman who didn’t even graduate high school and only made $500 a week pre-tax at 29; and everything in between. It only matters if you’re a broke ass yourself or you want to get married and have kids. And if I had the choice? Guess which one of those girls I’d fuck again-hint: it isn’t the lawyer….

Me? I’ll make six figs in the next 2-3 years. Young and hot is what matters. Everything else will be secondary.

AdditionalPrice7336 · 2022-11-05T18:45:17+00:00

I can't relate to any of this.

SerotoninSyndrome666 · 2022-11-06T06:24:36+00:00

You should know that women make up 2/3 of college graduates these days (US data at least). Men are going to earn less than women on average some day sooner than later. In my personal life, every woman I’ve dated has out earned me at least by a little bit and often by a lot.

Title	Her education and income matter, and will matter even more in the future.
Author	smallstarseeker
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Comments	152
Date	November 4, 2022 1:05 PM UTC (3 months ago)
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