Hollywood Pushes Male Actors to the Brink of Organ Failure for Shirtless Pics

PM_ME_ZED_BARA · 2021-04-21T02:58:35+00:00

People still significantly underestimate how much it takes for guys to reach their beauty standard. Even with PED, these actors/influencers/athletes still need very strict regimes of diets, workouts, and sleep.

cloudydays84 · 2021-04-21T02:18:59+00:00

It's shitty but not surprising. Back in highschool I had a teacher who did acting while she was younger, nothing too big like extra parts here and there. And obviously a bunch of people asked her what it was like and she said that while she had a lot of fun it's a lot more difficult than some people expect.

There were times where they'd have her and other extras on set in summer clothes in the middle of winter, and they had to stay like that for multiple takes with no breaks in between. Other times they didn't even provide food for them even though they had been working all day. She said things got a lot better once the extras (and other smaller parts of production like grip) actually started to unionize and demanded better treatment.

But stuff like this still happens because that's just the craft. It's hard to talk about it because we praise it when actors "go the extra mile" to get their roles down like look at the how people talk about how much weight Christian Bale lost for The Machinist and then look at all the weight he gained for Cheney.

cowfishAreReal · 2021-04-21T02:05:08+00:00

As any rational human being, I think they shouldn't be doing that, there should be health limits in how much the producers can ask of them

NockerJoe · 2021-04-21T02:54:04+00:00

I work in the film indistry and occasionally get a few days here and there on random CW Dramas, which are known for their attractive casts being shot in flattering ways.

People don't realize the extreme demands that kind of person has on them. The dude who plays Archie in Riverdale has to not only be on a strict diet managed and planned by others constantly, but also work out between individual shots of each shirtless scene because otherwise even with a full team of hair and makeup artists to touch him up about as often, he wouldn't look right otherwise. Thats the standard and that specific dude got into a car accident specifically because of the state he was left in due to the demands of the lifestyle.

Being a male model or actor has always meant this, but the demands have gotten a bit more demanding every year. The guys doing it are generally super nice and a joy to be around but they're all very upfront about the extreme dehydration, the malnutrition, the steroid abuse, and the incredibly strict schedule demanded to reach the status they have and how common it is, all so they can look like they do for maybe a few hours total out of a year, and the rest of the year they don't.

Lateralanouncer · 2021-04-21T02:43:37+00:00

Not to mention the steroids.

Ihateregistering6 · 2021-04-21T03:21:13+00:00

While it's nice to see attention being paid to unrealistic standards for men, it's not like 'guys with unrealistic bodies' is new in Hollywood.

Think of Van Damme, Schwarzenegger, Stallone, Lundgren, and all those other action actors in the 80s. They were all on vast quantities of roids and ridiculously cut.

WestsideMoonWalker · 2021-04-21T02:20:38+00:00

Yea, men are held to hella unrealistic body standards by at least the film industry. I'm quite skinny and I was not comfortable with my body in my teenage years as a result, but I find that since I began dating, women's standards for men are much more lenient than Hollywood's. If anything, I'd actually say my body type was a decently big draw for my partner, as far as initial attraction goes.

It's pretty fucked to make people risk their health to achieve a look for a piece of media. Men could really benefit from a body positivity movement, honestly. I think the idea of body positivity in general is great, but men don't engage with it as much as I think it would be beneficial for them.

Edit: Fun fact. One of my first jobs out of college was training an ML model to visually determine people's body fat%. As far as men go, anyone under 10% is likely a competitive athlete. Anyone under 6% is on the brink of dying if they sustain it too long. Under 20% is solidly healthy range.

gigachadhd · 2021-04-21T11:57:59+00:00

I'd starve myself too if I was a famous actor getting paid millions of dollars just to work out and recite some lines.

houstongradengineer · 2021-04-21T02:17:08+00:00

Yeah that's pretty messed up. Pitt looked amazing in fight club. I would never have expected that he was one of those dehydrated dudes with bulging veins. All I got to find online (never saw the movie) was one image, and not a very very close-up. He just looked like a tough guy. Wow. I had no idea this was so intense for him. I'm now convinced that every bodybuilding man ever is on roids.

Banned_BY_SOYMEN · 2021-04-21T03:30:14+00:00

From what I understand, Hollywood and even professional sports athlete trainers are absolutely clueless in regards to best practices for dieting.

thetruthishere_ · 2021-04-21T03:02:16+00:00

Most in Hollywood are pushed to the brink in one form or another just like models.

There is some Youtube video on the modeling industry, blanking on the name but its an awful industry.

Salkinov · 2021-04-21T13:39:37+00:00

Being an hobby bodybuilder myself i'm very interested in this topic and i really noticed how the standards for men in looks and physiques are 1000x higher than womens. Most women i know still think the standards for women are unrealistic but in reality they are so much easier and healthier to achieve than any mens physique you see on every movie or on every fitness instagram page. Another problem is that nobody admits the use of PD's so all young novice lifters have way too high hopes for their goals.

When thinking of steroids most people think of those 120kg bodybuilding monsters but even more athletic looking fitness models are taking them, too. The whole fitness scene is absolutely fucked.

throwthisaway11800 · 2021-04-21T15:47:07+00:00

Henry cavill talks about this too, he said during the shooting of the witcher he got to a point where he was so dehydrated that he could smell water

ex_red_black_piller · 2021-04-21T09:33:34+00:00

Hollywood and the movie industry is responsible for all sorts of stupid ideas.

Female beauty standards have been discussed but i know plenty of dudes trying to get down to 8% bf to become the 'hookup guy'.

Not to mention normalizing stalking of women and the whole "He forcibly kissed her and she fell in love" or blackmailed a date out of her (the notebook).

I know women who think that's normal and 'romantic'. I questioned one of them on how she would feel if that dude across the street forced himself on her...and she didn't like that idea.

yungthrowaway97 · 2021-04-21T02:24:20+00:00

Women don't understand so many hollywood buff guys and instagram models are using steroids. This is a much more dangerous beauty standard than asking women to be fit.

Hy3w_mong0u5 · 2021-04-21T09:06:58+00:00

Well durrrrrrrr, men are just SUPPOSED to be hot, doncha know? Body positivity is for telling plus sized kweenz that they are hotter than Sofia Vergara, it's not for skinny bitches or worse still men who aren't buff or EVEN WORSE STILL under 6ft ewwww! /s

thro_away_2021 · 2021-04-21T10:29:07+00:00

Plot twist: this shit isn't to impress women. It's to impress men.

If you can, just go through IG male lifters who do a before and after, and look in the comments, and see 100% of the women commenting that they preferred the before (thicc) Seen this so many times, and it never surprised me that they didn't like a dude that looked like the muscle anatomy prop from science class.

*Note, when I say 'thicc' I mean bulked before they cut weight to show the results. Muscular with some fat on them. Just pointing that out for anyone that doesn't get that.

cloudsongs_ · 2021-04-21T03:57:29+00:00

I heard about the wolverine one. Sad, if they want unrealistic male bodies, that bad just used animations. Audience members are not going to notice the difference between shirtless dehydrated Chris Evans and hydrated shirtless Chris Evans.

WilliamWyattD · 2021-04-21T06:18:19+00:00

This is what so many posters do not get on this forum. Sure, there are biological differences between the sexes when it comes to what they find attractive. These are important because they tend to remain when culture shifts priorities and changes pressures. However, in the immediate term, a very strong cultural influence can slowly overwhelm a great deal of our biological influences. And no culture has ever been as supercharged as digital culture in terms of its 24/7 access to our brains, streamed in high rez!

At a certain point, with respect to certain things, the biological gender difference can almost become unimportant. This is a culture that worships the sex drug, and the beauty and youth that go along with it. It is true that men, naturally, care more about female beauty than the other way around. But women always cared about male beauty. More importantly, women have always been the more selective sex. When hot sex is set up as the ultimate life goal, and youthful beauty is digitally prescribed as the best way to achieve this nirvana, then male beauty is going to become a status symbol that women use to rank men in a way it never was before. So women's natural sexual selectivity is going to latch on to male beauty and make it a primary standard for evaluating men, in addition to their more primal attraction triggers for male appearance also being hyper stimulated. This double supercharged effect is naturally going to make it so that male appearance becomes ever increasingly important.

But women are victims of this too. No individual controls the culture they are exposed to. And all this focus on beauty, for both genders, makes few people happy in the end. Sex is nature's original drug. It has its uses in the right dosage, but make a lifetstyle about chasing the high and you end up like any other junky at the end of day. So before we go blaming men or women for insane physical standards in the opposite sex, remember that we all created this sex drug culture together; and we are all victims of it together.

Sex is great. People should have lots of it. But it has to be controlled and the sex has to be in the right context for it to contribute to real happiness. Every successful culture has known this since the dawn of time, and the reasons for limiting sexuality always went way, way beyond the problems of unintended/unwanted pregnancy. Contraception was never a license to let sexuality go totally unchecked. I'm not saying there is one answer to 'what is the right context for healthy sex' that applies to all cultures for all time. But it is clear that 'fuck as many people as you can as much as you can' never was nor will be the answer.

OXOzymandias · 2021-04-21T15:36:57+00:00

thats why they paid big bucks ig lol

SonicBackScratcher · 2021-04-21T16:50:00+00:00

Seems very mountain out of molehill problem to me tbh. Common in a lot of sports too, and routine in bodybuilding.

If I wanted to make an issue of it, it does produce very unrealistic expectations in some women for what the male physique should be like, but most aren't that stupid.

holeinthebox · 2021-04-21T18:36:54+00:00

Don’t care about women’s body standards, and I don’t care about men’s. If you’re dumb enough to starve yourself until you have to be hospitalized, I don’t feel bad for you.

The-Devilz-Advocate · 2021-04-21T02:18:28+00:00

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SmurfESmurferson · 2021-04-21T04:49:52+00:00

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0seagirl · 2021-04-21T08:27:18+00:00

This makes me think of Christian Bale in The Machinist. Imagine if it were a woman who had changed her body weight and shape as much as him. There would be so much more attention and concern given. It's about time more attention was put on the pressures put on male actors this way - it's absolutely no more healthy than the pressure female actresses are put under.

Runoutofideas777 · 2021-04-21T13:54:18+00:00

I wholeheartedly agree. Fitting the male beauty standard involves working out hard on the daily for years, more often than not steroid use, be on some crazy low fat diet to keep the washboard abs, completely give up on beer and soda. Meanwhile all women have to do to fit their "impossible beauty standards" is literally not overeat and do some yoga and a couple of squats once you hit 30. That's it.

EusticeSymington · 2021-04-21T14:37:38+00:00

Smurfy coming in to bat for the hunky Chads.

I'm going to try doing an amateur physique show if I get into god shape by the end of the year. I will need to learn how to cut water.

Fragmented79 · 2021-04-21T17:58:43+00:00

Also it’s ok to bodyshame men in movies. Fat Thor in Endgame was jabbed repeatedly in the film. Imagine if Black Widow had put on weight from the trauma of fighting Thanos, and characters made fun of her for doing so. Their would be outrage and maybe even theater burning as well.

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2021-04-21T03:28:02+00:00

Now realize that amateur mma fighters like myself cut at least 10, and pros cut at least 20lbs of water weight.

Aint no one screaming for the abolishment of weight cutting in wrestling, bjj, boxing, mma, or muay thai.

I cut from 195 to 185 for my fight, and felt incredibly drained. And it was only 10 lbs!

Aldabruzzo · 2021-04-21T13:19:56+00:00

Women in real life expect this of ordinary men.

Newkker · 2021-04-21T03:31:05+00:00

Society doesn't care about men.

mechanical_elves · 2021-04-21T02:25:01+00:00

If risking your health isn't worth it, you can decline. Not sure what the big deal is.

For the men with the eating disorders on the rise, that's what vanity and low self esteem gets you.

poppy_blu · 2021-04-21T03:00:19+00:00

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poppy_blu · 2021-04-21T03:57:40+00:00

I can relate though. Gymnasts are under immense pressure to abuse their bodies for the aesthetic side of the the sport. We do it becasue we’re living a dream that few people will ever get to live. I imagine it’s the same for actors.

ISimpForKweens · 2021-04-21T16:00:33+00:00

Female body standard=Don’t be fat, do yoga, eat a healthy diet

Male body standard=Peak physical human with 5% bodyfat, do hardcore workouts everyday, dehydrate yourself to the brink of death

SherbertBacon · 2021-04-21T02:59:44+00:00

Thoughts?

It's click-baity—reads a bit too much like an article making an excuse for why more men aren't their peak physique. Yes, these guys go the extra mile during shooting to give an edge-out in the appearance. But you don't have to do those things regularly to still turn heads all the time. Solid training is a 14-hour commitment per week tops. Proper diet with intelligent decisions doesn't have to ruin your social life.

I've done the pre-photo shoot prep. It's gruelling. No carbs followed by as much carbs as possible, water loading, lighting, etc. It does give that edge-out, but most people aren't going to notice the difference day-to-day if you don't do those things since we don't live in a nicely curated studio.

But the standards male actors are held to have been catching up - and I didn’t realize how dramatically bad it is for them until I stumbled across this “article.”

These guys also don't choose to stay extremely fit year-round. That means intense prep work right before shooting, which means PEDs and insane training programs. Far more taxing on the body than, say, maintaining 10% body fat and "fitness model muscles" all the time.

wtknight · 2021-04-21T05:07:39+00:00

This type of thing happens because there is no general male outcry about it. Women's body standards have been relaxed because female celebrities complained about them and then average women got on board. On the other hand, average men actually want to have bodies like that because they think it will help them have a better chance of sex, so men aren't complaining like they should be.

XtoDoubt · 2021-04-21T02:48:18+00:00

Nobody gives a fuck about men. It's time you stopped giving a fuck about everyone else.

Hulton-Sama · 2021-04-21T03:24:07+00:00

Bodybuilders dehydrate themselves too. No one forcing them .

Expensive-Guitar3609 · 2021-04-21T07:50:52+00:00

The ancient female beauty standard was, presumably, the Venus of Milo.

The ancient male beauty standard was, without doubt, the David of Michael Angelo.

A beautiful woman can be just a woman. The man has to be an athlete. This has been like this since forever.

I know what it takes to look like that, because once I looked like that. Actually, people used to tell me I looked like Huge Jackman and not only in the face but the body too so you get the idea. Thing is I was blessed with an extremely fast methabolysm, my body doesn't make fat so no matter how much I eat I'm always ripped.

statsfodder · 2021-04-21T07:06:21+00:00

I think what a majority of posts in here are saying can be summarised into...

"Yes, there are unrealistic standards for men but what can you do? It isn't like men are women or poc or someth8ng we care about, ge over it"

Upset_Ad_136 · 2021-04-21T03:08:39+00:00

boo hoo. Dont do it if you dont want to

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Cybercunt2069 · 2021-04-21T05:11:02+00:00

It's their job, steroids are basically a must. They get massive paychecks for that. Take a look at Christian Bale.

Bartko11 · 2021-04-21T06:11:49+00:00

Steroid use by tender users is also on the increase.

Spare-Tiger · 2021-04-21T06:42:52+00:00

In fighting sports it’s known that dudes are really dehydrated to make weight at weigh-ins. Maybe some guys don’t know how to rehydrate properly.

flamingoinghome · 2021-04-21T07:13:58+00:00

Obviously it's horrible, and I'm glad it's coming out--both for the actors in question, who shouldn't be treated this way, and for the same way I think subs like r/IntagramReality are good; so that people know that no one should expect to look like this.

michael1962-01 · 2021-04-21T07:45:59+00:00

To get some real ripped shots at a fotographer you need to use some diuretica plus a ketogenic diet.

Read "bodyopus" to know.

I stay at 18% bf arround as it is a sweet spot for me - in a spa or clothed in work jeans or suit and tie.

Broad frame is 101

I bulk up to 440 (insane, i know) and cut to 250lbs

Below 250 i need Torasemid or such as there is no fat left.

Bodybuilding is science...

terrn1981 · 2021-04-21T09:21:50+00:00

This is actually aweful. Society should be more.aware of this, and it should not be happening.. appalling.

Kaisha001 · 2021-04-21T09:45:09+00:00

That's nothing, see what guys (and some girls) go through for bodybuilding competitions.

FrowzyCosmogyral · 2021-04-21T09:48:45+00:00

Had no idea. It should never go that far!

Findingthur · 2021-04-21T10:05:27+00:00

suck it up lul

Goodthingstartssmall · 2021-04-21T10:44:25+00:00

Fun fact. Many male actors used any kind of method acting or other extreme and unhealthy methods to be the best they can for their roles. E.g. Christian bale was switching between 60lbs weight twice in 7 months or so between the mechanic and batman begins. Daniel day lewis tied his legs and stopped the bloodcirculation to get the feeling how it is to be in a wheelchair and shaia labouf didn't shower for the entire duration of filming heart of steel where he himself was disgusted in the end.

The rise in steroids is also attributed to the general perception of the "little bit of muscles" physique. What some women call a standard gym physique is usually reached with a 4-5 week workout routine and a fairly healthy nutrition because people nowadays just used to something "more and better".

Only one insane and dump person is needed who is willingly to go to far to set himself apart and this causes an unstoppable trend with others following, then at some point the rest is forced to do it too because otherwise they are left behind and at some point we reach a state were even the most dump and braindead attitudes are "best practice" or the bare minimum. This mechanic is applied to other aspects aswell.

buntyisbest · 2021-04-21T11:00:07+00:00

I remember Stephen Amell talking about this in an interview a couple of years ago, with regard to his show Arrow. He said he always has to ask his directors to give him a couple of weeks before filming a shirtless scene because of how hard he has to workout and how much he has to starve himself, in order to attain the ridiculous physique that producers/directors demand from him.

xFallacyx69 · 2021-04-21T11:42:34+00:00

I’ve done much worse damage physically/emotionally simply to get laid lol... I know a lot of guys have. Luckily I have outstanding genetics, so my baseline is awesome. If you think female beauty standards are tough, try hitting the gym every day for 4 hours with your male gym buddies and see how much work they do to simply stave off being unfit.... let alone get in better shape.

But... gym is life and I would recommend any guy go hard in the gym instead of reeling over that chick that hurt you 💪

abaxeron · 2021-04-21T13:19:47+00:00

First. There's a lot of smaller projects and stages for people with blubber bodies, resting bitch faces, and speech disorders where you will have your well-deserved 25% above nationwide median salary. Doesn't matter if you are among best actors ever; in most cases, the top of the industry can afford finding someone just as good at acting AND also prettier. There's nothing wrong with it.

Second. Blockbuster actors are literally multi-millionaires. They can quit for five years and still have better living conditions than most of us could ever dream of. If anyone in this world can unionize and go on strike demanding better job conditions without risking huge damages to their lifestyle, it's them.

Third. Women complaining even when men have it worse - is nothing new.

Megabyte7637 · 2021-04-21T14:30:40+00:00

Interesting

catfishchapter · 2021-04-21T14:36:37+00:00

You should look into the KPOP idol industry.

They have it bad especially during training. It's pretty sad.

And let's not forget Matthew McConaughey who lost so much weight for that movie (I forgot the title)

Hoopy223 · 2021-04-21T14:46:35+00:00

I saw some article about how matt damon got all buff from “five simple exercises” and had a good laugh.

The broad shoulder/well defined ab look is almost always surgery and roids.

I was on a cycle and starving myself/water and crazy nuts berries diet that another guy used for cutting and didn’t get there. I had a flat stomach and was fit/strong but no abs. The next thing would’ve been plastic surgery.

But yet you will still have an endless supply of morons who think that if they eat really clean and watch youtube videos they will have a superstar body.

Thetermibox · 2021-04-21T15:04:55+00:00

So the 36 hours without water thing was debunked by Henry Cavill. I believe it was on the Graham Norton show. It is indeed a vanity thing but there is no point that they go without water. That's more just PR. He mentioned it is indeed unpleasant and can be taxing but he does say you do have water just reduction of it as you go along.

I just wanted to clarify that specific point in case people were worried about that

teramelosiscool · 2021-04-21T16:54:19+00:00

i mean i guess my question is-- couldn't they just have said no? these people are multi millionaires, if the studio is trying to make them do stuff they aren't comfortable with they should just tell them to fuck off. like, if hugh jackman decided the longest he was willing to go without water was 18 hours instead of 36, what are they gonna do, pay him 15 million instead of 20 million? besides, dry fasting is actually one of the best things you can do, that shit cures cancer.

upalse · 2021-04-21T17:01:30+00:00

"Male eating disorders" truly is a current year word for juicing no longer being a choice for an actor, but a career qualification. But yea, hollywood is reckless in this regard, to both sexes. It's just that male actors are starting to feel the itch of "sex sells" from their end in the past 2 decades. I don't think MRAs have a cause here, just burn the whole industry down, no reason to make it gendered anymore.

BlackPorcelainDoll · 2021-04-21T17:16:32+00:00

Hollywood is a cesspool of glorified mental illness and disorders. Even if some requirements have to be meet, they often neglect skilled and experienced Dieticians and medical professional advice.

Look at the sport of Strongman. Many are just winging it and end up almost killing themselves until they bring in experts to help them track and manage calorie and carb intake. Brian Shaw spoke very in depth about this.

2021-04-21T18:17:01+00:00

check out our king robert pattinson speaking out about this <3

imjgaltstill · 2021-04-21T19:44:50+00:00

Enough with the poor victim bs. They made their choices and got well paid for doing it.

LMM-GT02 · 2021-04-23T14:10:36+00:00

Usually athletes and actors take massive amounts of PEDS, those gains aren’t fucking natural or sustainable. At the top of every physical competition there is PEDs. Your stars, your heroes, your sports idols are all taking PEDs. Mamba mentality? Fucking bullshit, Kobe popped ritalin everyday.

Genetics + PEDs will make you a superstar. The “work” or the “grind” is a given, not a fucking virtue.

TodTheRod01 · 2021-04-25T21:14:48+00:00

CATCHING UP?? male standards are far more difficult.

women: dont be fat, some kind of shape

men: be tall, muscular, 6 pack, bulging muscles, etc...

One involves x100 more work than the other

NeonGyllenhaal · 2021-04-27T23:35:07+00:00

Do you not realize this isn’t a gendered issue?

SameGuyEverytime · 2021-05-06T12:31:19+00:00

„Hollywood, Hollywood, hope Nate doesn’t go Hollywood“

rialed · 2021-05-18T02:52:43+00:00

Please don’t confuse Hollywood publicity with real life. None of this stuff is real.

Carkudo · 2021-04-21T03:27:28+00:00

Pushes? These guys are choosing to do it.

alexaxl · 2021-04-21T05:07:26+00:00

There’s a video showing Mark Wahlberg sleeps at some 7/7:30/8 pm and wakes up at 4/5 am etc.

It’s a choice made to discipline and live that.

The personal sacrifices & self contour it takes is crazy.

The aging female actors who could not transition from “glam” aesthetic driven roles to other types - complain.

She felt all in demand & powerful and entitled, biology hit a wall. Welcome to reality.

I’m not seeing Arnold trying to be Al Pacino, yet.

Everyone’s got their play to remain marketable in some form or fashion.

Do we see Judy Dench complaining? Or Sean Connery.

Grow, evolve, adapt to the market or pivot to another market or just become an investor.

Or gain weight and play a suitable big momma or comedy role. But you have to write and sell it to paying audiences.

Hollywood is about “unreal” & hence it is.

If anything male actors have done crazier body transformations for roles; do you see any female actors attempt anything so crazy? And then to go back to normal and do it again.

Christian Bale
Ed Norton
Matthew McConnaughy (spelling 🙄)

The work ethic and self damaging discipline to mess with the body to that level is beyond.

Yeah wanting equal pay.

mandathor · 2021-04-21T07:06:23+00:00

male eating disorder is gay. and sure as fuck I would go without water for that long if I was payed the same

Zippo-Cat · 2021-04-21T15:26:40+00:00

Thoughts?

It's a male problem so nobody cares(and rightly so)

Title	Hollywood Pushes Male Actors to the Brink of Organ Failure for Shirtless Pics
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