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Honestlt, I think men have it better than women in the world of dating.

July 27, 2022
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Generically, many (not all) people believes a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth. Then people say women “expire” after 30/35/ if they have kids/etc. so wouldn’t this mean men have it easier?

You can control your career path. Your value will keep going up while for women, our value “peaks after 30” and drops after that. Right? So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone? Just wait a few years and work in yourself.

(No, i do not think women expire after 30, nor do I think women go after men purely for their money. I know some pretty good men in my life, but in their early 20’s, most were fairly immature, not ready to be husbands/fathers, don’t have their life together, haven’t learned adulting skills yet. etc)

Edit: please ignore my grammar/texting skills/proof reading skills. There is a reason i hire an editor to look over documents that matter. Lol

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Title Honestlt, I think men have it better than women in the world of dating.
Author InfamousBake1859
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Comments 116
Date July 27, 2022 9:44 PM UTC (6 months ago)
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[–]johnnybayarea 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I personally think men have it easier in the later stages (if they focused on their career) of life while women have it MUCH easier in the beginning stages. The rub is we mostly have the desire/hope to be successfully paired off before we get into the stages that men have the advantage.

if men get into their advantaged years, likely mid 30s and later...the available women are seen to have lower value by that time. Maybe already divorced, children, "run thru", etc. (I know this isn't always true, my wife being that, but i feel this is increasingly rare)

Men could have it easier in the long term, but women shine in the most prime years.

[–]ahandtoyourdarknessxBlue Pilled In The Streets Red Pilled In The Sheets 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"Men have it easier because women hit the wall"

"I don’t believe in the wall"

So, to be fair, men and women both have advantages and disadvantages. The only thing women have an advantage at is finding willing partners for casual sex regardless of the quality of those partners. Just because as a guy someone might lower their standards to hook up with someone on Tinder doesn’t mean women are obligated to lower their standards too. It’s a buyers market after all.

Now, in that sense, women do have the advantage of having much more options to choose from and many more opportunities to vet. Not all guys are looking for hook ups so a guy looking for a genuine connection on a dating app will have a harder time connecting with a woman.

The idea of the wall is all relative. I find women into their 40s attractive but I probably wouldn’t date one. Guys can remain attractive as well. In both cases it depends on how well they take care of themselves.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m addressing the people who do believe it and questioning their belief.

Personally, i think people date all sorts of people, older/younger/hotter/uglier/richer/poorer etc.

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 18 points19 points  (50 children) | Copy Link

  1. Telling someone having a bad time "just wait several years and bribe someone" isn't going to have the reaction you think it is.

  2. We're going into a recession after a rough few years of an economy that never fully recovered from 2008's recession. "Just work and build wealth" is neither easy nor guaranteed.

  3. If someone is expected to spend their youth grinding through multiple global crisis then what the fuck is a partner good for besides sex? You obviously aren't getting emotional support or a double income household when you actually need it.

  4. You yourself explicitly don't even believe this and have outright said as such.

At best you're telling men to give up their carefree period of life so some woman will be comfortable enough to pretend to like them. If they can't actually enjoy their lives until then why would they jump right into kids instead of having fun with that wealth if they weren't allowed to before?

[–]4theMare_Status Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that men can improve their odds significantly through sheer effort is an advantage that compounds over time. A man with any kind of talent and resourcefulness who uses his time wisely is almost bound to come into some success with dating. A woman's upward mobility in the dating market is much, much less.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] -2 points-1 points  (47 children) | Copy Link

  1. Well waiting a few years is better than for women where each year, she has “less value” right?
  2. Great time to go to school
  3. You describe doctors here - which is classically considered “high value men” on PPD
  4. Yeah i don’t believe it - but my post is addressing to those who do believe this and complain about being single

[–]tired_hillbillyredneck 15 points16 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

Well waiting a few years is better than for women where each year, she has “less value” right?

No, she should use her youth and beauty to land a good guy to spend her life with. Not waste ~10 years on meaningless flings.

Further, how is this an advantage for guys? How is working my ass off for ~10 years just to get a woman who no longer wants to be fun, who likely has a ton of emotional baggage from past failed relationships, and who possibly even has a kid or kids, meaning their dad(s) will always be in the picture, supposed to be a good deal for guys?

"Yeah, you have to spend your best years toiling away, but there's a light at the end of the tunnel. You'll get to be a step-dad!"

[–]villarconstante 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You'll get to be a step-dad!".

This is reason to not date at all.

[–]mcove97No Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Issue is that younger men in their 20s are immature. As a 25 year old woman myself I could never envision spending my life with any of the men I dated in my early 20s. When I'm on dating apps, a lot of the men in their 20s come across as immature or not knowing what they want. Like undecided on whetter they want kids, undecided about what they're looking for in a relationship etc. If I wanted to land a mature man in my early 20s I would have had to date 30+ but that's a large age gap. I figured it was better to wait until I got older to date more seriously rather than to date people with huge age gaps when we are in different stages of life or date a man my own age who is immature, and doesn't know what he wants. Nevermind the fact that I didn't know even know what I wanted from a relationship when I was younger, which I had to figure out over time. Trying to land a good guy when I didn't know what I wanted, and men my age were immature and also didn't know what they wanted was pretty much impossible.

It is an advantage for men to wait cause they know they'll get a mature woman who knows what she wants, not an immature woman who flip flops because she doesn't know what she wants from you. Who says women no longer wants to be fun when they're older. I'm 25 and dating a 32 year old man. I asked him why he likes me so much that he kept coming back even after I rejected him (for not prioritizing me in the past) and he said cause I'm so much fun. Granted I'm 25, not 35, but still. I'm going to be fun when I'm older too because I want to live a child-free and carefree life style. Granted, I admit most women want to settle down and live boring lives with children, but there are those of us who don't want that.

Regarding emotional baggage from past relationships, those are actually what has made me as a woman mature significantly. I learnt and grew a lot from my past failed relationships. I learned what works and what don't. I learned my own boundaries, and I learned to respect mens boundaries. All the hardships I faced when dating, including abuse, overall made me a wiser and more compassionate woman. I used to be a very entitled woman, but all the emotional baggage or trauma humbled and made me more understanding of the hardships other people face.

Regarding kids, there are older women who doesn't want or have kids. These are the women who decided on never having kids and who decided to be childfree while young, and there's women who wanted to focus on a career and a different lifestyle before settling down with children. These are women who are determined and know what they want from a young age.

The women who had children young may ditch their baby daddies like you said so why would you want to date these kind of women who don't know what they want, are immature or have accident babies anyway while they're young?

You don't have to be a step dad if you date career focused or/and childfree women. If you want children someday, then dating a career focused woman is an excellent option as she will not want to settle down with kids before her 30s, and if you don't want children, then dating women who are childfree is a great option, if you yourself don't want or have kids and a baby mama that is. No career focused or childfree woman want to deal with baby mama drama or someone else's kids either. Not to mention, career focused and childfree women are often far better off financially, due to not having to provide for a child and being able to focus on work, which essentially means you don't have to stress about providing a lot of money for her, or kids if you don't have kids, cause she will be able to take care of herself financially, which means you won't have to work your ass off.

I guess all in all what I'm saying is there's alternatives. Sure, there may not be an abundance of childfree women or childless career focused women, but they're out there. I'm one of them.

[–]heartheartdoki96 0 points1 point  (43 children) | Copy Link

, she should use her youth and beauty to land a good guy to spend her life with. Not waste ~10 years on meaningless flings.

So give uo her youth to secure a "good partner" who might still leave her when she's older anyways lol. Like men have always been leaving their wives and getting younger models or just straight up cheat. So her experiencing her life is a waste? Wow

[–]mcove97No Pill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes this is why I no longer capitalize on my looks anymore as a 25 year old woman. I used to have men oogling me and wanting to date me cause of how pretty and beautiful I looked. I used to get tons of DMS from guys who wanted to date me just cause of my appearance. Instead of making myself look conventionally attractive, I now do everything to appear as anything but cause I want the men I attract to like me for who I am as a person too and not just for the way I look, cause a relationship based only on someone's physical attraction to me is incredibly shallow and unsubstantial. If men date me cause they love who I am as a person and not just what I look like then they're not just going to up and leave me unless I change and become an unlikeable person.

[–]AidsVictim 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

There's no guarantee for men or women about the outcomes of their relationships, but some choices clearly have better chances for a "good" outcome than others.

Like men have always been leaving their wives and getting younger models or just straight up cheat.

Women divorce more often and cheat more often up until sometime around mid 30's (where it's roughly even) so any guy is taking at least as big if not bigger risk in the relationship from that viewpoint.

So her experiencing her life is a waste?

Up to her to decide. But in the end it's harder to have a successful family
and/or marriage for the average person if the marry later in life with a higher partner count. If someone doesn't care about that then it doesn't matter.

[–]AreOut 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So give uo her youth to secure a "good partner" who might still leave her when she's older anyways lol.

that's what marriage contract is for

[–]tired_hillbillyredneck 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

We're only on this Earth for ~80 years. If you spend 10 years on meaningless flings before you get with the right guy, that's 10 years you missed spending with them. 10 years you'll miss of your kid's lives as well, and your grandkids.

Having fun dating is nice, but "fun" shouldn't be the main goal. It's extremely short-sighted if it is; you're basically robbing your future self.

[–]Bruce_Hale -1 points0 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

We understand that logic makes no sense to you. No need to keep reminding us.

[–]heartheartdoki96 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They said they don't think women are valueless past 30 and rhey don't believe all or even most men are struggling the way red pill says.

[–]That-Nintendo-Gamer 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There is no way you’re in this sub and have such clueless, blue pilled takes like this. Just leave bro, r/twoxchromosomes would be a better fit for you.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So do you disagree with common repeating sayings on here? I keep hearing people say women expire after X age, and that all women want are height and money.

I don’t agree with either statement but to those who do believe it, then guys have it easier

[–]Necroemu [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

What’s wrong with that sub?

[–]John_OakmanLVM advocate 7 points8 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women are more likely to have the mental fortitude and social network to remain single for extended periods (if not lifetime) while their male counterparts for the most part don't. This advantage tends to have knock-on effects, mainly in less pressure to secure a relationship at any point in time, and thus more time to find good options.

[–]poppy_blumonogamous slut apparently 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Where does this idea that men don’t have friends come from?

[–]Britannia_Forever 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not that they don't have friends its just that their friends don't provide emotional support or even physical contact (this one makes sense to me but it isn't a problem for women).

[–]John_OakmanLVM advocate 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

From the direct words of the real men of the manosphere, where else?

[–]poppy_blumonogamous slut apparently 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men of the manosphere are a tiny percentage of all men.

[–]sowwiNo Pill 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most women can literally choose who they want. Most men choose who they can. Now, speaking generally (like always on this sub), we can easily conclude who has it better.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Choose for what? For dating? Or for fucking? Big difference

[–]JaracRassen77Purple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The point is that they have a plethora of options. Men do not. Women choose, while men tend to settle.

[–]AidsVictim 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Generically, many (not all) people believes a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth

Men aren't valued much for their wealth unless they're actually wealthy (earning higher 6 figures or a millionaire in spendable assets) in the context of modern dating. It becomes more important later in life where not having a career of some kind becomes a disqualifier but it never really becomes an incentive for women (again unless they're wealthy) in dating. For women looking to have kids soon or who already have kids a decent career can be somewhat of an incentive.

You can control your career path. Your value will keep going up while for women, our value “peaks after 30” and drops after that. Right? So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone? Just wait a few years and work in yourself.

These men mostly aren't becoming more valuable except in a kids BB situation which is not ideal for most men.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women should honestly not have kids with a man who cannot provide for the family. Guess the entire world should be populated by “BB”

[–]AidsVictim 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A society revolving around BB is not necessarily a bad thing, it was hugely successful until the last ~50 years when it started falling apart and being replaced by the modern "system" (which is mostly defined by lacking a consistent system).

BB failed because in a society with material plenty and the means to earn it as individuals (i.e. the basic economic-social unit moved from the family to the individual) people increasingly pursued self interest and relationships became disposable. A man won't be selected based on BB when (non elite) income is now small incentive for women and only becomes relevant in certain conditions/ages - and then because BB are easily commodified (i.e. there are many men with average incomes and it's easy to get relationships with them) it's not an incentive to have but a disqualifier to lack.

[–]Panda-997Purple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to mention , until the last 100 years, the man who is typically in bb scenario isn't exactly a BB. He is only called a BB because he is having to settle for a low value women who is not desirable anymore by others (reasons can be anything from age to single mother to broke to anything). 100 years ago, the situation wasn't like this. People were far less promiscuous and are far more dedicated to the family image than individuality and "fuk you, got mine" mentality.

[–]NotimecelduvBeta With Benefits 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe women suddenly become unattractive when they turn 30. Many women are actually more attractive in their 30s than they were in their 20s. Your looks decline when you get wrinkly, start losing your hair and become more prone to weight gain, but that's also true for men and that doesn't usually happen until later in life.

a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth

A man is valued for a lot more than his financial resources. Looks are essential as well, as is status. All it takes for a woman to attract men is be more than a 2; on top of not being ugly, a man has a lot more requirements to meet.

[–]AidsVictim 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Many women are actually more attractive in their 30s than they were in their 20s

Some women. Many is an exaggeration. There are certainly plenty of attractive women in their 30's and 40's but if you drag out a 20 something photograph of them it's rare they're more attractive now than then.

[–]Dapper_Art_8269 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wel, yep. But it's true for men as well.

[–]TryLambdaRed Pill Man 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What nonsense is this.......... are you on another planet? 99% of men do not get a proper conversation on dating sites, they get ignored or one word answers or worse converse with bots.........women on the other hand have access to thousands of men on sites 24/7..... 24/7.....24/7.... and they only choose the top 1% of men in that pool..... think about that

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

To be fair, most of the men on dating sites are creepy af. And that was a decade ago. I bet it’s been worse since then

[–]TryLambdaRed Pill Man 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

much worse.... its all simps and dik piks now... the good men have checked out completely and gone off grid

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So why are you surprised you don’t get response then?

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your value will keep going up

Your premise is flawed here. It’s only if a man’s value increases; that his options follow suit.

Godspeed and good luck!

[–]tentaixxx 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LMFAOOOOOOO

[–]purplish_possum 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

LOL. OP thinks women are attracted to guys with good careers.

[–]PuzzledSheister69 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only read the title and almost fell over laughing.

[–]4theMare_Status Pill 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women have it better when they're younger, men have it better overall.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most men don't want to wait until they are older to start having sexual success. People in general aren't very patient.

Furthermore, even if the age range of women that a 30-year-old guy can date is fairly large, it's more difficult for older men to date the youngest, supposedly most desirable women. Most 20-year-old women are going to think that dating a 30-year-old guy is weird unless he's got something really good going for him, and most of those guys who have something really good going for them weren't having a lack of success back when they were 20-year-old guys.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Back when i was 22, i had no interest dating anyone younger than 30. Men under 25 (in general) aren’t ready for serious relationships

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of older men wish that there were more young women who think like that, but I don't think that's usually the case.

[–]hopeidontforget2021 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men DO have it better in dating because they have the ability to be the architects of their own success. Of course that's a double edged sword (can't just sit back on dating apps) but that kind of attitude is what gives men a structural advantage in everything.

Women whether it's culturally or biologically at large are passive actors. A woman who strategically dates and takes initiative probably has it better though.

[–]JAE_7502 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men start behind a wall and have to build themselves up to get over it. This usually involves many long years to build a career, hitting the gym, etc. Women will mostly get attention just by existing and taking a little care of themselves.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hard disagree. Most fat, unshaved, uneducated, unattractive women etc are also behind a wall. They just don’t cry about it as much on the internet. They probably just go get a cat (nothing wrong with that. I love cats - and dogs)

[–]Barely-moralRed leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Generically, many (not all) people believes a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth. Then people say women “expire” after 30/35/ if they have kids/etc. so wouldn’t this mean men have it easier?

No. Youth is free. Wealth requires effort.

You can control your career path. Your value will keep going up while for women, our value “peaks after 30” and drops after that. Right? So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone? Just wait a few years and work in yourself.

First, telling a man to wait to get a used and inferior version of a woman is not good.

Second. Humans are nothing more than a body and the electrical/chemical patterns within it. Humans are not their decisions, their possessions nor the results of their actions. Humans are bodies.

A woman that is desired for her body is desired for what/who she is. A man that is desired for the results of his actions is a man that is not desired at all.

Third. Men don't follow briffault law. Past benefit provided by a woman continues to have value even if she can no longer provide it. If a woman gives me her youth I am indebted to her for life.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Youth is limited, wealth is unlimited (within reason).

Hey if you have a good career, don’t you get your picking to not get a “used” woman then? (Whatever that means).

Idk about you, but i make my own decisions. I’d much rather be desired for who i am (regarding personality, skills, preserverence, intelligence, etc) over my appears which will fade (though albeit for me, Much later as I’m asian 🥰 and my 60 year old mom looks 30).

There is a saying: the loyalty of a woman is tested when her man is broke, the loyalty of a man is tested when he becomes successful.

[–]Barely-moralRed leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Youth is limited, wealth is unlimited (within reason).

So youth is more valuable just because it is in short supply.

Hey if you have a good career, don’t you get your picking to not get a “used” woman then? (Whatever that means)

Very few men get to those heights.

Idk about you, but i make my own decisions. I’d much rather be desired for who i am (regarding personality, skills, preserverence, intelligence, etc) over my appears which will fade (though albeit for me, Much later as I’m asian 🥰 and my 60 year old mom looks 30).

That is fine but you are not your decisions. You are your body and the electrical chemical patterns within it.

There is a saying: the loyalty of a woman is tested when her man is broke, the loyalty of a man is tested when he becomes successful.

Changes nothing. Women don't value men, they value the results of their actions. Men value women because they value the only thing a human is. A body.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you think that way, then nothing is your decision. You have no thoughts and no mind. Maybe… that’s why?

I thought you said men’s actions are a result of chemical processes? Which is honestly their body.

[–]Barely-moralRed leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thoughts and mind are just electrical/chemical patterns inside a body. There are no decisions. We are overcomplicated chemical reactions with an illusion of free will.

[–]UnusualMeaning2170 3 points4 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

What an argument, men have it better because they get the opportunity to provide for women, hell of an advantage. "Value going up" lmao, what's actually happening is women are tired of the fun and are ready to settle with career oriented men to take care of their offspring, men's value isn't going up as lovers, but woker drones. Genuinely what mental gymnastics do you have to go through with stats from OLD (which is increasingly becoming the way most ppl 18 29 are dating so calling it irrelevant is disingenuous) all pointing towards the fact that men have the short end of the stick in the dating game overall, that they have it easier?

[–]heartheartdoki96 0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

Money provides for yourself, so yeah its obviously a benefit

Don't pay for women then Jesus christ

[–]UnusualMeaning2170 0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

66% of women prefer to have their first date paid for, what was that about not paying for women? And that's the case even when the woman makes more money than the man. Also we're talking in the context of relationships here, not life. Women can also provide for themselves so how come men have it better? Of course money is of personal benefit, wasn't arguing otherwise so cool it with the strawmen.

[–]heartheartdoki96 0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

So 34 don't, huge pool of women to pick from. So don't pay. Change the culture. Stop feeding into it Jesus christ

[–]UnusualMeaning2170 1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

XD your response to a majority of women not wanting a man that doesn't provide is "uhh but a minority don't so just try going through a bunch of first dates until you find the ones that do lmao", christ this is priceless

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Generically, many (not all) people believes a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth.

"Women aren't visual teehee".

Bullshit. Men are valued for both looks and wealth.

Your value will keep going up

Physically? Definitely not. "Men age like fine wine" is gigacope. Men don't age as badly and drastically as women do, but we definitely do become less physically attractive with age, especially after our 30s. Balding, fat gain, ageing skin, etc.

Financially? How exactly is being used as an ATM something to look forward to?

our value “peaks after 30” and drops after that

No your value peaks in your late teens/early 20s.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I hope you are in your 20’s. Anyone who is 30+ saying a woman’s peak is 18-22 comes off reallllyyyy creepy.

[–]Friedidli 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know.

I missed sleeping around in my 20s.

I would probably pay a few 20 year old escorts, provided i could find them ethically

Not interested in a relationship with them though.

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I hope you are in your 20’s.

Not yet.

Anyone who is 30+ saying a woman’s peak is 18-22 comes off reallllyyyy creepy.

I mean it's a fact, the vast majority of men prefer younger women. And large age gaps may be frowned upon in modern western society but it was normal and common in most places, for most of human history.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok it makes sense why you feel this way. I thought that way when i was younger too. Now when i see an 18 year old girl, i literally think “children”. Cannot imagine dating someone who is just in undergrad.

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey you do you man, but most guys think differently is all I'm saying. Even if they would never admit it.

[–]bronzeageretard 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Men are never loved unconditionally, that’s always been true.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True. Neither are women. :3

That’s true for all humans. Even children - though they have higher chance of unconditional lovr

[–]heartheartdoki96 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Neither are women. You expect sex, babies, cleaning, and still want her to work and pay for shit too.

[–]heartheartdoki961 points [recovered] (38 children) | Copy Link

Lol they'll say "yeah but by the time we are 30 all the women are used up"

Red pill is not about finding a real partner. Red pill is mostly a bunch of men bitching they can't groom minors until they're legal anymore. They want virgins and "low n count women". Like if Red pill wanted partners they'd listen to women and they'd listen to men who are married.

They don't.

They listen to other single dudes who claim they can get any woman they want and choose not to lol. Like fucking andrew tate and PUAs

[–]AcanthocephalaNew9471 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Right. It’s hilarious how they’re capable of selling this get any woman you want bs as if ugly men will just suddenly transform into Brad Pitt by hitting the gym.

[–]pop4421 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

To be fair: Physique, fashion, grooming, and skin care can benefit ugly men a lot especially since women tend not to focus on male facial features all that much beyond high school.

Even beards can overshadow a man's ugliness.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew9471 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

They lied to you. I’m as straight as they come, I know ugly when I see it.

Why that’s accepted when men say it but not women is mind boggling to me.

[–]pop4421 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It all depends though.

A tall, muscular dude with a sense of style and a lot of charisma can still attract a number of women despite having a mid/ugly face.

Women value men who can make them feel petite and protected as much as they value gorgeous facial feature(and this is based on what women themselves say).

Ugly men suffer the most if they're socially awkward or have that sloppy, bummy neckbeard look. But ugly men who work out, take care of their skin/haircuts/facial hair, and dress the nicest can compensate for their ugliness.

[–]AreOut1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

you got TRP all wrong, besides Andrew Tate can get women as any other popular/wealthy guy, stop coping

[–]heartheartdoki961 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

How do I have trp wrong?

Red pill literally came up with the term divorce rape. And I've never heard a single fucking one use it unless they were trying to tell a woman to stop complaining about rape because "women divorce men, which is jusy like rape".

Red pill literally uses pseudoscience like claiming humans pair bond and that non virgins struggle to form relationships. That's fake. Like red pill ideaology is founded on pseudoscience. You guys can't have a single discussion without trying to quote evolutionary biology and act like evolution has a will and desire, like its a fucking God with a brain and not random occurrences in nature.

Red pillers literally say things were better and women were happier when they didn't have rights. You guys will literally say "well most husband's didn't beat and rape their wives so women not having rights wasn't a big deal, women were happier then" which is also based on pseudoscience and nonsense.

So how do I got it wrong? "Red pillers are men who want help" but then when women point out they're being sexist they'll say "this is why men struggle, because women's standards are too high and women are evil"

So where am I wrong

[–]TryLambda1 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

divorce rape, was already well in the mainstream for 50yrs....before the red pill came along...

[–]heartheartdoki961 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

No it wasn't lol.

Urban dictionary first use of the word was 2015. Red pill had even claimed they created it. Like the red pill dictionary says "a term coined by red pill" so show Me proof of this long history

Co.paring divorce to rape is fucking idiotic and only sexist piece of shit men do it. Simple. And you lying about the history of the word to give it validity tells me you'd trust red pill sexism over common sense and normal people

[–]AreOut1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Red pill literally came up with the term divorce rape. And I've never heard a single fucking one use it unless they were trying to tell a woman to stop complaining about rape because "women divorce men, which is jusy like rape".

IIRC it has been used before, real rape is an awful thing and you are picking here couple of guys in angry phase who compared it to prove your point.

Red pill literally uses pseudoscience like claiming humans pair bond and that non virgins struggle to form relationships. That's fake. Like red pill ideaology is founded on pseudoscience. You guys can't have a single discussion without trying to quote evolutionary biology and act like evolution has a will and desire, like its a fucking God with a brain and not random occurrences in nature.

uh, humans do pair bond and it's called (successful) marriage, not all humans are keen to do it tho, non virgins don't struggle to form rleationships but higher the n count higher the chance a woman is not going to really love her partner(it doesn't mean it can't happen)

Red pillers literally say things were better and women were happier when they didn't have rights. You guys will literally say "well most husband's didn't beat and rape their wives so women not having rights wasn't a big deal, women were happier then" which is also based on pseudoscience and nonsense.

men didn't have rights either, it was a different society and should be put into context

So how do I got it wrong? "Red pillers are men who want help" but then when women point out they're being sexist they'll say "this is why men struggle, because women's standards are too high and women are evil" So where am I wrong

TRP is about seeing reality. A whole lot of guys are taught that women are saints and then they get disappointed.

Like I believe Andrew tate can get a woman who is not severely mentally ill lol. Like anybody can pay a homeless woman to fuck him. That's all he does. If you need pussy to get laid amd you fuck women who rely on men for money, all you're doing is paying homeless women for sex lol

nope, it doesn't work like that, many rich women will throw themselves at famous people just for clout

[–]peteypete781 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

humans pair bond

They do look it up.

that non virgins struggle to form relationships

The more you have the less likely you are to be able to do it.

evolutionary biology

Well its a thing.

act like evolution has a will and desire

You're conflating cause and effect discussions.

women were happier when they didn't have rights.

More choices has shown to have an impact on happiness.

So how do I got it wrong?

Plenty.

[–]Kentucky_Supreme1 points [recovered] (18 children) | Copy Link

The author of The Rational Male book series has been married for like 20+ years. Just FYI.

[–]heartheartdoki961 points [recovered] (17 children) | Copy Link

Cool story. About half of marriages last 20+ years

[–]Kentucky_Supreme1 points [recovered] (16 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like he must be doing something right.

Keep on down voting facts, lol.

[–]heartheartdoki961 points [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like most Americans do if that's your measure. Dudes can beat their wives and stay married, you gonna pat their backs too? Good grief what a pathetic argument lol, "well he's married so his ideas must work"

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Automod, please, Replies to CMV posts must challenge the OP's view.

[–]pan3639 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men have to create their value, women are born with it, that in itself will always make it harder for men. Even after women lose value, there are still men willing to be with them, but they're still obsessed with Chad in their old age. Even he will still fuck them.

I don't even know why I have to explain this.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

so wouldn’t this mean men have it easier?

Beyond their 30's? Absolutely, as long as they keep themselves fit and successful.

Right? So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone?

Because they are in their 20's and are annoyingly impatient. Ignore them. They will need to wait, just like we 30 and 40 year old guys had to.

[–]Friedidli 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

So basically it's better to be wanted for what you can provide in a relationship than any kind of charecter or personality or what makes you , you.

That got old the second i considered it.

Much rather die alone, thanks.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Personality is not part of the discussion here. Men go for luxe, and women go for wealth, that’s a common assumption here. Both of which are not personalities. If you’re asking me personally, I think personality supersedes either of those.

However, if I had to choose one, would I rather be picked for my wealth or for my body, I would rather be picked for my wealth. Why? Because, usually, not always, that reflects my character, and skills. My career is something I have much better control of, then my appearance, which is mostly genetics. And this is coming from someone who is Asian, which means I’m blessed with looking young for a long time

[–]Friedidli 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I would much rather be liked for who i am.

But thats not my reality.

So it's beta buxing for me i guess. I'll just have to vet really hard.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Your career is more of who you are than your looks

[–]Friedidli 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

For most women looks get you past the line of acceptable in a relationship.

And the bar is not that high.

After that it about who they are. ( Or more accurately how they make you feel - it's a selfish instinct)

For men it's that and their job.

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Lady, if I could "control my career path" I would make millions doing my favorite hobbies, lol.

Also, I would say women peak early-mid 20's. Definitely not 30. Yes "some" might peak at 30 but exceptions don't make the rule and I'm speaking in general terms. It's annoying to have to spell it out but of course, this is reddit after all.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You said you can’t control your career when i was saying your how much you make is in your control.

However, regardless how much you make, why would any woman want you if you think they expire after mid/early 20’s?

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

No quote provided.

Also, provide a quote where I said women are "completely undesirable" after their 20's.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t say you found them “completely undesirable”

But who wants to be with a man who thinks “oh I’m peaking right now, he’s going to think i have less value every year from now on out”

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Then what in the hell do you mean by "expire"??? Lol

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol then this post is addressed to you directly since you believe a woman peaks at mid 20’s - then you better work extra hard on your career and make less excuses.

Btw, why would any woman want you? You have no good career and you feel like she will expire after a few years?

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

How do you expect me to take you seriously if you're making baseless assumptions about me?

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No come back eh? Probably can’t answer the question: why would any woman want you? You have no good career and you feel like she will expire after a few years?

Not baseless assumption btw. You said yourself you have no good career

[–]Kentucky_Supreme 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please provide the quote of me saying "I have no good career".

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[–]ahandtoyourdarknessxBlue Pilled In The Streets Red Pilled In The Sheets 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Men have it easier because women hit the wall"

"I don’t believe in the wall"

So, to be fair, men and women both have advantages and disadvantages. The only thing women have an advantage at is finding willing partners for casual sex regardless of the quality of those partners. Just because as a guy someone might lower their standards to hook up with someone on Tinder doesn’t mean women are obligated to lower their standards too. It’s a buyers market after all.

Now, in that sense, women do have the advantage of having much more options to choose from and many more opportunities to vet. Not all guys are looking for hook ups so a guy looking for a genuine connection on a dating app will have a harder time connecting with a woman.

The idea of the wall is all relative. I find women into their 40s attractive but I probably wouldn’t date one. Guys can remain attractive as well. In both cases it depends on how well they take care of themselves.

[–]801735 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone?

Not happening.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes I agree. Whenever I hear man talking about finding partner, I am like you can choose younger one in future too

[–]Nihi1986 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wish I understood this when I was younger. I was one of those idiots believing that women cared exclusively about feelings, personality and looks...oh well, should've worked harder to not be a loser.

Anyway, men in their 20's can be extremely inmature but I think the problem they see is they aren't getting much success for over a whole decade, which is a lot of time for loneliness and frustration if you spent about 50% of that time being unsuccesful.

Women had so many options they could try a different guy every week, serial dating, hook ups... whatever they wanted...and then hit the wall, which is a bit of a myth because even then, they can still get many sexual partners and relationships (though relationships will be harder to find and available men won't be always the best men around)

[–]NationalistGoy 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Whenever someone brings this up I like to use this methapor.

What would be easier to do, NOT to spend 1 million dollars you were given when you were young up until you are 25 years old, or try to earn and save 1 million dollars up until you are 30? I think we could all agree, earning a million dollars is much more difficult than safeguarding a million dollars.

Women are born with value in society, that's just how it is, no reason to be bitter about it, but women have to preserve their value. Men are NOT born with value, we have to earn our value.

Part of the reason that women find life to be tougher later in life, is because they are so used to having it easy when they are young, so when looks fade, skin sags, wrinkles appear, and they don't get this special treatment they have received throughout their life, then life becomes though for them.

Men on the other hand, we don't have it easy since we are born, we face rejection all throughout our youth, we have to become tough, we have to struggle, we have it really bad when we are young, but later in life, if we become successful and wise, then life becomes easy for us.

We both struggle, we both have happy stages in life. They are just not aligned.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Based on your analogy, women don’t get a hold onto that million dollars. It will apparently disintegrate between the years of 18 and 25. According to you. Versus men, may start with nothing, but they’re able to build up to infinite amount of money afterwards. That said, there’s also assumes a woman has $1 million to start with. But that’s not true for most women. And how does a woman “hold onto her value“?

[–]NationalistGoy 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Based on your analogy, women don’t get a hold onto that million dollars.

Never said this.

They get a debit card linked to a savings account with a million dollars, and they can spend it the way they see fit, after 25 years old, the money slowly over the period of several decades dissapear from the account.

It will apparently disintegrate between the years of 18 and 25.

Never said 18 years old, not once.

Versus men, may start with nothing, but they’re able to build up to infinite amount of money afterwards.

Didn't say this.

And how does a woman “hold onto her value“?

Taking care of her physical appearance, learning skills that make her a suitable partner for a long term relationship, being compliant, not being obnoxious, not embarrasing her partner, not engaging in acts that take away status from her or her partner, being considerate, but above all, the most important, not sleeping around before she decides to marry.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

You’re saying girls have $1 million when they’re born. And that we have to “safeguard it“, And then you say that value will start to diminish overtime after 25. I’m not exactly sure what you were comparing to the $1 million? Are you talking about a woman’s ability to attract a males attention? Because in that case, I assume that we’re only talking about women above 18, otherwise we’re talking about pedophilia. And I assume we weren’t talking about pedophilia, but please correct me if I’m wrong. And how exactly does one person spend this money? How does that money decrease?

I actually agree with not having high counts, but I wonder why you think this only applies to a woman. As a woman I would not want to marry someone who slept with 50 girls either. So I don’t really understand the double standards here.

The other things to describe, like not being obnoxious, learning in life skills, personality, etc., they all apply to men as well. I’m not sure why that was only for a woman as well.

[–]NationalistGoy 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I assume

You do that a lot. I noticed.

As a woman

I noticed the moment you started making assumptions.

I would not want to marry someone who slept with 50 girls either

That's you. But the vast majority of women would prefer a man who is good in bed than one who is bad in bed, how do you become good at anything, by practicing right? So for a man to be good in bed, he has to sleep with women.

Also, how does society view a woman who doesn't have sex? She is considered conservative, she is respectable, she is percieved as a good honorable woman.

How does society view a man who doesn't have sex? An incel, inadequate, not enough, not respectable, he is made fun of. As a man I have been made fun for not having a girlfriend for a extended period of time.

Society judges men and women differently. What makes a man valuable, doesn't make a woman valuable. What makes a man attractive, doesn't make a woman attractive. So trying to "equalize" things, or trying to say "men can do this but women can't" it's dumb, because we are not equal, so we don't play by the same rules, and we don't follow the same strategy in life.

[–]BigRed323 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I somewhat agree. Early 20s dating was tough as an average looking dude but once I reached late 20s it started to become a lot easier.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I might be biased, but I think that’s actually better. Unless you’re into casual sex. Because it may be easier for women earlier on, to get other peoples interests, but men that young are not interested in a committed relationship yet. And even if they were, they may not have the maturity to maintain one.

[–]AbbreviationsHot1200 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A woman's test is picking the right man

A man's test is picking the right path

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I said this used to be true. Since a woman used to not be able to form her own path. I’m not sure how true that is anymore.

[–]Thickcock_69 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re foolish if you think that

[–]H8beingmale [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

well far more men than women remain perpetually single later than normal it seems, its far more common for men than it is for women to go well into their 20s, reach 30s or older and never dated, never had a relationship before or still a virgin, seems is the keyword.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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