Honestlt, I think men have it better than women in the world of dating.

johnnybayarea · 2022-07-28T00:21:53+00:00

I personally think men have it easier in the later stages (if they focused on their career) of life while women have it MUCH easier in the beginning stages. The rub is we mostly have the desire/hope to be successfully paired off before we get into the stages that men have the advantage.

if men get into their advantaged years, likely mid 30s and later...the available women are seen to have lower value by that time. Maybe already divorced, children, "run thru", etc. (I know this isn't always true, my wife being that, but i feel this is increasingly rare)

Men could have it easier in the long term, but women shine in the most prime years.

InfamousBake1859 · 2022-07-27T21:51:11+00:00

"Men have it easier because women hit the wall"

"I don’t believe in the wall"

So, to be fair, men and women both have advantages and disadvantages. The only thing women have an advantage at is finding willing partners for casual sex regardless of the quality of those partners. Just because as a guy someone might lower their standards to hook up with someone on Tinder doesn’t mean women are obligated to lower their standards too. It’s a buyers market after all.

Now, in that sense, women do have the advantage of having much more options to choose from and many more opportunities to vet. Not all guys are looking for hook ups so a guy looking for a genuine connection on a dating app will have a harder time connecting with a woman.

The idea of the wall is all relative. I find women into their 40s attractive but I probably wouldn’t date one. Guys can remain attractive as well. In both cases it depends on how well they take care of themselves.

NockerJoe · 2022-07-27T21:58:08+00:00

Telling someone having a bad time "just wait several years and bribe someone" isn't going to have the reaction you think it is.
We're going into a recession after a rough few years of an economy that never fully recovered from 2008's recession. "Just work and build wealth" is neither easy nor guaranteed.
If someone is expected to spend their youth grinding through multiple global crisis then what the fuck is a partner good for besides sex? You obviously aren't getting emotional support or a double income household when you actually need it.
You yourself explicitly don't even believe this and have outright said as such.

At best you're telling men to give up their carefree period of life so some woman will be comfortable enough to pretend to like them. If they can't actually enjoy their lives until then why would they jump right into kids instead of having fun with that wealth if they weren't allowed to before?

That-Nintendo-Gamer · 2022-07-28T03:45:29+00:00

There is no way you’re in this sub and have such clueless, blue pilled takes like this. Just leave bro, r/twoxchromosomes would be a better fit for you.

John_Oakman · 2022-07-27T21:55:07+00:00

Women are more likely to have the mental fortitude and social network to remain single for extended periods (if not lifetime) while their male counterparts for the most part don't. This advantage tends to have knock-on effects, mainly in less pressure to secure a relationship at any point in time, and thus more time to find good options.

sowwi · 2022-07-28T04:03:19+00:00

Most women can literally choose who they want. Most men choose who they can. Now, speaking generally (like always on this sub), we can easily conclude who has it better.

AidsVictim · 2022-07-27T22:37:41+00:00

Generically, many (not all) people believes a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth

Men aren't valued much for their wealth unless they're actually wealthy (earning higher 6 figures or a millionaire in spendable assets) in the context of modern dating. It becomes more important later in life where not having a career of some kind becomes a disqualifier but it never really becomes an incentive for women (again unless they're wealthy) in dating. For women looking to have kids soon or who already have kids a decent career can be somewhat of an incentive.

You can control your career path. Your value will keep going up while for women, our value “peaks after 30” and drops after that. Right? So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone? Just wait a few years and work in yourself.

These men mostly aren't becoming more valuable except in a kids BB situation which is not ideal for most men.

Notimecelduv · 2022-07-27T22:06:56+00:00

I don't believe women suddenly become unattractive when they turn 30. Many women are actually more attractive in their 30s than they were in their 20s. Your looks decline when you get wrinkly, start losing your hair and become more prone to weight gain, but that's also true for men and that doesn't usually happen until later in life.

a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth

A man is valued for a lot more than his financial resources. Looks are essential as well, as is status. All it takes for a woman to attract men is be more than a 2; on top of not being ugly, a man has a lot more requirements to meet.

TryLambda · 2022-07-27T22:18:27+00:00

What nonsense is this.......... are you on another planet? 99% of men do not get a proper conversation on dating sites, they get ignored or one word answers or worse converse with bots.........women on the other hand have access to thousands of men on sites 24/7..... 24/7.....24/7.... and they only choose the top 1% of men in that pool..... think about that

TheRedPillRipper · 2022-07-27T23:01:56+00:00

Your value will keep going up

Your premise is flawed here. It’s only if a man’s value increases; that his options follow suit.

Godspeed and good luck!

2022-07-27T23:09:23+00:00

LMFAOOOOOOO

purplish_possum · 2022-07-28T00:43:44+00:00

LOL. OP thinks women are attracted to guys with good careers.

2022-07-27T22:05:36+00:00

Women have it better when they're younger, men have it better overall.

wtknight · 2022-07-27T23:40:51+00:00

Most men don't want to wait until they are older to start having sexual success. People in general aren't very patient.

Furthermore, even if the age range of women that a 30-year-old guy can date is fairly large, it's more difficult for older men to date the youngest, supposedly most desirable women. Most 20-year-old women are going to think that dating a 30-year-old guy is weird unless he's got something really good going for him, and most of those guys who have something really good going for them weren't having a lack of success back when they were 20-year-old guys.

hopeidontforget2021 · 2022-07-28T00:59:16+00:00

Men DO have it better in dating because they have the ability to be the architects of their own success. Of course that's a double edged sword (can't just sit back on dating apps) but that kind of attitude is what gives men a structural advantage in everything.

Women whether it's culturally or biologically at large are passive actors. A woman who strategically dates and takes initiative probably has it better though.

JAE_7502 · 2022-07-28T01:47:27+00:00

Men start behind a wall and have to build themselves up to get over it. This usually involves many long years to build a career, hitting the gym, etc. Women will mostly get attention just by existing and taking a little care of themselves.

Barely-moral · 2022-07-27T22:35:31+00:00

Generically, many (not all) people believes a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth. Then people say women “expire” after 30/35/ if they have kids/etc. so wouldn’t this mean men have it easier?

No. Youth is free. Wealth requires effort.

You can control your career path. Your value will keep going up while for women, our value “peaks after 30” and drops after that. Right? So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone? Just wait a few years and work in yourself.

First, telling a man to wait to get a used and inferior version of a woman is not good.

Second. Humans are nothing more than a body and the electrical/chemical patterns within it. Humans are not their decisions, their possessions nor the results of their actions. Humans are bodies.

A woman that is desired for her body is desired for what/who she is. A man that is desired for the results of his actions is a man that is not desired at all.

Third. Men don't follow briffault law. Past benefit provided by a woman continues to have value even if she can no longer provide it. If a woman gives me her youth I am indebted to her for life.

UnusualMeaning2170 · 2022-07-27T22:27:22+00:00

What an argument, men have it better because they get the opportunity to provide for women, hell of an advantage. "Value going up" lmao, what's actually happening is women are tired of the fun and are ready to settle with career oriented men to take care of their offspring, men's value isn't going up as lovers, but woker drones. Genuinely what mental gymnastics do you have to go through with stats from OLD (which is increasingly becoming the way most ppl 18 29 are dating so calling it irrelevant is disingenuous) all pointing towards the fact that men have the short end of the stick in the dating game overall, that they have it easier?

johnny_is_home · 2022-07-27T23:16:30+00:00

Generically, many (not all) people believes a woman is valued for her looks and a man is valued for his wealth.

"Women aren't visual teehee".

Bullshit. Men are valued for both looks and wealth.

Your value will keep going up

Physically? Definitely not. "Men age like fine wine" is gigacope. Men don't age as badly and drastically as women do, but we definitely do become less physically attractive with age, especially after our 30s. Balding, fat gain, ageing skin, etc.

Financially? How exactly is being used as an ATM something to look forward to?

our value “peaks after 30” and drops after that

No your value peaks in your late teens/early 20s.

bronzeageretard · 2022-07-27T22:48:22+00:00

Men are never loved unconditionally, that’s always been true.

wtknight · 2022-07-27T21:51:24+00:00

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pan3639 · 2022-07-28T08:57:11+00:00

Men have to create their value, women are born with it, that in itself will always make it harder for men. Even after women lose value, there are still men willing to be with them, but they're still obsessed with Chad in their old age. Even he will still fuck them.

I don't even know why I have to explain this.

2022-07-28T03:59:11+00:00

so wouldn’t this mean men have it easier?

Beyond their 30's? Absolutely, as long as they keep themselves fit and successful.

Right? So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone?

Because they are in their 20's and are annoyingly impatient. Ignore them. They will need to wait, just like we 30 and 40 year old guys had to.

Friedidli · 2022-07-28T21:07:33+00:00

So basically it's better to be wanted for what you can provide in a relationship than any kind of charecter or personality or what makes you , you.

That got old the second i considered it.

Much rather die alone, thanks.

Kentucky_Supreme · 2022-07-27T22:45:02+00:00

Lady, if I could "control my career path" I would make millions doing my favorite hobbies, lol.

Also, I would say women peak early-mid 20's. Definitely not 30. Yes "some" might peak at 30 but exceptions don't make the rule and I'm speaking in general terms. It's annoying to have to spell it out but of course, this is reddit after all.

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2022-07-27T21:51:21+00:00

"Men have it easier because women hit the wall"

"I don’t believe in the wall"

So, to be fair, men and women both have advantages and disadvantages. The only thing women have an advantage at is finding willing partners for casual sex regardless of the quality of those partners. Just because as a guy someone might lower their standards to hook up with someone on Tinder doesn’t mean women are obligated to lower their standards too. It’s a buyers market after all.

Now, in that sense, women do have the advantage of having much more options to choose from and many more opportunities to vet. Not all guys are looking for hook ups so a guy looking for a genuine connection on a dating app will have a harder time connecting with a woman.

The idea of the wall is all relative. I find women into their 40s attractive but I probably wouldn’t date one. Guys can remain attractive as well. In both cases it depends on how well they take care of themselves.

2022-07-28T02:22:19+00:00

So why are the men here crying about ranking and finding someone?

Not happening.

Glad-Discount-4761 · 2022-07-28T11:27:52+00:00

Yes I agree. Whenever I hear man talking about finding partner, I am like you can choose younger one in future too

Nihi1986 · 2022-07-28T14:25:00+00:00

I wish I understood this when I was younger. I was one of those idiots believing that women cared exclusively about feelings, personality and looks...oh well, should've worked harder to not be a loser.

Anyway, men in their 20's can be extremely inmature but I think the problem they see is they aren't getting much success for over a whole decade, which is a lot of time for loneliness and frustration if you spent about 50% of that time being unsuccesful.

Women had so many options they could try a different guy every week, serial dating, hook ups... whatever they wanted...and then hit the wall, which is a bit of a myth because even then, they can still get many sexual partners and relationships (though relationships will be harder to find and available men won't be always the best men around)

NationalistGoy · 2022-07-28T19:33:12+00:00

Whenever someone brings this up I like to use this methapor.

What would be easier to do, NOT to spend 1 million dollars you were given when you were young up until you are 25 years old, or try to earn and save 1 million dollars up until you are 30? I think we could all agree, earning a million dollars is much more difficult than safeguarding a million dollars.

Women are born with value in society, that's just how it is, no reason to be bitter about it, but women have to preserve their value. Men are NOT born with value, we have to earn our value.

Part of the reason that women find life to be tougher later in life, is because they are so used to having it easy when they are young, so when looks fade, skin sags, wrinkles appear, and they don't get this special treatment they have received throughout their life, then life becomes though for them.

Men on the other hand, we don't have it easy since we are born, we face rejection all throughout our youth, we have to become tough, we have to struggle, we have it really bad when we are young, but later in life, if we become successful and wise, then life becomes easy for us.

We both struggle, we both have happy stages in life. They are just not aligned.

InfamousBake1859 · 2022-07-28T19:43:52+00:00

I somewhat agree. Early 20s dating was tough as an average looking dude but once I reached late 20s it started to become a lot easier.

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2022-07-28T21:16:32+00:00

A woman's test is picking the right man

A man's test is picking the right path

H8beingmale · 2022-07-31T22:06:03+00:00

well far more men than women remain perpetually single later than normal it seems, its far more common for men than it is for women to go well into their 20s, reach 30s or older and never dated, never had a relationship before or still a virgin, seems is the keyword.

Title	Honestlt, I think men have it better than women in the world of dating.
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