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How can women both be too picky, have too high of numbers, yet you are also not willing to wait?

InfamousBake1859
October 7, 2022
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Guys here are like 1. Women are too picky, i can’t find a girl who will be with me. 2. I want a low count woman/virgin. 3. But i’m not willing to wait months/years before I get sex.

I’m confused. Do you just want a bunch of girls who have no standards for you but high standards for everyone else? A virgin who doesn’t want sex with anyone else or a low count woman who has no libido before you, but once she meets you, she transforms into a high libido sexual fiend - after thr first or second date?

There was this one dude will be like “girls aith high counts are nasty”. Then i look in his comment history, he’s telling guys to cut their losses if there is no sex or mention of sex soon by the 3rd date. Then in another comment, they are whinning about how girls are too picky and we have standards too high. Then he told another girl that she’s a single mom bc she opened her legs for everyone and it’s her fault for not picking better men.

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Title How can women both be too picky, have too high of numbers, yet you are also not willing to wait?
Author InfamousBake1859
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Date October 7, 2022 1:47 PM UTC (4 months ago)
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[–]M3taBusterTrad Volcel 17 points18 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

There are 3 groups of men:

- Group 1 wants a low body count woman, but is willing to wait.

- Group 2 wants sex quickly, but doesn't care about body count.

- Group 3 wants a low body count and wants sex quickly.

Groups 1 and 2 comprise the vast majority of men, and both positions are perfectly consistent and reasonable in their own right. Group 3 exists, but they are a small minority, and they are hypocritical, unrealistic, entitled morons whose opinions should be completely disregarded.

If you're a woman who wants to know how you should navigate all this:

- Ignore Group 3.

- If you're currently low body count, choose which types of guys appeal to you more between Group 1 and 2 and live a lifestyle that is compatible with the Group you chose. You appeal to Group 1 by remaining low body count and you appeal to Group 2 by putting out early.

- If you're already high body count, you don't have a choice, and must appeal to Group 2 by putting out at least as early as your earliest so far.

As for how pickiness factors in, I don't think many men are really complaining that women are too picky. I'm sure that's what many say, but that's not what they mean. What they are actually complaining about is women being too picky about the wrong traits and not picky enough about the right traits. I.e., being too picky about looks, and not picky enough about character. And whether right or wrong, I don't think that position necessarily contradicts any views on body count or putting out, regardless of which Group they belong to.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947Willing to tell you its your face not your personality. -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine saying a woman with a high body count is too picky while also saying she ‘has’ to appeal to someone. We either have our pick of the litter by virtue of being female or we don’t. It can’t be both.

[–]BothWaysItGoesLibertarian -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Group 3 exists, but they are a small minority, and they are hypocritical, unrealistic, entitled morons whose opinions should be completely disregarded.

Lmao. All three groups are hypocritical because they refuse to date men /s. There is nothing hypocritical about having preferences. If someone wants to be a SAHP, is it hypocritical to expect their SO to have a job? No, people value different things, and there is nothing hypocritical in not wanting to date a mirror copy of yourself.

[–]M3taBusterTrad Volcel 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If someone wants to be a SAHP, is it hypocritical to expect their SO to have a job?

That's different, because the two complement each other, and one person isn't inherently offering more value than the other.

If women universally demonstrated active preference for men who are more promiscuous, then maybe it'd be a different story. But that's not the case. They are at best neutral, and often prefer less promiscuous men (though that preference is generally less pronounced than it is in men toward women). When red-pillers say women want promiscuous men, that is wishful thinking, and just not reality.

So men who have high body counts but want low body count women are demanding a woman that objectively offers more value than they do, and had to go through more effort to keep her body count low, while he did not do the same. They are imposing a standard on someone that they don't live up to themselves. That's different than wanting to fulfill different roles in a complementary relationship dynamic.

And also, wanting a woman who is low body count, but puts out quickly exclusively for you is unrealistic because the two are in direct conflict. A woman who puts out quickly is bound to demonstrate all the same traits that make her more likely to put out quickly for others too, which would inevitibly cause her to accrue a high body count.

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Theres no way to this day people still argue against the redpill 😂 bro. A bunch of losers who were fat in highschool shouldnt be commenting on dating at any stage of their lives

[–]BothWaysItGoesLibertarian 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's different, because the two complement each other, and one person isn't inherently offering more value than the other.

First of all, no one offers any inherent value. Second, demands aren’t unidimensional, you can offset demands in one sphere by providing more value through other means (looks, personality, money, social status, sense of humor, etc).

So men who have high body counts but want low body count women are demanding a woman that objectively offers more value than they do

No? Is body count the universal measure of human value now?

And also, wanting a woman who is low body count, but puts out quickly exclusively for you is unrealistic because the two are in direct conflict. A woman who puts out quickly is bound to demonstrate all the same traits that make her more likely to put out quickly for others too, which would inevitibly cause her to accrue a high body count.

Eh? So what? I want to be lazy and to be fit at the same time. Is it unrealistic? Yeah. Does it mean I will have to compromise between those two goals. Yeah. Does it make my wishes inherently wrong and evil? No.

[–]M3taBusterTrad Volcel 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

First of all, no one offers any inherent value.

That's just not true. What are you, a post modernist?

Second, demands aren’t unidimensional, you can offset demands in one sphere by providing more value through other means

Sure... in theory. But I'd argue that that sets you up for an unhealthy dynamic. You'd be relying on a power imbalance in another area to get your partner to excuse a flaw about you, when they would not normally be interested in you. Rather than actually being compatible.

Is body count the universal measure of human value now?

No, but it is the universal measure of value in regards to body count, which is an important factor in what someone offers in a relationship, and can't just be "made up for" by offering something else, just like you can't satisfy your need to eat by sleeping more.

I want to be lazy and to be fit at the same time. Is it unrealistic? Yeah. Does it mean I will have to compromise between those two goals. Yeah. Does it make my wishes inherently wrong and evil? No.

You keep making analogies that are not actually analogous. The difference is that when you want a woman who is both low body count and willing to put out quickly, you are placing an unrealistic expectation on someone else. Your example is just an internal struggle that only concerns yourself.

[–]Bandit174🦝 81 points82 points  (125 children) | Copy Link

Women can be picky and still rack up high numbers. If you accept the narrative that the most attractive guys are getting most of the casual sex that would explain the dynamic where women are both picky but having a lot of casual sex and also why guy wish women would either be less picky OR that they could find a low n girl that didn't have casual sex.

Guys are often willing to wait if the girl is low n, they just don't want to wait for a girl that had sex early on with other men.

Guys here are like 1. Women are too picky, i can’t find a girl who will be with me. 2. I want a low count woman/virgin. 3. But i’m not willing to wait months/years before I get sex.

I think guys want one of the following:

1 A low n girl that hasnt had casual sex whom they would be willing to wait for

2 A non low n girl who is willing to have sex within the first couple of dates just like she did in the past.

What guys dislike is the worst of both worlds scenario where they are unable to get a low n girl but also unable to have casual sex and get stuck with a girl that used to be slutty and easy for other men but wants to take things slow and make them wait.

From a male imperative perspective that is the worst and least flattering scenario but that seems to be the bulk of whats on offer.

[–]rrrattt 10 points11 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious, how would someone know whether the girl is low n or high n and how quickly she has had sex with prior partners? Is that something some people duscuss before dating?

[–]CentralAdmin 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It comes out eventually. Someone with a slutty past has friends that may let slip their history, past partners may enter the picture, her family may out her in one way or another.

They may do this in all innocence, such as saying she was a bit of a wild child or a party animal and she went to trance parties.

It may be less innocent such as ex boyfriends still hanging around her social media or who keep in touch. If he is lucky the information comes out sooner rather than later and he can decide whether to stay or go.

If he is unlucky he discovers an old video of her getting gang banged by the rugby team, but a few years into a marriage where he practically has to beg for sex it is so infrequent. In this case she lied or was selective with the truth. No man looks forward to committing to a liar, much less a slut who fucks him like a prude.

Men do fear women reducing intimacy once they have secured the commitment they wanted. Because then they are stuck or must potentially ruin their family and finances just to feel loved again.

[–]Remy_me_me 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Off-topic, but i have an acquaintance whose gf went behind his back and banged an entire men's collegiate lacrosse team over a 2-week spring break. We know cuz she bragged about it i.e. this shit is real

[–]-Starship 15 points16 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The majority of human communication is nonverbal. Things don't need to be explicitly said for people to speculate on traits or behaviors, though what people say is taken into account. Body language, facial expressions, voice intonation, treatment of service staff, treatment of strangers, reactions to certain scenarios, etc. Those are just a few things we use, consciously or not, to figure out who someone is.

It's not an exact science and won't give you a whole picture of someone, but it's where instinct comes from. It's why if someone is giving you a bad feeling, you should trust your instinct, because there's probably something you subconsciously noticed.

[–]Choice_Ad_6230 12 points13 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I've tried to state this before- if you date a number of women, they tell on themselves without saying a word.

Forget that though- most women today just talk about it openly. They don't care.

[–]14ers4days1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

You guys are so full of it. You don't know a thing, unless they tell you, and not even then, because they lie.

[–]Anykindofland 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm curious, how would someone know whether the girl is low n or high n and how quickly she has had sex with prior partners?

They tell you. Its not hard to get this information, just let them talk and wait.

[–]warramite 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It ain't that hard, if her social media is full of bikini pics and thirst traps, that should be your first assumption

[–]pronouns-king-lord1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Girls with low n counts generally will be more reserved when discussing sex and high count girls will be very open about discussing sex.

[–]DysfunctionalKitten 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is definitely not true. It is true that men assume that it’s the case lol, but it’s not accurate. I was a virgin until after graduating high school/ legally an adult, spent most of 18-31 in two long term relationships, and have never slept around, but I’ve been interested in discussing sexual topics intellectually from an insanely young age (to the point that my parents’ way of handling it when I was a child and asking questions was to sit me down in that part of the library and allow me to take out whatever books I wanted to provide more education lol). Verbalizing curiosity and desires, what you know your body likes, are not synonymous with sleeping around or high body count.

While I suppose it could depend on the context such conversations happen within, I think this is a dangerous assumption to make. It kind of immediately stigmatizes women for being at all thoughtful about their own preferences and sexual desires, and makes it something shameful for women to discuss, rather than it being healthy for them to process their feelings about sexual acts and confidence about verbalizing what makes them feel good (or not) and why. I sometimes get the feeling while reading these comments that men don’t want women to be full people, that such complexity bc it’s different than the experience of men, is inconvenient, and therefore it’s easier if we as a society tie negative assumptions to the things that women speak about, to relieve men of accountability to integrate such differences into their lives and treatment of women. And no, I’m not making an accusation, or suggesting all men (on this sub or otherwise) feel that way, esp not consciously. But I do find myself a bit dumbfounded over assumptions like this one that seem very removed from the desire to actually learn a woman as human being, to want her to be a full person without the man’s presence, as opposed to wanting to possess her sexuality like a trophy that only occurs in a space he can see and experience and use as something symbolic of his status.

I’m sure I’ll get downvoted to hell on this, but I said what I said lol.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947Willing to tell you its your face not your personality. 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You may get downvoted but you’re speaking a reality of sexuality with many men here. They don’t view sex as a mutual connection they view it as something they take from a woman to exchange for male acceptance.

[–]New_Relative_8709 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of times you don’t date complete strangers, you know them from somewhere or someone, and know their stories and opinions regarding sex, mainly today that sex is way less of a tabu and widely discussed

[–]techr0nin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t have to be before dating. The facts coming out at any point can potentially change the texture of the relationship.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 18 points19 points  (95 children) | Copy Link

> Guys are often willing to wait if the girl is low n, they just don't want to wait for a girl that had sex early on with other men.

I've seen SO many guys here claim that if a woman doesn't sleep with you immediately, then she's not truly attracted to you, regardless of their own n count.

> A non low n girl who is willing to have sex within the first couple of dates just like she did in the past.

As in just for casual sex or in the context of a potential relationship? Because the majority of RP guys here say they wouldn't be in a relationship with a high n count woman end of.

[–]throwaway164_3 16 points17 points  (55 children) | Copy Link

I've seen SO many guys here claim that if a woman doesn't sleep with you immediately, then she's not truly attracted to you, regardless of their own n count.

As I guy, I agree with this. When I was single and dating, I was looking for sex between 4 to 6 dates

Otherwise, it’s clear she wasn’t physically attracted to me and on to the next one

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 10 points11 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

By that logic, many women have never experienced physical attraction to anyone.

[–]throwaway164_3 1 point2 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

I don’t understand.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Even if they're a virgin who wants to wait until it "feels right" or marriage?

Regardless, you're within your rights to want sex relatively soon into the relationship. However I just can't agree with that assumption.

[–]throwaway164_3 2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Well, honestly I would feel uncomfortable dating her if she was a virgin because of her sexual inexperience

It’s nice to date a woman who lusts after you as much as you do after her. There’s no way I’d date a woman who wants to wait until marriage. It probably means she’s religious so we are totally incompatible anyway

[–]CentralAdmin 11 points12 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I've seen SO many guys here claim that if a woman doesn't sleep with you immediately, then she's not truly attracted to you, regardless of their own n count.

That's because of the environment everyone operates in now. If it was a conservative one where women waited until marriage to have sex, men would probably not be saying that if she isn't fucking immediately she isn't into you.

The context is important. The reason men don't want to wait is because women don't want to. Women are the gatekeepers of sex. If they offer some men sex quickly but make you wait then she isn't really that into you. It's better to be the kind of guy she cannot resist than be someone she doesn't really desire. Or if she needs time before sex happens she needs to be consistent with all her partners so he knows she is principled and doesn't desire him less.

There are enough stories from men and women about women sleeping with men they barely know, to know that women are capable of offering sex soon and that they will be a slut for the right type of guy.

Otherwise, good luck convincing women to give up the option of casual sex. Even if they hate it, they would rather still have the option to fuck whenever they want than wait until a LTR comes along.

As in just for casual sex or in the context of a potential relationship? Because the majority of RP guys here say they wouldn't be in a relationship with a high n count woman end of.

The majority of RP guys aren't looking for anything long term that could lead to marriage. They want to develop their own soft harems/selection of women for sex. They may change things depending on whether she exhibits traits he wants but his first step is to get sex from her for as long as she is willing to do non-committed sex.

[–]JoeRMD77 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The majority of RP guys aren't looking for anything long term that could lead to marriage.

If RP men aren't worried about relationships then why are they worried about dating sluts???

This is the core issue I find with RP is that these guys actually are looking for relationships, they're just acting like they're not.

I doubt most of those RP men could say they've been a single as long as I have - going on 15 years now. Last time I dated was my high school sweetheart and I'm 2 years away from 40.

Unless RP men are liberal then they're dying to be in relationships.

[–]CentralAdmin 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If RP men aren't worried about relationships then why are they worried about dating sluts???

He is getting what he wants without offering the commitment needed for a LTR to happen. He is doing this because he doesn't feel committing to sluts is a good idea but he still wants sex. They are not dating for marriage in mind.

This is the core issue I find with RP is that these guys actually are looking for relationships, they're just acting like they're not.

I think what you are seeing is a deep, profound sadness these men feel for having to let go of a dream they had. They are grieving (and angry) about the fact that the romantic love and ideals they once held dear do not matter.

They do want relationships. They do want love. They want to feel accepted by a woman who is dedicated and loyal and willing to fuck his brains out. But they didn't get that. They kept getting friendzoned and rejected by women.

Men don't RP men. Women do. They could not have gotten there without women's help. They got ridiculed for being Nice Guys when they tried being kind during their approach and establishing a friendship before trying to take things further. Meanwhile assholes were getting laid and they felt left out.

I agree with you that they would rather be in a committed, loving relationship. But they have been burnt by a SMP that is shallow and has revealed women's sexual strategies to be anything but moral. So they ditched the morality as well. They wanted women to desire them for their virtue, hard work and kindness. But women would rather fuck a hot alcoholic/bad boy/asshole than settle down with an average nice guy. So why not be that guy to at least have the option than be a lonely but nice guy?

This has been much of the RP Vs BP debate. BP blames the men for not figuring it out. RP blames the women for being shitty. Those RP men used to be blue pilled, feminist and liberal. But they are getting more sex and attention from women by putting themselves first and not worshipping at the altar of woman.

[–]14ers4days 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Women are not gatekeepers of sex. Christ why so people say that? It's absurd. Every human being has self-control.

[–]UnjustlyBannedTime10Purple Pill Man 10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Women absolutely are the gatekeepers of both sex and the relationship because 1) they have all the power of sexual selection and are free to put forth whatever standards they want and pick and choose men in accordance to them, while men have to adapt to them and put active effort into being selected and 2) modern women do not need sex and relationship as much as men, as both their libidoes and happiness are lower in a relationship than men's. They are do not remarry as much as men and can derive significant happiness from platonic friendships and pets, thus completely eliminating any urge for a romantic relationship that haunts the vast majority of men.

[–]CentralAdmin 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This has got to do with dynamics between men and women. Women generally are the ones who decide sex happens. Men are the ones who generally approach women for sex.

Men initiate and escalate. Women say yay or nay. If he doesn't respect her consent it is a crime. How often do women seek sex in the same way? Not often. They are usually in the position of choosing while men have to make the approach (and are often rejected).

It isn't about self control in this instance but rather about a mating ritual. If women wanted sex as much as men there would not be growing sexlessness, nor would there be as many dead bedrooms about. In dead bedrooms it is usually a man trying to get his wife to have sex again but she keeps rejecting him.

Also consider the N counts of gay men compared to lesbian bed death. Men generally want sex more than women. So in a heterosexual relationship it is the woman, not the man, that decides when sex happens.

This is why if she makes you wait for sex while all the other men got it quickly, she just isn't as into you as she was with the other men.

[–]Bandit174🦝 9 points10 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

I've seen SO many guys here claim that if a woman doesn't sleep with you immediately, then she's not truly attracted to you, regardless of their own n count.

Can you give an example? Generally I think they mean if she's had sex immediately before with other men. If she's been concistent with making men wait I dont think most guys will think she's not attracted based on that.

As in just for casual sex or in the context of a potential relationship? Because the majority of RP guys here say they wouldn't be in a relationship with a high n count woman end of.

Both. The ideal if she's high n is to start out a fuck buddies and escalate to a relationship afterwards rsther than being put in the boyfriend box right out of the gate.

The guys who are most frustrated about n count are guys that only ever get thrown in the bf box by high n women but rarely to never in the fuckbuddy box. It makes them feel like they drew the short straw or got left holding the bag.

[–]bunnakaybirth control pill 7 points8 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

The ideal if she's high n is to start out a fuck buddies and escalate to a relationship afterwards rsther than being put in the boyfriend box right out of the gate.

This presumes you can get out of the fuck buddy box, which isn't how most women I know choose their casual sex partners.

EDIT: even if that was the case, you don't become a fuck buddy by asking someone out on a date.

[–]Bandit174🦝 5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I think for guys its easier to go from fuckbuddy to relationship than it is to go from relationship to fuckbuddy.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

>Can you give an example? Generally I think they mean if she's had sex immediately before with other men. If she's been concistent with making men wait I dont think most guys will think she's not attracted based on that.

The typical argument that I've seen is that if she doesn't sleep with you within the first few dates, then she was never attracted to you. I've even seen people here say that if she doesn't sleep with you on the FIRST date, then she's clearly not attracted to you because they believe they would give it up for a Chad immediately, regardless of their own views on sex.

[–]OhDestinyAltMine 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

People exaggerate a general truth to remove agency from themselves, and then opposite people tear down that exaggeration so they don’t have to address the underlying truth from the original idea

[–]Vegetable-Rub3418 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen SO many guys here claim that if a woman doesn't sleep with you immediately, then she's not truly attracted to you, regardless of their own n count

They are half right. Sex is the easiest way to know if a woman likes you and at the same time you should always place yourself in the lovers category over the provider/boyfriend category

[–]Teflon08191 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've seen SO many guys here claim that if a woman doesn't sleep with you immediately, then she's not truly attracted to you

Because it's usually true. "Immediately" may be a stretch but sexual attraction isn't generally something that develops in women over time. If she's not sexually attracted to you now, she probably won't be later either.

[–]launcelot021 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

You sir deserve an upvote. Explained it perfectly.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeNow Accepting Simp Applications[M] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do not circlejerk.

[–]Sad_Top1743Misogyny is not a joke Jim 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you’re a lower value guy that’s the kind of woman you get stuck with unfortunately

[–]DicamVeritatemRed Pill Man 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. 100%. Exactly.

[–]CimZimPurple Pill Woman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

1 A low n girl that hasnt had casual sex whom they would be willing to wait for

From personal experience of being a virgin until age 23, I don't believe this for one second. Guys don't wait more than 3-4 dates before leaving if there's no sex, even if you can actually get them to believe you're still a virgin.

[–]Gundam_net 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. This is right. Especially virgin guys, they want sex fast but only with either low body count normal looking women or any body count hot women. They're desperate but also not wanting to feel bad about themselves by being not chosen or leftover. Basically, they don't want to feel disabled.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Basically

[–]LTBR1955 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He wants women to go through and an end prize he'll keep .

I defend men on this sub all the time but that's the god honest truth .

[–]techr0nin 28 points29 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

I don’t personally hold this position but the answer is simple — if all men have to wait, then waiting is not an issue; but if some men gets it first, then these men want equal treatment.

Except obviously all men are not equal, therefore this position doesn’t make sense. Obsessing over equity is just a symptom of entitlement.

[–]Sad_Top1743Misogyny is not a joke Jim 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Different men get completely different treatment, for men dating is a zero sum game.

[–]nofaploveit 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yep. Why should I have to wait years when guy 1 waited a day.

I’ve been both guys so I’m not an idiot.

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Congratulations, you've slept with two different women, only one of whom liked casual sex.

[–]nofaploveit 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don’t understand your response

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You were with different kinds of women, not the same woman who waited two different amounts of time.

[–]Drive-By-Cuckers 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Idk I feel like a good solution would be to just try to be better so that you get a better deal

[–]techr0nin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. It’s called sexual competition for a reason.

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 2 points3 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

So if any minority of women have casual sex, waiting becomes an issue?

[–]empresa_josefinaNo Pill 5 points6 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

The argument is that a singular woman would have quick casual sex with some guys and make other guys wait.

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 4 points5 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

The argument was about all men having to wait versus some. Realistically, you're not going to know what an individual woman has and hasn't done in the past.

[–]empresa_josefinaNo Pill 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It’s fairly easy to tell. I have been on many third dates where I start making out with the woman and she stops me to say, “just so you know, I’ve moved quickly in the past and that resulted in me getting hurt, so I want to move more slowly this time.” Fairly obvious that she didn’t make previous fuccboi wait and she’s making me wait.

The easy way to find out is to just go for it on date 3. A woman who just doesn’t move fast say to slow down because she isn’t comfortable yet. A woman who gave it up quick to other guys will have a story about how moving fast is bad for XYZ reasons, she tries to justify it.

“I’ve changed, I take it slow now”

“I really like you and don’t want to ruin it” (why would she think this ruins it unless she gave it up fast in the past?)

Some variation on the above is a decent sign.

[–]C4yourshelf 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Realistically most women aren't liars. And no woman worth dating is so insecure about her dating history that she doesn't talk about it

[–]Flipping_Everything 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You're right, and thats why for a man it's in his best interest to not treat a woman like a virgin.

In 2022 most women you meet have had sex on the 1st, 2nd, or third date. It's pragmatic for me to not waste my time waiting for a women.

If she doesn't want to have sex after a few dates thats cool, I'm just not going to wait around and waste my time on her.

[–]ConvolutedMaze 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The vast majority of women will have casual sex with the right kind of guy in the right situation. Even if she's withholding this information. Do you honestly believe this isn't true?

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

The majority of women don't like casual sex and have never been in the elusive "right situation". But of course, you can just assume all women secretly like it and are lying about what makes them comfortable.

[–]ConvolutedMaze 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Young women have a much smaller sexlessness rate than young men so they're having sex with somebody. They're definitely not trying to meet men for long term relationships so unless the vast majority of women have become cat ladies already they're definitely fucking.

[–]FlyV89 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On a broader perspective, yes, even if it's a very tinny minority it can give society the impresion that this is a cultural trend. It doesn't help that we live in the era of comunication, so every piece of information that is of general intrest tends to be amplified and exascerbated.

I suspect this is the reasson why women in past times used slutshaming as a cultural tool to prevent the dating forms of going off the rails.

Men are being raised and growing up into a world that portrays women on a very promiscuous light. This can absolutely take a tool in the dating strategies of more traditional and conservative women, since one of the most important values they hold as a power, their... Lets say, "discrete sexual past", has diminishing returns in a dating market where men think all women are promiscuous until proven otherwise... Can a woman actually prove she's a modest and traditional woman? Not really

[–]techr0nin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The context here is not just casual sex but wait time in general. And to be clear it’s an issue for some men. As I said I don’t personally hold this position.

[–]supershotmd 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Obsessing over equity is just a symptom of entitlement.

Tell that to people fighting against wealth inequality or for a higher minimum wage.

[–]techr0nin -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do.

[–]JollyFawn90 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Obsessing over equity is just a symptom of entitlement.

Feminists have entered the chat

[–]8m3gm60 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Except obviously all men are not equal, therefore this position doesn’t make sense.

I think the point is that they know they are being used as part of an act she is putting on.

Ali Wong does a great job of describing it.

https://youtu.be/GRM8BADya8w

[–]techr0nin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Except I don’t think it’s an act. We all have an internalized hierarchy of human value and adjust our behaviors accordingly, at least during the initial stages of courtship.

[–]Leather-Creme2611 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are viewing all men here as a single organisim, rather than unique individual humans with varying opinions, saying varying things 🤣

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. The last paragraph in my op was all said by one person

[–]DrBobyRed Pill dad 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m confused. Do you just want a bunch of girls who have no standards for you but high standards for everyone else? A virgin who doesn’t want sex with anyone else or a low count woman who has no libido before you, but once she meets you, she transforms into a high libido sexual fiend - after thr first or second date?

Yes. It's basically whan men dream of.

A woman who is crazy for them, but does not care about other men.

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Is is realistic ? Not really. But that's still what men want. That and being billionaire.

[–]DisastrousCommon6560 22 points23 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Do you expect incels/redpillers that spend all their time sheltered due to social ineptitude to have any semblance of reality? lol.

Dudes that feel entitled to something as logically inconsistent as a virgin/low n count woman that turns into a high libido sex demon (but only for them) are a lost cause in the dating pool before it even starts

[–]Sea_Bother_2847 16 points17 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

They’re also in the comments saying “women don’t make chads wait for sex therefore us low value men ALSO shouldn’t have to wait for sex” as if that’s anywhere near a realistic expectation to have

Feeling entitled to high value privileges in life while not being high value yourself is about as delusional as you can get. They seem to easily understand this when bashing low value women for wanting chad to commit to them though

[–]Mydragonurdungeon 5 points6 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Then women need to be honest with men and tell them they view them as low value and that's why they made them wait

[–]Sea_Bother_2847 17 points18 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Then men also need to be honest with women and tell them they view them as too low value for a committed relationship instead of lying about their true feelings in order to get in their pants. Both sides are guilty yet women will continue to get 95% of the flack for it here and it’s ridiculous

[–]Mydragonurdungeon -2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

That's just silly, do you honestly believe that there is even a reasonably comparable amount of men lying about being interested vs women who don't tell their bf that they think they are low value?

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This will never happen because women need those guys to believe they desire them or they won't get comittment from them.

[–]warramite 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They’re also in the comments saying “women don’t make chads wait for sex therefore us low value men ALSO shouldn’t have to wait for sex” as if that’s anywhere near a realistic expectation to have

Women don't make Chad wait, so the solution is simple. Find a woman who considers you Chad and ignore the rest

It ain't that hard to understand

[–]Sea_Bother_2847 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah because that would actually take effort. It’s easier to screech “AWALT” and huff massive amounts of copium than to actually try with women

[–]LaloTwinsLaloPilled 7 points8 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

You are listening to different people, different people say different things.

I've never said 1. I'd be picky too if sex with me could potentially force me to grow a watermelon sized parasite and push it through my coin sized hole

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

This dude will be like “girls aith high counts are nasty”. Then i look in his comment history, he’s telling guys to cut their losses if there is no sex by the 3rd date. Then in another comment, they are whinning about how girls are too picky and we have standards too high. Then he told another girl that she’s a single mom bc she opened her legs for everyone and it’s her fault for not picking better men.

[–]LaloTwinsLaloPilled 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're gonna have to ask that dude then

[–]Perfect_Sir4820 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You do understand that people have different expectations for casual sex partners and LTR/marriage prospect partners right? I mean that's pretty basic and shouldn't require any explanation but you seem confused.

TRP men want casual sex with no strings until they are ready for a LTR. When they are ready they want women with a low number of prior sex partners. Is it hypocritical? Sure but as women tell us so often, men and women are different and want different things.

Now you may say the above is too contradictory or unrealistic of an expectation and you may be right. But so is your average 5-7, likely overweight women thinking that getting fucked by 20 Tinder-chads means that she can lock one of them down to make babies with.

[–]14ers4days 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

And that's hypocritical of them (TRP men).

[–]Perfect_Sir4820 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

OK and? Is it a problem that its hypocritical? Broke women wanting high-income men is also hypocritical but again, women and men want different things so you just have to accept that its the way things are.

[–]8m3gm60 -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Maybe just don't get so worked up about what some 13 year old said on reddit?

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Oh is that you excuse when men are being hypocritical? To infantize men? “Oh, he’s just a boy”? Maybe acknoweldge an issue that is happening, but gosh, would be too hard

[–]8m3gm60 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

No, I mean it was probably actually some 13 year old and you shouldn't be getting yourself worked up over it.

[–]supershotmd 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I'd be picky too if sex with me could potentially force me to grow a watermelon sized parasite and push it through my coin sized hole.

Except women are clearly not picky in that way. Women aren't having sex with men based on if they are stable, good income, responsible, no criminal record, etc.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Women don't find the things you named sexually attractive. You can't expect women to choose men they aren't sexually attracted to.

[–]supershotmd 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Uh - obviously. I agree. Did I say something counter to that?

[–]LaloTwinsLaloPilled 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

stable, good income, responsible, no criminal record

Aren't as universal survivable traits as masculine, strong or fun.

[–]kennyfern 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they are full of crap, they aren't getting any anyway so they can make all the demands they like Because it ain't happening.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 19 points20 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of inherent contradictions within TRP.

The whole "Women should put out asap" mixed with "Women should stop sleeping with so many men" is perhaps the biggest.

[–]RocinanteCoffee 16 points17 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Do people realize that trying to discourage someone (women) from having multiple sexual partners means the amount of people (often men) getting laid will go down considerably if their wishes came to pass?

A lot of people here think 0 or 1 partner is a low enough n-count for their predilections, so that would drop most women's number of partners by 80% and be a lot fewer men having sex than do now. Which is fine if a woman decides that's what she wants for herself but it's counter-intuitive for the men in this sub who feel there aren't enough men having sex.

[–]techr0nin 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The only men discouraging it are men who can’t get casual sex in the first place, and/or men in the back of the line whose only option is to wait until a woman is ready to settle. So from their perspective if everyone had to wait and settle down after 0-1 partners, the numbers work in their favor.

The issue here is there is zero incentive for women and men who can get laid to behave that way given the way our society is currently structured. Hence why the next stage of that argument is some sort of nebulous but impending societal collapse if people don’t turn back the clock.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only men discouraging it are men who can’t get casual sex in the first place, and/or men in the back of the line whose only option is to wait until a woman is ready to settle

This is the 💯 facts. If they could join in they would love it, but since they can't they're hating from the sidelines.

[–]caption291 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The issue here is there is zero incentive for women and men who can get laid to behave that way given the way our society is currently structured.

Given the way our society is currently structured is doing so damn much heavy lifting in that sentence lol.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea but in their minds only Chads ever get casual sex, which is some true bollocks.

Basically they either want women to stop having casual sex entirely because it only benefits the top whatever % of men, or start having casual sex with all men/normies.

[–]lostwanderer28 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Do people realize that trying to discourage someone (women) from having multiple sexual partners means the amount of people (often men) getting laid will go down considerably if their wishes came to pass?

The amount of sex will actually increase. No casual sex leads to more stable relationships, more stable relationships leads to more sex.

[–]RocinanteCoffee 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not sure what you mean by 'stable'. But the amount of sex may or may not increase, but the amount of partners would be reduced. Basically 80% fewer men would be getting laid (in the US).

[–]hungrychick404 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of women I know who participate in hookup culture do so because they can’t get a guy to settle down

[–]lostwanderer28 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

OH!
Btw, I like your sunglassess :D

[–]techr0nin 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Except that’s not a redpill position. Redpill acknowledges that some men are more desirable than others and can elicit different sexual responses from women, and attempts to identify and replicate the differentiating factors.

If you see a talking point that involves telling women how they ought to act, chances are it’s not actually redpill, or any kind of pill. Taking the redpill requires that you first accept female nature as is, given that that is just how women are wired.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Granted, but this what I've seen a lot of Redpillers say and what they believe. I think it would be naive to suggest that Redpill communities don't dictate how they think women should act.

[–]techr0nin 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And I would say that those aren’t actually “redpillers” in the sense that they practice the redpill. Self-improvement is hard. Whining online is easy.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do agree that many in the redpill community aren't looking to actually improve their situations.

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You bring up some very good points here. Redpill should be an entirely "private" practice, based on the perceived behavior of women. It's how YOU choose to cope with how you believe women are.

The moment you say, "Women should......", or "Women shouldn't.....", or "Women shouldn't be allowed to......", then you've gone beyond TRP, and you deserve whatever blowback and insults you get.

[–]Altaccount011412HVMisogynist 😤 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Women should stop sleeping with so many men” is the ideal RP world, while the “women should put out for you asap” is the ideal RP personal world.

[–]Cisra_returned 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of inherent contradictions within TRP.

It is as if TRP were not only one person.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's a "framework", that's the word Redpillers like to use. You can still find contradictions in frameworks.

[–]Cisra_returned -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure, but rarely a man will subscribe to ALL schools found in TRP framework.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 19 points20 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

You will never get an answer. At most they'll say "It's different groups of men saying different things"

Yet, you can literally read the comments from men who complain about N count, saying that women should also put out before or by a 3rd date and not make men wait. The same exact man will also say that a woman wasn't "pumped and dumped" if a woman is dating specifically for the intention of a relationship and feels pressured into having sex with a man who knows this. Their advice is always to fuck men immediately irrespective of the situation, yet simultaneously keeping a low N count.

These people speak out of their mouths and assholes at the same time. Nothing they say makes sense because it's just incoherent psychotic babble.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 19 points20 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's a power fantasy. They want a woman who has been chaste and swatted away all those other men, yet becomes a complete sex kitten just for you.

Sorry guys, but it's just not going to happen.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 12 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep. And it doesn't matter whether or not they actually want those women romantically or long term themselves. They just want the immediately sexual availability of all women that they find sexually attractive, or women that they think should put out for them because they think they're beneath them.

There are SOOO many men who become enraged when women they deem unattractive won't fuck them. If you look at the "where have all of the good men gone" sub, it's just men complaining that fat women and single mothers won't let men who think that they're trash treat them like free use cum dumpsters.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

>There are SOOO many men who become enraged when women they deem unattractive won't fuck them. If you look at the "where have all of the good men gone" sub, it's just men complaining that fat women and single mothers won't let men who think that they're trash treat them like free use cum dumpsters.

They'll just use the typical "We don't hate these women...we just spend a lot of our free time thinking about them, mocking them and insulting them."

[–]mouldysock100 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, so many of these mediocre men think they are unicorns who can actually make women behave this way

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I get that power fantasies are attractive, there's a reason why stories like Twilight were so popular with women. But if you start assuming that those fantasies are what you should get in reality, then you're setting yourself up for disappointment.

[–]techr0nin 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Women also want a man that is a sexy/rich/strong badboy who can get any woman he wants, yet have eyes only for her. It is what it is.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most will realise that's a fantasy, or will quickly realise that it's a fantasy. Redpillers should do the same too. Let the rest suffer in delusion.

[–]HellsteelzNo Pill -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet there are droves of women above age 30 who still believe in this.

[–]Cisra_returned 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They want a woman who has been chaste and swatted away all those other men, yet becomes a complete sex kitten just for you.

Projection.

Women wanting men who actually have sexual options and lots of sex to make the exception with them and commit.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I even acknowledged that women have similar power fantasies in another comment. The difference is that they don't build a whole ideology based around that fantasy (apart from FDS which is just as contradictory).

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Omg i just told someone else that. We must be talking about the same guys.

“This dude will be like “girls aith high counts are nasty”. Then i look in his comment history, he’s telling guys to cut their losses if there is no sex by the 3rd date. Then in another comment, they are whinning about how girls are too picky and we have standards too high. Then he told another girl that she’s a single mom bc she opened her legs for everyone and it’s her fault for not picking better men.”

[–]gofigure62No Pill 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep, and the men from this sub will just claim "it never happens" because they've never seen it.

Meaning that men in this sub don't read the threads or comments that other men make. They simply ignore all of the male users apparently.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their expectations are simple: Women should be chaste but give it up immediately for me.

[–]Cisra_returned 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At most they'll say "It's different groups of men saying different things"

Ummm, is that wrong? Because you can find feminists that hate prostitution just as feminists that love it, feminists that are TERFs and feminists that aren't, etc.

Why would TRP be more consistent than any other social movement on issues of gender? That is asking too much.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Read the entire comment.

[–]MAGA-Latino 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I had sex with my wife on the first date and we ended up just staying together. No racking up N counts.

[–]hungrychick404 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If she got dumped by you, she would have had a higher body count “for another man”

[–]MAGA-Latino -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah but she didn't give me a reason to dump her.

[–]hungrychick404 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So women must have to learn how to please their man and be a human lie detector test that knows if a guy is dangling a relationship to use her for sex or if he’s actually genuine. She must be a perfect woman and please her man at all costs in case he dumps her and she will have to exist as a used woman. Sounds nice to me.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good for you, sounds great. I still don't think it's a common occurrence though.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You think that your very specific situation applies to most humans, especially in Western cultures?

[–]MAGA-Latino -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well it could be if she acts right like my wife did. Why would I leave a good girl to chase all the girls that are no good?

[–]gofigure62No Pill 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Your take isn't anywhere near reality. Your exception doesn't make the rule. Most people aren't marrying people that they fuck on the first date. Men in this very sub literally say that they do not respect or like women that fuck on the first date.

[–]Sea_Bother_2847 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because TRP is summed up to just having a strong hatred of women so therefore anything we do is wrong in their eyes no matter how contradictory it is

Have casual sex? Women are used up and ran through whores with no value

Don’t have casual sex? Women are picky and don’t see 80% of men as human being enough to give us the birthright of their pussies

So I’ve just given up on trying to listen to these people and have started doing whatever I want (which generally, isn’t sleeping with them)

It’s damned if we do damned if we don’t anyway 🤷‍♀️

[–]pro-castinator9 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The thing is young women do tend to choose the more attractive guys to date or to hook up with cause they dont wanna settle for someone a bit less attractive. Which gives these attractive men some fake power in their heads that allows them to think they are grand and then they go around a series of sleeping and dumping. The women keep choosing this kind of men because they have a way of talking or confidence. The less attractive men get insecure and envy the other men and blame women for not choosing them. Some time later the women now want to settle for less while complaining that all men are the same and the less attractive men wouldn't spare the chance while being insecure about the body count of the women. Now the women have become pretty insecure about their choice themselves and this is where they get picky and the less attractive men dont have a clue why and blame their "less attractive-ness". And after a series of other events we all wound up here

[–]Puppetmaskerr 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why do you believe they are the same pool of men

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

By looking in the comment history

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Something about all women waiting in line to fuck a bunch of Chads on a merry go round while unlucky dudes all get rich and then buy the ladies nice things when they are done -pretty much a lot of the answers you are about to get.

[–]throwaway164_3 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Aka alpha fucks and beta bucks, cads vs dads, hot sexy Alejandro vs stable and safe Albert, etc

[–]gopher_glitz 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

"Look, when I was most attractive I would fuck lots of guys and some of them I didn't even know there name but now that I've gained 25lbs and am older and 'don't do that' anymore and I'm looking for a man to do everything for me and pay for everything he's just going to have to wait 3 months for low effort lackluster starfish bullshit"

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You can say the same for men. But men will be like “oh i used to be an idiot but i matured”.

Only men are allowed to mature/change?Women can’t?

[–]gopher_glitz 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Men aren't looking for 'maturity' the same way women are.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men are actualy looking for immaturity and inexperience. They want a woman to be agreeable. Younger women are more likely to follow your lead.

But it means women are punished for changing and men aren’t?

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Men are actualy looking for immaturity and inexperience. They want a woman to be agreeable. Younger women are more likely to follow your lead.

But it means women are punished for changing and men aren’t?

[–]cowfishAreReal 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Rules for thee but not for me, they want women to fuck them and only them

[–]Sad_Top1743Misogyny is not a joke Jim 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they’re fucking others then it becomes an expectation (otherwise something is wrong with us)

If nobody is fucking it doesn’t really matter

[–]Ambassadior 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP is just the objective truth about women's tendencies. How different men approach the reality or what they think women should do is only a subjective opinion.

It's really that simple, I don't know what women here want. Obviously different men want different things.

[–]Choice_Ad_6230 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're stating such a skewed view on the points brought up. Try again.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947Willing to tell you its your face not your personality. 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unskew it

[–]Choice_Ad_6230 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

we have tussled before lol. later when I have the energy

[–]Monchi_21 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I rather die alone then be with someone sub par.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree

[–]freespirit1963TJ 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do most of the people on here obtain their views through their circle of friends? I see a great deal of discussion about people having either no casual sex or bagging huge numbers in casual sex. Are we operating under when guys claim to have had sex? Sounds like a fishing story to me, you should have seen the one who got away! I saw where someone mentioned a guy basically talking out of both sides of his mouth. He was, so how credible and how seriously can people view his opinion. It becomes, I want this to be the reality by claiming it is the reality. 🙄

[–]TheSongsInYourHead 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So like here's the thing. I don't mind waiting for an extended amount of time for sex with the right woman. But I've never dated a woman who actually liked me that wanted to wait more than a date or two for sex. Generally if it's longer than that it's never gonna happen, at least in my experience.

[–]Plopolok 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

  1. Women are picky on some specific criteria that only fuckboys will pass, like a picky eater who eats only peanut butter and jam sandwiches. Then a lot of men can't find any girl to be with them unless they turn themselves into peanut and jam sandwiches, and inevitably we hear about it on PPD, how could we not?

  2. Virginity has generally been found attractive by most men in most cultures. After the birth control pill and the sexual revolution, things have been changing a lot for some decades, and today the culture would like to say that it doesn't matter, but men are actually still attracted to virginity. It's not entirely rational, it never was. You can't make men not want it by saying they shouldn't.

  3. In today's dating environment, waiting for months/years is exceedingly rare. Many men are indeed not willing to do it because they believe they can get a better offer somewhere else, and more importantly, almost all men would be wary of it because there's a high risk of becoming a friendzoned orbiter while she has sex with others.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947Willing to tell you its your face not your personality. 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If virginity is valuable waiting should be expected.

[–]Plopolok 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever "should" be doesn't matter. It's a free for all market, of course everyone tries to have their cake and eat it.

[–]This-Adhesiveness-52 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The sexual marketplace makes it easy for women to be picky because the male demand for sex is so high women can get whatever they like and can get away with it. There will alway’s be enough attractive men that are willing to sleep with below average looking women or date them. There is no insentive for women to better themselves. They don’t have to change in order for the opposite sex to fuck em.

There is no reason why women in general would lower there standards. This is no opposite reallity where women lust after sex so much they are willing to sleep with any guy just to get some dick. This is the most basic thing a lot of women can’t understand.

The demand for sex is so high to a degree that it don’t make a difference who you are as a women. Even a drug and diseased infested homeless girl living on the streets smelling like shit and piss can still make enough money hooking to get her fix every day so even if you hit rock bottom there still be enough men willing to pay to fuck you.

Below average looking men have it difficult to compete. It is very frustrating for them to see all the good looking guy’s getting all the girls without any effort. The chance of a fat ugly guy getting some pussy or a relationship without paying for it is zero. The only choice they have are hookers or mail order brides.

You can’t blame ugly men for being frustrated. They been without sex for years. They have to travel to thailand or other sex destinations to have some sexual adventure. Women just don’t realise how good they have it. Men envy women. Life is a 1000 times better for women. Men are jealous and vent about it, they can’t stand how easy and good women have it compared to them so they complain because they not having enough sex and can’t get a wife in their country.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How many times have you or your friends veen raped?

“Oooo life is sooo easy as a woman, you can have sex. Ignore the 1:5 women who have been raped/SA”

[–]trolltaskforce 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They’re smashing the same men.

[–]pan3639 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What does not willing to wait have to do with those complaints?

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you aren’t wilking to wait, then you probably aren’t going to get a low count woman. Also your higher counts contributed to women having higher counts. To discriminate a woman dur to something you cause is weird

[–]pan3639 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you aren’t wilking to wait, then you probably aren’t going to get a low count woman.

Elaborate.

Also your higher counts contributed to women having higher counts. To discriminate a woman dur to something you cause is weird

I don't care as long as I get what I want.

[–]caption291 4 points5 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

How can someone believe that breathing is important for survival and also believe that you shouldn't breathe under water? Like do they just not see the obvious contradiction???

Men don't want to wait for a girl that doesn't make other men wait but have no issue waiting for a girl that would make any man wait. And to be a little more precise I would add that the amount of time a man is willing to wait is going to vary based on both his values and who the girl is.

Did you forget that women have agency? Men don't make women be the way that they are, so men can simultaneously do what they think is best in regards to the current decisions that women are making while also wanting women to be making different decisions.

[–]14ers4days 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Men never want to wait, they constantly pressure and pester from date #1.

[–]Plopolok 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

They have to push for it from date 1, otherwise women will break off (saying there was no chemistry). But "pressure and pester"... maybe you're not meeting the right men.

[–]14ers4days 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That's not how it works. Men try to get women into bed right from the start. If they're going to be so judgemental of how soon women put out then they shouldn't do that. It's hypocritical.

[–]Plopolok 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes that's how it works, and men don't care about what sluts think they should do, just like women don't care about what incels think they should do.

[–]Few_Ratio5835 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

this is usually about a slutty women making you wait a month. so its not the same. If a slutty woman can make you wait she's not really into you

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How do you know if they are slutty or not?

[–]Few_Ratio5835 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

people tell you or she tells you. often times they lie about it too

[–]rivetcitymayor 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I don’t care about the n count conversation but you can low n count and have high sex drive. It just means they like to have sex within a relationship

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Problem is that if you don't find that perfect match pretty quickly, then you'll quickly no longer have a low n count. Plus there's plenty of men who will feign a relationship to get laid, then immediately dump.

[–]MAGA-Latino -4 points-3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think guys would pump and dump like that. She probably gave him a good reason to ghost.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"it's always the woman's fault"

[–]hungrychick404 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men can do no wrong. They are just making sure the sluts can’t have happy lives /s

[–]MAGA-Latino -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually she is the one with the options. Young guys can only do the best with what they got.

[–]Motherofvampires 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You've not slept with many men have you

[–]MAGA-Latino 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No but I haven't dumped many women without a good reason.

[–]darkvalleys 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s easy if you assume “everything should be for me”

[–]renfsuthe best women aren't american 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I know a girl who likes me for me. She doesn't care that I'm under 6 feet tall. She's okay with the fact that I'm skinny without abs. She's my age and has had sex with less than 5 other guys. She waited less than a month before having sex with me. We have sex at least twice a week. This is a girl who never had a ons. She's not the world's hottest girl but she's very attractive. I met her when "non promiscuous attractive girl" was someone I thought was near impossible to find in the US (yet she was raised in a different country). Of all the women I've ever talked to, I can only think of two others who would fit that description.

This is the girl we want. We don't want promiscuous women who scream about "slut shaming" then get angry at men who don't find her attractive after sleeping with 60 other guys. We want a woman that accepts us for us and doesn't get disappointed when I say I'm 5'10 and not 6', or ghost when I either respond too soon and appear needy or too late and appear disinterested.

We basically want mature woman who don't spread their legs for every guy. Idk why that's an alien concept here. Most guys are willing to wait for sex if the guys before him did as well. What guys don't want is a girl who did one night stands who makes him specifically wait.

It's possible to be a low n count woman and not make men wait months for sex. Idk where you got that from.

[–]Altaccount011412HVMisogynist 😤 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly a lot of us men who want a women you’re describing, will probably have to go abroad. “Passport bros” is the name.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Waiting a month isn’t waiting in my book. I have low count. I never slept with a guy before the 1 year mark and we were considering marriage.

[–]renfsuthe best women aren't american 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Waiting a year for each guy is not the norm

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps it should, then you would have more low count women lol

[–]tired_hillbillyredneck 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women are too picky about aesthetics, not too picky in general. If anything, they're not picky enough about moral character.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Guys here don’t like women.

That’s it that’s the answer. They have to be hypocritical about it or else they’d have to do something crazy, like change their attitudes.

[–]Sure-Vermicelli4369 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not that guys don't want to wait in itself, it's that guys don't want to wait for what has been readily given to others.

[–]Hefty-Wolverine3675 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

When I was younger I never thought about a girls body count, but sadly science shows women with high mileage are more likely to divorce. The only thing men have in this world is their money and balls and high n count women ruin both

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is this Correlation or causation though.

[–]waiting2bedead 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

A friend with benefits gets to have sex with you basically immediately. No dates or anything. Just get to either person's place and have sex. once that situationship ends now she wants a actual relationship and you have to wait 30, 60, 90 days for sex and take her on countless dates while impressing her.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That’s a hook up. Not a fwb.

[–]waiting2bedead 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Hook up is basically 1 time. If it's more than 1 and you know this person like a coworker that's a fwb. They get to have sex with you constantly while not having any relationship responsibilities

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Fwb comes with strings. If we were FWB, i would expect actual friendship as well. Maybe not romantic dates but we’d be doing things together. If i needed help, i would still be calling upon you. Basically a relationship but cheaper (since you are splitting), and no concrete length of time for the sexual interactions.

Getting together just to have sex are bootycalls if repeated. If once, hook up.

[–]waiting2bedead 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ok. My point is for some women who have these fwbs it still isn't as much money spent, time consuming or energy spent to engage in sex. When that women does start a relationship that dude has to do more than the fwb if not wait longer to have sex . Not to mention if that fwb is actually a friend or current coworker that could be wierd for the guy in this case. He is doing more when others before him had to do less. Obviously he doesn't have to accept .

[–]Frosty_Plantain2951 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

You’re mixing all men and trad cucks, incels, and red pill at the same time.

Obviously incels and chad aren’t the same. Why are you mixing completely different dating goals?

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Idk, when they all yell, it’s an echo chamber here… but i see the same person making same claims

This dude will be like “girls aith high counts are nasty”. Then i look in his comment history, he’s telling guys to cut their losses if there is no sex by the 3rd date. Then in another comment, they are whinning about how girls are too picky and we have standards too high. Then he told another girl that she’s a single mom bc she opened her legs for everyone and it’s her fault for not picking better men.

[–]Frosty_Plantain2951 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

So it’s about one specific person.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not just one. There is a reason many of us has this impression of guys

[–]domdomdom333Long night's rest pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, "no standards for you but high for everyone else" is the nail on the head. This is how those guys see it:

From their perspective, guys are usually put through a rigorous drill to see if they can't handle what not and see how good they are, given the bare minimum while being strung along like some sadistic exploitation yet whilst he's nothing to her, other 6'4 muscle mountain "chads" get to skip all that and to straight for the prize without having to sacrifice anything.

All men who view life like this want to be THAT CHAD. So if a girl wants to sleep with you on the first date but drags along anyone else who even looks her way... congratulations, you've made it. You're the Chad.

But if she keeps stringing you along while previously allowed other "chads" to fully enjoy her just confirms that you're not the best she's seen. You're not the best, you're not a 6"4 12 pack Chad.

[–]NITAREEDDESIGNS 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

you just want a bunch of girls who have no standards for you

They have standards that preclude the vast majority of men...

Conversely, men are not "allowed" to have "standards" that are important to them.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You can have whatever standards you want. But ffs, stop whinning about not finding that one virgin who is a sex kitten just for you.

[–]Embarrassed-Tune9038 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Be me in college. Have a habit of grabbing my discman at 8pm and stepping out my dorm, walk across campus to University Avenue and then down for a few miles, come back. Probably gone for 2 hours later.

Thinking, reflecting on the day, enjoying Mutter by Rammstein or some other Album, philosophizing. Just unwinding for the day.

Countless women in college I dated were convinced that for those 2-3 hours I was gone, I was banging some chick. Even had a few follow me.

They looked at me through their frame of feminine insecurity.

[–]NotanothrshitthrowNo Pill 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or it's because you're in college where hookups are common...

[–]Embarrassed-Tune9038 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

Now that I think about it, I wish I did but damn if I don't like having the moral high ground.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

“Countless women i dated”… so you didn’t know how to commit? If you had countless women that you dated (unless you didn’t sleep with them), you were indeed going around banging chicks

[–]Embarrassed-Tune9038 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kind of hard to commit when you get yelled at for taking a walk.

[–]NorthernTaste 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they want their cake and to eat it too

[–]howdoiw0rkthisthing -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They answer you’ll get is that they don’t care that she made them wait, they care that she didn’t make Chad wait. But that’s just a rationalization half the time because “I Got mine” doesn’t sound as righteous.

[–]Embarrassed-Tune9038 -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Her: OH MY GOD HE IS AMAZING!

6 months later

Her: He is amazing but--- Or He is so great in bed but--- Or He'd be a great father but---

Precedes to rack up 100 men by Age 30 and will die alone choking on cat hair, smelling of cat piss and surrounded by empty boxed wine.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

You talk about dying alone as if it is the worst thing ever. I’d die alone with cats over soending my entire life with a crap or abusive partner … and then he will still die before me and guess what, i’ll still die alone. 😂😂

Most women die alone just based on the fact we live longer. That’s YOUR worst fear. Don’t project that silliness on us. 😂😂😂😂😂😂

[–]Embarrassed-Tune9038 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

How is He is amazing but--- Or He is so great in bed but--- Or He'd be a great father but-- codeword for crap or abusive partner?

Why do you guys always assume when we criticize your ladies' selection criteria we are telling you to stay with abusive partners?

He blows my mind every night with orgasms but he isn't always emotionally available therefore he is the worst!!!!

Man, I chose to die alone 20 years ago rather than deal with toxic ass byzantine selection criteria.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Deal breakers exist.

All my ex (2) are good people. But they aren’t for me. You have something against that?

My first ex was a good guy but poor temper. He gets mad too easily. He also demonstrated to me he’s not reliable as a life partner or likely as a father. Was too immature and i didn’t wait around hoping he would mature. Not to mention he had to go to a diff state for his job.

Second ex, also a nice guy but he didn’t speak my love language. He almost never said “i love you”, or do anything romantic. But lastly, he was kinda lazy. Also has no signs of willing to change

So yeah, great guys BUT….

[–]Embarrassed-Tune9038 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Because you are picky. You have to have perfect.

[–]alphasupremacy5555 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

SMH. It's simple tons of men especially any self-respecting man worth his salt once let's for immediate sex only and if not virgins then low body count women for serious relationships and marriage. Women are picky because they only want the Chads, Tyrones, Pookies and Ray-Rays. And there's not a whole bunch of those guys everywhere all over the place. Most men aren't those high value Alpha studs that women fantasize about. When it comes to sex women are extremely hyperselective they will talk themselves out of sleeping with a guy for one reason or another unless he's one of the men that I just mentioned. Women who only ever sleep around with and be sluts with those kind of men maybe even a chadlite if she's barely attractive. Yeah a man should cut his losses if there's no sex by really the second date because it's almost guaranteed she's just going to be wasting his time. From reading what you talking about it sounds like me you're bitching and complaining about.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

I’m pointing out the irony of your demands.

“Oh no sex by second date? Move on” if she’s sleeping with you on the second date, she’s probably got some higher counts.

What am i complaining about? Bc this doesn’t affect me. I’m a married woman. My husband dated 2 women and slept with 2 women only. He had no issues waiting a year before we had sex. He also doesn’t cry about being single before me or his last ex. He enjoys his life when he’s single and enjoys it when he has a good partner. His life doesn’t revolve around persuing sex - which is hella attractive

[–]alphasupremacy5555 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

I'm not making demands. I would never demand sex on a woman. I would ask her. If she says no that's okay but after that I don't have any interest in her anymore. Now if she wants to keep getting taken out and to be dated seriously then sex is really the only incentive for him to do that. I would never call a girl a hoe if she gives it up on the 1st and 2nd night, that's not necessarily true but a lot of guys will say she's a 304 she does that but then they'll get frustrated when she refuses to give it up. Just bc she gave it up immediately doesn't guarantee that she's a hoe. She might be she might not be. It all depends on the man and what he's looking for. If he's just looking for a fun time or if he seriously looking for a wife.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

If she sleeps with you on the first date - how do you know she’s not doing that with others? How do you know she doesn’t have a count of 50+? Or whatever

[–]alphasupremacy5555 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Her giving it up on the 1st or 2nd date is not an indication that she's a slut and her not giving it up on the first the second date is not an indication that she isn't. A girl can refuse to give it up with a guy on the 1st and 2nd date but be giving it up to other guys on the 1st and 2nd date and it doesn't even take for her not to give it up on a date to be having casual sex with a lot of other guys. Women don't need to go out on dates to have sex like most men do.

[–]sh3t0r 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We only want a shy wallflower that looks like a model, has never had sex before but is ready to please all our weird sexual fetishes. Are we asking too much?

[–]briiiana1122No Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They want the virgin turned whore just for me who somehow is attracted to only them even though they objectively agree they aren’t remotely comparable to (insert whatever male celebrity) women apparently have made our standard.

Men here are more into 50 Shades of Grey plot lines than any woman I’ve come across.

[–]Life_Level_6280 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think its a generalization that most guys here want a woman with low body count / virgin. I love a woman with experience for example.

The guys that do have that attitude (some red pillers), they definitely are being very self-centered. They create the environment they loath.

[–]hypothememe 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes.

Its the classic fantasy of the whore/madonna(virgin)

Men want a woman who was very picky but falls only for him (huge ego boost and is more clean/good for heredity concerns evolutionarily speaking) So the fact that it boosts ego and is practical is why its the main fantasy.

That being said most men are realistic and will settle for a woman who is either

A) a madonna/virgin or close to it (low amount of ex partners) and if she is, then men are much more willing to wait since she made others wait and has a low count or is a virgin

Or

B) is a whore (pardon the language but its a common phrase of the phenomenon) and has lots of ex’s and high count, but she DIDN’T make him wait either. For example, if a woman sleeps with a normal man on the 2nd date without too much hassle , falls in love with him and after a few weeks says “you know I had a lot of partners in the past but none like you, I really like you and want a relationship” and she’s not crazy or a handful, most guys would consider a relationship with her and wouldn’t be too put off (especially in modern times)

So fantasy > whore for you, virgin before

Realistically acceptable> virgin who makes you wait long, or a whore who doesn’t make you wait long but now wants to only be with you

Not acceptable > whore who didn’t make others wait but now wants you to wait, or wants to be treated like a virgin

Does that make sense?

Now I kinda sympathize with women saying “i wanna stop sleeping so quickly with guys and change my ways, and I like this guy so I want him to wait for multiple reasons” and actually I think they have a point sometimes and a lot of those reasons kinda make sense. BUT you have to understand a mans biggest fear is being a simp or used and being a sucker (and tho there are legitimate reasons from those women i partially agree with, sometimes its really just an excuse to trick him or look better than she is, depends on the girl and situation)..

so you have to see how it comes across.

My practical advice for women who were promiscuous but want a new guy to wait for legitimate reasons (and not just tricking him) is simple.. explain to him why you want him to wait while also making it FUN! Tease him, make out , do small stuff over the clothes with passion etc.. make him know he’s super wanted and like you can barely hold back but that you must, and it could actually be super sexy and building up tension. Obviously not for too long but if its a few weeks or a month or 2 but every time I see her she can’t keep her hands off me then Ill wait no problem.

But if you’re just cold and clinical about it , and its like an employee probation period to see if he qualifies for something the other guys hit on first dates?? then fuck that Im out. for so many reasons (mainly; 1- too much work and 2- hows the rest of our relationship gonna be? Just a series of tests and projects for me to hurdle over? Fuck that. Vs. If she can barely resist me too but is trying to wait, its like we’re in the tension together and are waiting together with a sexual build up)

[–]Toxic_king2 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think guys just want the low count/virgin girl lol

If you travel redpill logic a low count women is of the highest value thus being the most eligible to be wed/waited for. Since she is so selective her "product" is set at a very high price so logically it makes since if you have that mindset.

The higher count girl is deemed as having lower value so the idea of waiting for a lower value "product" seems like a waste of time. (if everyone had sex with her within 1 week, why the hell would i wait longer then 1 week)

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are the men on TRP wanting to wait for marriage to have sex though? No? Ok it makes no sense then. I have low count, my husband waited almost an entire year and after i had a ring before we had sex.

[–]Toxic_king2 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i would say TRP teaches guys to date around to learn how to deal with different types of women so i'd agree and say no. But i would also say that TRP teaches that a man of higher value is expected to be someone lots of women would have wanted to/had sex with so it would be expected. So you'd kind of already know what you're getting into if you want that kind of guy.

But not including red pillers i still think most men would lean to low counts vs not caring or high counts.

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Also im happy you have the ring! lol

[–]lliiliiliiillililil 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

easy, Im willing to wait if she has one or zero bodies, assuming no casual or slutty behavior. Also Im not paying for dates if she is works so there is no risk other than time. This is how it should be anyway, no payment, not being forced to put out because of undesirable past not forcing me to. women with no experience or low arent that picky. statistically, women get more selective the more experience they have, because they desensitize, rack up baggage and trauma, make more money, etc. Also women can be too picky and still have huge numbers, because ability to fuck doesnt determine their value. they can also be to selective in terms of the wrong attributes and simultaneously be to easy in terms of others.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Women get more picky bc they learn from experience. But don’t be her bad experience then.

[–]lliiliiliiillililil 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

no absolutely not. Women are not filtering for attributes that make good long term mates, they look exclusively for fun, benefits, sex and lifestyle, and often that includes attributes that are directly related to causing emotional damage on purpose , because what is the most emotionally engaging is also the most potentially emotionally damaging.

Women are the least picky with looks, money and status when they are virgins ,and the most picky when it comes to trustworthyness. as women get more and more exposure to men and get a taste of manipulative power, they get greedy, go after more and more emotionally engaging, sexually stimulating situations, and loose concern for trustworthyness as they get used to manipulating men.

after all these self inflicted traumas as a result of greed and hedonism, they are left with needing an unnaturally high stimulus to be emotionally and sexually attracted, and that is proven by the fact that these picky women with experiences are selective in term of looks, money status, but have no concern for a mans ability to be a man outside of sexual stimulus and money because they are looking for a sucker to fix their broken life, and arent looking to play their role.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] [score hidden]  (8 children) | Copy Link

Not greedy, we learn from experience what are red flags and cut them out faster. Not manipulation. It’s learning to filter out crap men.

Idk where you are getting the rest of your nonsense from.

Virgins are naive. Imagine a kid with no life experience. How would you even know what to filter out? How do you know what are red flags? I’m watching some of my friends date idiots. Hell, women used to like the notebook and that’s toxic af.

[–]lliiliiliiillililil [score hidden]  (7 children) | Copy Link

then why do experienced women filter more for looks, exitement, money, lifestyle and ho popular the dude is rather than red flags of the behavior that caused their trauma?

because they were not looking for making a life, they were looking for fun and benefits, they do not look for red flags because they are not trying to avoid the situation they had, and rather try to repeat it but get hurt because they are emotionally fragile, especially in situaltion where intense feelings are involved like they purposefully seek out like a drug.

women do not "learn". they are perfectly fit for their role when they reach adulthood, without any sexual contact with a man. there is no learning, because any interaction that terminates is ireversible damage. a product that is perfectly fresh gets tarnished with use. learning implies an improvement. Instead, the choices in men get progressively WORSE after each engagement, not better. the woman keeps looking for red flags on purpose to seek out, and then complains just to receive attention for pretending to be a victim, but is actively looking for the same red flags she is "trying to avoid", , until the quality in men nosedives when she is to damaged from the process

[–]DRliveseyyy -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yep, these are the unrealistic standards for some men on this sub, and it is also exactly the reason they never fuck

[–]poppy_blu 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not the only reason…

[–]DRliveseyyy 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One of the big reasons, the other being: not attractive, no hobbies, isn’t willing to lower standards

[–]MAGA-Latino -3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Because they are all having sex with the same dudes.

Men don't want to wait because they didn't make Chad wait. Also because many women are just dinner where's out to waste a man's money without giving him any.

I think women were noble people that didn't do that and were just looking for the right guy to settle down with, guys wouldn't have such a problem waiting. If you were to wait Today she'll probably be screwing someone else while you're the idiot paying for dinners.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So this all boils down to their own insecurity and anger and bitterness that they aren’t a chad? Gotcha

[–]ZtstraNo Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is mostly a insecurity thing to be honest. Im refering to women who were the local bike not regular girls. Non TRP men (most men ,like myself) dont mind waiting at all. I could go for months no problem.

When its a girl with many guys under her belt.... you are convinced that she doesnt want you. When you hear that she looked at many men and it was enough to make her aroused and wanting and then you see lil old you always being there and still not being enough.... it makes you very insecure. You think youll never be enough for her and that she will leave and break you.

Note im not saying that high n women are simply using you for money, attention and security while giving it away to everyone and their mama. I really do think that she is making you want to see whether you are serious. But regardless, those insecurities are everpresent, cant lie to you about that. Im not saying they are fair or justified , but they are definitey there. To help you understand our side.

[–]MAGA-Latino 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah pretty much. Also to not be the beta bucks afterwards. Either we be the alpha or nothing. Trust me there are a few girl's that are mad I didn't save them in the end like they thought I would.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol what are you talking about? Saving them? Oh my

[–]Sea_Bother_2847 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Tough shit. High value men are awarded treatment from women that average and low value men aren’t given just like High value women are awarded treatment from men that average and low value women aren’t given. Life isn’t fair, get over it.

[–]MAGA-Latino 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It was my answer to the question. If that's your attitude then why ask in the first place?

[–]hari_hbpBlue Pill Man 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you were to wait Today she'll probably be screwing someone else while you're the idiot paying for dinners.

"If she ain't banging you, she's banging someone else". That's funny af and hey, what the hell can a guy do - it is what it is.

[–]14ers4days 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women are allowed to date more than one person and not be having sex with all of them. You have to be compatible in order for a relationship, of any kind, to move forward. Women are not commodities for you to get, they are people.

[–]MAGA-Latino 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well of course women can do whatever they want as long as it isn't breaking any laws. The question asked here is how to men feel about it and their response to their actions. Women can do whatever they want and men can consider them sluts and not give them the same respect as non sluts.

[–]14ers4days -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It doesn't matter how men feel about it. Unless they're the ones out there creating sluts. Then they are hypocrites.

[–]MAGA-Latino 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then OP shouldn't be asking. I'm only responding to a direct question.

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[–]poppy_blu -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are neither rational nor smart

[–]JDWhiz96Suburbs 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Speaking for myself, I believe in 1 & 2 but not 3: I'm very much so willing to wait for sex until marriage.

[–]KayRay1994 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

listen i need to blame someone else for me being lonely and bitter somehow

[–]BulletReaper 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can absolutely be picky and have a high n Count.

I know plenty of girls who have a very specific “type” they will date and they refuse to date anyone else. These men are generally attractive and successful and usually not interested in a relationship. So they just end up fucking these girls and moving on.

Why is it these type of men are less likely to want relationships? Pretty easy. Most men have zero power in the sexual market place when they start dating unless they were already born with high quality features (I.e. strong jawline, tall, full head of hair/ no signs of balding, etc). Most men spend most of their young lives getting rejected and mistreated by women young women. The only way an average man can improve his dating game is to work on himself. Hit the gym, work hard, be successful, have a nice job.

As men once we reach this point most of us have completely gotten sick of rejection and female behavior. It becomes much easier to simply hook up and be a fuck boy. Why? Cause we never got to be valued like women when we were younger. We didn’t have a line of people wanting to date us or give us attention. Or get to have multiple sexual partners.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought a chat with someone who had options for a woman, not the ones who have been rejected for their entire life, and finally they have one or two people interested. Because very few people go from super rejects, to the top 1%.

Also, if you’re someone who turns into a horrible person because of certain circumstances in their life due to other woman, and now you’re treating unrelated women like trash, you are never a good person.

My husband was not a looker, but he has a great personality, and he just does treat random people like trash just because he had a rough upbringing, or prior history. That’s why he’s a good person,. You realize, if you’re nice just to get something, you were never nice.

[–]hari_hbpBlue Pill Man 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All that ("too picky", high n-count and "making you wait") can be easily found in one woman. With her standards and her options, a woman can afford to be picky and that's their freedom of choice - however, this need only to be applied to relationships. She has her pick of the litter in casual sex so...(a count of 5 is like a week's work for a woman). Finally, she can just make some guys wait while not others - men probably don't want to be the guy she wants to wait with.

Finally, women have the advantage in dating so it's high time men got comfortable with the idea of being alone (in a sex/relationship perspective).

[–]Ok_Blackberry41591 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

It's really not that complicated. Women have extremely low standards for attractive men and extremely high standards for unattractive (average) men. No one is complaining, its simply reality. Noone is attacking that reality its just healthy to accept it.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947Willing to tell you its your face not your personality. 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No ones complaining?!!!

[–]begrydgerer 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The guy u're describing reminds me of Mitchel snd Webb's sketch about the librarian https://youtu.be/rqTE-ig7NhY

[–]LadyofTheGreyPathAngel Mind On Demon Time 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m confused. Do you just want a bunch of girls who have no standards for you but high standards for everyone else? A virgin who doesn’t want sex with anyone else or a low count woman who has no libido before you, but once she meets you, she transforms into a high libido sexual fiend - after thr first or second date?

Not men as a whole, but definitely a portion of the men here think this is how things work when they don't.

But......I think I saw this in anime plot once though so that might explain a few things.

[–]JumboJetz 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t care about high N counts. I do agree women are too picky on at least 1 metric: I feel like if a man is boring they don’t give him much chance - most boring people become interesting after given a chance for more than a single meet.

Not talking about a guy that drones on about something dull. More like a “normal” guy who works 9 to 5, weeknights typically stays in and watches tv shows or browses Reddit or something. Maybe on the weekend he goes out once to some outing or something. I feel like this guy is abhorrent to a lot of women on PPD even though their own life might be similar.

[–]God_Hand_9764Purpled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I honestly am not bothered much by high n count.

I'm also not bothered by "waiting" a few weeks or even months, if it seems worth pursuing.

What I would be bothered by though is waiting, while knowing it's likely she's getting plowed by some other dude(s) in the meantime.

I know that most women spin plates and if not committed will be fucking multiple dudes. That is what it is. I'm just not going to be some schlep dating a woman while someone else is banging her.

[–]_neurogenius 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reading through the comments on here really makes me so glad to be a virgin. Don’t need men, don’t want one either. The hypocrisy of men causes me to love virgin life.

[–]fizeekfriday 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you just want a bunch of girls who have no standards for you but high standards for everyone else?

*While I personally don't care when the sex happens, I've been in relationships that lasted for years without actual sex. But I will say as I've gotten older, if I'm going to be in a relationship, I expect intimacy of the emotional and sexual kind. And as far as body counts go, I'm not going to really care or ask. But if I'm at a bar or a social event and people keep coming up to me telling me you were known at your college as the girl that fucked every major sports team, we're going to have a problem. *

I think this is the closest one tbh. Women's standards depend on the attractiveness of the man. If a guy has ever had a hoe phase he's seen this in action. There's even that chart that basically shows how much a guy under 6'2 has to make to get the same attention from women as measured by inches under 6 ft, with the amount in money next to the height. 5'11 was something like 22k to get the same attention as a 6'2 man. This is a literal study. Women change their standards.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, apparently race mattered too. So what?

[–]ConvolutedMaze 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because it would be annoying having to wait years depressed and developing self-image issues meanwhile my future wife was fucking chads and having fun for her entire twenties. I don't really want to he with someone who has a mismatched body count to my own. In my case I'm 28 with a body count of 2.

[–]InfamousBake1859[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So it stems from jealousy?

[–]ConvolutedMaze 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe but it seems like this is a common occurrence now I'm just wondering why it has to be that way?

[–]OwOFemboyUwU 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most men would be willing to wait for a woman they genuinely want to date that has consistent standards in waiting. What men are averse to is a woman who has had casual sex/ONS/slept with others on the first date, yet wouldn’t do so with them.

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