This is something I've never really understood from The Red Pill. I know what holding frame is - it means living your life how you want to live it and allowing a woman to become a part of that life. Not you becoming a part of a woman's life (eg. moving into her house and bringing up the kids of another man - that would be giving in to her frame and her demands).

However, surely it's not possible to hold frame with a woman if she doesn't actually like you in a sexual/romantic way or doesn't see any incentive to spending time with you? You can hold frame all you want if you're ugly, short and low status, but it's highly unlikely a woman will want to enter your life and thus enter your "frame". But take a tall handsome muscular movie star (eg. Chris Hemsworth) and every woman will be dying to enter his frame.

So the way I see it, if you're good looking, high status or obvious signs of high wealth, women will want to enter your life. If not, you can hold frame as much as you want, it won't make a difference - which means you have to give in to their frame or be without female company. This is contradictory to what The Red Pill says, where they believe that if you just have rock solid frame, you can easily be banging 9's and 10's.

What do you reckon?