I’m not sure if it’s even really a TRP talking point or if it’s BP (pretty sure it comes from the latter,) but this idea that women are only fucking or settling for “Chad” is just nonsense. Women are absolutely hypergamous and insanely picky, but I very rarely see well matched couples. Most of the time there is an enormous disparity in terms of attractiveness between the two people.
Women do not care about looks anywhere near as much as men, in fact I would say it factors very low on their laundry list of requirements. They will notice and even become aroused by an attractive man, but all that does is get him the interview. It takes absolutely nothing at all for that interest to go out the window when one of the other boxes isn’t checked.
I see FAR more attractive women with average and even ugly men. Some of them are tall or well built, I would say height factors more than facial appearance. However, this also quickly becomes irrelevant when a man makes a minor misstep.
That is the true irony of the dating game, despite how ridiculously picky women are they somehow still end up with sub par men who often/usually mistreat them. Eventually this will red pill the entire male population, so maybe it’s a necessary evil.
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You contradict yourself in your very post, OP. You said that looks only get you the "interview" with a woman. But this implies that if you don't have looks you don't get the interview. So how can you say that women don't prioritize looks when you, by your own admission, stated that looks are the first thing women select for in a man?
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You fail to see the corelation between physical attractiveness and confidence/social dominance. Tell me, who are those men who exude confidence, social dominance and swagger? I'll tell you who. It's the tall, built, physically imposing men, which incidentally are also the traits women find physically attractive in a man. You can't act confident, dominant and full of swag in a group with other men if you're not also the strongest and most imposing guy in the group. If you do that, then you're seen as a fake poser who risks getting his ass humiliated by the guy next to you who's a head taller and has 30 lbs of muscle over you.
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Power is the only source of confidence in a social situation in a man. How much power you have determines your rank in the pecking order of a group.
In a professional setting, if you're the boss of a group or, more specifically, you're the most competent and qualified person in that group, your word has the most value and you have the most power and command the most respect.
In a dating setting, if you want to be seen as the most competent and most qualified sex partner for a woman, you need to be the most physically attractive man in the room. Now you might say that based on her individual tastes, that means either the most beautiful (effeminate/twink style) or the most masculine (fitness trainer/UFC fighter style). But in reality, in terms of pure confidence, a twink is never gonna act confident around a more built, masculine man because he's not as strong, and will always lose the confidence battle. Thus, looks and physical ability decide your success in dating and also directly influence your confidence with women.
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Why do they set height filters if confidence is so attractive?
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Then why are looks the deciding factor for whether a guy will get an opportunity to show his personality to women?
"Game" and all that rp crap only works for the guys who are already attractive to women. Which has to make you wonder, is it really the guy's game that got him the girl? Or his looks?
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That’s not accurate. I’ve seen countless attractive women with average-unattractive dudes. In fact, that’s the vast majority of what I see.
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Those dudes are either rich or tall
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This.
You can have a face like a frying pan but if you’re 6+ feet tall and have some muscle definition / no beer belly, most average-height women aren’t going to give a crap how handsome you are.
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No they are not, I am 5’11, black (African) and I do just fine (in the right location). You guys spend too much time at home (because of covid) then go from PPD to TRP to FDS to Rollo Tomassi (or whoever) then a dating app all while being on your phone or laptop, then start thinking that what you hear is reality.
Try creating a profile on Tinder as a woman, and see the hundreds of people that swarm to like the account and you want to compete there and hope to win? It’s a 2 dimensional app where a person doesn’t even know what you sound like so yeah they’ll pick the most aesthetically pleasing person they can find because that’s all they can measure (whether consciously or subconsciously)
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I am 6’2.5” I have a body fat % of 15 and I weigh 191 pounds even. I am also an African American Male. I would rate my face as a 8.5 and my body as a 9.5 and even though I live roughly 25 min from 2 extremely large coastal cities I am working diligently every day to save enough money to leave where I am due to the dating prospects being abysmal.
I have gone out every weekend since September 2021 and I have gotten serious attention from about 2 women…
The kicker is that both women (who are my looks match btw) live in The UK. Why do I get little action from women around me, simply because as an African American male who lives in the East Coast of America in a place where ~82% of the population is Caucasian American and ~54% are liberal Caucasians I cannot get women to take me seriously.
In terms of my own race I am ostracized from a lot of the good looking women due to (not all of course but I would estimate roughly 3/4ths) them being against AA men who aren’t socialized as inner city black people are. The ones who do talk to me are (again not all but roughly 8/10) are the female equivalent of male “gamers”… very overweight, bad diets, no exercise, and a constant need to show off how little they care about their look.
So I would argue that your point certainly has validity but due to how specific your situation is (like mine) I wouldn’t call it an effective rebuttal to OPs point.
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As a 5'3" asian guy I empathize. I remember thinking that getting in shape, having an active social life, and approaching women would eventuially help me meet someone. Man was I naive.
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5’11 is tall lmao
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Stop living in these weird forums so much, I used to be the same and I see now just how much damage TRP did to the way I view women. The things about self improvement are God tier but all the pigeon holing of women and eVOluTioNary BiOLoGy stuff is just rubbish. All you have to know is keep improving yourself and don’t give anyone leverage over you via marriage.
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Damn all I said was you are tall my guy
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5’11” isn’t tall. 6’< is tall.
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Pics of some random men?
> I'm almost 50 and just started dating really good loving men. I found good looking men too entitled when I was younger.
Lol typical alpha fucks beta bucks.
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Lol You are crazy. If you don't believe me why not scroll. My words should be enough if they are worth commenting on. It's funny though how women tell men how it is and they just reject any information coming from them and then these men whine about having to "lower their Standards" Hunny no woman you perceive as "low quality" wants you...she has a whole ass life she built that doesn't depend on the male gaze
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Lol you are 50 complaining about HVM/attractive men being “entitled?”
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You literally agreed with me in your original post lmao. Make up your mind man
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Okay so then tell me, if it is neither looks nor personality that gets women's attention, then what?
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How did his post get accepted if we aren't allowed to debate it?
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An excellent post that perfectly illustrates the imbalance between men and women in the dating scene nowadays. If you don't limit women's access to casual sex you end up with a society with a lot of sexless men who don't measure up in the looks department, a society with millions of unhappy men with an evergrowing desire to not contribute to said society, a society that is doomed to crash and burn.
It is men who ultimately build and maintain the infrastructure of society. If you don't keep the men happy, then it's only a matter of time before society crumbles.
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You're right, there is no government/social system which benefits everyone. If you want a stable society, though, it is imperative that you keep the majority of your active workforce happy. Right now, more and more men are getting the short end of the stick in life. We're talking construction workers, deliverymen, policemen, security guards, factory workers, maintenance workers, electricians, farmers, fishermen, even garbage collectors. Once enough of these men start revolting and not giving a shit about society because they realize they'll never be able to find love and start a family, crime is going to rise and people will slowly trade democracy for authoritarianism due to fear and a need for protection.
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You're right. These unattractive, low value men aren't confident or brave enough to start revolutions en masse, however, as their numbers grow, so does their voting power, and their votes will go to the people they think will oppose liberalism and feminism and give them a better chance, which are the right wing conservative parties.
Also, a few of them can and will break down mentally and will cause incel terrorist attacks and mass shootings, which will further spread fear and push the government toward harsher measures that reduce the level or democracy.
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Limiting women's access to casual sex will cause more women to turn to being relationship-oriented, so yes. Right now, a large percentage of women are content being in FWB arrangements with only a relatively small percentage of men while a larger and growing percentage of men struggle to find even one woman willing to have sex and be in a relationship with them.
If dating becomes more relationship-oriented instead of being casual sex-oriented, then more women will have to settle for their looksmatch, as the high value men they used to hook up with will be quickly snatched up, thus opening more opportunities for the rest of the male population, which is currently being ignored by women.
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51% of all American men aged 18-29 are single compared to 32% of all women aged 18-29.
27% of all American men aged 30-49 are single compared to just 19% of women aged 30-49.
Source here
Also, 31% of all American men aged 18-24 reported having no sex in the past year compared to just 19% of all women aged 18-24. Source here.
The conclusion here is clear. A lot of women are choosing to have FWB arrangements with a small subset of men, whereas a third, if not half of all men get no intimacy of any kind.
There is a massive imbalance in the dating world which leaves a lot of men in the dust who would like to have sex and relationships with women but can't find anyone, because most women won't sleep or be with them and would rather just be fuckbuddies with a man above their league and not bother with LTR's, which is absolutely not fair to the average men and needs to be adressed, otherwise there will be big repercussions down the line.
If the sources I provided don't convince of you of the situation at hand, then I'm sorry, but I don't know what else would.
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They can't be dating older men, because older men themselves have a higher rate of being single than older women. There aren't enough older men around to secure relationships with both younger and older women at the rate they report being in relationships.
The math doesn't check out unless a minority of men share the majority of women, and since a man can only be in a monogamous relationship with one woman, the only possible explanation for the numbers I quoted is that high-value man have FWB relationships with multiple women, and that women are sharing these men, knowingly or not.
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If you don’t get past the resume screening of looks, it doesn’t matter how good your other qualities are.
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attractive men fuck multiple people?
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testosterone
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Yep. You cute? Alright, let's pull out the laundry list and see how you measure up past that.
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Op im 5 foot 3 and ugly. This thread is absolutely ignorant. In 2022 you can't get away with being unattractive as a man.
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Define that? Any guy talking about dating frustration is incel content?
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