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I think TRP does make some valid points, and can be a positive way to live life as long as you can maneuver around the bullshit misogyny that does happen there and have empathy for your fellow human beings

August 22, 2014
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Title I think TRP does make some valid points, and can be a positive way to live life as long as you can maneuver around the bullshit misogyny that does happen there and have empathy for your fellow human beings
Author prettylatebloomer
Upvotes 8
Comments 46
Date August 22, 2014 9:03 PM UTC (8 years ago)
Subreddit /r/PurplePillDebate
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[–]DaThrowaway808<('.'<) (>'.')>6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think we're debatingdiscussing something, but I just don't know what it is.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

TRP gets a lot of hate from people who don't follow it and I kind of wanted to address that. I mean, the hate's definitely not uncalled for, but TRP does have some redeeming qualities and is worth looking into. I mean, I don't agree with it's philosophy on thinking of women as lesser beings and I have a hard time with the way some people talk about chasing after married women but I just wanted to defend TRP philosophy a bit because it really does make some valid points worth considering.

[–]DaThrowaway808<('.'<) (>'.')>1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's more a criticism about the way you structured the discussion. There isn't a single question mark in your entire post, which makes me think, well, what are you trying to discuss? Adding a simple, what do you think is valid and helpful about RP?

This topic has been covered before, but also gets indirectly covered in other topics as well. Although I don't expect you to be a long time member/lurker. Its mainly a lack of direction of the discussion.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I guess the way I worded my post, it didn't really open itself up for any discussion really. Haha yeah I am pretty new to this whole 'debate' thing and I'll learn as I go, hopefully I'll be able to contribute better shit for the sub in the future. I appreciate your constructive criticism, thanks!

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think people try really really hard to find the specific talking points to confirm their own bias about TRP or TBP. If you're really wise, the solution is always just to be present enough to recognize that both sides are too reductionist and to live your life in a PP way.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points | Copy Link

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[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

your lack of empathy is atrocious. stop being a shitty human being. thanks :)

[–]17b29a2 points3 points  (47 children) | Copy Link

what are the valid points?

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 2 points3 points  (46 children) | Copy Link

Taking responsibility for your own happiness. The fact that feminism has made it hard as shit to be a man in this world. Knowing that life is hard, no one's going to just give you anything. It's stupid to expect life to just hand you things. Etc, etc.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

The fact that feminism has made it hard as shit to be a man in this world.

How so?

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 2 points3 points  (38 children) | Copy Link

Feminism puts women up on a pedestal and teaches us that women are special beings. Fuck. That. Look, I'm not saying the men's rights movement is necessarily any better. I'll be honest, I don't really know too much about it but it is good in that it addresses just how stupid feminism is. I'm saying that we're all fucking human. No one deserves any sort of special treatment. If you're not a man, I guess it can be a little hard to empathize. Feminism tries to teach men to not be men. It makes men feel ashamed for having sexual desires, it tries to limit our ability to have confidence. I really could go on and on but this feels like a bit of a circle jerk. If you're not a man, it can be hard to fully understand, I'll just let you know though, as a man, feminism has made it hard as fuck to be a true man.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

I'll just let you know, as a man, I haven't encountered any of this difficulty, not even about my sexual desires.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

good for you buddy. happy for ya. nice of you to have empathy. fucker :)

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I'm just saying, I run in some darn feminist circles, openly acknowledging that I have a penis. I've seen plenty of other men in these circles with similar lack of difficulty being men. This causes me to have great difficulty in finding 'feminism makes being a man difficult' to be a valid point.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] -4 points-3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Haha, you're putting yourself up on a high horse looking down on all of us who disagree with your idea of feminism having a positive effect on society. Nice. I honestly don't personally know any real men who identify with feminism so I have serious doubt in you being a "real man." Just out of curiosity, how do you fare with women relationship-wise? Not well I'm betting. It's because of that feminist bullshit, open your eyes dude, it's not too late.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Or I'm just disagreeing with you. Mayhaps you're looking for boogeymen.

What is a 'real man' to you? We should probably know what definitions we're using.

I've done well enough for myself. I have no interest in casual, but my relationships have been fine.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] -3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

I hate being called out too but I'm gonna do it. You're pretty much the epitome of what TRP refers to as a "blue-piller." You seem to have nice-guy syndrome pretty bad and I'm betting that deep down, you're not happy with the life you live. You can reply and say that you do, whatever. I'm just letting you know. With this new perspective on life I have, I've never been happier in my life. You say your relationships have been fine. When is the last girlfriend you had? How'd it go? How'd things end for you? Honestly, those questions are more rhetorical questions. I don't really care to get an actual answer.

[–]17b29a1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Feminism puts women up on a pedestal and teaches us that women are special beings.

It makes men feel ashamed for having sexual desires, it tries to limit our ability to have confidence.

How so?

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 3 points4 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

How so? I know from personal experience, how I've lived my life in the past, and how I've never truly been able to be happy. Like my name says, I'm a late bloomer, and I've gotten to a pretty amazing place in my life. TRP sort of helped open my eyes to a lot of the bullshit that is wrong with this world, feminism being one of those things.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was a remarkable number of words to not actually say anything relevant

[–]17b29a1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps you could give examples of how feminism does this to you?

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] -4 points-3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, I don't really care enough to give the energy to put into words how exactly feminism has fucked with my youth. It seems like it'd be a waste anyway, you seem to be pretty set in your thoughts. You can either just believe me or not believe me, I don't really care.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

How is this a fruitful way to debate? You're pretty much shutting yourself down to anyone else's perspective and opinion.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] -3 points-2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I don't care to debate with people who are set in their way of thought.

[–]17b29a1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

you seem to be pretty set in your thoughts

That's a curious thing to conclude from like 3 one-line questions

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's an assumption I made. Deal with it. I've been taking to a couple white-knighting blue-pillers in this thread and honestly, it's showing to be a waste of my energy.

[–]GridReXXit be like that2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Outside of the feminism one, everyone else outside of TRP thinks those things too.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

yeah, that's why everyone is so happy and successful right? get real

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Doing and thinking are not the same thing. Not every terper is doing everything trp proscribes

[–]GridReXXit be like that0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Like I said TRP is not unique for advising people to work hard and improve things within their control.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never said that it was the only way to have a successful life. It does offer some good advice and even though it can be laced with misogyny, you've just gotta remember to look at it with a level-head. It is possible to take the good while ignoring the bad parts of things, don't underestimate human ability.

[–]RedPill4LYFHeterosexual Red Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this.

[–][deleted] 1 points1 points | Copy Link

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[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Could say the same for a lot of things, feminism, organized religion. Do you ever add to a thread or just try to appear witty?

[–]CFRProflcopter( ͠° ͟ʖ ͡°)[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

  1. Neutral titles please

  2. "Lol, you bluepillers are funny. Now I see why TRP has so much hate for you fuckers. Go stroke yourselves some more, enjoy your suck ass lives you petty, judgmental mother fuckers."

...Not OK.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yeah, my b on the edit that was probably uncalled for, the downvote brigade that was happening to my comments was just pretty annoying to look at. I mean, literally seeing my karma go down isn't what bothered me, it's just the whole pettiness of it annoyed me. I'll remove the edit, as far as the title goes though, I feel like it makes a valid argument...

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯-3 points-2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I like the misogyny- you should be able to talk shit about anyone regardless of sex.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

There's a difference between just talking shit and targeting your shit talk to a specific group of people. Why be a bully?

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯-2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't see a difference in that at all. Being a bully would entail actually causing harm to a specific group of people. I haven't seen any recounts of one individual at TRP terrorize all women, or even a group of women. So please explain that difference.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ah, I'm seeing you're a follower of the old "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me" school of thought. Words do hurt people.

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Then people need to toughen up. The world at large isn't there to coddle anyone.

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha right, no need to baby people but it's okay to treat people like human beings. We don't need to put women up on a pedestal but we also don't need to put them down in a ditch.

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

to treat people like human beings

There's that platitude again

[–]prettylatebloomerRed Pill Man[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ha, I hope I'm not coming off as white-knighty. That's not my intent at all. I don't want to put myself on a high horse, I don't like to think of myself better than others. It may be a little overused and white-knights love to use "treating people like human beings" but I think it's overused for good reason. Life's hard and shit man, we've all got a life of our own. We're all in this together, I don't think it's so bad to be kind to others, try to make this struggle just a little bit easier for each other.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can, you just don't get to say whatever you like without people reacting

[–]Villaintine╰▄︻▄╯0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course, all actions have repercussions but if you think those repercussions are equal from group to group you're absolutely deluded.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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