It's ridiculous that a woman can sleep with another woman and still claim she's straight.

mwait · 2019-12-16T13:02:29+00:00

I kind of agree, but I think there's two situations where a women can fuck another women and still be straight:

A) They took a tour round minge city and decided it wasn't for them. In order to know you don't like something, you have to try it.

B) They're pick me penelopes. Some women will do literally anything to make their man happy, including watching him fuck another women and fucking said woman herself. It's sycophantism turned up to eleven.

Or - they are bisexual plain and simple but use mental gymnastics to avoid admitting it because of internalise homophobia (I have seen conservative women do this).

king_of_red_alphas · 2019-12-16T09:45:03+00:00

I'm gonna have to agree with the Femisphere here and say that a woman's sexuality seems to be far more fluid than a man's.

About half the girls I've dated were "Strictly Dickly", but about a third of them were down to eat pussy. Some had done it one-on-one and the rest in threesomes. The threesome girls, I would consider far more on the spectrum of straight. They also truly got off on it, and would watch threesome porn on their own, so this wasn't some "to please my man" thing. It was usually a "We like this girl, she's sexy and cool, let's party with her" thing.

Further, and maybe more surprising - is the number of lesbians I know who will jump on a dick. It's usually just for some emergency action, and oddly impersonal (no kissing), but lots of them do it.

saladfingers4141 · 2019-12-16T09:23:27+00:00

Who cares?

In my personal experience I've found maybe 75-85% of women I've dated would be open to sleeping with a woman.

lizabellejane · 2019-12-16T08:45:30+00:00

I’ve always said it’s about what you want in your mouth. You want cock in your mouth? Straight. Also pussy? Bi. Only Pussy? Lesbian.

mistresswhat · 2019-12-17T07:00:48+00:00

I had a high school ex who considered himself bi-curious while we were together. Shortly after our breakup, he slept with a man -- and decided that nope, not for him, he was definitely straight. I don't know why he'd have lied about it, since he was pretty open about the bi-curiosity. I think he was a little disappointed, tbh. Anyway, that was far from the last time I heard a similar story.

I'd argue that treating men who experiment with gay sex the way we treat women who experiment with lesbian sex would be a good thing.

I don't like raw oysters, even though they look very fun to eat. But I've tried them, and I make a point of trying again every few years just to see if it still feels like eating a loogie. It always does. No one would label me an oyster-lover. But that's how we treat sexuality. It's nonsensical.

J_Milton_Jr · 2019-12-16T08:13:17+00:00

If you tried it once or twice when you where younger but didnt liked it enough to make it smth you do on a regular basis, id say thats what people say is "bicurious"... women are more inclined to try it out for several reasons ...imo the big difference is that men find lesbian hot (and women know that), men want to see two women together, women, on the other hand, arent really eager to see two guys making out... I think that's one big reason why women are more keen to experiment, they like the extra attention they get from men

also, making out is one thing, but eating another woman out is a whole different thing, many women i know made out with other women but no woman went any further...non lesbian / bi curious women actually having sex with other women happens much less often than it seems

NorthrnSwede · 2019-12-16T12:16:32+00:00

That you have a deathly fear of anything you see as feminine or gay is not some indication that everyone else is bisexual. It's only an indiction of your own misogyny and homophobia.

Like nearly all aspects of personality and who we are, sexuality occurs on a spectrum. There is no such thing as "completely straight" just as there is no such thing as completely white/extravert/neurotypical/etc. You may lean farther one way than another person. There is not a wrong place to fall on these spectrums. Wy do you spend so much time worrying about what other consenting people are doing in bedrooms? Grow up.

diffdedbed · 2019-12-16T13:12:03+00:00

This would describe my wife, and it took years for her to admit she was bi. Most of the women who fall into this are the kind who would never just date a woman solo.

The joke term is spaghetti bi. Straight until wet.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2019-12-16T14:05:42+00:00

Homosexuality is same sex ATTRACTION and sexual orientation towards the same sex. Women do not require any form of attraction to have sex, they can have sex with men to whom they are not attracted also. Engaging in same-sex sex as mutual masturbation without attraction is engaging in a homosexual act, but it doesnt make one a homosexual. I believe this goes for men in prison, navy and desert island homosexual ACT sex as well. Hetero and homosexuality are ORIENTATIONS

I have had several encounters with women under very specific circumstances. I did not want to have them, felt no attraction for the women and never would have had sex with women left up to my own devices in a million years. I am not attracted to or oriented towards women, but was able to have sex with them situationally for a very specific purpose. I have had sex with men without attraction too. High sociosexuality people lack disgust

DaizyDuchess · 2019-12-16T14:59:53+00:00

You think you’re being rational but “sexual identity” is a very recent concept in human history. People used to identify as men or women; sexual actions were things you did or didn’t do, not who you are. So what’s actually ridiculous is trying to define a human based on their sexual actions and thinking that’s normal.

poppy_blu · 2019-12-16T19:04:03+00:00

Someone’s never heard of down low brothers....

Plenty of men swing too. And they don’t call themselves gay. In fact that’s why in public health we use the term “men who have sex with men” instead of gay. There are indeed men who have sex with men who do not consider themselves gay, and if you screen for “gay, bi, etc” you will miss men who may be engaging in high risk behavior.

It’s an identity not a scientific designation. It all depends on whether you see sexuality as rigid or not. I don’t and never have. I see it as being on spectrum and it’s changes over time.

decoy88 · 2019-12-16T12:13:00+00:00

when i was younger there was a big trend of boys making out at parties and no one considered them gay or bi

if you start actually fucking members of the same sex then yeah but i'd makeout with a hot dog so idg what that matters

GSstreetfighter · 2019-12-16T08:33:34+00:00

As I got older (57 M), I kept my youthful figure and swimmers body.

I told my Dad I was the recipient of a lot of unwanted male attention.

Actually, it's nice. It's validating. I have zero digital footprint aside from here, and have been receiving the first compliments of my entire life, now that I'm old.

I still haven't had a date in six years, but I'm hopeful.

rus9384 · 2019-12-16T10:20:49+00:00

You will be surprised by post-Soviet men. Most dudes who fuck other dudes claim they are straight.

With that said, women sleeping with other women is more normalized than men sleeping with other men.

grand_tiremaster · 2019-12-16T11:26:33+00:00

I tried it to see if I like it, was OKish with receiving it, but reciprocating? I gagged and told the girl I just couldn’t do it. I looked at her hoohah and thought “why do men like this?”. It still boggles me to this day. Boobs don’t do anything for me. Girls kiss and touch very softly, not like a man at all, it’s not very sexy or a turn-on. Female ass doesn’t get me excited, neither do their bodies.

Also there is a dynamic amongst bi and lesbian couples.. one is the “man” usually while the other takes on the feminine role. In my days of experimenting, I guess because I’m tall, the girls (I messed with 2) would want me to be the “man”. I can’t do that. But experimenting doesn’t make ya bi, especially if it turns out you don’t like your own sex in that way. Yes, women can be very pretty and turn heads even. But women don’t make me think the way I do when I see an attractive man. That’s how I know I’m straight.

ToraChan23 · 2019-12-16T13:22:38+00:00

It's like a vegan who occasionally eats meat.

2019-12-16T13:24:05+00:00

Women are beautiful and I’ve slept with a few for the sake of experimentation, it’s easy to be physically affectionate with women as they are generally non threatening with some exceptions, but I’ve never had a crush on a woman or lusted for a woman. I don’t like being eaten out by women, zero arousal. Def not bi. Super straight which saddens men who think all women are down for three ways because of porn.

flamingoinghome · 2019-12-16T15:46:41+00:00

I mean...I kinda disagree with the second part of your hypothesis. I know straight guys who've slept with a dude once just to see if they liked it--they didn't, which is why they're straight. I know other guys who did the same, liked it plenty, and now identify as bi or pan.

Also, it's a long road from kissing someone to having sex with them!

Bntt89 · 2019-12-16T16:13:21+00:00

Yes it's called being bisexual, lol holy shit I didn't think people where such fucking boomers they never heard of this? Have they never heard of it? It's when you like both genders.

ResponsibleCharacter · 2019-12-16T16:16:16+00:00

Imo it’s either cause A. They’re pressured by men around and don’t have strong boundaries yet because young or B. theyre the type of woman who really NEEEEDS attention. ALL THE TIME. Which is why you see it (two dumb straight girls making out) at HS and undergrad parties.

I made out with a couple girls during that period because everyone else was and we were kinda pressured into it. I wasn’t impressed. No “tinglies” as the manosphere puts it. Once I was kinda molested (it was only kissing with clothes on so not really lol, but I was HAMMERED and she was a few years older) at 18 by a lesbian girl. Literally convinced me to make out with her and said the cops wouldn’t give us tickets for underaged drinking if we did it 🤣 god I was dumb.

Moral of the story is: I kissed a girl and I was ambivalent af about it. It’s mildly gross to kiss someone who isn’t like... ugly... but that has no sexual appeal to you personally so I cut that shit out literally after the lesbian cop adventure. I’ve never touched or put my mouth on another girls vagina because eugh. No. I would never allow a man to pressure me into doing it under the guise of a “threesome.” None of the guys I’ve dated have wanted to have them, my partner now and I have joked about it and I say “all right, but I get another man next time and imma watch him rail you”

SirNemesis · 2019-12-16T16:18:29+00:00

Men do this too, which is why they ask blood donors whether they have had sex with another man in the last 12 months instead of asking whether they're gay or bi.

Kos_-_Omak · 2019-12-16T20:03:36+00:00

There's a huge difference between making out and having sex. A LOT of 100% straight girls will make out with other girls at parties and stuff because they know it's an easy way to get massive amounts of attention. But they absolutely won't want to go home with that other chick and get naked and scissor each other.

In my experience, the girls who are DTF other girls DO describe themselves as bisexual.

nice_rooklift_bro · 2019-12-17T05:36:16+00:00

I am well aware of the stats that show women are more likely to be open minded to having relations with another woman.

Stats collected in only one culture say that.

Whereas guys are not so easy going when it comes to being close to someone. Especially another man.

Again, only one culture—Americans coming back from say Turkey will often remark upon how interestingly homoerotic the culture is and how comfortable males are to give each other physical affection, walk hand in hand, kiss each other on the lips, cuddle naked which would surely bee immediately perceived as "gay" in the US.

It's 100% true a dude would be considered gay by other dudes if he got one up the ass lol.

But if a chick slept with another chick, it's just "exploring your sexuality" or "bicurious".

Like come on... If you're bi, you're bi. Nothing wrong with that. No need to proclaim you're straight. Noone cares anymore in 2019...

Yeah, the standard is kind of bullshit, but so are all these sexuality labels to begin with to be honest.

abaxeron · 2019-12-16T08:47:19+00:00

It's ridiculous that men can claim to understand what's going on in a woman's head and tell her how she experiences sex and sexuality

nevomintoarce · 2019-12-16T09:56:59+00:00

What do lesbians do besides kissing and oral anyways? It's not the same as a guy getting a dick up his ass.

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raithespaceknight · 2019-12-16T08:56:35+00:00

Well yeah women are likely to explore Gender identity ix determined by the person not society

loke2dabrain · 2019-12-16T09:47:41+00:00

I know multiple straight men who have experimented with other guys. It's still not AS accepted but times are changing

largepaycheckaddict · 2019-12-16T13:39:54+00:00

I once matched and dated a bi girl who had a GF on tinder. Things didn’t work out cause she was very promiscuous and I didn’t want to catch STDs.

A week later I matched with her GF.

There’s no such thing as a lesbian, only women who are too unattractive to get dicked down by a non-ugly dude so they settle for only pussy.

2019-12-16T14:18:52+00:00

More than a few substantiated studies have shown that women are more critical of a potential male partner if/when she learns about his previous homosexual encounters.

Experimenting with bisexuality is therefore much more of a liability for men because, as usual, women are acting as the primary reinforcers of the expectations of masculinity.

Manny1400 · 2019-12-16T14:47:37+00:00

I was talking to one of my very socially conservative / right-wing female friends the other day, and she told me she has enjoyed making out with some of our mutual female friends. She said she likes everything "above the waste" (boobs, etc.), but won't go beyond that.

Needless to say, I was pretty surprised. Women can't even figure themselves out, and I won't try

Willow-girl · 2019-12-16T15:16:35+00:00

is this like guys in prison being 'gay for the stay'?

analt223 · 2019-12-16T15:17:31+00:00

Women arent hetero or homo. They are powersexual. Ive said this numerous times. Women just like being with others who project power, and hot women can easily do that

eboy4hire · 2019-12-16T15:47:10+00:00

But it's also funny how they consider themselves completely straight. Since no feelings were involved.

It's 100% true a dude would be considered gay by other dudes if he got one up the ass lol.

Lmao I'm imagining a dude coming up and being like, "I take a couple dicks from time to time but I'm still pretty much straight."

DisastrousMeaning1 · 2019-12-16T16:07:28+00:00

I disagree. This is about women's sexual fluidity. Women can have sex with other women because there are no men to have sex with. When an attractive man presents himself, she'll go back to sex with men.

Orange_Paisley · 2019-12-16T17:36:55+00:00

I consider myself bi but I almost exclusively date men.

Redslif · 2019-12-17T04:29:35+00:00

Women's sexuality and Men's sexuality are not the same.

Women's sexuality is extremely fluid and it's completely ridiculous to compare it to a man's sexuality which is a lot more rigid.

Frankly, i absolutely LOVE it that women's sexuality is this way.

Gills87 · 2019-12-23T21:51:32+00:00

The problem is: people care too much about labels.

It doesn't really matter how you're going to call them tbh. They probably consider themselves straight because they are not in a serious relationship with another woman. And yes, by your definition they are bi. But why the category is relevant?

2019-12-27T10:21:55+00:00

They are simply taking advantage of the stereotype forced on bi and lesbian women by homophobic societies. And the stereotype is that women are more bi-curious and 'flexible' than men.

gimpgirl555 · 2019-12-16T08:09:42+00:00

That's just something we do to cuz men get off on it. It's not a sexual thing. It's like you masturbating for a woman, does it make you gay cuz you're touching a dick?

Eastuss · 2019-12-16T08:43:49+00:00

You got it all wrong, lesbians just don't exist.

In my life experience, lesbians were the most likely to want to sleep with me, a man. It's like only 1% of straight women are into me while 30% of lesbians are into me.

loke2dabrain · 2019-12-16T09:57:53+00:00

Doing gay shit doesn't automatically make you gay imo. Sex is meaningless and has no effect on your sexual preference when there's no emotion behind it.

Women are more in tune with our emotions and being able to express them with each other, and is viewed as more socially acceptable, without being labeled as lesbians/Bi because it's in our biological nature to be open and emotional.

Men adhere to the social expectations of them and are afraid to deviate from that because they'll be seen as as less manly and more feminine; As it's considered biologically abnormal for men to be more emotional and open.

Women doing gay shit; Normal because biology

Men doing gay shit: Bad because of biology

skystar86 · 2019-12-16T11:15:19+00:00

Sexuality is a lifestyle choice so she could have been bi then but straight now.

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