Men and women's lives are too incomparable for us to find common ground on dating

Rolando_Cueva · 2021-01-27T13:56:41+00:00

From the sound of it, the common ground appears to be misery lmao

ace1244 · 2021-01-27T17:37:27+00:00

A lot of what you say is so spot on. For instance, the inbox. On other sites I had posted profiles of attractive women. “My” inbox was flooded all the time.

But while women did PM me ( my real self) they just didn’t chase me like men chase women. I have a friend who is a ladies’ man and they don’t even chase HIM. He says he compares it ( dating) to baseball: twenty five percent is average and thirty three percent success is hall of fame.

Women have no concept of this.

And I have no concept of safety concerns. But when women tell me this I appreciate them making me more socially aware.

Suck-Less · 2021-01-28T08:49:18+00:00

I would add one more thing. Because the modern woman is raised to think we live in a patriarchy, she is also raised to think men are her oppressor. The result is that any thought of compromise from a woman is seen as subjugation by her and her female peers. Fill them with misleading stats and it just gets worse.

Now on the other end, men are slowly waking up to the realization that women are not these kinder, more loving and more nurturing creatures. Women are far more likely to say yes to a date for a free meal than for anything else. Tinder is teaching men how many women objectify men as sex and wealth objects.

Combine it all with social media, and I agree that western women have become incomparable with western men.

I see what you are getting at but I’d suggest this instead. Maybe incomparable/incompatible isn’t the right term.

Maybe is more like this: through patriarchal theory saturated in the education and media, women are raised to have a disdain and hatred for men. Through societies obvious view of men as disposable, men are starting to recognize it and walk away.

Remarkable_Pin_7753 · 2021-01-27T14:30:14+00:00

Most men can't relate to fearing for your life when preparing for a date (even if such fear is irrational)

Women see men as potential abusers, even if they shouldn't.

Is this so shocking? Just yesterday I was talking to a guy on here that thought all men inherently wanted to rape, abuse, and murder, and the only reason you guys don't is because it's illegal.

Also, I think most women have at least one or more bad or dangerous situations they've been in with guys that make them more wary of dudes and potential threats.

xxpen15mightierxx · 2021-01-27T16:05:00+00:00

Maybe, but if you tell me that this is a thing I’ll listen and try to take it into consideration. Dates have shown me their DMs before and now I don’t blame them for being so defensive off the bat.

It’s not that hard to listen if you get off your soapbox and stop saying “but what about how hard men (or women) have it?!”

passepar2t · 2021-01-27T13:50:33+00:00

For someone's imperative to win, someone's imperative has to lose.

AngelWeyesDelRey · 2021-01-27T15:31:08+00:00

Was it audrey hepburn who said men and women arent compatible?

I am only attracted to men so nothing can be done about that. But it can be depressing when you think about how different we really are. So much compromise at all times lol.

Mustbeaight · 2021-01-27T14:37:19+00:00

Most sensible post on this sub

WeAreMoreThanUs · 2021-01-27T19:55:49+00:00

I agree.

To be very specific, and I'll say it once and I'll say it again, a thousand times:

There's no reconciling the deep dichotomy between the sexes, gay or straight.

The antipathy, amidst a grudging attraction (for those who aren't asexual), between men and women is a byproduct of our sexual dimorphism. I would also argue that it's an evolutionary adaptation.

We don't always have to be "enemies" but we will never be true "allies", even in pair-bonds.

One of the only times a detente occurs is when confronted with the responsibilities of caring for children, and even then, only tepidly so.

But in general, I would argue "sexism" is, at least initially, biologically ingrained into our psyches. It is part of the Jungian archetype.

We are justifiably suspicious of the other gender(s) and it's our right to be.

Don't get too butt-hurt by suspicion. Normalize skepticism and and be confident in risk-management with whomever you interweave your life with.

We are the descendants of predators. Be wary of your own and others' intent.

ThrowawayCOVID999 · 2021-02-01T03:02:58+00:00

Men simply can’t understand what it’s like to be a woman and hear the word no for the first time when you turn 40.

Neither_Coconut · 2021-01-27T14:38:04+00:00

Honestly, I come to this sub for a good time. Not because I actively need confirmation on my beliefs.

Is dating complex in real life? Sure, but I’m not going to FDS or red pill (I don’t know enough about either to condemn but they seem to be talking points here) to try to accommodate for it.

2021-01-27T18:09:09+00:00

Men and women talk past each other constantly on this sub and in everyday life when discussing dating because our lives and experiences are too incomparable to find any common ground.

What about all the other stuff in one's life that doesn't have to do with dating? I think the periods in my life where I'm dating is such an infinitesimal fraction compared to the periods where I'm either in a relationship or single and focusing on other stuff.

What about all that stuff? Like the stuff I spend 99% of my time doing? Is it so very different based on gender?

Edit: Maybe if dating is giving you so much anxiety, don't date for awhile and focus on self improvement?

Notsonewguy7 · 2021-01-27T19:04:41+00:00

That's the unfortunate conclusion I came to. I think the incomparableness also extends outside of dating into other elements of life .

2021-01-27T19:48:35+00:00

This post reminds me of the Jordan Peterson's point about how the personality and interest differences between men and women grow as societies become more egalitarian. Perhaps, the efforts to equalize the genders is creating a situation where men and women are growing apart, so to speak. Perhaps men and women start seeing things more differently as we try and make men and women more similar. Interesting stuff.

akaean · 2021-01-27T15:19:48+00:00

This might be true here. But I find that men and women frequently have very similar relationships experiences... The issue is that here we have a lot of TRP people who have very rigid views on gender, and a huge closet incel population that also likely has a lot of bad luck in dating, and that same TRP rigid / toxic view on gender.

Honestly, this post is another one of those that employs the fallacy of you can only complain about things if you have it worse. A problem or complaint IS NOT invalid if the otherside "has it worse". A woman can complain and advocate for issues she faces, and she doesn't have to prove that women have it worse than men for those issues to be valid. Likewise, men can complain and advocate for issues they face, ad they don't have to prove that men have it worse for those issues to be valid. Arguments like this, that essentially boil down to, both have it bad, so both are equal and therefor both are valid- is just a ham fisted attempt at working within a dichotomy that doesn't make any sense to begin with. I don't really care if men or women have it worse- that isn't the way to look at it, compared to the individual issues that may be faced.

Most people I've talked to outside of this particular echo chamber, men and women, by and large have comparable views and experiences regarding dating. Its only on extreme ends of the spectrum where I really see significant deviation. PPD is a horrible sampling of normal people. There are two kinds of people on PPD, people who strongly support TRP and are crusading to expand its influence, and people who strongly oppose TRP and are crusading to tear off its mask expose it for the vile ideology that it is.

Most people 'I know, men and women, have been cheated on at some point in their lives. Most people I know, men and women, don't turn heads when they walk into a room. Most people i know, men and women, have a reasonable history of dating and experiences. I also have this thing called, empathy, and imagination. I don't need to have personally experienced something to be able to understand and empathize it. I think it is insulting and dismissive to say that men cannot understand a concern posted by women because they aren't women- and vise versa. Yet, here we are with people unironically claiming men and women are like "different species". Ridiculous.

Salkoo8 · 2021-01-27T13:41:46+00:00

As a woman I dont see men as potential abusers, that sounds like being really paranoid.

But agree with the rest.

RRBeachFG2 · 2021-01-27T18:51:24+00:00

So women are irrational and that's just the way it is, got it.

AreOut · 2021-01-27T21:35:19+00:00

"Most men can't relate to fearing for your life when preparing for a date (even if such fear is irrational),"

maybe stop dating pricks? women don't date men who don't arouse them and since men they are sure won't harm them don't arouse them so there...

hipnot_tohate · 2021-01-27T18:13:47+00:00

let me guess you’re a dude?

Women do experience rejection, however they’re the ones you aren’t interested in dating anyways so their experiences aren’t valid...

And yes it is totally the same for men to experience rejection and women to be in fear for lives in choosing the wrong partner.

I’ve posted these statistics before, but here we go again, from a male social worker who worked with abusive men. The book is called “Why does he do that?”

“2 to 4 million women are assaulted by partners each year in the US

Attacks by male partners are the number one cause of injury to women between the ages of 15-44 (US Surgeon General)

AMA - 1 out of 3 women will be a victim of violence by a husband or boyfriend at some point in her life.

Emotional effects of partner violence are a factor in more than 1/4 of female suicide attempts, and a leading cause of substance abuse in adult women

Govt statistics- 1500 to 2000 women are murderedby partners or ex-partners per year, comprising more than 1/3 of all female homicide victims

5 million children per year witness assault on their mothers

abuse of women is a cause in 1/3 of divorces among couples with children and 1/2 of divorces where custody is disputed

“Abuse of women by men is so rampant that, unless people can somehow make it women’s own fault, they are forced to take on a number of uncomfortable questions about men and much of male thinking” “

So yes women do see men as potential abusers because the statistics support it.

Dating is hard if you are seeking validation for your existence from another person. Dating is easy if you know yourself, enjoy your life, and know what you want in a partner.

madhunnybee · 2021-01-27T15:15:50+00:00

Oh please. Men and women aren't so different. We all have similar lives. We eat, we sleep, we go to work. We enjoy spending our free time wity friends or in front of a screen. We like it when we do a job well and we don't like it when we fail. Really there's more things that are similar about the lives of men and women than there are things that can't compare.

With all due respect, if your entire personality is based off your gender stereotype, you probably aren't a great person. Stop playing the role of a princess or a macho man and you'll realize how similar men and women are.

Also, fear of assault is much more serious than fear of rejection. Getting robbed, raped, stabbed or murdered is far worse than not getting laid for a couple of months. It's true that men face issues just like anyone else, but not getting laid isn't one we should worry about. There should me more campaigns for prostate cancer and such, since it has proven to be helpful with breast cancer, for example. It might save lives.

Urbantexasguy · 2021-01-27T17:08:29+00:00

Meh.....as an older guy, I think most young men create their own problems, and their own empty inboxes, when it comes to chasing women. They swipe right on everything with a pulse and a vagina, and by doing so, increase the competition 1000X fold, on every woman. They chase the top 1/3rd of women, when it comes to actual messaging, and ignore or ghost the others.

They establish profiles with tons of offensive, "Swipe left if you're......." statements, and wonder why nobody swipes right. We won't even talk about about the shirtless bathroom selfies photos. When they do actually meet a women online, they rush into sex topics, and suggest coffee and walk dates, instead of actually spending $20 to buy a woman dinner.

They relentlessly cling to Tinder, even though EVERYBODY knows by now, that it's 80% men, and the remaining 20% are largely bots, instagram girls, and onlyfans girls. I honestly don't know why any guy chooses to stay on Tinder, when other apps with better men/women ratios are available.

When it comes to "real life", they avoid nightclubs, because they are too afraid of getting "me too'd" by a drunk girl, even though their chances of being struck by lightning are actually greater. They spend hours upon hours on video games and porn, time that could be spent actually meeting women, or improving themselves.

I'm not saying that all young men do all these things, but when it comes to dating, these guys do a lot of dysfunctional shit.

superlurkage · 2021-01-27T16:01:16+00:00

This sub is not the real world

Things are fine in mine

DevilishRogue · 2021-01-27T16:30:23+00:00

Anyone can create a dating profile of the opposite sex if they want to see how the other half lives.

jazzlikeAstronaut7 · 2021-01-27T16:51:55+00:00

I agree....men and women are so different because of biology and social conditioning, to the point where we just do not relate to each other. In the ideal relationship, you would be able to get along across multiple dimensions, not just sexual.

But I think part of the problem is that our culture has romanticized relationships, when in reality, they existed for the purposes of procreation, dividing labor etc. Modernity has transformed men and women cohabitating/reproducing into this idea of a “romance” or a “relationship” that’s seemingly impossible to live up to. How am I supposed to find a man who I think is attractive, understands my issues (a lot of which come from specifically being a female) have similar hobbies, have the same communication style & attachment style, etc. Heck, finding these similarities in a girl friend is difficult enough. But to find them in a man? When most of these things are in part a product of your gender? That’s even more difficult. I find it so hard to relate to men. I enjoy masculine energy and at times I actually tap into it myself, but the more I observe/experience heterosexual relationships, the more I realize attaining anything other than the bare minimum is so hard!

bd31 · 2021-01-27T17:25:53+00:00

People can relate along shared values, interests and experiences, instead of alienating one another through fixating on disparate challenges.

2021-01-27T19:30:13+00:00

There's only one possible truth, one possible reality. Then there's men's reality & women's reality. Most women inherently want a strong dominant, confident and commanding man to submit to. If they're more masculine than feminine this dynamic begins to shift, and they might just be comfortable being like men themselves.

Then there's what every individual man & women think, due to their past experiences, their own perspective, and their own intentions/agenda. Most people don't psychoanalyze their behavior or think about it much at all besides some general sayings like "men are such pigs" or "_______ women are easy" even if all of this only reflects some men or some women. The truth is complicated, massive like the universe, and there's not many absolutes.

Most people never think about any of this, its only now in the modern age of too much information we can even begin to. Most men never had a platform to complain, analyze, or intellectualize about mating... and its been said by some men that all of this even being possible is a huge taboo to the "feminine narrative" & "feminine imperative" since they want naturally 'alpha' men to submit to. Although you might argue in past America you as a man didn't have to compete with every guy a women could see online, celebrities as much, and them obsessing over whatever man they think they could have access to. You just had to ask your cute neighbor girlfriend on a date & that's that. Or when you get out of high school girls in the same dorm & they will say yes because what other guys are around really? How many options do they actually have with guys asking them out. Now they have social media, tinder, and the hyper reality that makes them think they can spread their legs for any celebrity, athlete, the top men. Where does this lead the average man compared to the average women? They're told to improve as much as possible to get sex from the average women, while the average girl is told to look as good as possible.

StunningEstates · 2021-01-27T20:58:28+00:00

I’d be all with you if the woman’s main problem was anywhere near as likely to happen as the guy’s.

I think most guys would agree, thinking there’s a tiny chance a guy might hit you (which in that chance, there’s a an even tinier one that you wouldn’t just be able to leave afterwards) would be worth all the benefits women have dating wise

StunningEstates · 2021-01-27T20:58:34+00:00

I’d be all with you if the woman’s main problem was anywhere near as likely to happen as the guy’s.

I think most guys would agree, thinking there’s a tiny chance a guy might hit you (which in that chance, there’s a an even tinier one that you wouldn’t just be able to leave afterwards) would be worth all the benefits women have dating-wise

cloudsongs_ · 2021-01-28T00:11:29+00:00

I disagree, I think it's hard for stubborn people who like to stick to one extreme end of an argument that will refuse to understand what it's like to be a woman or man.

Edit: Had to re-write my sentence because I think I had stroke in the middle of writing it it

ultrasuperthrowaway · 2021-01-28T05:18:47+00:00

That’s true in terms of the one topic of dating but there are many other ways to relate to eachother.

We can both feel the sweet sunlight and smell the sweet mist when sailing my boat in the Mediterranean.

We can both experience worldclass entertainment and taste the incredible cuisines that the planet has to offer us.

We can both relish in a deep massage poolside in the Caribbean while feeling the sensation of a Coconut Rum drink flowing through our veins.

Don’t focus on what separates us, focus on what brings us all together.

Rygir · 2021-01-29T03:36:40+00:00

I can find common ground with ants, fish and probably even dirt. Someone of the same species should be easy.

escapethesolarsystem · 2021-01-27T16:22:14+00:00

The problem isn't that men and women can't relate, the problem is when people (mainly women) don't have sympathy for what the other gender is going through, and pretend their problems are the only ones that matter. But then again, women are naturally self-centered and solipsistic, so that's not unexpected.

Men just have to understand women will never care about them or their problems, because women literally don't have the emotional capacity to care about anyone but themselves (and occasionally their children / family and very occasionally the one man they are actually in a relationship with).

smasher187 · 2021-01-27T14:47:41+00:00

lol, where do people come up with this stuff?

No, not everyone has failed relationships.

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BeepBeepSaysTheJeep · 2021-01-27T16:00:45+00:00

The dating game is a woman's world. Get used to it, or get gud.

TheLotusLover · 2021-01-27T17:18:04+00:00

Though most men aren't rapists/murderers, fearing for your safety on a date is still rational considering most rapists/murderers aren't Hannibal Lecter types, they're ordinary, frustrated chumps.
If rejection causes you trauma or...soul-destroying torture...you need to toughen up a bit, or seek therapy as you probably have trauma from something that happened LONG before.
Maybe the only solution is to communicate and empathise with the experiences of the opposite sex, but in an alienated, narcissistic, hyper-individualised society, that probably won't happen.

PMmeYourHopes-Dreams · 2021-01-27T14:23:04+00:00

You didn't compare men and women, you compared Victoria Secret models and ugly neckbeards.

hurrem-hutan · 2021-01-27T14:05:18+00:00

Yup, they are like two species diverging with no way to bring them back together as they don't want to be.

SaBahRub · 2021-01-27T17:06:00+00:00

Most people do just fine. Are all your family members alone? What about your coworkers? Ever been to Wal-mart?

bearsfan231 · 2021-01-27T17:31:32+00:00

The mental gymnastics in this thread lmao. I've learned that no one really gives a shit about your issues, just keep it to yourself.

ready2rope · 2021-01-27T15:10:56+00:00

Yep. and users here constantly have a tendency to erase experiences mentioned by the opposite sex. My favourite example of this is, "oh, you're a woman? Well I am a man and I am incel and I cannot get sex, therefore my life sucks way more than yours possibly could in any conceivable way!!! You don't know what it's like to be rejected!!!!"

PMmeareasontolive · 2021-01-27T17:17:13+00:00

It is a kind of cosmic joke that each views the other as "having it easier", yet each is completely inept in just those things that are supposed to be easy for them.

AbnormalBias · 2021-01-27T17:44:42+00:00

The problem is culture is pushing absolute equality between men and women in sports, business, education, etc, and ignoring their differences. Men have been brainwashed by culture to treat women like guys, leading them to fuck up every "friends-first" flirtation attempt.

Women may have a higher-purpose desire for economic and social parity with men, but at their core they don't want to be men, they want to be women, a condition which doesn't square with economic equality between the genders (as women will very rarely date a man below their own income level).

AngelWeyesDelRey · 2021-01-27T16:01:40+00:00

I will say although I agree with the overall sentiment, I do think this sub tends to exaggerate the whole “women have full inboxes, our lifes are easy”. Some of it gets almost comical to read. I am a woman yes and I dont doubt its easier for us to get sex. But most women dont just want sex. Men are the gatekeepers of relationships. I don’t know what its like to be a man though so I might downplay how tough it is? Cant say....

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ThrowawayCOVID999 · 2021-01-28T01:25:27+00:00

Maybe there is a common ground but it’s not marriage

sigma1932 · 2021-01-28T07:17:35+00:00

No, modern women refusing to engage in the necessary compromise for a healthy, mutually beneficial relationship is what makes it impossible to find common ground in dating.

2021-01-31T02:24:04+00:00

Dating and getting any form of affection/sex is objectively easy for women, period.

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2021-01-27T22:05:14+00:00

Men are always potential abusers. Stop gaslighting us. A woman who is too trusting will absolutely get fucked over. There's a reason women tend to more guarded. If it was "irrational," not every woman would be like that, but we are and there's a reason. It's for our protection.

As for your other points, I agree. As someone who's 26 and female and has only had sex a few times, I will never for the life of me understand why guys whine about celibacy so much.

In my mind, I'm like, I've been horny for years with pretty much no outlet because guys don't like me, and that's okay. Guys act like the world is ending because they can't get some or they become raging misogynists. So yes, I guess I completely misunderstand men's sexuality because for me, there's more to life than sex and I guess for men that's not true.

2021-01-27T18:08:21+00:00

Men ran so women could walk 🏃🏻‍♂️🚶🏼‍♀️

Zombombaby · 2021-01-27T16:18:54+00:00

I don't think fearing for your life is the same level as mild rejection after a first date. Honestly, it's the fact you guys seem so keen on dividing the sexes that you're isolating yourselves further from women.

Truth is, we're all individuals and are fallible human beings.

rathyAro · 2021-01-27T18:47:30+00:00

We are not. Men and women are fundamentally the same imo, but with different emphasis on different qualities. I think of it like an rpg with a tank and an assassin. They both have very different roles, but fundamentally they do the same shit. They attack, they move, etc. To access that common ground takes an extremely high level of self awareness than many men are just not interested in getting to. Particularly the guys here. Your typical rper or black piller prefers to reduce men to fuck robots than to acknowledge insecurities, desire for companionship, etc. Women can also be too self-absorbed to notice another person's struggle (regardless of gender), but on this board the issue is more about being defensive. If someone says something like "women have no problems, they just fuck chad whenever they want" the response is not going to be compassion and understanding lol. This will sound like I'm blaming men (really just blaming black and red pillers), but any common ground is going to come from red and black pills toning their anger towards women waaaay down and not clinging to their autistic philosophies like a religion.

2021-01-27T15:27:22+00:00

I disagree in only one place but it's a crucial one.

Men and women can't find common ground, Or, at least, they aren't finding common ground. But it's not for the reasons you're suggesting. It's because women cannot empathize at all, identify with, or even mentally understand, the problems men have in dating. They're unable to do it. They can't choose to do it. They are literally mentally and constitutionally unable to do it.

The lack of common ground is also because men either (1) mistakenly identify the wrong reasons for women's conduct; or (2) choose to look past women's dating problems and don't care about taking the time to intellectually figure it out. (This last category of men are the ones who do best with women. Those men don't even care to figure it out; and those are the men that women love the most. Women love fucking men who don't care about them....)

Men can mentally comprehend the problems women have. It's just that men don't care about them, or don't care enough to try to understand. Once a man does make the effort, though, it comes through clear enough for him to get a workable understanding of women's experiences. A tiny fraction of men actually experience women's main problem of "can get sex anytime I want, quality sex most of the time, but can't get commitment from an attractive person". But men intellectually understand it, and the other problems women have, like the problems caused by their indirect communication styles. Hell, TRP has an entire subcategory/subfield dedicated to teaching men about that and how to navigate it.

The problem isn't that men CAN'T. They try and fuck it up; or don't care to find out. The problem isn't that women DON'T. It starts with "they can't and therefore don't."

TheLotusLover · 2021-01-27T17:07:47+00:00

Irrational? Haha wow spotted the man. Or should I say boy.

nsquared5 · 2021-01-27T16:04:20+00:00

I lived in a bad art of town when I didn't have enough money and had a few incidents of getting threatened and all.

Doesn't mean I'm 'on guard' all the time or some shit.

Women are just crazy and want to overblow every situation.

2021-01-27T18:04:57+00:00

This sounds like it was written by someone with no relationship experience. Relationships are difficult and often miserable. The peace, quiet, and predictability of being single far outweighs what minuscule benefit most women bring to a relationship.

DammitZelda · 2021-01-27T22:37:43+00:00

You have a very skewed view of the world my dude. Being rejected by a handful of women isn't torture.

sunfloweringg · 2021-01-28T05:24:23+00:00

I always thought it was interesting how women and girls who were considered “ugly” most of their youth and never had a date, and were never asked out, were rejected, bullied, used that to power themselves to become successful, incredible, inspirational women who achieve amazing things that change the world, while men who go through that use it as an excuse to become Incels, and develop irrational hatred for women, and blame society for their problems. So yeah. I guess we are pretty incomparable. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

Sea-Buffalo · 2021-01-27T15:55:17+00:00

The relationship of a man and woman used to be a symbiotic and mutualistic.

Now it’s become one where women have become parasites to men. I don’t mean that to be mean but just from a honest perspective.

A woman sees a man as a provider and security. If he isn’t making money and providing he has no purpose for her.

Years ago women wanted to build up a man but now mostly women want to find a man who is already self made and enjoy his resources.

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mensahi41 · 2021-01-27T16:17:16+00:00

"Similarly, most women will never be able to relate to an empty inbox online, and constant looks of disappointment or suspicion from male strangers when entering a room."

Because I am nice to women and don't tell them their fears are irrational.

Yes, I agree. Men seem too crude and negative to relate to. I'm aware they think women are similarly too sensitive and difficult to relate to. This seems like the crux of the problem.

huhuhuhuh11 · 2021-01-28T03:17:43+00:00

This post is so fucking stupid 🤗

The-Pax-Bisonica · 2021-01-27T16:07:52+00:00

I have a lot of common ground with my wife

GGMcThroway · 2021-01-27T17:59:11+00:00

Most of these problems can be solved with open, honest communication and empathy.

Title	Men and women's lives are too incomparable for us to find common ground on dating
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Date	January 27, 2021 11:29 AM UTC (3 years ago)
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