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Psychopathic men have an extreme focus on mating at the expense of other domains and tend to be “parasitic” fathers

September 16, 2022
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Why do psychopaths become parents? A study published in Evolutionary Psychological Science suggests that people high in psychopathy focus primarily on mating, but often avoid parental or somatic investment (meaning the growth and maintenance of oneself).

“Additionally, we found that men higher in psychopathic traits were more likely to be fathers, even despite their lower time and energy spent with their children. Thus, psychopathic men might be parasitic fathers who have lots of children but export the care of those children onto the mothers and/or others,”

https://www.psypost.org/2022/09/psychopathic-men-have-an-extreme-focus-on-mating-at-the-expense-of-other-domains-and-tend-be-parasitic-fathers-63664

EDIT: I see that a lot of guys are ignoring the part about psychopaths being extremely focused on mating, and jumping straight to the "be an asshole" part. Red Pill for Red Pillers, forget everything you saw on TV, psychopaths behave like charming supersimp and they do it with a loooot of women.

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Title Psychopathic men have an extreme focus on mating at the expense of other domains and tend to be “parasitic” fathers
Author smallstarseeker
Upvotes 110
Comments 157
Date September 16, 2022 8:56 PM UTC (4 months ago)
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[–]DarkBrandon46 65 points66 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its OVER for mentallysanecels

[–]CanYouTieThemInABow 38 points39 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Psychopaths are known to be really good at getting people interested in short term relationships, friendships, etc, but they suck at actually maintaining those relationships long term.

Many psychopaths are very charismatic, and they tend to be somewhat socially dominant. This is all very sexually attractive. The thing is, if you actually get to know the guy for a while, you inevitably find that he's a major asshole.

I knew a guy that I considered a friend who turned out to be very dark triad. He was incredibly attractive, but managed to piss all of us off to the point of going no contact within about a month and a half. Just an utter asshole. And in retrospect, there were a lot of "he did say he was like that..." moments. He wasn't hiding anything, though we didn't always think he was being serious. His jokes were often real stories said in a jokey tone of voice.

I wonder if this finding still holds true if we look at cultures that don't have much casual sex. Though of course psychopaths are also more likely to be rapists, so it still might.

[–]KamuiObito 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are y’all sure it’s psychopaths? Psychopaths are the people with never ending LSD trips that hear voices and see “dead people” ..damn that word has been used i the wrong light so much nobody’s even realizes it’s not just a label for sb who’s antisocial..that would be a sociopath..phycopaths are schizophrenic and bipolar..usually in psyc wards and have difficulties staying focus let alone dating and talking to the opposite gender..my bro is a literal psychotic person who experience voices and seeing things that aren’t there and delusional thinking…he ain’t just being selfish and self absorbed and narcissistic like a SOCIOPATH is. 2 different things..1 is literally insane mentally(psychopaths) ..and one has a lack of reaction, concern and introspective thinking when it comes to hurting others (sociopath)

[–]CanYouTieThemInABow 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're thinking of schizophrenia.

[–]KamuiObito 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea the medical term for schizophrenia,schizoaffectiv, and bipolar schizophrenia and psychosis are all psychopaths..they send them to the psych ward to see psychiatrist..sociopath is what is being described here medically..not socially we have made psychotic or phycopaths out to be selfish, greedy and or serial killers ..when it’s a umbrella term for mentally disturbed people..I know this cuz my brother is an actual psychotic person and got diagnosed with PSYchosis..which could be limited to 1 psychotic episodes or constant psychotic episodes..I know all about it cuz I’ve seen them in real life..they aren’t usually stable enough to do relationships as their red flags show more then any other mental issue..my brother literally tries to fight my mother and sister and hates women (only during his psychotic episodes). If a women was trying to date a man like this she’d know and have to experience bouts of episodes and probably have to calm him down for the 7th time tonight cuz he thinks a drone strike is gonna hit their house any second(delusional thinking this actually happened )

[–]BSOFH-LO9C 36 points37 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The Hare Psychopathy Checklist which was probably used to measure the psychopathic traits was only intended for research in forensic populations, i.e. prison populations. It is skewed towards that population.

[–]parahacker 18 points19 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Get out of here with your facts and nuance, you're not welcome

only hysterical surface-level psychology is allowed here

[–]Stunning-Potato-1984 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

"probably"?

[–]BSOFH-LO9C -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The paper is behind a paywall.

[–]Stunning-Potato-1984 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So you're just guessing?

[–]GlamSunCrybabyMoon 29 points30 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Psychopathic men would not be against stealthing and baby trapping women to continue to be able to control and manipulate them for at the very least 18 years. They know being a mother makes it hard to date, get a high paying job, and can destroy your body. They also probably have no qualms about abandoning a child and having a new one when they get tired of their situation.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Good point.

[–]Final_Philosopher663 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think I read somewhere that common psychopathic behavior is passing yourself as the victim when you are the dominant one in a relationship.

[–]HellsteelzNo Pill 56 points57 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

This shouldn't come as a surprise for anyone.

Women decide who has sex and who gets them pregnant. Psychopaths are extremely charming and manipulative at the same time, thus have a easier time getting sex from women.

[–]DarkBrandon46 31 points32 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Gotta Psychopathmaxx bro

[–]HellsteelzNo Pill 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

True true.

Need to work on my manipulation game.

[–]DarkBrandon46 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Just follow The D.E.N.N.I.S. System

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because of the implication you mean?

[–]PCSX217 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"I'm guna kill you bitch"

[–]I_took_both_pill 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm confused. I thought we had to sociopathmaxx. Now its psychopathmaxx. Can't we just have some consistency.

[–]FFTzzzIslam is wrong about everybody. 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We need to max both.

[–]ChowMeinSinnFein 24 points25 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women decide who has sex and who gets them pregnant. Psychopaths are extremely charming and manipulative at the same time, thus have a easier time getting sex from women.

It's also worth saying that quite a large number of women are attracted to anti-social behavior directly rather than it being a secondary consequence of it being a psychopath.

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This is true. The biggest manwhore at my high school was a dude who never interacted or got along with other guys, he was either always by himself or with a group of women.

[–]manytalents99 -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like me 😂🤣

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean I'm the same way now and it still proves to be true. Back in high school I never talked to girls and only had male friends, but after it flipped completely. The women I meet now think I'm so "MyStErIoUs" lol

[–]sparklyyblueberryy 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most aren't. It's if anything confidence women are attracted to but together with prosocial behaviour.

[–]ThisPersonBad 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Psychopaths are extremely charming and manipulative at the same time, thus have a easier time getting sex from women.

Source: psychologytoday and netflix

[–]HellsteelzNo Pill 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, Buzzfeed only.

[–]KamuiObito 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Psychopaths aren’t charming at all actually..sociopath are ig..psychopaths hear voices and say random things that don’t make sense..who did this study and why does it say psychopaths instead of sociopath..cuz that’s more of the narcissistic and self absorbed personalitiesthese pelle are sane..psychopaths aren’t sane at all mentally

[–]HellsteelzNo Pill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is very little to no evidence to support that psychopaths hear voices in their head. They basically have to be coupled together with schizophrenia or a psychosis in order for that to be true. Psychopathy is often linked to anti-social behaviour, that is the biggest indicator someone might have psychopathy.

One other thing people get wrong is that they think psychopathy is a mental disorder, it's not. Psychopathy is a personality disorder.

[–]KamuiObito -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are in fact correct. Can you even gauge lack of emotion? How is psychotic and psychopath not the same they exhibit literally the same behavior..interesting most ppl who are psychopaths have to be experiencing something to make them less reactive I’ve seen a psychotic episode and antisocial behavior is what I’d describe it as..lack of remorse..all these same traits show in a schizophrenic/psychosis person..guess they just want to differentiate the two..but they have the same traits.

[–]Cult_of_ChadNo Pill 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

psychopaths behave like charming supersimp

Holy shit, this makes perfect sense. 'Antisocial' personalities are what's left when you strip out everything but the mating drive. They're fucking cuckoos. Of course evolution would throw out something so vile. 🤢

[–]Authentic2017 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can confirm. Dad is highly psychopathic and growing up flirted and got with a lot of women by acting in a very agreeable, always smiling, simpy, charming way. He was an asshole ofc but only to people he couldn’t gain from. These women never saw that side of him until way later.

[–]ThisPersonBad 23 points24 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Only have my personal experiences and stories. Not a huge sample size but the women who attach themselves to truly psycopathic men tend to be very vile people themselves.

[–]I_took_both_pill 12 points13 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But are these women hot?

[–]ThisPersonBad 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Which is the question that follows, naturally. As it turns out, beauty is in the eye when you hold her.

[–]I_took_both_pill -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Beauty is in the of the beholder.

All I have to say in regard to that is:

If any wretch have put this in your head

Let heaven requite it with the serpent’s curse.

[–]ThisPersonBad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Amen dabs

[–]space_dan1345 10 points11 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

So are we supposed to take away that psychopaths suck? Or what's the point?

[–]EnteFetzBlackpill Man 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The takeaway is that psychopaths are evolutionary successful and future generations will have more psychopaths than ever before.

[–]smallstarseekerDogs don’t deserve us. ❤️[S] -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a scientific study.

Take away whatever you want.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is it even a good scientific study?

[–]KamuiObito 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t even think this is right cuz they are describing antisocial, narcissistic and SOCIOPATHIC behavior..psychopaths hear voices and see things that aren’t there..they are the homeless people you see on the streets..you know the crazy old person who is weird? It’s probably not drugs simply having phycosis/schizophrenia can do that to you..the study is taking a shot sociopath which are people who don’t feel remorse for what they do to others..narcissistic can feel remorse but ignore it..sociopath literally can’t or don’t feel things like guilt,pride,sadness,happiness as much as normal ppl their emotional state is constantly dull..these be sane people who still know the difference between right and wrong..psychotic people can’t cuz they are constantly having hallucination and delusional thoughts along wit irrational decision making

[–]Flightlessbirbz 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

psychopaths behave like charming supersimp

Have been pursued by a psycho, and yes. They are assholes, but they sure as hell don’t show it when they’re after a woman. Everything they do is designed to fool you into thinking they are Prince Charming. The only thing I would point out, is that many/most women do NOT ultimately fall for the act, in the beginning yes, but not long enough to actually have kids with the guy. But that doesn’t matter, because enough women will, and they will keep trying until they succeed. I just want to point that out because too many men will say things like “women love psychopaths,” when most really don’t, at least not for long. It’s just that enough are fooled.

[–]Psych_FI 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

This. Even Jordan Peterson had said pick up artists are psychopathic and encourage psychopathic behaviour.

The red pill and pick-up artist spaces are awful because they foster an attitude that dating and sex doesn’t require morals. This just results in lack of trust and people disengaging from dating.

[–]ThisPersonBad 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Jordan Peterson is trying to make men better players of a game that's no longer being played.

[–]Psych_FI 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even basic critical thinking should tell you a world where everyone is amoral is worse for everyone. A world where emulating psychopaths is a net negative to everyone.

It removes trust, compassion and willingness to participate.

[–]smallstarseekerDogs don’t deserve us. ❤️[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes but dating market is brutal for some men, and men do drop their moral values when struggle becomes too hard.

Hungry people are less charitable, and starving people will kill for food.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 20 points21 points  (94 children) | Copy Link

Average Joe: I just wonder why I have such a hard time getting a date when these assholes keep becoming fathers—

Women: OMG misogynistic pig ugh

😂

Watch what they do not what they say

Better yet WHO they do

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 18 points19 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I think psychopathic men go to a lot of effort to hide the fact that they are psychopathic.

[–]BrummieAMN19Cluster B PUA- Diagnosed NPD-UK 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Correct, same with those who are sociopaths and diagnosed narcissists we do not want you to know there's something off with us because of the social stigma associated with it. Red Pillers are hilariously stupid if they think we actually go mask off to women in regards to sleeping with them and thinking they can try to be us just by "practice".

[–]smallstarseekerDogs don’t deserve us. ❤️[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Red Pillers are hilariously stupid if...

Yup. A lot of RP men think that acting like a psychopath will make them Chads, but psychopaths enjoy success because they are not acting like psychopaths. So these wannabe Chads are shooting themselves in the foot.

It's not just about having sex with a woman, it's also about inflating own value. Guys are not going to lovebomb in public... however they will lovebomb in private, then act like cool assholes in public.

I do know how psychopaths work, I grew up with two of them. Trying to become one is a lost cause, we simply work in different ways on a fundamental level. I could act like one, but that would make me a deeply unhappy person, because using people makes me feel like shit.

[–]BrummieAMN19Cluster B PUA- Diagnosed NPD-UK 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly and because of the nature of ASPD it’s usually short term unless they are high functioning psychopaths and know (and care cause majority don’t) what’s going on. I just can’t believe these red pill guys actually believe those who are in the cluster B go completely mask off for women like no it’s social suicide and we can be under the radar because we’ve practiced our whole life. No we make people feel good and comes across as extremely charismatic. Some socially maladjusted dumbass reading that scammer Rollo tomassi’s article on dark triad and trying to implement how they think we act during small talk and short term relationships will fail miserably and will end up in trouble.

100% agree I’ve noticed one of my friends who is a psychopath is extremely extremely patient if necessary to in order to get what he wants so it can be a smooth process. These RP idiots cannot be patient enough along with being genuinely socially maladjusted as fuck so it’ll blow up in their face. And when those who have NPD or ASPD do the tactics known for like loveboming in the initial stages it’s extremely subtle, precise and congruent to the moment. And overall manipulating people you have to have above average social skills in order to do it successfully, can you imagine the average red or black pill guy acting like a psychopath when their social skills are in the pits of hell?

Exactly a psychopath they have an extremely extremely shallow range of emotions to not experiencing certain ones whatsoever, they have zero conscience and when you have zero remorse, no guilt, genuinely zero empathy it’s extremely easy to do what a psycho/sociopath and to a lesser extent one with NPD does. For a neurotypical empathy holds them back and neuroticism over social dynamics, let alone one who has zero social skills they’d crumble.

[–]insensitiveTwotNo Pill 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

“We don’t want you to know there’s something off with us”

Puts diagnosed NPD in user flair

🤔🤔

[–]BrummieAMN19Cluster B PUA- Diagnosed NPD-UK 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s the internet and I say so because I say certain things that piss off people as I’m mask off unfiltered. In real life I definitely definitely do not tell people unless they’re extremely close to me what I am.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 4 points5 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

So why can’t Joe get a date if they present the same?

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 9 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

you don't think men that aren't psychopaths get dates? They do, just to let you know.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece -2 points-1 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

They can but it leads to nothing and that ain’t right good dudes deserve access to pussy damn near at will imo

[–]-Ashera- 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because most of you aren’t charming. Something psychopaths are usually good at due to their manipulative nature

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Don’t say “you” I get pussy I’m just speaking the truth

[–]localmicrodosechamp 9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

do you not think psychopaths lie? this seems like an extremely naive take.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

But when Joe is nice and brings you flowers on the first date that’s weird but the psycho who hides it by making risqué jokes is “charming” lol

[–]localmicrodosechamp 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

nope. never heard of anyone not appreciating their date bringing them flowers. i've never had a guy buy me flowers in 20 years of dating. i unmatch people who tell gross jokes. u don't get it.

[–]Final_Philosopher663 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I remember the first time i bought flowers and had them under my jacket I got dumped just when we met and didnt even show the flowers to her . At least i didnt take it to heart and we were children back then.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wtf 20 years??? Hell nah I know a mf brought you flowers in 1998 come on now 😂

Well you like that soft shit so I get that you’d like it but too many women nowadays think it’s weird

I’d get you flowers though what do you want lil mama some tulips 🌷

[–]HeroinAndHeartbreak 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because Joe is more concerned about watering flowers than making her pussy wet. Girls want good dick not a box of chocolates. At least fuck first before you start doing all that romantic lovey-dovey stuff, or else you're just gonna look desperate and bizarre.

[–]Final_Philosopher663 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its a good practice when generalizing to believe that the "average" person will probably like an almost even mix of both. And that mix changes during the relationship or that person's mental state / short term problems etc.

[–]NikeTracksuit 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This woman is strangely based. I like it.

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 13 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

We don't know that they're dating more, just that they're becoming parents more. It'd be unsurprising if psychopaths simply cared about using contraception less or engaged in reproductive coercion more, for example.

[–]smallstarseekerDogs don’t deserve us. ❤️[S] 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of guys decide to ignore that part in which psychopaths are extremely focused on mating, and jump straight to the easy part... acting like an asshole.

[–]parahacker 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If we don't skip over that part, then what is the implication exactly? What exactly are you trying to say? If, say, non-psychopaths have at least a normal sex drive, then how do you explain anything over that resulting in more children - unless women are selecting for those kinds of men?

Should regular men be more focused on sex in order to compete? Are average guys just not trying hard enough, are they oversensitive to risk, what should change there for your regular Joe to be better represented than Patrick Bateman?

[–]IOportA 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

it would also be unsurprising if women wanted to get pregnant by a psychopath

[–]-Ashera- 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah man. Women everywhere are just dying to have children with a walking headache

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'd find that very surprising, actually.

[–]ApplesauceThegod 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That is something that I will say to both sides is that psychopath usually aren't the type that is going to be loving patient during sex

I can totally see a psychopathic guy not caring about a girl's consent or if she's on any pill or a condom

And whether it's media first or the girls attracted to them first a lot of these guys will get girls when they're young especially like in high school and if they imprints on young girls then those young girls are most likely going to follow that type of diet for the rest of their lives because that's all they know

[–]januaryphilosopherWoman/student/UK/radfem/makes first move/healthy BMI/bi/taken 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Psychopaths tend to fake being normal very well, especially if they haven't gotten what they wanted from people yet.

[–]-Ashera- 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They don’t really act normal. They tend to be more charismatic than most.

[–]poppy_blumonogamous slut apparently 11 points12 points  (52 children) | Copy Link

And they do millions of men who aren’t sociopaths.

Find another excuse.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece -2 points-1 points  (51 children) | Copy Link

There’s no excuse for a good man to get no pussy

[–]poppy_blumonogamous slut apparently 15 points16 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Legalize prostitution. My vagina is not the Red Cross.

[–]Eyesquirmy 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That was pretty funny ngl

[–]I_took_both_pill 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Psychopaths only right?

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Don’t flatter yourself who says he wants you 😂

I’m just speaking in general since women like to use the just world fallacy

[–]space_dan1345 10 points11 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

In my experience good men do just fine, men who think they are owed sex for being a minimally good human do bad

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 6 points7 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

And what about psychopaths how do they do?

[–]I_took_both_pill 5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Its not about being owed sex. I think the question some guys are asking is "Why the fuck am I bothering to even be a minimally good human".

Sure being able to virtue signal about "Contributing to society" may be good in some circles, but for others there is no fulfilment or sense of purpose in that.

Also, if being a good human being is so desirable, why is it psychopaths and assholes who get to be the daddies of kids.

Dark Triad Game is where it is at bruh.

If it wasn't, psychopaths wouldn't be given the "reward" of being a father.

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Being a good person isn't sexually attractive.

[–]-Ashera- 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is. Charming people are good or pretend to be good mixed with confidence and charisma, that’s what makes them charming. Y’all act like mentally abusive psychopaths are mask off from date #1. Even they’re on top game and their best behavior in the beginning. That’s how they pull you in.

[–]richard_golbes 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is "psychopath" the only form of "bad"?

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s a lot of bad Cluster A/B/C types and more according to the DSM-5

[–]LovesGettingRandomPm 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

this study is practically bullshit, you don't need a self assessment to predict that people who are selfish and callous and impulsive are less likely to spend time raising a child and are more interested in chasing women, that's in the diagnosis and the diagnosis has been around and evidenced for a number of years. Researchers are basically just piling useless papers on top of each other.

[–]IOportA 6 points7 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

Can a woman give some insight on why women are so attracted to psychopaths?

And don't tell me they hide it.

[–]BrummieAMN19Cluster B PUA- Diagnosed NPD-UK 9 points10 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Those who are in the cluster B spectrum because we lack certain emotions are forced to mimic and wear a mask to pretend we are neurotypical so to speak. So we know what people want to hear, those who are high functioning we do not show our "bad" traits only those who are low functioning do. This is why women and men say "they were so so charming at first" because we have extremely adept social skills just by studying and sizing up neurotypicals and calculating our next move. However usually from experience with myself and friends who have NPD and/or ASPD we attract women who have BPD or some form of neurodivergence on a long term basis, they are not mentally healthy women if I am honest.

[–]IOportA 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

What are some examples of things you do that would be considered charming?

[–]BrummieAMN19Cluster B PUA- Diagnosed NPD-UK 6 points7 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I am not psychopathic I am a narcissist but we do similar things so I will give a list and some of the stuff I do any normal person who has charisma and knows how to talk to women can do this.

  1. Constant testing to gauge where her levels of compliance are and generating it, so one example of testing for compliance is a yes ladder which is just baby stepping to your main goal. If you get compliance you move things forward, if you have negative compliance you dial it back or punish her behaviour until she complies.
  2. Emphaisation of vocal tonality
  3. Telling stories and actions that convey high value and amplifies attraction AKA the spark, you can make anything sound attractive just by framing your words properly. After that I build comfort AKA what women say as "get to know me as a person not just as a sex doll or piece of meat" so I do that by saying non physical things I like about her and finding commonality, this is all for getting sex btw I just say it as part of my calculated plan and because of number 2 and my body language they cannot tell that I am full of shit or largely exaggerating.
  4. Determining what the girl's archetype is and then putting on a mask, I determine this by how she carries herself. For example if she's an attention girl I would be giving and stripping validation away from her to make her chase and put her through an emotional rollercoaster and I can be a dickhead if I need to be.
  5. I am not afraid to make the interaction man to woman by body language and flirting something that isn't really a psychopathic thing to do but still
  6. I sexualise often but I am socially calibrated unlike most men who do it which makes me stand out in a womans eyes and I've got a good sense of humour
  7. I have low inhibition so girls see me as bold, daring and say "I have a presence that can't stop them from resisting me".

[–]-Ashera- 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Kinda crazy how the narcissist is one of the only people actually telling the truth here. Thanks for your insights, genuinely interesting stuff

[–]-Ashera- 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’d think it was common knowledge that making people feel comfortable and actually making them enjoy being around you attracts sexual mates, but so many people think doing the opposite is what will do it for them.

[–]DRTdog1996 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How do you go about making it sexual without them getting weird about it?

[–]NikeTracksuit 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

How many women did you fuck if I may ask?

[–]blueberrypie02 10 points11 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Why don’t you think the explanation is that they hide it in the beginning? After all dudes that have ex gfs that suffer from BPD say the same thing and after some time passes they show their true colours.

[–]IOportA 3 points4 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Because they don't hide it. If they hid being a psychopath or an asshole, and just acted like a normal guy, women wouldn't be attracted to them.

It's the psychopathic traits that women are attracted to, and I would like to hear a woman explain why.

As far as women with BPD, they have tremendous highs and tremendous lows, and they don't hide either of them. A BPD woman who is high will fuck you silly, suck your dick and make you breakfast naked. Men love that and are willing to go through the lows to get back to the high.

[–]blueberrypie02 9 points10 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yes they do hide it-they are charming, pathological liars that are good at deceiving other people around them. Look at the list of traits of psychopaths-you can’t genuinely tell me you can’t find the combination of traits that makes them appealing in the beginning.

Women with BPD lead with their highs when they get in a relationship-and just like a man is willing to go trough the lows and have some poop in his bed due to his maladaptive attachment, so do women that get involved with psychopaths.

[–]IOportA 5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

genuine psychopaths on death row get piles of love letters from women who know nothing more about them than their horrific crimes, so yes, a psychopath's traits make them appealing from the beginning. Just as the BPD woman's traits make her appealing from the beginning.

For example, what do you mean by charming? What does a psychopath do in the beginning that is charming? Is it the same thing nice guys do that get them ignored?

[–]17milestoempty🖤 black pill lady with pink pill energy 💖 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never dated a psychopath.. or anyone who displays “asshole” traits. However, most true psychopaths are very charismatic and manipulative, so they absolutely hide their worst traits until they have a woman’s commitment and then use gaslighting and shaming tactics to isolate women until they’re completely dependent on the abuser (psychopath) and can’t leave easily.

Frog in boiling water mentality.

[–]IOportA 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i believe the psychopathic traits are what actually make them "very charismatic"

And what do you mean by manipulative? bossy?

[–]ApplesauceThegod 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thank you and that's why I kind of get tired of the whole Psychopaths hide their true intentions argument

In high school all of my friends male and female knew exactly who the Psychopaths were and the girls who were saying stayed away from him

These guys are literally walking red flags and it's not a lot to notice it because you can tell based on how they treat people

If you originally think she's better than everybody and literally talks to anybody like trash and he's probably not good

[–]BrummieAMN19Cluster B PUA- Diagnosed NPD-UK 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes they do, you wouldn't know a genuine psychopath just from a few interactions unless you are either in the cluster B spectrum, raised around similar people or a literal expert in body language. They are extremely good at being charming and lying to people in general. It's the micro body language neurotypicals take for granted they mirror and its subtle. In secondary school more of our "bad" traits, you mention come about but we quickly adapt and learn its better to get what you want by appealing to emotion rather than forceful compliance.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Social dominance.

[–]IOportA 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

go on

[–]Laytheblameonluck 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I should say social dominance heirarchy.

If you search around Reddit, you'll read comments like how some women get turned on when their husbands/boyfriend gets angry at subordinates at work and things like that.

They never possibly consider that the man might treat them the same, because they view things through a social dominance heirarchy lens, and believe the other men are below them in the heirarchy, moreover they believe if they shack up with the guy, they will go up the heirarchy.

And of course these men are always peacocking like this because they know it.

Historically it wasn't a problem because society was more structured, with educated and wealthy men more separated from thugs, or men used to carry swords and such to stop the peacocking.

[–]-Ashera- 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women who like their men subjugating subordinates probably have narcissistic qualities themselves. She thinks she’s special and better than those people so he’d never treat her like that right? I never get women who build relationships with men they stole from someone else, as if he’d never cheat on her because she’s so special. Nah girl, you’re just kind of stupid and vain

[–]nemma8834/F/UK Engaged 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Watch things like Tinder swindler etc. I know you don't want to hear they hide it but that's basically what it is. They are flattering, charming and target more vulnerable women. It's convincing precisely because it's effortless for someone who has no concept of morality, normal people could not lie as convincingly.

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[–]andrejusilva123 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

We already know that women are attracted to psychopaths.

[–]PM_Happy_Puppy_PicsPurple Pill Man 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am commenting here because I don't really know how to change your view, but the difference between a "Red Pill" guy and a psychopath is immense. A psychopath literally does not feel guilty and has no remorse. He acts like he feels guilty, pretends to have remorse, but doesn't actually feel it at all. That makes the way he reacts very different from an average guy, but it mimics a guy who is supremely confident because a psychopath (and sociopath) actually believes he is the best person in the room and better than everyone else.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Historically they may have been more likely to breed but those children would have been less likely to reach adulthood.

[–]Abstract_KnightExaggeration of misanthropy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Redpill theory about why women get harassed finally explained lmao.

[–]dbz19_kai 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What's a psychopath? The definition is basically someone who lacks normal empathy. How many "normal" people are psychopaths? From what I gather, a surprising number of men and women lack empathy for other humans.

I think to be a go getter and focused on getting what you want, you do have to have a certain level of self-centredness. Taken to the extreme, this can be psychopathy, or the other term, sociopathy.

[–]KamuiObito 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you meant sociopath..cuz phycopaths usuallt are in psych wards and hospitals and be the bums you see doing weird shii..sociopath is more antisocial behavior that’s only beneficial to the person.. very narcsistic people usually are sociopaths..physcoptahs is schizophrenic and physcosis..I know this cuz my brother isn’t stringing along Multiple women but he is suffering with being a crazy person now..

[–]Holiday-Reach-8948 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they’re psychopaths! They do not care about anything so long as their needs are met and why would that be different when it comes to mating?

The real question is why women mate with them. As a woman, I don’t get it. And there seems to be more women with these type of guys than with… non-psychopaths. You’d think they’d eventually wise up. I dated a few pricks (not psychopaths, but certainly 5 star assholes) and wised up real fast. I very often, literally pray, to be thankful for a gentle and kind husband.

[–]I_took_both_pill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

>EDIT: I see that a lot of guys are ignoring the part about psychopaths being extremely focused on mating, and jumping straight to the "be an asshole" part. Red Pill for Red Pillers, forget everything you saw on TV, psychopaths behave like charming supersimp and they do it with a loooot of women.

What is your point in this EDIT. Dating and relationships is mostly a numbers game anyway.

Cold Approach means approaching 100's of women

Swipe Apps/Online Dating : Messaging 100's of 1000's of woman

What is the purpose of your comment. Plenty of guys do have an extreme focus on mating. Why the hell do you think there is a massive online community dedicated to Sexual Strategy?????

[–]Cult_of_ChadNo Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

EDIT: I see that a lot of guys are ignoring the part about psychopaths being extremely focused on mating, and jumping straight to the "be an asshole" part.

Yup. They conveniently missed the point.

[–]Barely-moralRed leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It is only logical. People tend to move through the path of least resistance. People with ASPD included.

When you don't have a conscience and you don't really care about people as humans but you see them as tools instead then the path of least resistance is quite different than it would be if you were neurotypical.

Mating gives benefit to the man with ASPD, so he focuses on it. No reason not to. He feels nothing for the resulting child nor for the mother so the path of least resistance remains focusing on mating and ignoring those two as they are not good tools to give him the benefit he looks for.

Parenting requires effort and the only thing that makes people do it is that a normal brain makes you love your children and rewards you with good feelings when you do good for them and punishes you with bad feelings if you do bad for them.

Remove that and there is no reason to invest in parenting except to use parenthood as a mask of normalcy or a tool of manipulation.

[–]BrummieAMN19Cluster B PUA- Diagnosed NPD-UK 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

If you know are you more on the sociopathic or psychopathic spectrum of ASPD? I'd add also when you genuinely cannot feel remorse or guilt you have a level of zero fucks given that a neurotypical can never reach because they care too much about social rules and others. That comes across as attractive because its seen as non neediness and abundance mindset. I agree with everything you say here apart from sociopathic parents can't feel love for their kids or even their closest friends, I think this depends on how far you are on the spectrum I believe they can but its not the conventional way and it will take exceptionally great effort to ignite that emotion.

[–]Barely-moralRed leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

If you know are you more on the sociopathic or psychopathic spectrum of ASPD?

Neither me nor my therapist found the distinction to be something clear or useful. Since it is something debates and not officially recognized yet I don't even know what you mean by those terms. Please elaborate in your definitions and I will tell you where I fit in the spectrum.

In my experience most definitions are not useful because they describe what the human with ASPD does with their condition instead of describing the details of their condition.

I'd add also when you genuinely cannot feel remorse or guilt you have a level of zero fucks given that a neurotypical can never reach because they care too much about social rules and others. That comes across as attractive because its seen as non neediness and abundance mindset

In this I will say that looks and status trump that advantage any day of the week. Talking from experience.

I think this depends on how far you are on the spectrum I believe they can but its not the conventional way and it will take exceptionally great effort to ignite that emotion.

I find myself unable to feel in the traditional way but with some effort and maintaneance I can create a network of rules, behaviors and priorities that can emulate affection to the point that I can form meaningful relationships.

[–]BrummieAMN19Cluster B PUA- Diagnosed NPD-UK 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In regards to what I mean by the spectrum, I mean high functioning sociopath or psychopath and low functioning sociopath or psychopath. My therapist defined it for NPD(a high functioning or low functioning narcissist) but said that it applies to ASPD also and a few of my friends who have ASPD have experienced and agreed that its a spectrum because we are so different personality wise.

High functioning socio/psychopath would be able to hold down a job, have some form of sustainability in their relationships, when interacting with people you wear a "mask" where you come across as friendly, open, straightfoward, easy going, likeable etc. In regards to manipulation, you'd be more sly, and calculating or you wouldn't need to bother using it in an interpersonal relationship unless its essential. In layman's terms you are aware of what's going on and you know how to control yourself from doing "bad" things in the eyes of society.

Low functioning would be stereotypes associated with socio/psychopaths such as extremely poor impulse control, not holding down a job, compulsive and excessive lying, not being able to recognise why manipulation is "bad" and "wrong" and the types where those with ASPD end up in prison. They do not know and/or care to cover up their antisocial behaviour.

I agree with this for all Cluster B disorders because how it manifests is never identical its a very diverse set of individuals based on many variables.

Yes I'd say we're pretty similar except I have a higher range of emotions+you don't give a damn about anything in the traditional sense, having ones own moral code rather than following the "conventional" route and being rigid towards it. So only doing things you are okay with and not doing things you aren't okay with.

[–]Barely-moralRed leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh. If we are talking about being functional while living with the condition then I am high functioning.

I learned to create my own code and perspective to channel my ego and desire for superiority into actions that benefit others. That way I can hold on a job and form relationships.

My masks are varied and functional. Manipulation is something I do in a constant basis but I am aware of it and I don't do it if I am going to cause unnecesary harm to anyone. Manipulation is just a tool and I use it with care.

The distinction between sociopath and psychopath you use is based on how well does someone function/deal with the ASPD condition then?

Yes I'd say we're pretty similar except I have a higher range of emotions+you don't give a damn about anything in the traditional sense, having ones own moral code rather than following the "conventional" route and being rigid towards it. So only doing things you are okay with and not doing things you aren't okay with.

Well now I am curious. I will check some comments to form an opinion.

[–]Purple317 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Off topic, but just curious, have you ever done an AMA thread? I’d be fascinated…

[–]Barely-moralRed leaning purple-seal. Diagnosed ASPD 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I never did it and I would not know where to put that or who would be interested. I always answer anyone that contacts me through reddit private msgs though.

[–]I_took_both_pill -2 points-1 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

So women like having kids with Psychopaths?

Question: How does one become a psychopath?

I suppose, I am meant to join society in saying men are evil when reading this, followed by flattering things about women and how they are just mere victims, as they obviously have no agency what so ever in who they fuck and have kids with.

However, as far as sexual Strategy goes all this post does is point out that psychopaths have lots of children.

As far as sexual strategy goes, I am a man, things I worry about are is the kid man, who is the daddy, is a woman into me, my wallet or my status. As far as psychopaths abandoning kids go, I do not aim to have sex with male psychpaths. As far as reproduction goes, even if I did wish to have a kid with a male psychopath, due to biology man cannot make man pregnant, so this information is irrelevent. All it does is point out that being psychopath === lots of kids === lots of sex.

[–]Longshot_56No Pill 8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How does one become a psychopath?

They're born that way. Nearly all psychopaths have a genetic mutation that prevents the production of an enzyme that breaks down serotonin at the synaptic cleft. The gene to produce this enzyme is recessive and located in the X chromosome, which is why there are more male psychopaths than female psychopaths.

[–]8m3gm60 -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

All psychopaths have a genetic mutation

Source? How the fuck would they prove something like that?

[–]Longshot_56No Pill 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–]8m3gm60 -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So you don't understand what "association" means in psychological research? No one is claiming anything about "all psychopaths".

[–]I_took_both_pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thankyou for the insight in all seriousness.

However my response was not in good faith. But just gotta go with the flow on this weird and wonderful sub.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Why would that be desirable?

[–]I_took_both_pill 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Why would spreading my seed and having increased chances of my offspring surviving whilst beta billy foots the bill be desirable?

NEXT QUESTION PLEASE

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol yh you completely rewrote your comment after I'd replied to it.

Good luck pretending to be a psychopath though.

[–]I_took_both_pill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually I added to it.

But other than saying "become a psychopath" what is the actual point of this OP.

I am actually baffled.

I don't actually think its possible to pretend to be a psychopath, without seriously fucking up ones psyche (being serious now).

But yeah, what is the point of this OP.

This sub is full of weird shit, women suggesting that incels become rapists, people posting about dogs and god knows what else. I havn't been here since Lockdown and its somehow gotten wierder.

[–]IOportA -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

its not hard, just lie to a woman and say you've been to jail and watch her get wet.

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do what works for you and discard the rest

That’s the SMP in a nutshell

[–]smallstarseekerDogs don’t deserve us. ❤️[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So women like having kids with Psychopaths?

Or, psychopaths have more children because they have extreme focus on mating?

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't consider myself a psychopath but I'm always pretty focussed on "mating". Assumed all men were.

[–]-Ashera- 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah, you’re focused on sex. I doubt you’re trying to have children with every one night stand you’ve ever slept with.

[–]Antonija_Blagorodna -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So women would sooner have children with a psychopath than a boring guy. Got it.

[–]PirateDocBrown -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If we call men who behave like this psycopaths, what do we call it when women do it?

[–]throwawaycameraman36 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Empowered.

[–]WorkaholiconewNo Pill, Leaning red, Brazilian. -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

or... hear me out...

Men have a high sex drive, which makes us pursue it.

And because paying for it (by paying for/dealing with women and a child) is a hassle, most would rather avoid those.

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

a sample of 255

Whilst I agree with the premise, I’m taking this study with a grain of salt.

That said presumably psychopaths are still the minority. Not the majority.

[–]TATA456alawaife 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Makes sense. Psychopaths weren’t very well suited to survival in humanities early days, so had to pass on the genes fast.

[–]DiligentProgresses 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fuck the rational male time to read DSM V

[–]TermAggravating8043 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This makes a lot of sense

[–]Usain_Joseph 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The world is becoming a dark place, bye bye people

[–]fjfjjrbtvrvbsj 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Are there really that many "psychopaths" in society? Maybe narcissists.

[–]smallstarseekerDogs don’t deserve us. ❤️[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just about 1% of population are psychopaths. And about 25% of prison population.

[–]KamuiObito 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea physcopaths are usually schizophrenic people…there are a lot of sociopaths tho which is the correct term for what is being described..cuz psychotic people are usually omitted to a psych ward or hospital…or group home..they usually opt out of dating and relationships due to their constant delusional thinking and hallucinations of voices.

[–]IcarusKiki22F 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Psychopaths are little more than machines. I pity them - they are devoid of any creativity or spirit

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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