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Q4ALL: What does masculinity mean to you?

vanBeethovenLudwig
August 6, 2018
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Please state if you're a RP/BP man or woman.

Please do not take into consideration any negative connotations such as "toxic masculinity" or "patriarchy" or "chauvinism."

Simply, what does masculinity mean to you?

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Title Q4ALL: What does masculinity mean to you?
Author vanBeethovenLudwig
Upvotes 1
Comments 93
Date August 6, 2018 9:08 AM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–]wub12344 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think masculinity is an arbitrary set of standards of behaviour that we attempt to embody to some degree, but that don't reflect how we actually feel.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

I'm from a central Asian family. I was raised to see masculinity as giving up your own needs for the good of your family, charity, defending the weak, sharing and reciprocity, and being passionate and honorable in everything you do.

This is very different from Western ideas of masculinity. Competitiveness, aggressiveness, and greediness are seen as fairly dishonorable traits -- we have a duty even to help our enemies, and anyone who asks for food or a place to stay brings honor to the family that says yes.

Honor for us is a very big deal. If someone violates your honor or the honor of your family, you have a duty to kill them. This applies to people inside of your family as well. Honor killings happen when the men have to put aside their own personal feelings in order to uphold the honor of the family. When a man from your family violates the honor of someone else's family, all the men in your family are liable and suffer whatever consequence comes to them. This is part of men's sacrifice for the good of their family.

[–]Nodoxxintoxin2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The first two paragraphs were awesome. The third got a little weird for me, lol.

[–]ffbtawPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The first doesn't sound so good once you learn what honorable means.

[–]send_me_wholesomes 1 points [recovered]  (16 children) | Copy Link

Sums it up perfectly. Honour, independence, charity, and responsibility. My great grandfather, may he rest in peace, always helped people, and refused to take anything in return in any circumstance. He provided for his family and worked hard. Likewise with most if not all men in my family back in Poland. But then again, we're Eastern Europe, and from the countryside. And maybe don't go as far as honour killings, but the core ideas I can relate to.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

sums it up perfectly

Sure. And the savage barbaric practice of “honor killings”. Feminists here are overlooking that under this subhuman practice, fathers murder their own daughters. One would think the hardcore radfems on this board would shit their pants over that comment

[–]shoup88Report me bitch3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I didn’t read her comment as an endorsement of honour killings. More like just a statement that they are linked to her cultures idea of masculinity.

Maybe I’m not hardcore enough, but that hardly seems worth shitting your pants over.

[–]ZodiacBrave98Open Hypergamy Triggers Me0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, like seriously.

This isn't Karate Kid type honor. This is Isis.

[–]PostModernismKills 1 points [recovered]  (3 children) | Copy Link

I swear to God you people have brain damage.

[–]LewisCross 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Fuck off. Reported.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]YaAmar 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Feminists don't give a flying fuck about the women who were born in the world outside of America. They are too busy clamoring about some age gap while there's women in India and in the Middle-east getting killed by their fathers because their daughters dared to fuck a guy out of marriage, but you guys think anything happens to the guy who fucked her? right.

[–]cattermelon34ADHD medication is a feminist conspiracy2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a feminist I didn't realize I was ok with honor killings. Thanks for the update.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Slavs are honorary central Asians. My family loves Russians because they liberated us from the dirty Turks. Apparently life during the USSR was pretty good too.

[–]send_me_wholesomes 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

USSR tends to be glorified but I see where you're coming from. Are you from the Balkans?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No, central Asia... Underneath Russia, above Iran, next to China.

[–]wub12341 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

If someone violates your honor or the honor of your family, you have a duty to kill them. This applies to people inside of your family as well. Honor killings happen when the men have to put aside their own personal feelings in order to uphold the honor of the family. When a man from your family violates the honor of someone else's family, all the men in your family are liable and suffer whatever consequence comes to them.

I think what you're describing there isn't 'masculinity', it's the Mafia. Easy mistake to make, they both begin with the same two letters.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or street gangs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I suggest reading a sociology or anthropology book instead of just watching the Sopranos. Equating crime and money to what I wrote is exactly just Western chauvinism.

[–]wub12340 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't care about sociology, anthropology or the Sopranos.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ok. I guess I'm lucky then to receive your response.

[–]wub12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't know if I would go that far, it was just a little joke.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

While that's a clever turn of phrase, mafias are the unregulated reign of distilled masculinity

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Would that explain the universal appeal of mafiosi, biker gangs triads whatever to both men and women ? Men envy the honor and money and status of theses gangs and women are attracted to their masculinity ?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Biker gangs and mafiosi aren't masculine in our culture, they're decidedly what young boys do.

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They are in the west

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

of course i cant beleive this is even a question

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure lol, I was sure someone was gonna question that like always , I'm a bit disappointed

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is a great comment.

[–]prostate-apostatespectacle beta-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I thought honor killings were limited to Islam .

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Absolutely not, it predates Islam by millennia. It used to be practiced in Europe during the Roman ages.

My family isn't Muslim anyway.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honor killing within a family, though? That's rather unusual, by Western standards. Yes, the Romans had the concept of paterfamilias, and the paterfamilias had the power of life and death over family members. In fact, a Roman Senator was once leaving the Senate chambers when his father stabbed him to death on the steps of the Senate - and this was completely legal under Roman law.

[–]YaAmar2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honor killings have been taking place for thousands and thousands of years in every civilization known to men. I'm not sure how it was in the western nations a 1000 years ago, but to this day there's still women getting murdered in say rural India over some retarded shit.

[–]YaAmar3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm of Greek ancestry, South European and Middle-eastern blood. Men are expected to be extremely masculine, any show of emotion is a sign of weakness and I am more feminine than most men, in the way that I feel, the manner on which I express those feelings and how I always find myself lost in my emotions. I present to the world this apperance of outwardly detachment and coldnesss, and indifference to what happens to people around me.

Violence against women in the places where I come from is completely normal, and men are supposed to not care about the women they are with, they aren't supposed to see them as more than just a sex toy or incubator. And I'm the complete opposite.

i feel for them even when I'm so far away, getting worse when I'm near these women whose only sin in life was to be born in the wrong place at the wrong time, and I feel terrible because I can't overthrown a 1000+ year old patrhiarchal system that was built for ugly ass old men to rape women who are much younger and much more attractive than them.

I'm strange in the sense that most guys I know from these regions don't care about what women think of them, they don't care if women are sexually attracted to them or not, as long as they can get pussy - it's all good.

To me that is emotionally and internally wrong because I consider a woman sleeping with me without being attracted to be a crime made against them, against the temple of beauty that her body is. Yes, pedestalization on hard mode. That's why I have never visited a prostitute not even in my most dry of dry spells, and when guys that I know brag about visiting escorts, I cut them off my life.

Anyway.... Masculinity to me means physical power. It means being physically strong enough to protect the women and the children that you love. To take care of those that are weaker to you, and to never, never, cause physical or emotional pain in those that are defenseless. Women. The elderly people. And little animals.

Masculinity to me is King Leonidas. A 60 year old man who knew he was going to die if he did this, but he did. He marched and took 300 loyal men who also knew what was going to happen, and still they died in the name of something they believe. I would die for that, too. I would die for something that is very important to me, and sometimes there are people in our lives that we'd do anything to protect and to save.

That's masculinity.

Masculinity is not lifting iron and fucking 100 hoes. That's some ass insecure shit.

ALTHOUGH. I bet it's pretty fucking fun! Hehehe.

[–]iceicle9992 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Struggle, perseverance, intensity, willing to uphold what is right at any cost. Rage and intensity can be fun, but I also am aware of the necessity of smooth thinking. No human settlements ever prospered when men were solely offensive. There has to be some creativity there, some compassion, some reflecting, some intelligence.

[–]vanBeethovenLudwigroses are red, feminists are blue0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I totally agree, I've met some extremely masculine and artistic and creative men before. There's a lot of masculinity in quick thinking and smooth actions. I would barter that most of sexual game for men is intellectual, not just power or muscles.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia5 points6 points  (177 children) | Copy Link

BP man.

Masculinity is a social construct, meaning that it refers to qualities, habits and traits that a society considers to be typical or suitable for men. It's the standard upon which the Real Man is defined in that society.

These societal pressures associated with being a man include emotional toughness, courage, self-reliance, willingness to take risks, competitiveness, strength, etc.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs1 point2 points  (162 children) | Copy Link

Masculinity is a social construct

Do you believe it is entirely constructed. Or that the construction is based on narrow biological constrains?

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia7 points8 points  (161 children) | Copy Link

Do you believe it is entirely constructed.

It's a social construct because you can't define masculinity without specifying the historical and cultural context. Something that's masculine in one culture can be seen as feminine in another.

The ideas are based on sexual dimorphism, but they never accurately describe the biological reality of how men actually naturally tend to be. A lot of it are arbitrary standards (like pink being effeminate), but some do make sense (men are generally taller than women)

Men might have a higher pain threshold due to higher levels of testosterone, but the idea that men shouldn't ever cry is a rather new and rather western idea.

Western men are expected to have short hair and to not engage in too much grooming, but Maasai men spend hours each day making their hair beautiful while Maasai women just shave their head.

[–]BisquitBill 1 points [recovered]  (157 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but no, there is a thing called testosterone, and man have a wide range of emotions and feelings.

I say that in anticipation of your typically encyclopedic-long spouts about how men are worthless pieces of shit who are designed to serve women who you see as the perfect divine race capable of no wrong. And then, of course, you have your expression of outrage and indignity as an emotional appeal since you can't win an argument that men are inferior to women with out yourself seeming like an anti-male bigot.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia4 points5 points  (144 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, but no, there is a thing called testosterone, and man have a wide range of emotions and feelings.

How is this a counterargument to my comment?

I say that in anticipation of your typically encyclopedic-long spouts about how men are worthless pieces of shit who are designed to serve women who you see as the perfect divine race capable of no wrong. And then, of course, you have your expression of outrage and indignity as an emotional appeal since you can't win an argument that men are inferior to women with out make yourself appear like an anti-male bigot.

Are you aware of how delusional you sound? Nothing I ever said came even close to this description of yours.

You should really argue against the things I actually say instead of making up absurd strawman arguments based on the things you want to hear.

And let's not forget your favorite saying: "show me the proof".

Yes it's my favorite saying, because unlike TRP I require proof and not just my hurt feelings as a basis for theories.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (143 children) | Copy Link

Well let’s just focus on one of the things you said; competitiveness. The is plenty of research that supports the claim that competitiveness is correlated and caused by testosterone.

To say that competitiveness is purely a social construct is incorrect, no?

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia3 points4 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

To say that competitiveness is purely a social construct is incorrect, no?

Argue against my actual position and not against some absurd strawman arguments that you make up.

Protip: at least read the comments you reply to instead of just getting triggered at my flair color

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (24 children) | Copy Link

Dude, you said masculinity is a social construct and consider competitiveness masculine.

I’m not trying to strawman you.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

If you aren't trying to strawman me, then why are you doing it?

I said:

The ideas are based on sexual dimorphism, but they never accurately describe the biological reality of how men actually naturally tend to be. Men might have a higher pain threshold due to higher levels of testosterone, but the idea that men shouldn't ever cry is a rather new and rather western idea.

and for whatever reason you replied with:

The is plenty of research that supports the claim that competitiveness is correlated and caused by testosterone.

To say that competitiveness is purely a social construct is incorrect, no?

This shows that you either didn't read my comment at all or that you simply wanted to create an easy strawman to debunk.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here-1 points0 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I am replying to this comment specifically:

Masculinity is a social construct, meaning that it refers to qualities, habits and traits that a society considers to be typical or suitable for men.

Things that are associated with men due to biological inclinations cannot be described as a social construct. Even if that association is 1% nature and 99% nurture, it still can't be called a "social construct."

[–]BisquitBill 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes it's my favorite saying, because unlike TRP I require proof and not just my hurt feelings as a basis for theories.

yeah, its your favorite saying because its a tactical decision that you hope allows you to escape questions and discussion may reveal your anti-male bigotry. Namely, your oft repeatedly idea that masculinity is a social construct is simply a way for your to impose gender roles on men. You are creating protocol and alibis which you hope will swerve you away from the actual point, which is that you're an interventionist and a bigot.

You are an interventionist in the sense that so long as you are able to maintain the pretense that there is something "wrong" or "toxic" about men, you have justification to intervene to correct whatever is "toxic" about men.

But since men are equals to women, specifically, men have a wide range of emotions and feelings, men are not "toxic", as you would say.

You want to intervene because you personally are bigoted against men, and that bigotry is prevalent in the tone of virtually every post you make on /r/purplepilldebate. you don't say it out right, but your bigotry can be indirectly inferred and understood (hence the word "tone").

[–]Eartherry2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I've never seen you do anything close to an actual debate. You're a waste of time.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.2 points3 points  (112 children) | Copy Link

He didn't say competitiveness is a social construct. What he said is that associating competitiveness with men and not with women is a social construct.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (111 children) | Copy Link

I know and that’s still wrong. There is plenty of evidence to show that competitiveness is associated with testosterone. It’s just as wrong and ridiculous as saying that associating a penis with men and not women is a social construct. Because it’s 2018 and apparently women can have penises.

I think his problem with calling competitiveness “masculine” is that it somehow implies women can’t do it. But that’s not what the definition of “masculine” is. All something has to be to be considered “masculine” is for that thing to be associated with men. And when that thing is associated with men due to hormones or biological sex, as in the case of genitals, then calling it a “social construct” is obviously incorrect.

[–]wekacuckLife is settling.1 point2 points  (110 children) | Copy Link

My three daughters are competitive as all hell and so are all their friends. There must be some sort of strange definition of competitive you're all working from because personally, I wouldn't have put competitive in the list.

And associations are just associations. You can get population associations via social construction.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (109 children) | Copy Link

Good for your daughters. I think men and women should feel free to behave in the way that makes them feel enjoyment. However, if you gave your daughters testosterone injections, it would be highly likely that their competitive drive would increase.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4649825/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/27103058

You can get population associations via social construction.

Sure. But there is little, if no evidence to suggest that aggressive and competitive behavior is purely a social construction. In fact, there is plenty of evidence available to suggest the opposite. Aggressive and competitive behavior is not fully associated out of social construction.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

To say that competitiveness is purely a social construct is incorrect, no?

its incorrect because humans are inherently predatory and competitive. Humans have their eyes located at the front of their heads so thy can judge the distances to the prey. Thank you, evolution.

Edit.

No. Competitiveness is correlated to testosterone in all primates.

yeah, /u/mr_smoogs, testosterone was part of the evolutionary development process. Check it out, I guess?

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Competitiveness is correlated to testosterone in all primates.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Gets the strawman of the day award. And its only 8:30.

[–]ffapod 1 points [recovered]  (9 children) | Copy Link

When was the last time the circlejerk award was won by a woman of PPD?

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

It happens.

[–]ffapod 1 points [recovered]  (7 children) | Copy Link

Do you have concrete examples?

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Not off the top of my head. Do you?

[–]ffapod 1 points [recovered]  (5 children) | Copy Link

No but I don't play this stupid shaming game either where you pick the side of the gender and try to do stupid attacks on groups with some opinions or however you guys do it

[–]DesignerDebates3 small children in a trench coat[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do not circle jerk.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men might have a higher pain threshold due to higher levels of testosterone, but the idea that men shouldn't ever cry is a rather new and rather western idea.

I don't think so. In the Middle East, crying is very frowned upon.

Western men are expected to have short hair and to not engage in too much grooming, but Maasai men spend hours each day making their hair beautiful while Maasai women just shave their head.

You are comparing people who evolved and developed under different pressures and circumstances.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's also bullshit. I do my hair and shave every morning.

[–]praisethesun799Not actually a fag 😉0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Muh Maasai, muh Mosuo, muh social construct 🙄 I knew these outliers from backwater shitholes would be mentionned somewhere soon. They aren't relevant

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Masculinity is a social construct

I guess biology doesn't exist at all apparently. But again it doesn't seem to be a thing within feminism as everything is a social construct.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I never said that biology isn't a thing, but that the idea we as a society have of what a man is supposed to be like isn't the same as the biological reality of that man.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

By saying masculinity is a social construct you are saying there's not a biological side to it. You have always defined as masculinity as ONLY being a social construct and NEVER defined it or said it has a biological side to it. In fact you basically have denied it has a biological side to it.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

In fact you basically have denied it has a biological side to it.

In fact you should just learn to read my comments before replying to them.

I explicitly mentioned that this social construct has been built upon sexual dimorphism:

The ideas are based on sexual dimorphism, but they never accurately describe the biological reality of how men actually naturally tend to be. A lot of it are arbitrary standards (like pink being effeminate), but some do make sense (men are generally taller than women)

Men might have a higher pain threshold due to higher levels of testosterone, but the idea that men shouldn't ever cry is a rather new and rather western idea.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

In fact you should just learn to read my comments before replying to them.

You said nothing of the sort to the comment I replied to. And where you did say that you said the following:

It's a social construct because you can't define masculinity without specifying the historical and cultural context. Something that's masculine in one culture can be seen as feminine in another.

Once again saying masculinity is nothing but a social construct having no biological side to it. Also try reading what I am saying, I dumb it down for you as I know you refuse to read long replies from me.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (4 children) | Copy Link

Masculinity is not socially constructed. It is biological. Think of masculinity as you would a volleyball player hitting the ball into the air. Where it is hit and by whom is outcome of masculinity. From the dawn of history, masculinity always turned out predictably. The masculinity of the ancient Sumerians and of the ancients before them is not different than today's masculinity.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Masculinity is not socially constructed. It is biological.

I never claimed that there's no biological basis. I merely claimed that masculinity refers to societal ideas.

[–]oftheinfinite 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Whatever socially constructed masculinity you have in mind, it's not going to be any different than the one you oppose unless you genetically interfere with men.

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why not? That doesn't make any sense, because even when I just move from a poor district to a richer one one the standards on what's considered to be appropriate masculine behavior change.

Go out and travel the world and you will notice that not every culture constructs masculinity in the same way as yours.

[–]YaAmar-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

lmao, alright, so if I see someone sexually harrassing my sister, and I go up to him and I punch him - is that a social construct or is that my biology telling me to protect my blood from getting touched by a foreign invader from another tribe?

[–]BiggerDthanYouBluetopia1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Argue against my actual point and not against some hyperbolic misinterpretation.

I'm talking about societal ideas, but I didn't say that those ideas are completely made up out of thin air.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't really "mean" anything to me, but I associate it with certain things based on things I've seen.

I associate the word masculinity with: Stoicism, being handy, and more willing to take physical risks. For negatives I associate it with hotheadedness, overconfidence, and stubbornness.

[–]justtypingcuz 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

It means not being useless like a woman.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No trolling.

[–]gbb-861 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what does masculinity mean to you?

Trap.

A well thought, religiously propelled, political endorsed, shamefully enforced, purposely foggy concept created with the intent of turning men into this.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Traits that are typically associated with males: confidence, strength, obstinance, aggression etc.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Just look at President Trump and think the polar opposite. Its truly ironic that so many people who think themselves masculine have chosen the worlds biggest pussy as their role model.

[–]VikkBlack 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not really. He exerts many characteristics that most people would associate with masculinity: big ego, power driven, not afraid to be rude, doesnt care what others think, high energy, not afraid to offend others etc

Your thinking is awfully black and white. You can say he is a dumbass or not classy, but he is pretty masculine if we look at it neutrally.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

High energy??? RUFKM??? The guy looks like he's going to stroke out any minute.

He has the characteristics of a self absorbed ass. President Obama was far far more masculine -- grace under pressure >>> incoherent ranting.

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[–]shoup88Report me bitch2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Even in a thread explicitly about masculinity, these guys have to drag feminism into it. I’m sure there will be 8 feminism posts later today to jerk off in - can’t we get a reprieve?

[–]abaxeron✴️Indian Programmer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

RP. Putting it simply, I came to side with the notion that masculinity is, first and foremost, moral maturity. No matter how much I'd like it not to be the case.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, You’ll probably get a list of adjectives from everyone, but to me it’s in the muscle and bone. Sex and violence. Character traits vary from individual person to person. Beyond that, there’s something in the way men interact with each other, their energy, aggression, and certain postures and body movements innate to men.

[–]YaAmar0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, You’ll probably get a list of adjectives from everyone, but to me it’s in the muscle and bone. Sex and violence. Character traits vary from individual person to person. Beyond that, there’s something in the way men interact with each other, their energy, aggression, and certain postures and body movements innate to men.

Every interaction with another man is about domination and supremacy. I remember this time, back in college, when I was pissed af because the girl I was going to copy my exam answers from was 5 minutes late, and I came across this dude who had 7 inches of height on me, tall moddafacka like 6'5'' and I stared eyes at him. He stared eyes back at me for a minute or so but eventually he lowered his eyes in submission. The rush I got from that interaction made me ace the exam!

Ah, yes, copying the answers from the smartest girl in class also helped.

M A S C U L I N I T Y

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’m a non-Red Pill man. Most of my impressions of masculinity are negative, frankly. I don’t really enjoy being in an environment of “manly” men. My hobbies are nerdy and introverted and I’m not a particularly competitive individual. Frankly, I just act like myself, try to get a woman’s interest, and hope that at least some women find me attractive. Luckily for me a few have.

[–]Eris235Blue Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

BP here.

The word Masculinity means to me a collection of traits that have been associate with male-ness to our culture. Some have a biological basis, some are just traits that western culture has decided are 'male' for some reason, and men are taught to 'be this loose collection of traits' growing up, to the point where a lot of the traits are just hammered in as 'intrinsically male'.

What it means to me personally, in terms of what adjective I like to see in myself, is being straightforward and direct, upfront about my emotions, and in a more physical sense, my body.

Some of how I see masculinity is myself is something of a perversion of 'classical masculinity', but I feel strongly about each person picking what works and doesn't work for them, and still being allowed to feel masculine or feminine. And the classicly masculine stoicism was not working for me.

[–]thereddespair0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As I commented elsewhere, the measure of a man is how far he can stand by his principles; What it takes to make him fold, how much it costs to bribe him, or how much vice it takes to lure him.

obsolete pill maybe

[–]newName543456went volcel0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Strength, both physical and mental, former being relative to genetics.

[–]swl0160 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The confidence to make decisons and have opinions and the ability to not be swayed just because you think it will make your girl mad and deny you sex. I dont think i am either but ill pick RP if had to pick one.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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