Q4ALL: Will fat acceptance ever cease?

petrichordium · 2018-09-05T16:34:16+00:00

I'm honestly and truly confused as to my opinion on the FA movement.

On one hand, some of my dearest friends and family members are obese. I hate to think of them being abused or suffering from self loathing because of their weight. I also hold the belief that shaming doesn't work for most people, although certain personality types do respond well to "tough love". While I acknowledge the fact that weight loss is simple, i also must acknowledge that it is much more difficult for some than others. I also believe that once someone reaches a certain level of major obesity, long-term weight loss becomes virtually impossible due to damage to the body. People with awful parents who allowed them to get massively obese in childhood deserve some sympathy. That's an extremely difficult hurdle to overcome.

On the other hand, I hate that some FAs spread blatantly false and dangerous misinformation to vulnerable people, some of whom are too young or uneducated to know better. It makes me really fucking sad to think of a young girl with low self esteem buying into this trash, inevitably ending up fatter than she already is, and having to deal with devastating consequences later on. That's fucking shameful.

I try my best not to judge overweight people. I don't know why staying fit and healthy is a no brainer for me, and so difficult for others. Good upbringing, innate food preferences, emotional well-being, access to medical care and resources, and straight up vanity are all factors I'm sure. I used to smoke cigarettes, so I sympathize with the difficulty in overcoming addiction. Shit is hard!

Regardless of what I think, some level of FA is bound to stick around, given that we are just getting fatter and fatter. I do hope that we can reign in the bullshit, though.

On a more selfish note, it certainly gives me the competitive edge in dating simply by being fit.

lalabats · 2018-09-05T16:45:56+00:00

I'm a female, happily married, been together for going on 8 years and am fat. I know I'm fat and I'm taking steps to leading a healthier life but in the mean time, I'm still fat.

I fall somewhere in the middle between pro and anti fat acceptance. On one hand, we shouldn't encourage people to be unhealthy and we definitely should not mandate that other people act or even worse, feel a particular way about someone. On the other, I don't think that someone has the right to tell someone else to do anything, including loose weight. I also don't agree with unnecessary teasing or using rude terms like, land whale. What purpose does that serve other than being a dick?

I have never been skinny, like ever. But there have been times when I was less fat. My husband (then BF/fiance) loved and treated me well regardless, as I know he will as I continue to loose weight.

petrichordium · 2018-09-05T16:20:45+00:00

I think it’s super naive to assume fat people don’t know they’re unattractive to others. Most of the shit you’re talking about is clickbait and ads designed to sell women soap and plus sized clothing. It’s like bemoaning the state of men based on beer commercials.

Don’t get me wrong: i am a proudly slender guy whose attraction scale makes living in America HARD. The majority of women are simply too large for me. Just going to Europe is always like candyland, and don’t even get me started on East Asia. I think it’s a clearly BAD thing so many people are overweight, for health and basically everything ... except the number of STDs I’d have if more than a small percent of the US population was fuckable to me.

But telling people they’re valid individuals who are more than their bangability in the eyes of others is not the end of the world. I AGREE that people shutting down health campaigns bc of fat phobia” is stupid, but Outside a few loud overcompensating people on twitter, fat women understand what they’re facing, and piling on insults in public doesn’t help.

hiso_hiso · 2018-09-05T16:41:04+00:00

no. not the "i just want you to stop being a dickhead" kind, or the "nothing will convince me that i'm unhealthy" kind.

the latter may eventually become less popular (as i think it should), but not the former because, as stated elsewhere:

overweight people (like 60% of Americans btw) will continue to want to be treated like human beings for the forseeable future.

SpaceWhiskey · 2018-09-05T16:39:25+00:00

Fat acceptance isn’t about forcing people to be attracted to and have sex with fat people, it’s about treating fat people like full human beings, not a sub class, not less-than. Obviously being obese isn’t healthy, but the idea is that we shouldn’t treat people like garbage just because they haven’t “fixed” themselves yet. It is truly astonishing how awful fat people are treated by some.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2018-09-05T16:29:52+00:00

what evidence is there that "fat acceptance" is popular anywhere but corners of the sjw/libfem whatever internet?

lucky_beast · 2018-09-05T17:22:14+00:00

Women - are you PRO fat acceptance or ANTI?

Can we be pro treating people with kindness and respect and anti fat acceptance? In my self centered 20's I'd have had a more black and white view of this, which would be anti fat acceptance. Now that I'm older I appreciate factors in my life that I had no control over contributing to my general ease in maintaining weight. Genetics, a mom who cooked actual food, parents who had the money and means to keep me very active as a kid, no physical or emotional trauma growing up, etc. A lot of that is luck of the draw stuff. Fat people are just people to me, I don't go out of my way to shame them or celebrate them.

Having said that though, best believe my kids aren't at home eating cheesy-poofs and gogurts. The "food is fuel" mentality I grew up with is still present now that I have kids. They get junk food still but it's the exception rather than the rule so it's not all bad for them, they just know that I'm not dropping them off with donuts or picking them up after practice with garbage. The explanation is that food isn't just fuel to them, it's what they grow on so it's going to be good food. It's not ever about fat shame or weight management.

Would I rather have a more competitive SMP full of healthy people? Sure. Absolutely.

VermiciousKnidzz · 2018-09-05T17:52:09+00:00

i have a feeling everyone here learned about the body acceptance movement purely from My Big Fat Fabulous Life.

the movement doesnt have anything to do with attraction. men aren't victims to "much less desirable options" and women arent losing concentration on the "primal foundation of sexual attraction."

the movement is about people not being angry at the sight of an overweight person (call to mind /r/FatPeopleHate) and better representation of body types in media.

for the last few decades the media hammered "skinny = beauty" into everyone's heads and gave way to a new age of eating disorders in women. i think that's a cultural norm we would be good to do away with.

dont wanna be circlejerky but its honestly impressive how some people are able to spin every movement into being about men's attraction to women.

killallthenarcs · 2018-09-05T18:10:29+00:00

Fat acceptance has been a popular movement because all women can feel like they fit in if they do not have a healthy BMI.

Well fat kind of is normal now, I mean just saying.

But in the long run, telling women they are not fat,

Fat acceptance reclaims the word as a neutral descriptor, it is not in any way about avoiding the word "fat"

they are beautiful just the way they are,

Beautiful is complex and subjective just as handsome is complex and subjective. Some fat women are beautiful, can't be helped even if you're not happy about that.

leads to women wondering why men are not attracted to them - even if they're nice and fun to be with

Oh ffs it isn't like there's ever any shortage of dick or sperm.

baseline sexual attraction will never be there because she's a land whale.

Men who don't wank much can pretty much get it up for a crack in the dry ground. I mean don't get me wrong, I'm not much keen on how the economic choices of modern life make obesity the default unless actively resisted, but sheesh, in order to produce your testicles your ancestors managed to breed with women who had survived plagues and poxes, who had untreated skin conditions... all manner of horribleness. Even with their fat, modern humans are on average incredibly healthy. Put your average fat chick in a Bronze Age village and someone would wife her pretty damn quick. Because those guys did what they had to do.

And fat acceptance is hurting BOTH men and women - men have much less desirable options,

Men are fatties too now. If you're not a fatty and you're having little choice but to date fatties well what can I say, maybe you need social skills?

has to accept her for being a slob because it's offensive to tell her to lose weight

Well yes it is offensive to tell comparative strangers to lose weight (or get a better job or go back to college or learn to deadlift ten times the weight they can currently manage or really any major change) just to be with you. Strangers don't owe you jack. Mmmmm social skills?

And women are not concentrating on the primal foundation of sexual attraction or at least seriously neglecting it.

Like I said, there's reasons both men and women are fatter than they've ever been, and those reasons boil down the the economics of the situation. The opportunity cost of spending time on exercise, the cost of better food in terms of money and time, the cost of better sleep (obesity and poor sleep being strongly linked and the scientists are coming to the conclusion that they both cause each other)... none of this comes without some sort of outlay in terms of money or time or experiences forgone. And it isn't just women who are fat. Men are fatties too.

Women - are you PRO fat acceptance or ANTI?

I think we need to accept that slimness is on average more attractive but we also need to accept that fatness is kind of normal and fat men and women are going to demand products and services like nice clothes. I've been HWP and I've been fat and I've been HWP and I've been fat... oooh boy did having babies make me stack it on, for some reason my babies make the hugest placentas that just churn out all the hormones and the result is gestational sugar issues. I would not say the differences between the two in terms of sexual attractiveness is something that justifies anyone attempting to bully another person into losing weight. Yes fatties know very well they are more attractive slim. Guess what? Life's complex.

Does anyone forsee fat acceptance ceasing to exist, once both me and women have woken up and realize it's detrimental to love and sex lives?

I think individuals make their own decisions, I think everyone even 99% the fat acceptance crowd know that slim works better for most, I think it don't make a damn difference so long as everything else is set up to make physical activity levels and decent diets something that are the first thing that needs to be skimped on when you are time or money poor. I also don't think that we'll really miss the genetic input of men who can't get it up for fatties when that is what it currently takes to sow their seed... I mean sorry dude, but this is the way being the bearer of sperm works and has always worked, if you don't want to do the woman you can manage to get the opportunity to do, you're outta the game. So yeah i can see everyone to some extent accepting fat, and everyone to some extent rejecting it. What isn't going to happen is the entire society running round and changing itself just to produce entire generations of slim women to please fatty guys or socially inept guys.

Really there's not much point losing 20 pounds if all a girl gets for her trouble is a man who is not particularly attractive, devoid of social skills and probably at best skinnyfat himself. That's the economic reality. She could have spent the time money and effort on hundreds of other things. And if she can get that guy without losing weight well even less reason to.

rainisthelife · 2018-09-06T02:46:03+00:00

You’re implying that fat women have less options because men will not be attracted to them, yet you say that men will have to accept them as being fat because they don’t have any other options.

So which is it?

Also lol at men that think they “deserve” more attractive options. I’m not an advocate for fat acceptance, but using the “men will have less attractive options” isn’t really a motivator to deter it, given that these are the same men that would make fun of a woman for wanting an attractive, successful man. Lol you don’t deserve anything.

Cuckleberry-Finn · 2018-09-05T16:12:42+00:00

No I think overweight people (like 60% of Americans btw) will continue to want to be treated like human beings for the forseeable future. Obesity is caused by environmental and genetic factors, as has been empirically demonstrated time and time again. It's not as if there's suddenly been a mass deficiency of "willpower" in the US, the fucking environment changed and fatty, high calorie foods are now cheap, heavily marketed, and plentiful in poor communities. Poverty and obesity are positively correlated. Also "Fat shaming" doesn't work. So yeah the science is on fat acceptance's side here. If you dislike obesity, lobby against food deserts, poor nutritional education, excessive fast food/junk food advertising aimed at children, poverty, income inequality etc etc, don't bitch at individual fat people. It's dumb as shit and betrays a total lack of knowledge of what actually causes obesity.

And I also think all the "fat shamers" will continue to mostly just post behind the safety of their keyboards like the cowards they are, none of them having the balls to call a fat person a "hamplanet" to their face.

TL DR: Ragging on people for their weight is basic bitch shit for the most part.

filamilano · 2018-09-05T16:27:45+00:00

Woman here: just FYI there are more overweight men than women. I don't care about their fat, and I don't understand why men care about women's fat

GridReXX · 2018-09-05T18:56:39+00:00

I’m pro being healthy.

I’ll never understand the compulsion men on the internet have to tell random women not interacting with him that she’s fat and unattractive.

If you’re not dating that woman mind your business. In general more people need to mind their business.

Merger-Arbitrage · 2018-09-05T16:42:11+00:00

If you're fit you really have no reason to give a shit about fat people - including some trendy bullshit about "dadbods" and women that look like cheeseburgers with legs.

Fit people always have the option of practicing making babies with other fit people without exuding any double standards or added difficulty in finding a fit partner.

goatismycopilot · 2018-09-05T17:35:27+00:00

I am not pro or anti fat acceptance I understand men not wanting to date or have sex with super overweight women. I am okay with a few extra pounds on a man but I am not universally attracted to "dad bod" then you get down to the individual and my preference in a partner would be to date somebody active, I don't care what they do. Men who are overweight look feminine to me.

I do not think fat women are wondering why men are not attracted to them, they know.

Americans are sedentary, they have sedentary jobs, they have sedentary hobbies and they eat shitty food. We also have insane restaurant portions and a shitty palate for chain food which is titrated to a sweet/salty ration that encourages consumption.

reluctantly_red · 2018-09-05T19:20:17+00:00

Fat girls can be hot!

dicklord_airplane · 2018-09-05T19:40:20+00:00

The only thing that bothers me about fat acceptance is that so many fat women are getting pregnant, and children born of fat women are less healthy overall. Those kids have a much higher rate of diabetes and other metabolic disorders. There is also a very high correlation between autism in children and mothers who were overweight during pregnancy.

We scold and imprison women who smoke and drink to excess while pregnant because it isn't healthy for the child, and rightfully so. I think we should start treating overweight pregnancies similarly. We should speak up about it because it's not fair to all the kids who are born with medical problems due to their mother's choice to gestate a child carelessly.

PhotosyntheticChad · 2018-09-06T02:24:34+00:00

I instantly assume that fat people have no self-control. Getting fat is an individual choice. In the vast majority of cases it is caused by caloric surplus from eating too much food, not ‘genetics’ or ‘glands’.

Fat women are not attractive in the slightest. Telling them they are is just a lie that will be far more damaging in the long run, when they realise men only go for them because they think they’re easy. Much better to tell them the truth from the get go.

I don’t see why validating the feelings of fat people is a valid thing to do.

Willow-girl · 2018-09-06T13:08:07+00:00

But in the long run, telling women they are not fat, they are beautiful just the way they are, leads to women wondering why men are not attracted to them - even if they're nice and fun to be with - baseline sexual attraction will never be there because she's a land whale.

Don't wanna blow your mind, but there are men out there who actually prefer chubby women! Then there are ones for whom the compromise is acceptable if the woman has other traits that are appealing.

I've been chubby (not huge but not skinny, either) for most of my adult life. Haven't had problems finding men to date/marry. Did have one guy, about 20 years ago, who rejected me over my weight. I appreciated his honesty as it allowed me to move on and find a more compatible partner. It didn't take long, lol.

My advice to the OP would be "You do you." If you don't like fat people, don't date or hang out with us. Your seeming need to go on a crusade of informing strangers that they're inadequate and need to change says more about you than it does about fat people, IMO. MYOB.

Gravel_Roads · 2018-09-05T17:48:18+00:00

Literally the only people that want a movement like this to cease are bottom-sucking bullies who don’t like not being allowed to get away with picking on a designated victim. Leave fat people alone, jesus, they’re not hurting you.

TheGreasyPole · 2018-09-05T16:34:06+00:00

TBH I think fat acceptance as a movement is overblown.

OK, there may be the very occasional fatty who completely buys into this narrative. The ones who do so may be particularly active online, giving a false impression of their numbers. I think even the vast overwhelming majority of fatties realise it’s both unattractive and unhealthy. Let alone normal sized people.

America’s problem with obesity isn’t being caused by the tiny number of people who convince themselves being fat is awesome (usually by obviously motivated reasoning). It’s being caused by cheap and high calorie foods, sedentary occupations and lifestyles, and car based infrastructure.

I think almost everyone realises fat is detrimental to love and sex lives, and to answer your question... no this won’t go away.

NOT because it’s a mass movement.

But because so long as 1 in 10,000 buys into it and says so online... that’ll mean hundreds/thousands of people defending it online, and that going to trigger thousands/millions of rebuttals like the above as EVERYONE likes to argue about this for some reason.

There is nothing like “someone being obviously wrong” to spark an online debate. And you only need 1 in 10,000 (shit, 1 in 100,000 would probably be enough) to keep it constantly in people’s “online eyes”.

I’d be shocked if, even amongst our few hundred regular contributors there is even a single one that agrees with or wants to defend fat acceptance. It’s just so rare.

[deleted] · 2018-09-05T16:49:40+00:00

I am for encouraging people to be healthy. Lots of veggies and exercise for everyone.

As for this:

Especially any women who may have been a former fat girl and finally lost weight

My mom went through with gastric bypass surgery last year and honestly I am so happy for her because she lost almost 200 lbs and now fits into dresses I bought recently. She feels incredible, and I wish everyone could be as high energy and loving life as she is right now.

darla10 · 2018-09-05T17:45:47+00:00

I’m against encouraging people to “accept themselves for who they are” when it comes to being fat. No. ‘Fat’ isn’t some part of your identity. Decide you are better than that.

Willow-girl · 2018-09-05T19:03:51+00:00

I am pro-informed choice. I believe everyone should have the right to be happy in whatever size body they have. I don't believe it glorifies obesity at all.

Weight loss and it's long term success is hotly debated, as is the effects on metabolism, inflammation and other health issues. There is evidence in favour of body positivity as well as against it. I am part of several BoPo Facebook groups. I am happy for the people who are happy as they are, their bodies aren't my business, just as mine isn't theirs. For me personally, I want the health and energy benefits of being smaller, and that's what I am working towards. I use the tools they talk about (self-care, intuitive eating, ending emotional eating, finding happiness now) on my weight loss journey. I think you can be fat and wanting to get smaller without it being driven by self-hatred.

I don't think it will stop until there's a good and safe method of losing weight easily that keeps it off. Once there is, I think the majority of larger people will choose "normal" weights. Until then, they'll keep on trying to find happiness as they are.

quotient_is · 2018-09-05T19:29:10+00:00

You're putting the cart before the horse here. The movement itself is not what's depriving these people of the mates they want. It's a collective reaction to the myriad negative consequences of being fat which includes lack of romantic/sexual success. Men are by and large not part of this movement, but they're still about as overweight and obese as women are.

I'm against extreme forms fat acceptance - blatant denial of medical reality and bold face lying to people, for instance.

It simply does more harm than good to willfully be dicks to fat people, though. Changing our cultural relationship to convenience food is the only way I see out of the obesity epidemic. "Food as fuel" is a necessary mindset in times of such extreme caloric excess. We didn't evolve to have infinite calories available to us per day. We evolved to consume and store every available calorie in an environment of scarcity.

FrogHitler · 2018-09-05T20:45:58+00:00

shaming fat people doesn't usually help them any so I'm against that on principle. that said I am very much against the blatant promotion of fat people (mostly women, let's be honest) as attractive/desirable in media/advertising for more or less the same reasons as why we as a society decided that depicting smokers as attractive/desirable in the same way was probably not a good idea. so I guess I "accept" fat people in the sense that I can respect their humanity, but I do not accept this cultural trend of trying to pretend that being fat is anything other than an adverse medical state that should be corrected wherever possible

I say this as a woman who spent much of her late teens/early 20s around 20 - 30 lbs overweight. the psychological effects of being overweight/obese are almost as bad as the health problems you will inevitably experience. take it from me, not having to actively try to convince yourself of how good you look before leaving the house can be life-changing, nevermind the things it can do for your personal life

I don't know that it will ever "cease to exist", given that the modern Western lifestyle/diet practically encourages it. I can say that natural sexual selection has so far been quite good at preventing the "fat is beautiful" narrative from becoming anything other than that; it's just a thing people say to be nice. no one who wasn't already naturally attracted to fat people is going to be converted by a soap commercial

SilentLurker666 · 2018-09-05T21:37:05+00:00

Men - what are your opinions on a society that tells perfectly pretty women they're allowed to AND are still attractive to be fat? How do you fight a social movements that de-emphasizes female beauty?

One major point that was missed in this discussion is that the Fact acceptance movement only talks about accepting fat women, not men.

Society tell us a lot of things: You must have fast cars, living the party life, be popular on social media, always be mindful not to Rape (eye rape, saying high to random women on the street, mental rape, etc), that you should support the poor even when those ppl are not from your own country, that you should be virtuous but if you don't get laid you are not a man, that women are never rapists, never initiated domestic violence, and that men should pay their share because women makes 77 cent on the dollar, and there's pink tax, etc...

People with common sense and sufficient knowledge don't let society tell them what to do.

On the same token, you don't have to fight any social movement... just let them die of diabetes and other health problems. Common sense always triumph and let natural selection take it's course.

Ladyofblades · 2018-09-05T21:39:16+00:00

I am anti. I went through a period in which medication caused a lot of weight gain and I lost it all again not because I was sick of a lack of attention but because it was putting a strain on my body. Obesity is never healthy despite what people like to parrot about having been given a clean bill of health - if you require surgery or get other medical complications there are more issues than if you were of normal weight and the hospital has to deal with spending more on special equipment just for these individuals l. The actual percentage of people with medical issues causing obesity is very small. Most of it is due to a lifetime of unhealthy habits.

There’s a difference between being slightly overweight and obese and I’ve noticed FA seems to promote obesity. I have no issues with body acceptance, just that FA as is seems to be sending the wrong message.

Freethetreees · 2018-09-05T21:43:52+00:00

I like what it's done to the sexual market, it makes it very easy for a woman with a healthy BMI to compete and land commitment from a successful hottie. Bring on more fat acceptance! I'll cheer on the BBWs from my treadmill.

LifterofThings · 2018-09-05T22:25:58+00:00

leads to women wondering why men are not attracted to them

I dispute this. Nobody is that deeply in denial. Fat chicks know precisely why men aren't lining up to pork their delightful personalities.

I'm value-neutral on the whole fat acceptance thing. I don't think it's productive to hate yourself for being overweight, but at the same time, I don't think anyone's actually out there getting fat deliberately because the culture has convinced them that being a landwhale is genuinely desirable.

At best, it saves people a little emotional pain by giving them permission not to loathe themselves too completely, at worst it provides some moral support for outwardly-directed self-delusion. Meh.

rys_znaki · 2018-09-05T22:30:21+00:00

It’s not really relevant to me what other people think or do. I find myself most attractive when I’m thin, so I stay that way.

CatchPhraze · 2018-09-06T01:03:06+00:00

Depressed low self esteem people are less likely to be motivated to make better choices or put in effort. Fat acceptance has a root in trying to show these people they are worth taking care of themselves and the ones with things like Pcos or thyroid issues that are as healthy as they can be without being hyper restrictive are fine the way they are. While high weight related illnesses are super common in late life, under eatting illness tend to be severe enough to provent reaching late life.

Eartherry · 2018-09-06T05:46:37+00:00

No, only because we're still finding out a lot about weight loss. As new information comes up perception will be slow, but will catch up eventually.

For instance, it's been found out recently that obesity is actually an inflammatory response. If you get two people and feed them both an unhealthy amount of sugar, if one gains weight while the other doesn't, the overweight one will end up better off. How? An unhealthy amount of sugar circulating through blood causes the negative effects of diabetes. But if that sugar is stored as fat the body is spared. Not everyone has the capability or fat cells to store the excess sugar, leading to being less healthy than a an obese person, who is always less likely to have diabetes.

Attractiveness is another issue altogether. But if we know that being obese isn't necessarily unhealthy then that narrative needs to go away. If we're going to hate people solely because they're not aesthetically pleasing we can at least be honest about it.

Willow-girl · 2018-09-06T11:39:22+00:00

I wonder when the fat acceptance movement for men will come around. However after seeing plus sized Barbie I'm still waiting for plus sized Ken.

reluctantly_red · 2018-09-06T22:45:16+00:00

As a fat girl, this is what I wish people would understand about fat acceptance and body positivity:

It's not about promoting obesity. It's not about enabling people to be unhealthy. It's not about ignoring medical advice.

It's about accepting that some people are fat, accepting them despite and for their fatness, whether or not it's in their plans to change, and moving on. It's about looking past appearances and celebrating people for what they can contribute to society and the people around them, and not worrying about or bullying people for things about them that don't do anything to harm others.

MMDT · 2018-09-05T16:15:15+00:00

As dating and getting laid gets harder and harder for your average guy, fat women and the fat acceptance movement will be propped up by the hordes of desperate guys who would rather be with a fatty than be alone.

Basically if this movement happened 100 years ago it would have been dead in the water when women quickly realise they will be alone forever

These days there's more than enough thirsty betas to delude them into thinking they really are beautiful.

flamingoinghome · 2018-09-05T16:54:33+00:00

I've never been fat, although I DID have an ugly duckling-into-swan thing. But I've known enough fat people that I think you're seriously misunderstanding and/or strawmanning fat acceptance.

From what I understand, it's not about getting men to date fat women--it's not about dating at all. It's just about fat people being able to go about their business without a Greek chorus of boos and jeers, either from onlookers or their own mind. Isn't that what the HAES thing is about? Being like, "okay, let's not even think about weight loss--just do some exercise because it'll give you endorphins and help you live longer, and eat some vegetables instead of fried cheese, so you don't get a heart attack."

Given that fat shaming has been shown to make people get and stay fatter, and that most obesity is caused by comfort eating and/or serious self-loathing, that makes sense (controlling for environmental factors like poverty, food deserts, working hours/environment that slows metabolism). Surely it follows that helping fat people ditch the self-loathing would then help them lose weight?

[deleted] · 2018-09-05T16:41:18+00:00

No one takes the fat acceptance movement seriously tho

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-09-05T16:21:32+00:00

what are your opinions on a society that tells perfectly pretty women they're allowed to AND are still attractive to be fat?

I think it's hilariously ironic that they are attempting to escape standards of male sexuality while falling prey to norms of female sexuality where your value as a woman is highly correlated to how beautiful you are. The message should be "you don't have to be beautiful to feel valued," instead of "fat is beautiful." The latter is not only delusional but just as entitled as the men they so often bash.

How do you fight a social movements that de-emphasizes female beauty?

Post pictures of yourself on social media sitting comfortably on plane seats.

lefactorybebe · 2018-09-05T16:32:34+00:00

I'm pro fat acceptance to an extent. I want people to feel good about themselves, but not if their weight is becoming a health hazard. Not everyone is able to be rail thin, and if they're still healthy I'm fine with fat acceptance. Really it doesn't matter to me all that much; if you're happy at an unhealthy weight that's fine I guess, I just don't think it's a good idea.

At 5'9" I've fluctuated between 140 and 210 lbs. I've never noticed a difference in how men treat me. However, I gain weight very well, it's extremely even, and at 210 I did not look fat, just like a slightly bigger version of my smaller self. At 140 I was a size 10, at 210 I was a size 14. The fat acceptance movement never made a difference for me though, I hated myself at 210.

321PK · 2018-09-05T16:46:11+00:00

Is it even real? I was on a plane this morning and across the aisle from me was an enormous fat girl. Like so fat nobody could sit next to her because her arm overlapped and she couldn’t even fasten the seatbelt. You could barely see her eyes from the side because her cheeks and forehead were so fat. Ppl were literally staring at her with disgust. I’m pretty sure she doesn’t get much “acceptance.”

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JEROME-Z · 2018-09-05T16:14:30+00:00

sexual market problems. More men competing for a smaller number of attractive women (and trust me, I'm black I recognize a big difference between a beautiful 'thick' woman, and just being a fat slob who doesn't watch what they eat/exercise). But it's partially mens fault, where any woman 100 lb overweight can go on Tinder and have dozens upon dozens of desperate men offering them favours.

[deleted] · 2018-09-05T16:37:24+00:00

When the fatties have heart attacks

wtknight · 2018-09-05T17:15:26+00:00

I’ve seen ads on television recently about pre-diabetes. This seems to be the socially accepted way now to tell people that being overweight and inactive is not okay because it’s a health risk. As for what people want aesthetically, to each his or her own. If someone thinks being overweight makes him or her more attractive then that’s fine with me. You just can’t force people who aren’t attracted to that aesthetic to be attracted to it.

IncomeByEtnicity · 2018-09-05T17:30:10+00:00

Your question is about PEAK Fat Acceptance. Setting a temporal point (point in time) where a societal phenomena peaks is very complicated. Society always has a delay in accepting reality. So the actual peak is usually a lot earlier than when society in itself recognizes the peak has passed.

A great example is White privilege. Society is introspectively recognized it to exist now, when it has been in decline for about 20 years. The actual peak was in the mid 80s during which time there was hardly a POC face anywhere.

The whole fat acceptance movement started when the avg American was wealthy and Thin. Food that was cheap and unhealthy was considered safe by the FDA because the healthier American back then could handle it and should a health issue arise, the richer american back then could pay to fix it. Things have changed.

The Cheap food had to get cheaper and less nutritiousr just for the poorer American to afford it. Pharmaceutical companies are doing 0 research into diabetes now than 20 years ago because their clientele is quite poor. They make more money, pushing out the same pill and getting a lifetime membership than researching or developing expensive cures. It's what Ford did to it's Ranger pickup truck from 1998 to 2012. 14 years pushing out a Mazda in a slightly different wrap. The problem with this approach is soon, even doing that won't be profitable anymore, at which point it will stop pushing the pill despite demand. You'll probably be importing medication for Brazil.

The FDA doesn't care anymore because it is now one of the mos corrupt govt organizations. And they along with the Food industry and big Pharma have created a bottom rung of Poor Fatties, a lot of whom are TRP connoisseurs. Once societies equate poverty to Fatness. This acceptance movement will completely reverse.

In conclusion. We've passed peak Fat Acceptance, just as we have passed peak white beauty standards. It's only a matter of time before society sees it as well. Soon, the lady on the toaster box is going to be Asian. So if you are Poor Fat and White, Good fucking luck !

SteadMax · 2018-09-05T20:46:21+00:00

Fat acceptance probably won't cease until the reports are in that a significant amount of the population are dying before 50 and certain media outlets decide to stop promoting that lifestyle.

My opinion is that society tends to sugarcoat anything that is unusual besides pedophilia.

You fight a social movement that de-emphasizes female beauty by not dating or sleeping with those specific type of women in question.

EminemLovesGrapes · 2018-09-05T21:04:24+00:00

Look at what people do, not at what they say.

The MSM, Facebook, Twitter and Tumblr can parrot and virtue signal fat acceptance all day long. But saying things doesn't actually change anything.

No matter how much the "media" (whether real or social) says fat acceptance is something everyone should do, it won't automatically mean anything actually changes.

If every man gobbles down the "sensitive, be yourself" mantra all we would have is soy boys now. If women gobble down the "healthy at every size" we'd be left with fat women.

To me people need to look realistically at where the information you take in actually brings you. If society tells you you're healthy when you're overweight... but you feel like shit, you're constantly tired, you can't make men/women stick around, people don't respect you, you can't move a lot, your joints hurt, high blood pressure, diabetes.....

Then maybe it's not a good thing to do. Instead of accepting the consequences of your action you complain at your local gym that there's no safe space. You complain to society that people aren't treating you with respect. You make excuses like "genetics".

To draw a parallel here... If women don't like you. Instead of saying it's womens fault it like an incel you fucking lift and change your attitude.

I'm all for personal choice. If you're fine with being overweight and accept the consequences instead of making excuses or whining. All power to you, but you're a minority.

I honestly don't care about it. I won't date an overweight person because that's not my thing. If my country ends up going UK "2/3 of women are fat" level... I probably won't have a girlfriend. Fine.

[deleted] · 2018-09-05T22:33:08+00:00

fat acceptance stops with my dick

TheMedsPeds · 2018-09-05T23:06:51+00:00

I think it's just kind of a trend like pop feminism is now days.

On one hand I think treating fat people like shit is terrible so fat acceptance at it's base is a good thing. Wanted to say, especially men calling calling women fat when we all damn well know men can eat more and remain thin while women have to consciously watch what they eat so they don't end up overweight (in most cases.)

On the other hand shit like HAES and saying things like "all bodies are beautiful" is taking it too far. You are not healthy if you are obese. Sure, maybe people who are 10-20 lbs overweight can be perfectly healthy but that doesn't matter because the catch phrase is Health at EVERY size. So Tess Holiday? Oh she doesn't have any major health problems NOW because she is like 30 but by the time she is 45 I promise there will be serious issues. And for "all bodies are beautiful." Yeah no, that's not the fucking point of beauty. Beauty is reserved for people that are exceptionally good looking aka thin women or thick women who are thick in the right places (hips, thighs, boobs, nice hour glass figure), clear evenly toned skin, nice hair and proportionate, feminine face.

red_matrix · 2018-09-05T23:18:16+00:00

Lol. I don't know a single women who wants to be fat. If anything ft acceptance is a passive aggressive form of fat shaming. Just go up to any girl who isn't fat (or is a little big but not fat) and say "Hey, good for you for owning that fat, beautiful body!" and watch the Fires of Mordor materialize in violent fury!!

trail22 · 2018-09-06T01:04:18+00:00

Honestly I dont have a problem with it. As long as they dont pretend thy are healthy or that men should be attracted to overqeight women I dont think its all that big of a deal after lisentin to this , this american life podcast. https://www.thisamericanlife.org/589/tell-me-im-fat

YaAmar · 2018-09-06T09:31:41+00:00

Fat acceptance has been a popular movement because all women can feel like they fit in if they do not have a healthy BMI. But in the long run, telling women they are not fat, they are beautiful just the way they are, leads to women wondering why men are not attracted to them - even if they're nice and fun to be with - baseline sexual attraction will never be there because she's a land whale.

Those women will continue to be validated as of being ''attractive'' women as long as guys keep being thirsty and will fuck anything. Maybe if those men would increase their own level of aesthetics they wouldn't have to resort to unattractive women?

And fat acceptance is hurting BOTH men and women - men have much less desirable options, has to accept her for being a slob because it's offensive to tell her to lose weight. And women are not concentrating on the primal foundation of sexual attraction or at least seriously neglecting it.

Men who are physically attractive will always have options with women. The attractive women still want to get fucked, they want relationships, marriage, etc. The only way a man has much less desireable options is if he's fat like his unattractive options, and even if most women suddenly became a 18 year old Cindy Crawford, that guy would still have very little options. Because he's severely unattractive.

Men - what are your opinions on a society that tells perfectly pretty women they're allowed to AND are still attractive to be fat? How do you fight a social movement that de-emphasizes female beauty?

My society tells skinny, pretty women that they could still improve and become better looking. When you have 60 year old mothers who are still 90lbs, who still take care of themselves -how do you think women who are 40, 30 years younger gonna feel about themselves if they gain weight, if they have acne, if they don't dress fashionably?

Girls here at 5'8'' 110lbs are starving themselves to lose lbs lol.

Does anyone forsee fat acceptance ceasing to exist, once both men and women have woken up and realize it's detrimental to love and sex lives?

hahahaha, obesity in the USA and in the UK and in Germany and in the richer Countries is here to stay. People have a deeper love for food than they have for looking at themselves in the mirror and enjoying what they see.

This is what I see on the daily basis at the beach. Fatties are completely unheard of, for men and women.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4szI_8HQI5E

How about young, attractive American men just move to the areas in the world where women are hot?

sse23 · 2018-09-06T13:02:23+00:00

Nobody really accepts fatties do they? I mean other than the fat people running the "movement".

To me this is peak virtue signalling. Everybody(Sjw types) clap their hands and say "you go girl" all men should want you (landwhale) as much as Emily Ratajkowski.

But in reality its all fake. No one wants an obese bf/gf not even the fat acceptance crowd themselves.

On the other hand: Fat shaming works!

throwbacktuesday98 · 2018-09-06T15:06:13+00:00

How is fat acceptance hurting men and women?

What about the men and women, mostly women, who have extreme difficulty losing weight.

madcockatiel · 2018-09-06T16:42:43+00:00

From what I’ve gathered, fat acceptance is about treating overweight people like human beings, not about encouraging obesity or forcing thin people to be attracted to fat people. Fat people know they’re fat. They know fatness comes with social and health consequences. Treating them like shit won’t make them thin. The obesity epidemic has many, many more causes than mere lack of shame.

Despite being a health nut myself, I can’t get behind anti-FA because it seems to me that most anti-FA people are just looking for an excuse to be an asshole to people (but let’s be real, mostly women) who they find unattractive. Women aren’t decorative objects. Men can be unattractive without backlash beyond some people not wanting to date them, and women should be able to as well.

RubyWooToo · 2018-09-07T14:29:09+00:00

If people want to destroy their health and their own bodies, that's their business.

But don't demand that I should be supportive of people damaging their health and their bodies while putting an undue burden on our health care system in the process.

rassiamelo · 2018-09-09T05:13:12+00:00

I am neither for it or against it, because guess what? Nobody needs my permission to be fat. I will absolutely treat everyone kindly regardless of their weight because that's who I am. Also, there is no evidence that fat is detrimental to sex lives. You just personally aren't attracted to it. (side note, I am a woman who has always had a normal BMI)

largepaycheckaddict · 2018-09-05T20:22:42+00:00

Is anyone really telling fat disgusting people they’re beautiful/handsome outside of support groups on college campuses composed of overly coddled students? (Who are all ready the laughingstock of 90% of the real world)

blackedoutfast · 2018-09-05T20:25:47+00:00

literally everyone knows it's bullshit.

fat women know it's bullshit, they're just hoping that if they keep saying it eventually it will be true. everyone else who agrees with them doesn't honestly agree with them (because it's bullshit), they're just rolling their eyes and going along with it because they don't want some angry landwhale to start flipping out on them.

Pope_Lucious · 2018-09-05T19:51:36+00:00

No one takes fat acceptance seriously.

Title	Q4ALL: Will fat acceptance ever cease?
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