u/GuitarsAreGettingOld made some good points yesterday in this thread about the social and sexual programming a lot of beta men were indoctrinated with.

Guitars:

And why are we even talking about it at PPD? Because you guys keep asking us. You want to know why guys turn to the red pill and we are doing the best we can to explain it.

Sometimes I wonder what you guys want to hear.

Do you want to hear: "You are right, there was no brain-washing, we just came up with that elaborate narrative about messages we grew up with to prank people at PPD"?

Blues, we have explained this to you in painstaking detail, over and over again, every time you ask. We have told you in every single way we know how.

And yet, when we tell you, you always tell us we're stupid, we're full of shit, we're retarded, we're autistic, we're [insert insult of your choice here], and that you don't believe us. Your answer is always

--that just didn't happen, we're making it up

--we are stupid and retarded

--we are autistic

--we are socially stunted and repressed

--we are trying to blame everyone else for our problems

--we are sexually unattractive and nothing can be done for us

And to add insult to injury, we have blues like u/skookumtree presume to tell Guitars and me all about our lives and our internal experiences when he doesn't know, he is just making massive assumptions and presumptions without any personal knowledge.

So, my questions:

What do you want to hear? Why do you keep asking us this? Why do you keep abusing us and insulting us when we do answer you? If you don't believe the answers, why do you keep asking us? Is there some other answer you want us to tell you/expect to hear? Seriously, Blue people, I have to explain this here every couple of weeks or so. And then the usual rounds of insults ensue.

Why do you keep asking us this, if you don't want to read our answers?