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Q4MEN: How do you expect your wife to contribute financially?

October 12, 2017
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Men, how do you expect your wife to contribute financially? (current or future)

For instance, do you expect everything to be split exactly 50/50? Or do you expect her to take care of herself financially completely (spending money, car, medical)?

What are some things that you wouldn't mind paying for her? What are things you would never pay for her?

Please state your pill AND your income bracket. If you're already married, please state your income and her income.

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Title Q4MEN: How do you expect your wife to contribute financially?
Author vanBeethovenLudwig
Upvotes 7
Comments 260
Date October 12, 2017 5:42 PM UTC (6 years ago)
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[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp14 points15 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Reddish purple, under $100k. Not married but with a long term girlfriend who I plan to marry eventually. She makes about the same as me.

I don't keep tabs or anything, as long as she's not slacking I don't really care. We can make it work

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Reasonable.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's easy to be reasonable with reasonable people. Neither of us mind going without when we have to, and I think we both sort of have a "we can make it work" attitude.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (30 children) | Copy Link

And when she does?

That's the question, don't dodge by not testing your ideals

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp4 points5 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

like what, she just straight up stops working and says "ok support me"?

I wouldn't be up for that obviously. If she were dead set on it, I guess I'd have to leave her. I don't think it would come to that tho, that's really not her character and anyway, I'm pretty convincing and could probably get her down off that ledge

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

What if you have kids and she decides to be a stay at home mom?

What if you have kids and she decides she wants to work part time and spend more time with the kids?

What if you get married and she decides to stop working for a few years and go to school for a new career?

What if she gets burned out and changes jobs and her salary cuts in half?

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp4 points5 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

All of those are fine , we'll make it work

"Burned out" sounds a little wishy-washy but I mean I'd give her the benefit of the doubt

[–]ggbusiness4 points5 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Burned out is when you work for a while at a overwhelming job and get fed up. Let’s say she works night shifts as a nurse and is making $90k a year with lots of overtime but is exhausted and bullied at work and hates having to change diapers or deal with raging psych patients all night and struggling to sleep all day.

Then let’s say she gets a school nurse job part time (which still isn’t an easy job, I almost took the job, you are expected to pay $$$ for a certification in addition to working) and she makes $45k a year.

She deals with angry parents, violent/ allergic kids, but she works only 4 days a week and gets summers off so she is happier.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp4 points5 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Honestly that sounds like the sort of person I would not ever marry. I care a great deal for mental toughness and social skill in my partners. That's what I was alluding to by saying it's wishy-washy, it sounds like the kind of weak shit people without much mental toughness say, "oh, I got burned out" 🤷🏽‍♂️

But for the sake of argument, if that happened, yeah, we'd make it work

[–]ggbusiness4 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

That’s really crappy. This is why I kind of regret becoming a nurse. Nurses attract men who expect them to work nights and abuse themselves for some extra money. I am sorry, no offense, I don’t want to marry someone like you.

[–]basebool6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Are u just venting about your shitty career choice?

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

What makes it shitty? It doesn’t pay well enough for men?

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why would you even take that job if you hate it so much

Anyway it doesn't surprise me that you say that, I've been described as cold, I'm not, but I know what people are referring to. I'm certainly not everyone's cup of tea

[–]ggbusiness2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I quit my night shift job and I took on another job 8-5 but you consider that stuff wishy washy and weak. Good thing you aren’t my husband because you would be resenting me and looking down on me.

Most nursing jobs are on night shift BTW.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I wouldn't be up for that obviously. If she were dead set on it, I guess I'd have to leave her

I don't think it would come to that tho

Neither did the guy who had a baby and was told this. You wouldn't be the first guy who 'this didn't apply'. and you wouldn't be the last.

Honestly, do you think these grievances men have comes out of the fucking sky? That they are all idiots who can't see this shit coming? That you're truly smart enough that none of it applies to you?

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly based on my experience, yeah. My skills at gamesmanship and talking people into and out of shit are good. Easily top 20%. I have my weaknesses but convincing people to do what I want aren't it

Anyway you're reducing what is a reasoned and considered position on my part to some kind of rash snap judgment. Like you think I've never thought about her character, where that puts her among women as far as flakiness, or work ethic? Like I haven't considered this woman's values? I even qualified my language bc I realize this is more art than science.

Back to the point, yeah, if it really became that awful I would walk. Or, more precisely, she would have made the decision that she was done, but I'd be the one who'd have to execute it

[–]statsfodder 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

LoL terp moderator not getting enough jollies throwing his weight around in TRP he gotta come here and be a baddass... haha

He answered the question no need to be a dick... btw what will you do when your anime wifu peels off the wall and becomes a crumpled bit of paper on the floor??

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains[M] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I am compared him xox

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist4 points5 points  (79 children) | Copy Link

Not that I'll ever get married, but if we both work, I expect it to be 50/50. Dream's for it to be 0 for me though, where she covers 100% and I'm a stay at home dad.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (57 children) | Copy Link

Nah. Then she'll lose attraction for you because women do not want to support a man financially.

Then she'll see you as a kitchen bitch.

The bright side is that in the divorce, you'll get the kids, the child support, some alimony, and half of HER shit.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

He'll divorce-rape her. Although alimony, especially lifetime alimony, is not awarded as frequently as it once was.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. He'll get a little bit of alimony, a couple of years, maybe, if the judge is fair. If not, he'll get none (because he's a man).

[–]aznphenix6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If not, he'll get none (because he's a man).

Are you pulling this one out of your ass or is that from what people have said?

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He's pulling it completely out of his ass.

Source: Am actual Child Support/Alimony caseworker.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

not a lot of /u/darla10 out there for that life script

[–]darla101 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

That's what happened to me. I just finished paying alimony. FINALLY!

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I do have to admit, there are some courts that are awarding alimony against breadwinner wives. They kind of have to - a failure to do so is a pretty clear abuse of discretion and is very clear gender bias.

Women here have admitted, particularly gridrexx who hasn't been around - women do not want to financially support men. They expect their men to outearn them and support them. THey REALLY do not want to support househusbands, men who are not earning anything and instead serve the function of the 1950s housewife who isn't employed outside the home. Women DO NOT want to support men in that function. (And that's not me relating their experiences - that's me just repeating what they have said right here on this sub.)

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And yet, you always ignore the fact that I've been supporting my fiance for over ten years. And I certainly haven't lost attraction to him haha.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are always exceptions to every rule.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

do you want a medal

[–]LeaneGenovaBreaker of (comment) Chains5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope. Just pointing out the selective summarization of women's positions in this sub. I don't need approval to be happy with my relationship.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

One clear exception to this is people with prestigious or cool jobs, where the draw isn't strictly the money. For example I know a lawyer with an artist husband and another one whose husband is a high ranking government official. Neither of these guys are the breadwinner but their wives are content with what they do contribute and they appreciate the status the husbands bring to the marriage

[–]HigHog 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

I hope to earn enough by our second kid for my husband to be a SAHD. We've gone months with him being unemployed before and it's awesome.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

My husband was unemployed for about six months last year and I honestly started to feel like I wasn't pulling my weight, because he did SO MUCH at home. He stayed on top of the laundry, cooked all our meals, did all kinds of home improvement projects. It was great. He's an independent contractor so we're hoping once we have kids we'll be in a position where he can take a couple jobs a year and stay home the rest of the time.

[–]darla101 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep. I loathed having to support him. Lady boner killer. I didn't eve care what job he had, just A job would have been great.

[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I know a lot of female doctors with whatever husbands. There's a stay-at-home husband who has weird hobbies like canoe-making and man-cave garage-band because he has so much time on his hands and the kids have left home. Another one is a childcare/day-care worker, but he quit to raise the baby.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Canoe making sounds fairly high status imo

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It was pretty cool. Kind of like woodworking but in the shape of a canoe.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So cool!

[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Wives with stay-at-home husbands are the least likely to cheat. They feel guilty for being ball-busters so they compensate by submitting to him sexually. Then of course they also don't have time for affairs. But then again women get stressed and unhappy a lot and could divorce.

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

If my husband was a SAHD I would also expect him to submit to me and I would be the dominant one.

[–]pinkgoldrose1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It's the researchers' hypothesis to explain why women who earn 100% of the family income are the least likely to cheat.

[–]ggbusiness2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes but what I am saying is that I would take on the dominant role, I would be the one who gets a side guy just like the men on TRP get side chicks.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No one likes that kind of dominant

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't see you complaining about it when men do it. If the breadwinning woman wants a side guy, let her have her side guy.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't see you complaining about it when men do it.

I do

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Uhh why are you condoning emotional abuse and cheating?

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I thought this was satire until I noticed the flair tbh

Have you ever actually been married?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

lol

21 years.

Put your hostility away, dear.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

oh god. Either your wife is abusive, or you have very low standards as to how your wife sees men. Or you are the wife, and you're most likely abusive.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist1 point2 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Nah. Then she'll lose attraction for you because women do not want to support a man financially.

Good thing staying at home means a lot more free time, since men need to invest more time to get laid, I'll HAVE that time to find pussy on the side if she doesn't wanna fuck me.

Then she'll see you as a kitchen bitch.

I mean saving money on rent, food, and raising smart kids would make it worth it if I can also fuck girls on the side. If she still fucks me, then she's attracted to me, if she doesn't, I fuck someone else. Seems pretty straight forward.

The bright side is that in the divorce, you'll get the kids, the child support, some alimony, and half of HER shit.

Doubt it, cause divorce courts are anti-male, and I wouldn't marry anyway.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

Satire? I hope to God

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

No, not satire. I'd love to hear what you think is wrong with it though.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

Good thing staying at home means a lot more free time, since men need to invest more time to get laid, I'll HAVE that time to find pussy on the side if she doesn't wanna fuck me.

"I have absolutely no responsibility for my actions, or ability to communicate my feelings to my wife! Before even trying to talk to her, I'm going to jeopardize the relationship and cause some serious emotional damage. In short, I might be 13 years old."

I mean saving money on rent, food, and raising smart kids would make it worth it if I can also fuck girls on the side. If she still fucks me, then she's attracted to me, if she doesn't, I fuck someone else. Seems pretty straight forward.

"Again, I have no concept of delayed gratification! I need what I want, when I want it! If she doesn't give into my demands she'll suffer traumatic emotional abuse! And that's hardly the real travesty. The travesty is that I'm allowed to raise children!"

Look, I'm understanding of the fact that denying your husband or wife sex is more or less abusive, however cheating is just proof that you're not just as bad, no- but worse than your abusive spouse.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

"I have absolutely no responsibility for my actions, or ability to communicate my feelings to my wife! Before even trying to talk to her, I'm going to jeopardize the relationship and cause some serious emotional damage. In short, I might be 13 years old."

Lots of married and divorced TRPers know from experience that communication when their wife stops having sex with them only makes her resent them more, because men being whiney about lack of sex is unattractive to women. If the guy's wife who's in this position is supporting him financially, then that compounds more problems, of her not supporting him anymore if he's too whiney. I don't expect someone who's never been in the guy's position due to her gende to understand it.

"Again, I have no concept of delayed gratification! I need what I want, when I want it! If she doesn't give into my demands she'll suffer traumatic emotional abuse! And that's hardly the real travesty. The travesty is that I'm allowed to raise children!"

Where's the traumatic emotional abuse when she doesn't find out about the cheating?

Look, I'm understanding of the fact that denying your husband or wife sex is more or less abusive, however cheating is just proof that you're not just as bad, no- but worse than your abusive spouse.

I've been cheated on. Are you saying if I beat the shit out of my exes who cheated on me, they would still be worse than me? That's very comforting. I'm glad you encourage violence against women.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Lots of married and divorced TRPers know from experience that communication when their wife stops having sex with them only makes her resent them more, because men being whiney about lack of sex is unattractive to women. If the guy's wife who's in this position is supporting him financially, then that compounds more problems, of her not supporting him anymore if he's too whiney. I don't expect someone who's never been in the guy's position due to her gender to understand it.

THEN GET. A GODDAMN. DIVORCE. There's nothing healthy about being abusive back! Do you think that if I took a poll among women that have been denying their husbands sex, that they'd prefer that he cheat on them over talking/counselling or a divorce?

Where's the traumatic emotional abuse when she doesn't find out about the cheating?

"Where's the trauma if she never finds out she was raped in her sleep?" "Where's the emotional trauma if he doesn't know his kid is being molested?" "Where's the emotional trauma if her husband doesn't know that she's cheating on him?" Like, what the fuck? Haven't you any basic grasp upon morals?

Are you saying if I beat the shit out of my exes who cheated on me, they would still be worse than me? That's very comforting. I'm glad you encourage violence against women.

In my humble opinion, denying sex<cheating<beating the shit out of someone. Your logic is impeccable.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

THEN GET. A GODDAMN. DIVORCE.

No, men suffer much more in divorce than women. Telling men to get divorced is like telling women to get raped. Male suicide rate after divorce is higher than female suicide rate due to being raped. Women end most relationships, so OF COURSE, their first instinct on telling men in virtue signaling way of how he SHOULD handle the relationship would be to tell him to get raped (aka get divorced).

Do you think that if I took a poll among women that have been denying their husbands sex, that they'd prefer that he cheat on them over talking/counselling or a divorce?

Of course they would, they wanna see him weak, they wanna see him pathetic. Why do you think women shit test men? To find reasons to get turned off. Women's brains always subconsciously look for reasons to get turned off, while men's brains always subconsciously look for reasons to get turned on. Women WANT more reasons to get turned off. While men are stuck without options and desperate. A woman can never understand being in that position, because they have so much abundance.

"Where's the trauma if she never finds out she was raped in her sleep?" "Where's the emotional trauma if he doesn't know his kid is being molested?" "Where's the emotional trauma if her husband doesn't know that she's cheating on him?" Like, what the fuck? Haven't you any basic grasp upon morals?

Morals like women pretending that the guy they're with is the love of their life and they'll never leave him? Then discarding him like yesterday's garbage when they don't feel the butterfly tingles anymore. Where's men's compensation for that? Like when women pretend they won't stop wanting sex with the guy, and some go even as far as bet money on it, then when he tells them they wouldn't pay him if it turns out that he's right, they get angry and deny that too. Where's men's money for that? Women owe men money for bullshit promises like that that they're CLEARLY not gonna keep, because they discarded a lot of guys before him.

In my humble opinion, denying sex<cheating<beating the shit out of someone. Your logic is impeccable.

Male suicide rate after break-ups is higher than female suicide rate after being beaten or raped, so why don't you put women breaking men's hearts on top of the list? It causes the most deaths. Also, women don't commit suicide after break-ups as much either. If you go by how much emotional damage something causes, why shouldn't men get preferential treatment and women get punished harsher for hurting men?

I know you wanna brand me as an abuser in your mind, just like you've done with many RP posters on here, but for the record, I've never cheated on or beaten any of the girls I dated.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

Dude, you're so far removed from reality, I can't even try to argue with any of this. I mean, you might think that I, a FEMALE, might know a little more about what I want in a man and in a relationship than you do.

It sounds like you've had some really bad experiences with women. But, just as not all men are rapists or delusional, not all women are abusive. Please don't let your experiences excuse abusive behavior in other men.

I know you wanna brand me as an abuser in your mind, just like you've done with many RP posters on here, but for the record, I've never cheated on or beaten any of the girls I dated.

Where on Earth do you come up with these ideas? It seriously looks like you're talking out of your ass, trying to make women sound as evil as possible.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll HAVE that time to find pussy on the side if she doesn't wanna fuck me.

Atta boy.

Don't let women use us.

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dream's for it to be 0 for me though, where she covers 100% and I'm a stay at home dad.

Dream on

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

What if she wants to be a stay at home Mom?

What if you have kids and she wants to work part time?

What if she makes significantly less than you and you want to live in a nice place she can not afford?

What if she makes significantly more than you wand wants to live in a nice place you cannot afford?

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

What if she wants to be a stay at home Mom?

Then she should find someone else, because I'm not providing for someone. If I get an opportunity to be a stay at home dad, I'm quitting my job.

What if you have kids and she wants to work part time?

Then she should find a provider, unless he makes so much money that part time is enough to get by.

What if she makes significantly less than you and you want to live in a nice place she can not afford?

I don't care if I live in a cardboard box, as long as I got internet, food, warmth, and showers.

What if she makes significantly more than you wand wants to live in a nice place you cannot afford?

I don't care if I live in a cardboard box, as long as I got internet, food, warmth, and showers.

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

So you expect your wife to provide for you but refuse to do the same.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist1 point2 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

So you expect your wife to provide for you but refuse to do the same.

.

So you expect your husband to provide for you but refuse to do the same.

Welcome to most women. Why don't you take issue with them?

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

"most women"

I know the whole "It's current year" meme is played out. But come on dude, it's 2017. Everyone has to have a job. Single income just isn't feasible in the real world.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

They don't provide for their partner, their income goes almost exclusively towards shopping for their own make-up, clothes and shoes.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

[Citation DESPERATELY Needed]

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

?

This doesn't say anything about women spending all their money on clothes. It basically states that the woman in the home handles the finances, which in my experience has usually been true. My mother always handled the bills and balancing the checkbook. This source doesn't prove whatever point you were trying to make regarding frivolous spending.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm sorry, I'm really not convinced that you've ever been married before. For me and my husband, we switch between hobbies. Usually money goes to my beauty shit, and right now our money is going towards his gun hobbies. It's give and take.

I'm sorry to see that you have so much resentment towards women.

[–]theiamsamuraiRavishment Realist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I never claimed to be married or divorced?

Usually money goes to my beauty shit

That's not give and take, that's one person monopolizing the money majority of the time.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okay, let me us laymen's terms for you:

Me and my husband have been married for 9 months, and I make about 2/3 of the income.

For about half of the marriage, my excess money(and I mean EXCESS) went to beauty shit.

About half way into the marriage, he got really into the idea of having a gun for self-defense and as a hobby.

I recognize that having self-defense is far more important than my makeup, so we've put a hold on that for now. I also recognize that I've spent a lot on makeup in general(probably about $300 total), so we're building us an AR.

It's not too terribly complicated.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

purple pill, $100k, wife somewhere north of $60k

Wife works a professional job we both put 50% of our paychecks into a joint account that we use for shared costs like rent/utilities/groceries/ nights out that we're both on. The other 50% goes into our personal accounts for us to handle how we want. Sometimes that includes taking the other out etc.

[–]Scatrereal feminist2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

So you're spending about 10k on her a year?

[–]FalseBuddhaSomething borrowed, something Blue2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

How did you pull that out of what he said?

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

he spends 20k more than her on shared utilities.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

They're both paying their equal percentage based on income. Seems perfectly fair.

[–]Scatrereal feminist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems fair when you're the not the one putting in more.

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Oooh she’s using him for his resources, huh?

And $100k after taxes is like $65k take home. She probably takes Home around $40k

[–]Scatrereal feminist-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Oooh she’s using him for his resources, huh?

not using per say. Just happily benefiting

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But after taxes it’s like $13k a year, which is hardly luxury life.

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

13k is a shitload of hookers

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you affirm that men want side chicks.

[–]Scatrereal feminist-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Kind of off topic, but sure many do. I don't cheat, though. I buy hookers when I'm single lol

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well pretty much nothing that gets bought from our joint account goes to her alone. that's the point. it's all stuff that we both share and that I benefit from. I'm not paying for her gas or car repairs or whatever. I'm paying for a nicer place that I live in, trips that I want to go on. If I want some new music gear I pay for that, if she wants a wardrobe upgrade she pays for it.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How would you feel if this was a woman who makes well over 100K a year and the man makes enough to cover his own personal expenses (i.e. not much) is she "paying for him" ?

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yea

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This gave me a huge laugh -

[–]bala-keyMarried Red4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Married red. Mine: 230k Hers: 0

She should work. It's safer in case sth happens to me (or the business I'm in) and also for her mental health.

But she doesn't have to. We're lucky to have the option. I think it was good for the kids to have a full time mom. Working part time might also have been a good compromise.

[–]Scatrereal feminist5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

married

red

that income difference

Ain't seeing no red here

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You are seeing red here. He's what we call AF/BB. Both of them, not just one. You have to be if you're in an LTR, and TRP does teach LTR game. The fact that we don't advise marriage as a strategy to beginners, notwithstanding.

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It depends on how traditional she is. If she is a modern strong independent woman then we split the mandatory expenses (rent / mortgage, medical, food, money spent on kids, and retirement savings, money spent on kids) 50/50. Anything either of us earns beyond that is personal discretionary spending that can be spent on one's own hobbies, clothes, etc. of course.

If she is a traditional woman (truly traditional, not just some modern strong independent woman pretending to be traditional when it suits her) then I'd be willing to provide for her. She'd have to raise the toddlers and cook and clean though. My only caveat would be to expect that she doesn't bring in too much student debt to the marriage.

I'm low six figures right now, expect to hit ~300k in a few years, and probably plateau around that wage (adjusting for inflation) through the rest of my career.

[–]dailyqtProcreation should cease0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why do you seem to favor "traditional" over strong and independant? God, I hope my husband thinks I'm strong. I also hope he sees me as independent. And traditional in what way?

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe I should have put "strong and independent" in quotes. I'm talking about modern women who view equality as being a lack of division of labor (e.g. the man is an "equal partner" in housework, childrearing, and the notorious "emotional labor"), focus on having careers, and in many cases are sexually empowered (i.e. don't want to be judged as a prospective partner for being unchaste). And I have nothing against these types of women - I just expect them to be serious about equlity, hence I'd want to split the bills and have each of us keep the rest of our discretionary income and spend it on ourselves.

Traditional means she wants to focus on keeping up house and hearth and raising children (i.e. a traditional gender division of labor), and that she is chaste. Of course, there are women who want the perks of being traditonal (e.g. the man provides for her, pays for their dates, etc.) but only when it suits them (e.g. expect the man to do an equal amount of housework, or not to rule them out as a partner for being unchaste).

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's the biggest problem with finding a good wife. So many women get saddled with huge amounts of debt straight out of high school. Really harms their ability to be a SAHM

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You're going to get a wide range of answers here.

When I first got married, I earned about 2/3 of our income. We lived on what I made and saved what she made.

When we had our first kid and for about 14 years after that, I earned 100% of the family income.

Since about 5 years ago, Mrs. Cross has worked part time as a sub teacher, earning about, oh, at most, 5% of the family's total income.

As the kids age, she'll probably go back to full time work, if she wants or needs to.

So it really just all depends on what you work out, really.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Holy shit you're married? Not divorced?!!!

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

21 years. How long have you been married?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

The first time was 8 years. This time we've been together 7. So I've been married a total of fifteen years. I've spent a grand total of 18 years of my life living with four different women though.

[–]LewisCross 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

That's quite a track record of relational failure you've got there.

I will be hearing no further criticisms from you of my track record.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

I'm not criticising your track record. I'm criticizing your negative attitude, misogyny, and utterly bizarre beliefs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

He's the one with a successful relationship here. Be as positive, woman-friendly, and normal as you want. His word still trumps yours in my book.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Lol yes he's the one in a successful relationship.

[–]Contradict-- 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Yeah, and you aren't. Get over it.

[–]theambivalentrooster6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If you consider being miserable, bitter, and resentful to be a successful relationship, I don't know what to tell you.

He's not successful, he's trapped.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

We're commies in my house. We contribute according to our abilities and take according to our needs. I'll never understand couples who have separate bank accounts.

[–]Scatrereal feminist4 points5 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I'll never understand couples who have separate bank accounts.

Mainly happens with realistic men with incomes way higher than their partners.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator7 points8 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I asked a communist

if you had two houses, would you give your brother the other house?

Of course! We contribute according to our abilities and take according to our needs

If you had two cars, would you give one to your brother who had none?

Of course! We contribute according to our abilities and take according to our needs

What if you had two shirts, would you give to your brother who didn't have one?

Absolutely not!

Why not!

Because I actually have two shirts

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll give you both of my shirts right now.

[–]Scatrereal feminist2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Lol, it always make sense for a woman with little income to say "we contribute according to our abilities". Only time someone says that is when they're not contributing much.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Most of the money we have came from my wife. And if it didn't, I'd still share an account with her. Otherwise I wouldn't have married her.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

his point is APT.

" I would if I could." is empty rhetoric. If I had a vagina, I'd give it away for free and approach guys directly.

I'll never have to be held to that, so I can say it and virtue signal though!

Edit, lol. The post below completely. Missed the point, then made the exact same point.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I understand the point, but you're telling it to someone who practices what he preaches.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You'll forgive me if I doubt you

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No I won't.

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol fuckin exactly

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I had a vagina, I'd give it away for free

Guys always fucking say this, but if you were actually a woman, there's just no way. This is a bullshit talking point.

[–]the_calibre_cat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only time someone says that is when they're not contributing much.

The unspoken seed of communism

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is just like "whoever asks should pay for the date".

[–]Scatrereal feminist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That ones pretty funny too. Obviously women will say that because they'll never be the ones asking lmao. And to them asking for a date is equivalent to asking "can I buy a meal for you" rather than "can we get a meal together".

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

this so much

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Realistically married to women who they can't trust.

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Happens constantly.

[–]the_calibre_cat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

70% of the time or so, I hear.

[–]OfSpock1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or a man who can't handle money. The only couple I know who budget like this do so because the guy can't save at all. They divided the bills so he has the weekly ones like groceries and she has an equal amount of larger, less frequent bills like electricity (three monthly) and rates (six monthly).

Everyone knows this because they had a huge argument when he found out she had $2000 in her bank account and he wanted to spend it. The rates and electricity were due two weeks later, which is when the fight ended.

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes because they are providing for their family.

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea, not spending it on clothes

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So what I am saying is that if a man is providing for his family, he should share the income.

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well he would, at that point, be legally obligated to.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

Some will dismiss it as a bit ''cucky'', but the best approach is to have a joint bank account.

It makes both parties more financially prudent, and generally prevents any petty squabbling about who pays for what.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp4 points5 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

What's cucked about a joint account

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people think that a man loses his financial independence in this situation, and that he's giving up his hard-earned for his woman to spend.

As long as it's a stable relationship, and both parties are mature adults, then I think that it's by far the best financial arrangement for a couple.

[–]WhiskersNTreddish purp1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm okay yeah I see what you mean now

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t want to marry unless we have a joint account. I find splitting things to lead to resentment.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thats a big if tho

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator2 points3 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

women are 80% of consumer spending.

Right there should tell you how silly an idea that would be.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Not in my house. Maybe this is why Americans don't want Communism. Can't even manage resources between two people.

I'd say the "cucks" here are the guys who have to hide their money from their girl. I can control mine.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Hide != keep under control.

I don't hide my car and house from people. I still lock the door. Why? Because I don't want someone taking my shit.

Tall fences make good neighbors.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You give your wife a key though, no?

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She can't run off with the house. And she pays half

[–]ggbusiness4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because they do the grocery and clothes and utilities shopping for the family. How many men do you see grocery shopping or getting shoes for their kids at the mall? It’s like 1/4 the number of women.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Many, but. My friends aren't slobs

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

That's why I used the ''stable'' and ''mature adults'' qualifiers!

As long as your partner isn't an overgrown child, then a shared bank account is the best option.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

meh.

I would live comfortably off of 1/5 of what "we" spend on "necessities"

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you've got a bit of disposable income, then there's nothing wrong with pissing a bit of it up the wall on ''luxuries''.

But both partners should be aware and responsible for their pending.

Keeping a simple financial spreadsheet of money in/money out should help to identify any frivolous spending.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

let me know how that works for your girl

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Stable and mature != fiscally responsible.

Keep adding qualifiers, and keep betting on single digits on roulette. It pays 32:1 you know!

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

If you;ve reached a point in your relationship where a joint bank account is a viable option, then you should know your partner well enough to understand whether it's a good idea or not.

I can't see any downsides to it, and it certainly solves a lot of awkward problems with each partner ''chipping in'' from independent money.

It obviously wouldn't be advisable for relationships where you didn't trust your partner's financial prudence.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Joint account for expenses makes sense.

They fought for never needing a mans money, why get in the way of that goal?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It's not a competition.

Both partners should be a team who are focused upon common goals.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

On that we have a fundamental disagreement.

Theres always a leader and a follower. Don't agree? Have an argument over doing something, you'll sort out which is which quickly

[–]OfSpock0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men still aren't picking up their share of the housework.

[–]PaperStreetVillaTRP Moderator0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women aren't picking up their share of child support

So what?

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fact that you're putting more into it

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

because both the man and woman are putting money in it rather than the man being the sole big man manly provider I guess

[–]Scatrereal feminist-1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

you got it backwards.

It's the fact that you're allowing all your hard earned money to go in the hands of some chick that.

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Joint accounts usually happen when both people put in money.

Otherwise, if 1 person makes most of the money, there really isn't a need for one, their account would just be the default for family expenses.

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Because a joint account means she can spend your money without your permission. duh

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

In theory my wife can spend my money without my permission. In practice she does what I say. I don't understand why individual bank accounts are being touted as the masculine option here when I'm the one who's girl actually listens to him.

[–]Scatrereal feminist-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Probably because you have no real control.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This doesn't make sense. I have final say in all decisions and my wife does what I tell her to... because I have no real control?

Is that what you meant to say?

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

why do you have final say?

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s why you don’t marry someone unless you trust them with money.

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. don't get married

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

50/50 is the ideal income match because it causes the least friction if divorce happens.

I would not mind paying for individual accidental circumstances, or for birthday presents. I would mind paying for bad habits

black pill, student with no job zzz

[–]theambivalentrooster2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No, the ideal income is that she makes millions and I'm a kept stay at home hubby who demands alimony to keep me in the style in which I am accustomed.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's a retarded meme that never happens

[–]theambivalentrooster1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Millionares?

[–]theambivalentrooster1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

3rd link, she has to pay her ex 2 million

u just jelly you can't get a high net-worth female to divorce-rape

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is it a sin to be jealous

[–]TheBookOfSeilCuckleberry Finn1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do I expect my wife to contribute financially, if I had one? Equally, or an observed willingness to actually contribute. If she notices that I'm paying for the majority of stuff, it would be nice (and sexy) to hear, "Don't worry, I got it."

I don't believe in "You buy this and I'll buy that." We should both be watching out for each other.

I am "Purple" Pill, and a student, so I'm broke :-D

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

I'd like my wife to make nearly as much as me. 50/50

this is but one reason i'll likely never be married.

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Why don't you date someone that shares the same profession as you then? Most people end up dating someone within their social circle anyways :/

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Because my profession is mostly male

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

You don't have female acquaintances within your social circle? They will usually earn roughly as much as you.

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

female acquaintances within your social circle? They will usually earn roughly as much as you.

Why will my female acquaintances earn as much as me? Is there some rule to it?

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Because they are within your social circle, and usually those people will have similar earnings/social class. for instance, usually doctor will end up marrying another doctor, dentist end up marrying another dentist, etc...

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

usually doctor will end up marrying another doctor

Usually that never happens, what a terrible example. Usually men out-earn their partners, that's what USUALLY happens. Now is that always the case? of course not, but it's not exactly easy to just find a woman in my industry when it's a statistical anomaly.

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

That happens, very common from where I live. doctors belong to upper middle class. And UMC in my country marry another.... well, another UMC. What is so hard to understand? People on the upper class marry someone within their class. It is usual. What, you think most women are cinderellas who are maid/waitress and end up marrying doctors/CEO? yeah right. Those guys have lots of options. They want to marry girls who proper education background and family connection and have something to offer than just being a girl. I have seen this playing out in UMC often enough.

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

I understand, usually married couples are in similar wealth classes. But to have this imagination that all doctors are marrying other doctors it's silly and statistically impossible due to the fact that women earn less as a whole. If two thirds of your profession is men, you're at a disadvantage finding women in the same industry.

[–]TheBlackQuillMisanthrope0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Medicine is one of the stem field where there are roughly equal men and women.

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

But what are you making, like $200k+?

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

little under 90

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

it’s not like there aren’t women out there who make this amount.

[–]Scatrereal feminist2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm young though. There are women. Just not many.

[–]wubooAlpha Blue Pill0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Completely doable

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

what professions?

[–]wubooAlpha Blue Pill2 points3 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Assuming you are in the US: nursing, physicians assistants, doctors, anesthesiologists, software developers/architects, product owners, consultants (not the network marketing nonsense, legit MBB or tech consultants), data scientists, actuaries, women with phd's working in industry and usually STEM related, finance (equity analysts, investment banking, quant trading), lawyers, upper echelons of sales, marketing, and fashion.

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand. Most of those are male dominated, no?

[–]wubooAlpha Blue Pill5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You asked for where to find high paid women, not industries with similar gender ratios.

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Male dominated != 100% male.

If you're "high value" (read: attractive) then you should be able to attract a woman from the smaller pool of women in your profession...

Won't be easy to find a woman who is Attractive, makes as much as you, and single. But doable

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Won't be easy

[–]i_have_a_semicolonPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure , but to expect it to be easy to find an attractive single highly paid women is essentially fallacy.

I would say the same for women seeking men. Good ones get snatched early.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I want a healthy relationship with an attractive, financially secure woman, but it sounds like WORK!

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, you can only enjoy that luxury if you're chad.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I expect her to contribute the upkeep of the home, all of the shopping, taking the vehicles in to their maintenance appointments, making all of our and the kids appointments, attending to them, cooking the meals, making sure the kids get to school and home, keeping the laundry clean, etc etc etc. I bring home a bit over 100k a year right now.

She's worked in the past but with no degree and no career she brings home like $15k a year when she works. I don't see any reason for her to work. Though now that our youngest is in school I do worry that she might get bored. She just reads a lot, fantasies and science fiction, though she prefers these hard romance novels that take place in fantasy settings. She plays a lot of video games and has gotten me to play a two player one with her (Divinity original sin 2). She also is knitting me another pair of socks and is still working on a big blanket and she's started crocheting they kids winter hats again. Oh and she's responsible for the budget. Which means she gets to clip coupons, find deals, and make sure everything gets paid.

Monetarily I pay for everything. She still does quite a bit and I'm glad I don't have to put a price tag on it and pay even more taxes. Already married. Blue pill.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The only way I would marry is if the woman made significantly more than I did. Atleast 5x, but likely 10x, and I already make 6 figures in my 20's so good luck with that. I need that kind of large money incentive for it to be worth not fucking other women.

[–]ggbusiness3 points4 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Ah men are so loyal

[–]WhatsUpSloot 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Loyalty? Be quiet you weirdo misandrist. I dont want to get married so for it to happen the woman has to provide something that I can't get elsewhere to make it worth it. That's not disloyal, and I'm not looking for rich women. I'm just stating one of the few situations in which I would even consider marriage.

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Men love women for who they are

Women love men for what they have to offer

Hm?

[–]WhatsUpSloot 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

this is about marriage. Not love. I want to fuck multiple women so I don't get married. I'm not going around using women's money. Go to the gym to clear your mind tubby. You're not thinking straight.

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why the fat insults now? You realize you’re a hypocrite and no better than a feminazi and can only resort to fat insults because you can’t think of anything better.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not a hypocrite because I don't lie about what I would do in those situations. I would marry for the right amount of money. Women do lie about their intentions.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I would marry for the right amount of money. Women do lie about their intentions.

So you would tell this woman that you only intend to marry her because she makes the "right amount of money?"

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup, I dont want to get married anyway. Marriage adds no benefits that I cant get outside of marriage. She's gotta bring the $$ to make it a good deal for me.

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No when a woman says she cares how much money a man makes she is immediately called a whore.

[–]Entropy-7Old Goat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I am getting married November 19th. Because of our situation, she will have to quit her job around Christmas and then join me.

I identify as Red Pill but many TRPers would shit all over me for the way I am dealing with this.

We are looking to get all entrepreneurial but her contribution is mostly to keep my shit in order so I can make money.

I live in Asia. Looking at my salary at current exchange rates my income sucks. However, looking at the bigger picture of perks, lifestyle, and cost of living, I would have to make about $70k in North America to live like I do here.

[–]SlimLovinHigh Value to Own the Libs1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah. No one should shit on you for this. You're doing what you can to make it work.

The "ideals" of TRP are exactly that: Ideals.

Trouble is, reality gets in the way of playing Alpha Dawg on the internet.

[–]DrippyskippyMonk1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Ideally it should be 50/50 (I am egalitarian after all). However, the problem with 50/50 or her making more is that she will respect you less. Especially, if she drops out of the work force for a little while to have a kid. She will always want you to make more money than she does, this is part of hypergamy.

On the other end of the coin, if you make considerably more than her, or if she is a stay at home mom. You run the risk of being divorced raped. As a man you're damned if you do, damned if you don't. Pick your poison, monthly payments to your ex, or your ex not respecting you (which can have multiple consequences such as cheating).

I want to make it obvious that not all women are the same and these situations don't apply for all women, but these are the risks you take when it comes to marriage. You may say I have a biased opinion because I'm MGTOW, that is one way of putting it, the other way of putting it is that i'm too intelligent to take bad risks.

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

But if she drops out of the workforce to have a kid, most men will resent their wives and loathe them.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Really?

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What are you basing this on

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

My coworkers telling me how they wish they could be SAHM’s but their husbands wouldn’t be happy and they can’t afford it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why are their husbands unhappy about it

[–]ggbusiness1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because they depend on their wives incomes and don’t make enough to support a family.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That seems like a legitimate reason for them to be unhappy about it

[–]ggbusiness2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes and it seems like a ton of men feel this way and do fully expect and want their wives to work and to leave their kids with someone else.

I refuse to have kids unless staying at home is on the table. This isn’t a resentful thing: I am 100% okay with leading a childfree life if it is not possible for me to be with my kids.

I am not going to end up like the working women I know who are exhausted and fed up.

[–]DrippyskippyMonk0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can see that in some situations. Because your family will be taking in less income, while having more expenses because you now have a child. Putting all the financial responsibility on one person can be very stressful. This is a big sacrifice on the man's part. Especially in the situation my brother deals with. His wife dropped out of the work force when she got pregnant. 6 years later she is still unemployed and they send their daughter to day care most of the week. So she is living the life, he is the beta provider and she is doing very little financially for the family. I could easily see why men would resent wives like this.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I do not understand these "stay at home moms" who still send their kids to daycare. My cousin's wife is like this and has the audacity to complain about how exhausted she is all the time.

[–]DrippyskippyMonk1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand it either, but I'm a man. I'm sure there are women out there who specifically pick the beta men so that they can do what they want and get a free ride. Knowing full well these beta men don't have a backbone. However, it is also one of the issues with marriage if you're a man. Your option of getting a divorce is most likely going to hurt you more than her, especially if you have kids.

[–]DashneDK2King of LBFM1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't expect anything. I'm not with her for the money.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I dont.
Red, slightly north of 300 atm

[–]Scatrereal feminist1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

ok, now what's the real number? No LARPING

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why do you think he is lying? 300k is perfectly plausible for certain professions / locations.

[–]Scatrereal feminist2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sure, just not his

[–]SirNemesistitties not tithe4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What is his profession? I assumed it was either software engineer or doctor.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Business owner, Moscow.

[–]WhisperSecretly a Talking Dog1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

"Wife"?

Heh.

No. Marriage isn't a contract now. It's a signed sheet of blank paper onto which terms are written by a third party, on dissolution.

No thank you.

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[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I am super impressed by the number of six figure incomes here, y'all are some one percenters. But I am also a prole.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think that people with higher incomes are probably happier to announce it.

(full disclosure - still trying to disentangle pay from my identity)

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

No doubt.

[–]FairlyNaiveRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This)

[–]OfSpock0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not that high an income here, but prudent investment means over a million in assets, does that help?

[–]goatismycopilotPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I invest in a 403B through work, I def do not have that much.

[–]theambivalentrooster0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bitch better have my money.

[–]WestsideMoonWalker"That fucking WestsideMoonWalker boomed me" "he's so good (x4)"0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As much as she is reasonably able to. I don't mind paying for fun dates and stuff. Aside from that, most things would likely be fairly evenly split. As far as what I am not willing to pay for, it really depends. I'm not even willing to buy a car for myself, and I'd prefer not to own a car. It really just depends on how much is being saved and invested, which both me and my partner are responsible about.

I'm a recent graduate who is also recently unemployed (like, in the last week), but my income at my next job will likely be between 45k and 75k (depending on the exact role and where I work), by 25, 100k would be feasible, but I'm not even planning that far ahead. With my girlfriend now, while we haven't combined finances or anything (since that is silly at our ages and being unmarried), it does seem like we have a good dynamic. She is quite responsible, so that is a plus. Her earning potential at the moment is similar to mine.

[–]TheGreasyPoleObjectively Pro-moderate filth0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men, how do you expect your wife to contribute financially? (current or future)

Whatever she can ?

My wifes a professional, we earned roughly the same up until we get married (8yrs), then (because of promotions I got) it went to more like 66:33 (2yrs. A few years after that she had the kids, over that time she's either been on maternity leave (in the UK this can be up to 12m) or working PT (2 days a week). And that means it's been more 80:20 over that period (7 yrs).

But thats not a problem, she works like buggery. More than me. 'Cos a house and 2 kids under 8 and 2 days a week in a professional role... thats plenty.

Once both the kids are at school FT she plans to go back FT. Then we'd return to 66:33 or something. Although it might work out that she can stay PT, if I get more promos etc.

Also I might retire really early. And if I did our income would go to something like 50(her):50(savings from the years above).

RP, household income $100k-$200k.

[–]statsfoddernot blue, not red.0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Reddish purple. Over $100k for me and $50k for her, married 14yrs.

My main job pays for all the bills, my side business I do with as i please and her income is for household incidentals and her own spending. If she can't afford to buy something she wants then too bad. I bust my ass for my family and that is worth more than any trinket from a jeweller or florist.

[–]couldbemage0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No pill.

About 30k

Different strokes for different folks. They each contribute what they can, but final decision on all expenses is mine.

My partner of nine years makes a bit more than me.

My other partner has no income, is disabled, and really, the best she can hope for is Medicare disability, which isn't much, and she doesn't have it yet.

Both are wife material, in that I plan on keeping both as long as they live. (Though I expect to outlive both of them.)

There is nothing I wouldn't be willing to pay for either of them. But one has medical thorough her work, the other through her father. The only car we have is mine.

The unemployed one gets spending money by....

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Both are wife material, in that I plan on keeping both as long as they live. (Though I expect to outlive both of them.)

Lol. That's a bit ominous.

[–]L0git3xRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont see my wife or myself as a separate being. We are two parts of a team contributing to a team goal. "everyone must get a job" is nonsense. Id reframe it as "Everyone should participate in a way that is to their strength.

My wife was an accountant. She is now CFO of our household. My credit rating is amazing. I havent paid a bill in years. Our finances are dialed in. She is frugal with money and really good with it.

She was never going to be an earner over 80k at work. She isnt management material. She isnt cut out for it. Many arent.MOST arent.

I figure 80k is about where the amount she brings in would offset the value she provides at home. Plus she was miserable.

How else does she contribute?

She plays grocery store sales like it is the stock market I once went to the grocery store with her

"No I am going to get Diet Coke next week. It is going to go on sale next wednesday"

"How in the hell do you know that?" She knows what a good price is on EVERYTHING.

She cooks instead of paying for food outside. (That is a huge cost savings)

She takes care of our kids. Daycare for 2 kids would be an insane out the door expense.

All the bullshit stuff people have to do that is domestic. She does it or has it handled. I dont worry about any of it which frees me up for work AND both of us to have recreation time.

She probably makes more money by how she saves money than she would have if she was in a job and paid all the expenses of

She did a full balance sheet on our finances when we talked about her quitting to take care of our first child. and nailed down every cost associated with her going to work. Gas, dry cleaning, parking, etc.

When she ran those numbers it was like 200 a month. back 20 years ago.

It is worth 200 a month to not have the ass ache of not being a two earner family. We have peers that do it and they are way more worse off than we are at the age of having college age kids. We havent lived paycheck to paycheck for 10 years.

We also got rid of our debt too. Others embrace it.

All that shit is bluepill to me.. being a huge consumer.. leasing two 80k SUVs you dont need. credit card debt to buy chinese shit that breaks that you dont need.

all dumb crap.

I wish people would think of themselves as a team instead of two individuals co-habitating.

Of course everyone is told they must be independant.. dont rely on anyone else.

lol suckers.

[–]bornreddMarried Red Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Married RP man here.

I make about 58% of our money, she makes 42%.

Together we are well over 150k/yr in a low COL area.

We put all money into joint accounts. She tracks day to day expenses and handles most of the purchasing. We review the budget every quarter to make sure goals are on track.

We consult each other anytime we are spending more than about $200. We always have the option, and there is no rule or anything to do so, we just want to let the other know.

Anything is on the table, but that is because we both know and trust that the other isn't going to be financially irresponsible. Our long term life goals are to be financially independent/wealthy, so we both put a ton of effort into it.

Note: we have been poor in the past and at times she made significantly more than me for periods of up to 18 months. Or had never been an issue.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Men, how do you expect your wife to contribute financially? (current or future)

Don't care about money. Mostly that she's not sitting around and doing nothing.

For instance, do you expect everything to be split exactly 50/50? Or do you expect her to take care of herself financially completely (spending money, car, medical)?

Won't be keeping tabs. Just don't want to be USED for money.

What are some things that you wouldn't mind paying for her? What are things you would never pay for her?

I'll pay for the little things. But IDK about some of the bigger things like entire cars etc. Depends on what she is making.

Please state your pill AND your income bracket. If you're already married, please state your income and her income.

Black pill who agrees with some red pill ideology.

I'm in college atm but will be making 120k out of college most likely. (Now you guys understand why I'm so serious about plastic surgery?)

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Why would you pay doctors to mutilate you in order to get sex, when you can just pay for hookers?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

mutilate

?

pay for hookers?

Cuz its not the same? Plus, I live in the USA. Its deeply unregulated and I could go to jail. Whole system is to benefit chads, not incels.

Even aside from hookers, in America, people are rough towards incels. At least people are friendly towards men who aren't chads in Europe.

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Its deeply unregulated and I could go to jail.

uhh, I'm American. could and would are two different things.

in America, people are rough towards incels. At least people are friendly towards men who aren't chads in Europe.

What makes you believe this?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

uhh, I'm American. could and would are two different things.

Eh I guess.

What makes you believe this?

Its how it is. I've discussed this with others.

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Europeans are kinder to virgins>??

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes, its not a hypermacho country.

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

And the USA is?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is

[–]Scatrereal feminist0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Lol. Have you been outside the usa?

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

What if you’re married and she and you need a car but she makes way less than you?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

If she needs it, I will. But I doubt she will earn THAT little.

[–]ggbusiness0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But what if all she can afford is a used car from the 1970’s which is on the brink of collapsing with 200k miles on it?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Again, depends on what situation she's in.

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