Q4Men (Red Pill): At what point in a girl's life does 'AWALT' start to apply?

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-03-28T00:11:50+00:00

Honestly there's some legitimacy to the meme of women wanting Legolas in their teens and then wanting Aragorn in their 20-30s.

I would assume it has something to do with teenage boys not being masculine yet.

Teflon08191 · 2022-03-28T08:04:51+00:00

Do girls not have empathy for boys and men? Are they disgusted when a boy in their class cries, instead of concerned?

Whether they're disgusted or concerned, what they definitely won't be is attracted.

Consumer31314 · 2022-03-28T00:10:24+00:00

I think the problem here is over generalizations. That person you’re talking to tries to put you in a box that is the norm for women but not always the case. You can have different preferences than women usually have.

I don’t think women have no empathy for men. Maybe not as much as they do for other women but it’s honestly still more than men have for eachother. Some might argue this is so women don’t look bad and they just do it to save face. That’s red pillers eating the black pill and trying to dehumanize women as psychos.

In short, don’t try to lump people into a stereotype if you have evidence to support the contrary. Stereotypes are commonalities, not things that must be true for everyone involved in them.

2022-03-28T02:17:31+00:00

AWALT does not claim that “all women are the same”, this is false and is as such an absurd claim to make. Rather, AWALT presupposes that women are collectively governed by a set of underlying principles that drive their behavior.

So, what are the underlying principles underlying girls at different ages? Do young girls on a collectively change from more gender neutral hobbies, soccer, skateboarding, etc. When they go through puberty? My daughters have. Did you. Assuming you're a straight female.

Also, you're completely wrong with children. Young boys and girls. My understanding is that boys and girls play differently.

Your empty shell comment also contradicts the argument.

sungod003 · 2022-03-28T04:52:54+00:00

You say women have no empathy for men. Is this innate? Do girls not have empathy for boys and men? Are they disgusted when a boy in their class cries, instead of concerned? Because if that was your experience of school, you and I went to school with very different children. And if girls are born with empathy for the opposite sex, when do they lose it?

Now im not a redpiller. Look at my post history. But i do think women are raised ti see men as the same way men are raised to be. If men are told to be tough elitist strong unwavering protectors and providers it only makes sense that most women will seek men of stability. Girls and boys change once priorities and gender norms are enforced. As a guy i have been solidified in my gender norm and what is expected of me whether i like it or not. Women like male gender norms. They like men who pay and initiate yadda yadda.

Heres a quote by Feminist Bell Hooks

Many women cannot hear male pain about love because it sounds like an indictment of female failure.

I did not want to hear the pain of my male partner because hearing it required that I surrender my investment in the patriarchal ideal of the male as protector of the wounded. If he was wounded, then how could he protect me?

Women believe in male gender norms unknowingly. They are led to believe in male supremacy and when that facade(cause we men do put up a facade) breaks they do not want to see it.

Ill give a personal anecdote. My parents told me to kan up and stop crying. I was about to be held back in kindergarten for crying a lot. People made fun of me including girls. So naturally i stopped crying and held it back. Even when my father passed. And so naturally this created anger as the only viable emotion other than sadness. I cannot show weakness. No1 will give a shit. And i will refuse to cry in front of women. Its not worth it. Id rather show anger than sadness. Its unhealthy. But its defense.

So women dont do it out of malice but like men they are indoctrinated in the same system as we are.

enoesraht · 2022-03-28T07:21:17+00:00

14 yo and younger women in general notoriously like more feminine men. This is not disproving anything. The belief that women want men that are ultra masculine physically is also flawed, there needs to be a balance, while the "chad" archetype is good it is not the preferred one. Women are vicious to men they do not like and calculating to men they do like.

SpiritualEnema · 2022-03-28T00:10:18+00:00

You’re mainly speaking about boys and girls not men and women.

Is it really a surprise that priorities and sexual interests change once there are bills to pay and the dating pool opens up? Girls don’t need “the protector” type when dad is at home to protect them. I would argue that girls are more likely to be attracted to manly men when they do not have a father/man figure at home and desire that protector. I do not have any data to back this claim up, but my personal observations lead me to believe it is true. This is kind of the essence of daddy issues.

Ask pretty much any man here, women almost universally find it repulsive/unattractive when men show emotional vulnerability in all but the most extreme circumstances or with anybody but a spouse. Even then you have to be careful that she doesn’t lose respect for you.

Look no further than toxic feminist sites like r/femaledatingstrategy who are constantly complaining that need to man up and quit crying. Women enforce these kinds of closed off behaviors in men through sexual selection and shaming language. If it was attractive to be emotionally vulnerable as a man than you would see much, much more of it. The messed up thing is that women claim to want men like this, but let me tell you that the few times I was emotionally open with a woman it was obvious that we both regretted that it happened.

Of course there are exceptions, but they are few and far between.

2022-03-28T02:51:35+00:00

AWALT is just a medicine in the cabinet to stop men from fantasizing and idealizing every girl, prolonging a disease they refer to as “one-itis”. Because of the world we live in with women having endless sexual options & also still wanting sex a lot if they are healthy… combined with female empowerment, combined with a scarcity mentality vs women’s natural abundance. A lot of guys want to believe a women is this special angelic unicorn and only submissive or like that for him. Paired with mens natural need to want to protect & provide for a women, and yeah it’s so easy for guys to become that obsessed, infatuated & think “Wow, she’s not like other girls I just have her” or “wow, she’s truly special and I can’t live without her” with any beautiful women they spend enough time with. Men fall in love deeply through quality time, sex isn’t even required. Women fall in love & become attached deeply through sex, and yes any emotions associated with the man or the sex. Even toxic negative abusive asshole emotions, if she’s fucking the guy he’s still in her head rent free. AWALT technically isn’t true, but just like with true love being extremely scarce and 99% of people not being capable of it (at least in their current state of being), according to the spiritual book “The Power of Now”. Every man should only need himself for pure bliss and happiness, relying on women… even a special women is a recipe for disaster, suffering, and also puts you in a position of weakness. Your life may suffer, the women may disrespect you when she learns you really can’t leave her or live without her or it will destroy you. It took me years to learn all of this. This does not mean you can’t be vulnerable to a women you bonded deeply with, or show her how much you care about her & cherish all the time together, every thing you do in each other’s lives but she should feel that you will be fine even without her in it.

DzejSiDi · 2022-03-28T12:48:28+00:00

"AWALT" is a counter-response for every "just find a girl that's not like the others!". Some characteristics are shared among all healthy, post puberty girls due to hundreds of thousands years of sexual selection & reproduction. Even if "Mr Perfect" evolves in woman's mind as time progress, AWALT still applies. Redpill is mostly a praxeology, backed heavly by evolutionary psychology. PUAs were hitting on late teens and older females (hmm I wonder why... \s) and collected data how women react and what they do, PUAs were not interested in child's development process. Probably mentioned evolutionary psychology could help here.

A lot of ridiculous redpill "theories" fall apart when you acknowledge child development, such as the idea that women don't have traditionally male hobbies or interests unless they're fucked into us (how do girls develop interests as children? are we just empty shells until our teenage years when we start "absorbing" interests from our sexual partners?

I would say that "your" stupid theories fall apart, as you noticed, but that's not a redpill problem because they're not part of it. Although yes, plenty of young women don't have any specific hobbies and pick them from their boyfriends. This is mostly used for complaining about women being plain and boring, not for "proving" that girls are incapable of getting into male hobby by themselves.

TheEternalGhost · 2022-03-28T03:15:20+00:00

I was arguing with told me that the experience didn't count because I was a little girl (even though this went on until I was only 6 months short of legal adulthood).

We all acknowledge that a lot of little girls are attracted to pretty feminine boys. It may not feel like it to you, but a 17 year old girl is a little girl. A grown man is not even legally allowed to have sex with you in a lot of places. Most of these little girls change their tastes in men when they mature and have experienced the real world for a few years. The 40 year old grown women who fan-girl over 19 year old K-pop boys are seen as total losers that failed to develop.

They're not thinking about "beta bux" and certainly not "alpha fux"

There's quite a bit of "alpha fux" going on with highschool girls. The captain of the football team meme didn't come from nowhere. Alpha jocks and badboys get girls, there's no denying it. There's no a lot of beta bux because teenagers don't have financial independence, beta bux comes later in the real world.

So at what age do you think girls stop wanting Prince Charming and start wanting Chad Thundercock?

Just conjecture, but my thinking is that girls are shielded from the real world while they're at school and under their father's protection, but once they start making their way in the real world they start to understand what a masculine man can do for them. The reality is, the pretty feminine boy may get a lot of interest when he's 15, but picture him at 45... No one wants an old feminine pretty man.

Are they disgusted when a boy in their class cries, instead of concerned?

You keep trying to make this about children. We're adults here discussing adult topics. What happens with children in school isn't relevant to the real world. Grown women don't have a lot of empathy for grown men. There's not a big line of single women inviting homeless men into their houses to sleep or cooking them meals. I've volunteered at a soup van that fed homeless people, and all of the other volunteers and organisers were men.

A lot of ridiculous redpill "theories" fall apart when you acknowledge child development, such as the idea that women don't have traditionally male hobbies or interests unless they're fucked into us

I don't understand what this means.

2022-03-28T16:05:27+00:00

The ideal world for women is to marry the beta and continue fucking alpha.

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2022-03-28T09:41:05+00:00

i don't get why redpillers say you have to look like a hypermasculine chad when they themselves want younger women, 18-22 range usually prefer pretty boys with some masculine qualities.

''sensitivity'' or emotionalness i would say depends, but honestly a lot of it is shamed more by other men than women, when you don't focus your life on dating on sex, you'll realize this.

redditcleanslate · 2022-03-28T11:06:24+00:00

I assume if I stop being valuable she will move on. I assume if she's nearing her baby rabis years she will be more neurotic and push harder for a family than if she is 23 and just up for fun times. I assume if she acts like a bratty child to flirt with me and I take it in stride and not too seriously she's more likely to want to fuck me instead of being creeped out.

It kind of applied the moment I first said hello.

Title	Q4Men (Red Pill): At what point in a girl's life does 'AWALT' start to apply?
Author	IveGotIssues9918
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Date	March 27, 2022 11:40 PM UTC (2 years ago)
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