Q4RP: Reformed unsuccessful men & late bloomers, did TRP accurately predict how women, relationships, and sex would be once you began to experience it? What did it get right and what did it get wrong?

crackrocksteady7 · 2019-09-14T02:03:17+00:00

I've had more success being myself than being a red pill caricature

I've had more success being a red pill caricature version of myself than old me

What are your thoughts? Has TRP been right about how the women in your life would behave?

yes

Truedemocracy5 · 2019-09-14T04:03:36+00:00

Late bloomer for sure. Basically raised by single mother. In blue pill days put women on a pedestal and was overly respectful, didn’t even get first kiss until college.

Discovered TRP right after graduating, and twenties have been insane with women. High tier ones too: college athletes, college cheerleaders, doctors, lawyers, former models, you name it.

What TRP gets right:

self improvement. Lifting is huge component. But so is dressing well. Instead of the “beta bux” look like a nice button up and slacks go for a tight v neck. I thought this was dumb but when you have a muscular body women love it. A $5 vneck will take you further with women than a $120 brooks brothers shirt. Similarly, having interesting hobbies and experiences.
AWALT. This was one I especially didn’t believe but having slept with over 30 women in the past few years with the opportunity to sleep with many more I’d say it’s true. Take a devout Christian daddy’s girl, a progressive feminist, a workaholic, a fitness check, etc whoever they all respond to the exact same triggers. I find this most amusing with self described feminists because of all women they are the ones that think they can rise above their biology (spoiler alert, they cannot)
frame. This is everything. Never saying your sorry, not backing down from your own opinion, etc. shit works
women want to be controlled, led, and dominated. Ok not that blunt, but 50 shades was on point. Someone has to lead the relationship. Yes you can pat your girl on the head and say it’s “50/50” but someone has to take charge on the big and small decisions. When I was younger and left this in the air it hurt relationships. When you lead and lead well it helps them. All women want a strong leader to tell them what to do, yes even the feminists that insist they don’t
the wall - yes, this is real. But often misinterpreted

What red pill gets wrong, and some of these may be more the community than philosophy:

women are animals, men are rational. No, we are both tied to our biology. Men are logical? Maybe in some areas, but we display emotion (anger, violence) just as much too. We also are tied to the same attraction triggers women are. Difference being most men are honest about it
women can’t be trusted. Men are loyal. Again, wrong. Both people can be shit. Hypergamy all you want but if your husband gets rich and famous you can bet he will replace you with a newer model. Many men will also undercut guy friends for a chance at puss
women don’t have hobbies, men do. Lol if you count video games I guess. Not to act like unicorns exist but TRPers in general hang around lower quality women then those that are out there. Spoiler alert: high quality women aren’t on tinder and aren’t at the club

eboy4hire · 2019-09-14T03:19:15+00:00

The main nightmare of dating for me is cold approaching women, and getting ghosted 99% of the time. Once I finally found a girl who was chill and dtf, it wasn't hell. I think it is important to be aware of those worst case scenarios that TRP brings up though. It does kind of take a little bit of my soul that every girl that ghosts me is probably fucking some other guy(s), but I admit that's an irrational emotion. When you can literally see what their ass looks like through yoga pants, you hate to be restricted from fucking that girl.

AConvertedLurker · 2019-09-14T14:36:16+00:00

Definitely a late bloomer, I'd say there's a LOT that trp gets rights, but also bits it gets wrong.

The self improvement stuff was eye opening, and there's no doubt people treat you waaayyy differently if you're more attractive. I've found "average" women are completely different to me now, and will put up with way more bs. And there are a LOT of girls who almost have double lives in terms of how they act to me then to less attractive guys.

The flip side is it makes you cynical of "average" women but also more empathetic for attractive women, because you can relate to the unwanted attention and lack of quality partners (most guy ARE pretty rubbish ngl).

The main bit trp seems to get wrong imo is the REASON behind "af/BB". It isn't that women "want to ride the cock carousel then settle down" on the whole, they want a high quality guy to settle down with from the start, but attractive guys are happy to fuck down then not commit. If anything, WE'RE the real "af/BB"'s

missile · 2019-09-14T02:02:53+00:00

I learned about the red pill the old way, by experience. I learned it decades before it was a thing or I had access to english or the internet.Although way younger than most would assume, here we have a earlier sex life than in the first world.

It is not a coincidence me and other men were led to the same conclusions and some of those became the red pill. It is just how things are. It happens everywhere, so much so It is reflected here in Brazil the same way it is anywhere else.

I consider that the red pill can predict 70-80% of Women's behavior in the sexual and relationship market place and around 50% of men's behavior. Most data I know of also corroborates it (I am a researcher on economics), so it may have the "why"s incorrect but surelly not the results.

My only hard problem with it is that it is too reliant on evolutionary explanation when I think social environmental condition is well suited enough to explain the data.

TheJim66 · 2019-09-14T01:05:03+00:00

I found it 100% accurate.What do you think it gets wrong?

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jax006 · 2019-09-14T04:33:43+00:00

Right?

Everything about hypergamy, pushing past LMR, being "alpha" until you've got enough masculinity tokens^tm, abundance mentality, ect.

Wrong?

AWALT. You can def find unicorns.

j3wbacca996 · 2019-09-14T12:11:12+00:00

So my situation was a little different. I wasn’t totally unsuccessful when it came to girls in high school, but I still didn’t know what I was doing at all. If I got laid, it basically was an accident, and it would be hard for me to repeat that experience again with a different girl.

It wasn’t until TRP that I actually acquired a sexual strategy that I could repeat again and again that I could use with different girls. For me, TRP is about 85%-90% absolute truth. I’m engaged now, but I have no idea how I’d get to this point without TRP.

MrHerbSherman · 2019-09-14T16:05:58+00:00

More or less right

Apparently it gets “women’s lived experiences” wrong but I don’t really care about that because I don’t think someone’s internal state is super valuable or meaningful

Also it’s very over the top, you have to take all the topics and dial them way way way back down for it to actually resemble the real world

Title	Q4RP: Reformed unsuccessful men & late bloomers, did TRP accurately predict how women, relationships, and sex would be once you began to experience it? What did it get right and what did it get wrong?
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Date	September 14, 2019 12:56 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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