Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about RP/TRP?

TheGreasyPole · 2015-10-23T15:27:03+00:00

Well, it is annoying how TRP is both the biggest shop window for RP... And at the same time such a poor advertisement for it.

Letting the noobs run wild is a lot of fun, and there are good reasons to do it. I just wished we'd done it somewhere else other than our largest shop window.

I'd rather people's first experience of RP was a front page including the best blog articles written by our best pros. Not a front page where 90% of content is written by the very noobiest-noobs in the RP-O-Sphere.

In a similar vein, I'm not over the moon about TRPs promotion of outright misogyny. (By which I DO NOT mean "anything negative said about females" but by which I DO mean "actual hatred of the entire female gender).

As all the RP dudes know... RP doesn't require, or even actively promote misogyny. It is not useful to cloud your personal judgement and strategy with hatred. It makes you less successful. It also is unjustified. The girls are just being female humans in the exact same way we are male humans.

If guys want to take that hit then fine, there is nothing to stop you doing so and I won't try.... But TRP (but not RP) seems to have slipped slightly from toleration of it, into outright encouragement of it. I think that's a strategic mistake. If RP is everything that works and misogyny is not useful... Then we shouldn't be encouraging that so much as helping guys move through that phase to more useful areas.

RP itself is awesome. My concerns are mainly what I see as TRP failing to present that in an ideal way, but of course... It's not an ideal world either.

RP itself has basically nailed it in describing male-female interaction. We've just got to get better at controlling and channeling the noobs, the anger and the hatred hearing the truth causes.

EDIT: Me and ARS have kicked around an idea for an "unplugging" filter before. I still think that'd be extremely useful for most TRP members.

Oh and... MRP link on the sidebar would be extremely useful for married guys like me who floundered around for a few weeks before discovering MRP.

exit_sandman · 2015-10-23T15:30:35+00:00

Strictly related to RP:

gullibility (no, not all of these stories at /r/relationships that confirm TRP are legit)
ignoring the first two rules of the Fight Club (stop posting obvious redpill comments everywhere and please for the love of god don't send hate mail to sluts)
seeing nails everywhere because you have a hammer (no, not every single fucking film is a treasure chest full of redpill truths, sometimes a movie is just a movie)
the term "RP truths" (sorry, that just sounds religious)
poor ambiguity tolerance
using extreme outliers to argue for TRP
problems with concepts of correlation, causation and spurious relationships (not as nasty as TBPers who totally drop the ball on that one, but still)
absurd fixation on youth and virginity coupled with a lack of realism (nope, if you're 40 marrying a 20 year old virgin probably won't work out, even if you manage to find one who digs you)
bringing political issues to TRP that don't belong there (political issues that are a fit are another matter)

alreadyredschool · 2015-10-23T17:01:09+00:00

What frustrates me the most is the lack of posts regarding the steps of escalation with a girl, taking her from someone your chatting with on a date to making out/sex etc. A LOT of guys have trouble crossing that boundary. There is an over abundance of posts on talking to girls or spinning plates, but not enough about the middle ground.

ProtoPill · 2015-10-23T15:16:41+00:00

I have made my main criticism of TRP very apparent: beta is not necessarily bad, and its corollary, alpha is not necessarily good. I subscribe to the functional leadership, functional support model of the true alpha--the balanced patriarch. TRP subscribers frequently conflate higher beta with alpha, when, in reality, the latter is comprised of thieves, warlords, murderers, etc.

Archwinger · 2015-10-23T16:01:45+00:00

The people pleasers/concern trolls. E.g., "I think X, Y, and Z about The Red Pill are fine, but people would really like TRP better if we didn't say A, B, and C and explained Z a little differently." TRP is supposed to be a pile of information, not some community that wants other people on the internet to like and understand it. It's irrelevant whether people like TRP. You log on to Reddit to read and learn things, then go live a better real life because of it.

Along those same lines, I don't like the identity-seekers. TRP isn't some community people should be trying to belong to. Some group of like-minded bros. It's a pile of information, spit out by the community members. Shared stories, observations, advice, etc. People who announce, "I don't really consider myself Red Pill because these kinds of people are fucking up the subreddit with shit-posts and woman hate" are missing the point. TRP isn't something you "belong" to or consider yourself a part of. It's not a social movement. It's supposed to be a big-ass pile of information you read, then go back and live a better real life afterward. If you're trying to belong to an internet community and find your identity by being a member of something, you missed the whole point of TRP.

Halfed · 2015-10-23T18:16:50+00:00

TRP is too harsh on women, they hyperbole way too much, and they don't understand that women are human too. They have hopes, dreams, beliefs, and fears. Are there basic bitches out there? Yes there are. Is AWALT a thing, yes yes it is.

But to ignore all the other facets of a person is crude and frankly stupid.

Xemnas81 · 2015-10-23T19:10:41+00:00

My only gripe is people over think it. Alpha isn't being Brodin. Alpha is being aware of your situation. You don't need to spin plates, fuck sluts. Just listen to the core principles, be in control of your life, don't let women ruin you and youll be just fine

squirrelcuisine · 2015-10-23T17:33:22+00:00

I'm actually starting to think I am not RedPill. Ive never given a shit about my "Body Count" it was always about finding a nice non alpha mean girl to make a family with. I never stuck my dick in crazy. I never stuck my dick in anything that was risky either no matter HOW good it looked. Ive always been this way probably since 17. I actually think guys that are my peers at 45 dating women that are 25 are pathetic. PEople at 25 are completely different than people at 35-50. Im sorry. In High School it was lame to snag a freshman when you are a senior and I think it is still wrong.

You fucked her? Great.. now what?

Did you lie about your intentions to bed her? (you know a lot of them do it. alot of them use every trick in the book because AWALT and fuck em. )

TRP kinda irritates me to my core. much like whiny people in MarriedRedPill too..

Own your shit. Be trustworthy and cast off garbage as soon as you can.

Dont know. I see a lot of guys

circleJerk #confirmationbias

AWALT! See! never get married!

Whatever. I see that never get married shit as people that lose the overall game of life. Their genes die. You lose.

Marriage is no harder than lifting. You can get hurt doing both.

Just kinda my anti-RP rant against the young ones that think they got it all figured out.. Meanwhile all the good ones are getting sucked up by the smart ones OR they are getting screwed up by lying douchebags. (and then they become the bitter man hating women with good cause)

Ugh... whatever..

That is kinda my old man rant of the day.

Atlas_B_Shruggin · 2015-10-23T15:29:41+00:00

Their insistence that men with jobs and bosses are alphas. their belief that women are sluts because of "lack of self control", which is pure male solipolilily. the high population of non-anglosphere participants scuzzing it up with non-anglo attitudes towards virginity and general dorkiness. the complete and total lack of advice to be "cool", but thats a function if them being reddit nerds, not RP ideas. Their belief that dour, lecturing and boring is the "strong silent type". the extreme moralizing of the userbase, which is NOT RP (women arent "bad" for being hypergamous, its just their nature, eg)

as ive said before, i am from the man-o-sphere, not TRP, anything i find wrong with TRP is a function of the TRP userbase, not "RP ideas"

disposable_pants · 2015-10-23T22:25:43+00:00

One idea I've seen only touched tangentially in this thread is the the difference between intent and rational response to incentives.

TRP frequently (and rightly) notes how women are given tremendous sexual power at an early age, are able to use it with little to no consequence, and have a far more extensive network of social failsafes than men. They have near limitless access to decent sex in their 20s+ and there's no recourse (high partner counts don't matter as one can simply move to a different city, find a new circle of friends, and lie about their number). Wouldn't anyone in that situation -- tons of free pleasure with few risks and even fewer lasting repercussions -- take advantage of it? Women are responding rationally to the incentives society gives them; they're not intentionally going out into the world with the mindset of being as promiscuous as possible and then tricking someone into marriage.

The second bit of TRP I criticize is the overuse of emotionally-charged jargon. I'm fine with acronyms and shorthand references, but the goal should be accurate communication. TRP jargon that includes unnecessary emotional connotations reduces the accuracy of the message and can distract from the issue at hand.

[deleted] · 2015-10-24T00:14:21+00:00

Some contributors (not all) just sound like rebelious and angsty teenagers and its so obvious in the speech they use. They usually spout nonsense that appeals to men in the anger phase. We need a seperate sub for this shit!

Also started seeing redpillers on Facebook... Wtf? Thats breaking Rule 1.

GaiusScaevolus · 2015-10-23T15:07:26+00:00

Newbies who read for a < week then start arguing theory with Mods/ECs, or Alpha bro-ing. Settle down young blood, RPS doesn't need to be told to 'next' a girl, I'm 90% sure you aren't more familiar than I am with dread/SMP economic theory and GLO is many things but 'beta' isn't one of them.

Aerobus · 2015-10-23T15:51:07+00:00

Moderates.

man0man · 2015-10-23T16:08:49+00:00

TRP "field reports" that read like literotica for really insecure dudes. Self-praise is for losers.

MagicGainbow · 2015-10-23T16:49:47+00:00

All the new and i'd say mostly young posters that are about now, any viewpoints they don't like are jumped on and downvoted.

I've seen so many new guys with posts that are unoriginal/straight up rip offs off fight club and they all jerk each other off over how great they are...read the fucking sidebar/older posts.

In saying that some of the older married trpers can be just as annoying, they will defend some shit to the death because otherwise would be them admitting they've fucked up/are in a shit situation.

[deleted] · 2015-10-23T18:51:50+00:00

The masturbatory, humble braggy, and cringe-worthy (probably fake) field reports

LifterofThings · 2015-10-24T00:37:33+00:00

The complete lack of understanding as to what "amoral" means.

[deleted] · 2015-10-24T01:30:26+00:00

Too many edgelords.

[deleted] · 2015-10-23T16:10:23+00:00

None of it.

That's not to say that I think the entire red pill is perfect or that there aren't bits that make my job teaching the course difficult. However, I understand that gronking, stubbornness, bitchery, and whatever else are necessary steps on the learning curve. I wouldn't undo any of it if I could, unless the question was if I'd make the universe an easier place. All and all, I like that the guys there are trying even if it's an unfortunate process.

[deleted] · 2015-10-24T11:15:05+00:00

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Title	Q4RP: What do you find most frustrating about RP/TRP?
Author	alreadyredschool
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Comments	118
Date	October 23, 2015 2:53 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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