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Q4W: How would you react if your boyfriend lied to you about his financial situation?

December 15, 2019
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Let's say you're dating a guy and everything is great. He works a regular job and makes enough to support himself, he's very frugal, and otherwise has no reason to raise any red flags with you. Just your typical run of the mill guy.

However, after dating him for some time, you discover he's significantly more wealthy than he let on. Not Jeff Bezos rich, but he has the option to easily take care of you both and you never have to work again. Suddenly, all the times he mentioned being broke or not having money doesn't make sense.

You confront him and he says he loves you, but he couldn't trust you until he was sure of your intentions. How do you navigate this? What would be your response?

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Title Q4W: How would you react if your boyfriend lied to you about his financial situation?
Author _Neon_Shadow_
Upvotes 7
Comments 168
Date December 15, 2019 2:19 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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[–]findingfemininitydo you even love your bf if you don't wear a jar of his cum?11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My fiance had no idea how much I made until we moved in together (~2yrs into the relationship) and the full extent of my wealth until after engagement.

That being said I was never a massive penny pincher or pretended to be broke. I've payed my fair share of everything and even treated him at times.

It's one thing to not want a new SO to know how much money you have and another to straight up lie about being broke. The latter is incredibly shitty and I would not date a man like that.

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

in the event that i go retarded and A.) become blind to all of the signifiers of accumulated wealth and class and B.) ever find myself dating a man who would describe himself as "very frugal", i'd probably be like "you're a fucking weirdo dude" or maybe even "uh, okay? what made you assume i assumed anything about your finances lol"

like i'd honestly be more inclined to believe he was larping as "a man of the people" or had trust fund shame like a lot of rich dudes do, not that he was trying to "test me" and if that was the excuse he used i'd definitely be making fun of him to everyone

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

or had trust fund shame like a lot of rich dudes do,

Anyone who wants to overcome his trust fund shame by financially supporting a herd of retired dairy cows is welcome to contact me!

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You wouldn't believe how many times I've been called "a fucking weirdo" IRL. I own it.

[–]alpha_in_progress0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What makes people call you that?

[–]wildtimes31 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He is probably a weirdo

[–]coffeythrow0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Usually confidence higher than perceived SMV.

[–]ontherailstoday7 points8 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

I know it means any time he doubts me or does not know whether he should doubt me or not, he will actively lie to me... big lies. I'm going to be a very sad girl and will probably take an entire weekend off just in bed by myself, no computers, no friends, no distractions, no contact, mulling over how this could go. It is possible the relationship will not survive. We'd be in better shape at this point if he'd told no active lies and had just relied upon my assumptions.

It also means any admiring I did of him because of how he handles his money problems... how brave and disciplined he's being... well that never really happened. Something admirable about him never actually existed.

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly10 points11 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

Now you understand how men feel when they realize a woman who has unenthusiastic sex with him actually was enthusiastic about sex with men before him.

[–]ontherailstoday6 points7 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

whut

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly-1 points0 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

A typo, I meant "now".

[–]ontherailstoday4 points5 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

still what

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I mean, you remember those memes how she did anal and shit with other men but only starfishes sex with an author?

[–]ontherailstoday4 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

I just don't see the relevance? The problem that is causing the pain is that he lies to me. It isn't that he told the truth to other women but then lies to me.

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. In that meme a woman lies that she is not into those kinds of things, while she just does not want to do that with him.

[–]ontherailstoday5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

But that's not analogous with...

oh whatever... you just keep thinking whatever it is you think, if I wanted this sorta work I'd have gone into teaching highschool english

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lmao

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

It's not language issue, you just don't get the analogy.

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Because if you ever change your mind or try something and find out you don't like it that's exactly like purposefully lying to someone.

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

No, she liked those things with those men, that's the point.

[–]poppy_blublack midget wine mom 🍷4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The difference is sex the past, money is the here and now and the future.

Honestly it would bother me if we got married and he didn’t disclose his financial status, because once we’re married legally we share that status and what he does affects me.

The equivalent to me would be she didn’t reveal she was a porn star or a prostitute or had a disease. Not “omg she gave her last bf a BJ after 17 days and its been 18 days OMG she’s a monster who is going to destroy my life!!!”

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Makes sense.

[–]VexingTetrimino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

that is such a false equivalency. please read this

[–]WicGoingAnonymousNo Pill13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Bye bye bye

It's a dumb thing to do. Because he's doing it to get rid of the gold diggers.

And the gold diggers would stay after such a revelation and the others would leave.

So you still end up with a gold digger.

[–]ontherailstoday4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And the gold diggers would stay after such a revelation and the others would leave.

This. He's going to run through girls who value honesty and co-operation more than money and find it deeply disturbing he would lie for so long, until he finds a girl who is mainly after a provider but thought his gainfully employed but not well off persona was the best she could do in that regard. so he still gets a gold digger, just a lower value gold digger than he could have had.

[–]Orange_PaisleyOrange pill is best pill6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If we were splitting the tab for dates, no biggy. If he was sad sacking me into paying for him I would dump him.

[–]nosynobodyPurple Pill Woman9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Depends tbh, if he vaguely said he has investments i wouldn't press and respect the ambiguity. But if he willfully lied to me it's pretty clear he doesn't respect me and no man is worth my self respect. I would leave!

[–]AxeLond0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So is framing and the implication important here? Saying you're broke means you're insolvent and just unable to pay. If you just replace broke with another phrase like "I don't want to spend money on this", "I don't think it's worth the money", "waste of money", 'afford' also has some ambiguity, so are those things fine?

Or does that just mean he doesn't respect you enough to actually spend money on stuff (even though he could), and basically be the same thing?

[–]nosynobodyPurple Pill Woman3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No rather ambiguity regarding finances is ok. Like I've told my s/o a round figure of how much i earn rather than go into details.

"I don't think it's worth the money", "waste of money", 'afford To be these seem straightforward. If we disagree on spending habits we can have an honest discussion about it.

"I would rather invest this money on something else" even a simple "i just didn't feel like bringing my card today" is more honest than "i am poor/broke" that is straight up lying. Why would i want to be with someone who lies. It's simply the difference between telling someone "i don't want to tell you something" v "i will lie about something" No matter how much each party earns it's disrespectful to expect the other person to spend 100%. I would say both parties spend what they are comfortable with and ask the other person to pay.

[–]Garrison_road20 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No matter how much each party earns it's disrespectful to expect the other person to spend 100%

Literally the philosophy of FDS is that the man should pay 100% of rent and bills regardless of income...it’s written on your wiki...

[–]nosynobodyPurple Pill Woman1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I adopt parts of FDS, furthermore i think that works for the initial dates not in a ltr. It's a strategy for weeding out LVM

[–]Maybelowsmvman-repellant9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Stay. Why would I fumble the bag?

[–]mechanical_elves0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

So how much money makes being lied to multiple times, and the prospect of that lying continuing, worth it for you?

Also, would you stay with him if it turned out he was actually being honest all those times and his only lie was about being wealthy?

[–]Maybelowsmvman-repellant2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'll stay for as long as it benefits me. If he was honest every other time, thats great. But yeah, I think if he was a liar 24/7, I'd stay until I feel like it's time to find my real man to have kids with lol

[–]mechanical_elves0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My question was whether would you stay with him if he had only lied once about being wealthy, and it actually turned out that he was poor all along.

[–]Maybelowsmvman-repellant0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ohhhhh. If he was poor im gone

[–]mechanical_elves0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

At least if the dude's not a complete idiot he would have gotten a few easy lays out of it.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer10 points11 points  (67 children) | Copy Link

This is a silly hypothetical because women always know when a man has money. We can smell it on you!

[–]the-lone-squidSquid 20205 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Nu uh. I always tell women half my salary when i first meet them. And i drive a cheap car as well.

Y'all gullible

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Nope. We know ...

[–]reluctantly_red6 points7 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yeah once a guy starts talking it becomes clear he's driving that twenty year old F-150 by choice not necessity.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. If a guy is seriously doing the FIRE thing and actually living like a poor person, he may be able to pull off the deception. But an ordinary rich guy who is just pretending to be lower-class to fend off gold-diggers? He's not going to be consistent ... there will be tells.

Ha, I remember my ex-husband bragging about how he tried to tone it down when he met me as he was tired of girls chasing him for his money. Of course I knew he was loaded from the start, but I played along and pretended to have been fooled as it seemed like the kind thing to do.

[–]the-lone-squidSquid 20200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, FIRE is a legit way of life

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely!!

[–]the-lone-squidSquid 20200 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Hey, f-150s used to be a great truck. After my brand new one broke down on me twice, I'd much rather have a used one

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It was a great work truck for almost 250,000 miles. Then it overheated on my oldest daughter caught fire and burned on Highway 99 by Stockton. Daughter said the firemen were super cute.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Toyotas are more reliable

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I drive a Prius now.

[–]Oncefa2SJW0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

In fairness a 20 year old Ford requires a good bit of money to keep running.

Hell, even a brand new Ford requires a lot of money to keep on the road.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Other than gas and oil changes I didn't spend shit on that truck. And I only paid $1,600 to buy it.

[–]the-lone-squidSquid 20200 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmm, idk. Im not rich, just comfortable. 60% of my paycheck goes straight into savings and investing, so I really do live the lifestyle below my income.

I've even kept the same car for over a year this time.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker5 points6 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Women reading “money tells” is like men reading “slut tells.”

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

maybe if the girl herself is poor, but money generally knows money

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

some prole stemlord doing FIRE and saving up frugality money may have money, but he wont have money tells hell have prole tells

[–]skystar860 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

But they would be able to tell if a salesman had money right?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What?

[–]skystar860 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Could women tell if a real estate agent or a cars salesman was rich and hiding it?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

part of being one of those two things is giving the appearance of wealth and success so thats a really weird example

[–]skystar860 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

In the case he's trying to ward of gold diggers so he pretends to be poor. He'd have to hide his suits and things like that though.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

ok i really have like no idea what youre saying

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Fair point.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

LMAO seriously, i'm trying to figure out how this hypothetical would even work because its something i've seen presented on reddit before, a man hiding his financial situation. dude i'm not retarded lol

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

So how would you know, if he drives a Honda Civic, is frugal, and knows how to repair things himself, and sometimes gets stressed he won't have enough money to cover the bills or asks you for money

Like what would be the tip off for you that he's actually wealthy

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

"sometimes gets stressed he wont have enough money to cover bills and asks you for money"

so in this scenario he's not lying by omission but actually presenting himself as a bum and asking me for money and committing fraud? this scenario requires so much fantasy world unrealistic stuff that doesn't happen in real life in order to be plausible lmao.

in order for this to work the woman would have to be the kind of woman who financially supports poor men in the first place. like the question becomes "how would you react if your sugar baby turned out to be wealthy?"

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

Fair, let's scrap that part

Let's say he doesn't ask the girl for money, but he does sometimes complain that he never has enough money, and tends to pick cheaper activities and portrays a simple lifestyle

How then would the woman know he isn't an average Joe

[–]circuitburner2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

They don't. They're not psychic. Some are extremely judgemental and jump to conclusions and think it's some type of gift. It's really just being wrong but with additional thinking.

Another thing is that a lot of people don't think a guy is rich unless he has close to a million liquid, any less and being rich is not what you are in their eyes. I've heard this opinion from tons of people who struggle to have $10000 in their bank account to boot.

I have a few hundred grand from investments, and own the place I live in. I'm really certain the women I've dated don't suspect a thing because most women I meet talk about poor person shit like trying to start a business and rent. Some try to talk down to me about money, they obviously don't know. It makes sense because I don't show it.

I've had women stop talking to me because they thought I was house poor from renting too nice of an apartment, when I own the thing. They have no clue.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Hah good work on the success mate

Got any advice for me (about to graduate university BSc in April gonna get into commissioned sales) on any types of investment vehicles to avoid/aim for?

Dad said he MIGHT give me $30,000 that I would probably use to make a down payment and try to get a rental property in a college town. I'd probably live upstairs and rent out the rest

[–]circuitburner0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Just get involved and don't jump into anything high risk as a beginner. You'll get knowledge over time on when to use different vehicles.

The hardest thing is knowing that a lot people from our generation are actually going to just be alone into old age, so just fend for yourself and get covered so you can retire with dignity.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Covered? Do you mean long term care insurance, or just have enough invested to be able to afford the costs on my own

I'm from an immigrant community where EVERYONE gets married, and most tend to have decent jobs and educations, so worst case scenario I'd marry an educated Muslim girl even though I don't believe in the religion anymore. 2nd gen immigrants in this community still value family, tend to take care of their elderly parents, and don't seem to divorce at anywhere near the divorce rates as native Canadians

[–]circuitburner1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't matter how, just make sure you'll be taken care of if something happens. Bonus if your family stays together.

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

so again if he literally ever complains about "not having enough money" when he does then he is a grifter and i tend to spot bullshitters like that pretty easily

you can follow money trails. people have careers that are pretty easy to track down, people have parents and family that are also pretty easy to track down, the idea that wealthy men can legitimately live "off the grid" in 2019 and mask how much they have is a pipedream and that's on google stalking luv. beyond that you can just listen to how someone speaks, their education, their friend circle, their education level, where they live (not just the value of their place but the neighborhood), etc, and realize when things don't add up

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah. It’s nontrivial but wealthy people can easily come off middle class if they want: you could have tens of millions but live middle class. I’ve heard about families like that fooling their kids till they’re 16 or 18 and tell them that they’re actually loaded. Hell I’ve seen it once myself.

[–]circuitburner0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Well their family might live low key too, if their money is sitting in investments you would never know. I get mislabeled as some rent poor repair man living in too nice of an apartment. Women definitely think I am trying to get with them to split rent or something. It's pretty sad actually.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

if he doesn't have access to the money then i don't consider him to have money

[–]circuitburner0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that's what most people believe. What you mean is that if theyre not actively spending a bunch of money in front of you, you don't think they're rich. Nobody does stuff like that anymore.

You can pull money from investments out and spend them that day if you're not in the Stone age/have an investment app so I have no idea what your point is.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i assumed this post was about the actually wealthy, not umc strivers, and if saving your money means you have to live in shitty conditions and vibe as "rent poor" to people, then you're not who i'm talking about. rich people definitely spend money so who tf is the "nobody" you're talking about lmao

[–][deleted]  (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I see what you're saying now. Did he grow up UMC?

People tend to think I'm super weird because I was born into extreme poverty in a mud house in the 3rd world. I'm a normal middle class guy now, but being so poor that we were starving when I was a toddler has left a mark and a serious fear of hunger or poverty in the future

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Would it be a lie of omission to claim poverty but not reveal the reason your checking account is empty is because all extra money goes into your retirement account?

Asking for a friend.

[–]goatismycopilotcatladycatladycatlady🐐🐐🐐🐐3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You must be doing something wrong if you have no money in your checking account I put 25 percent of my income in a 403B and still have money in the checking account.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have kids.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

is frugal,

is a tell that hes saving money and is a frugality millionaire lol

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

What if he's just a regular poor-average guy who lives within his means

Are most low income people actually living off credit and don't even have the most basic grasp of budgeting?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

thats fine, frugality has a nuance and a meaning. it implies cheapness and abstemiousness and a refusal to spend money. a man who can budget and plan is great, frugal men try to make their wives make homemade period pads

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol that's fair, I draw the line at cheapness

I am frugal, but not cheap

I try to balance money and time

[–]goatismycopilotcatladycatladycatlady🐐🐐🐐🐐2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If they ask me for money then I exit.

[–]rizzyraech0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like, no exception, it doesn't matter how long you've been together? Or just in the initial phase?

Genuinely curious. I can't imagine doing that. I have no qualms in helping out my partner if they need it. Everyone hits hard times.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Lol yall wish. You guys are incredibly gullible. There is no women's intuition or magical ability that allows you to sniff out anything.

[–]Bright_ItempasBlue Pill Woman0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not intuition nor magical ability. It's skill (attention to detail) mixed with experience (knowing wealthy people enough to know the tells).

Most women can't tell, but there are plenty of women who can.

[–]DrBobyRed Pill dad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

All women can tell. Some are just not aware of it.

Everything a woman is interested in are wealth indicators:
-Tall ? Wealth indicator.
-Educated ? Wealth.

There is not 1 thing which poor have more than rich, that women are interested in.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that new money wanting to hide it could do a good job of looking middle class if they wanted.

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I doubt it.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You realize that thinking you're invulnerable actually makes you more vulnerable?

[–]rus9384Aromantic but cuddly0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course. What I mean, I doubt it's impossible to win "hide your money" game.

[–]Kos_-_Omak0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

No. Most women think they're good at it but they're usually terrible.

UC women from rich families can usually tell almost instantly.

MC/UMC women are clueless.

LC poor women think everyone is rich

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This right here.

[–]imjgaltstill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Any answer other than a heartfelt apology and a blowjob fails

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly, from the title I thought this was going to be the other way...

This actually happened to someone I know. She thought it was a hilarious surprise. They're married now. He still lives like a broke guy, because that's what he's like. The appropriate response in this situation is "Cool!" It's like you have a crush on a guy, and then you get together and find out he's really good at giving head--it's just a nice bonus.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Avoiding the topic is fine. Telling me he had boundaries about financial disclosure is fine. Lying to me over a timespan would distroy my trust and sour the realsionship to the point it would probably be over.

[–]SunflowerBurstMy best friend thinks I’m just telling lies...alright2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A wealthy person playing at poverty is super tacky

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not "playing at poverty" being financially responsible would be a better way to phrase it.

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[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Accepting gifts -- you mean like women do all the time?

[–]Jathrowaway971 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not many lie to get them though. If they expect a provider they’ll let you know and you can decide they’re high maintenance and leave or you can stay if you don’t mind gifting.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

One lie in an otherwise perfect relationship. Really? You'd end it?

[–]Tomatoccino3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s never just one lie.

[–]goatismycopilotcatladycatladycatlady🐐🐐🐐🐐1 point2 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Why would he talk about being broke though? What do you mean by frugal?

[–][deleted]  (20 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

no we know what frugal means and it still sucks

[–]goatismycopilotcatladycatladycatlady🐐🐐🐐🐐1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want the OP to define it.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Frugality isn't supposed to be fun.

It's to accumulate savings to then invest and convert into more wealth than you had today, so that you can have a better lifestyle later without having to work a wageslave job like everyone else

This is the difference between thinking shirt term vs long term... you know, being a mature adult, and not basing decisions on fun and what feels good

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Frugality isn't supposed to be fun.

yeah we know but life and relationships are supposed to be

i'm not really into wealth hoarding, i save enough to be reliable and then i indulge with the rest of it. if a guy is a savings maniac to the point that it interferes with my fun then gtfo. idgaf about the constructs of being a "mature adult" lol

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Mature being preparing for a rainy day

A lot of people seem to save/invest under the assumption that they'll always be healthy and the way their lives are now will continue this way, no one considers saving for the unbelievably expensive costs if they get disabled or need cancer drugs or any major change in life that's unexpected

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You are amazingly prescient for a young man. Your parents raised you well ...

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Haha thanks, but it wasn't just my parent's lessons

I was born in a mud house and lived through actual 3rd world poverty and remember fighting other kids for scraps of food we'd forage from garbage, we were so skinny we literally looked like walking skeletons. The experiences of my childhood definitely left a mark on my soul. On the plus side I've got pretty low standards so I don't need a nice car or a fancy crib or nice clothes (I'm the king of champagne taste on a coolaid budget but the downside to all this is that I spend an unhealthy amount of time imagining scenarios of winding up in poverty and how I'd dig my way out, or getting stranded in a foreign country with no money and trying to figure out how I'd survive.

The fear of hunger and poverty is pretty real and forefront in my head to this day: almost 18 years later. It's why I started gardening and thrifting and learning to sew and cut my own hair (I can do some sweet fades now!) and work on cars and learning about personal finance, because the ability to be self sufficient puts my mind at ease

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Impressive! :-)

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Now that you mention it, I guess it is kinda impressive the different skills I've picked up

I enjoy the process of learning new things... but no harm using the bragging rights I've earned lol

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Wouldn't want to interfere with a woman's fun. Heaven forbid.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

girls just wanna

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sadly few women are willing to work toward long-term goals. They have men (plural) for that.

[–]circuitburner2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ouch, that's a mindset that will burn a lot of people in later years. Depending on someone to pay your future is a horrible retirement plan. I'd bet less than 1:10 men are able to, and a good amount that could aren't willing to. Times have changed, and this problem will rear it's head in later years.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Frugality isn't supposed to be

fun

.

thats why its a super unattractive trait in a man

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think this is why women as a collective rarely become wealthy

They seem to want to have fun ALL THE TIME, this must be why they weren't trusted and had limited rights in the past

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

yes. thats right

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Atlas, you're gonna turn me into a misogynist, and I can't blame you because this kind of YOLO "not taking responsibility for what happens to you" behavior drives me crazy

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

why get mad at reality? what can be known can be manipuated

hows your bone marrow?

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

What can be manipulated? I don't know what you were referring to

I try not to get mad, but I can't help it. I try to not pay attention instead when people talk about their life choices. I'm starting to turn into a grumpy person, it's like I need to make an effort to be in a good mood

Gonna meet the Hematologist for the first time tomorrow, she'll look at my blood work and schedule the biopsy. Thanks for asking

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why would he talk about being broke though? What do you mean by frugal?

He would decline outings and things that are relatively expensive. For frugal, he's very diligent about saving and attempts to cut cost whenever possible.

[–]goatismycopilotcatladycatladycatlady🐐🐐🐐🐐0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well do not know what is considered expensive if this person never wants to go out or do anything we are never getting to the wealth discovery phase.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's say going out is fine but he's unlikely to spend over $200 and purchases over $500 are seen as expensive and extravagant.

[–]ReisiluuUnlearning0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I tell people all the time I can't afford something, don't have the money or that I'm broke. It just means I'd rather keep my money than spend it this time. I'd assume his frugal habits are the reason he is so well off. Not trusting me sounds like he's got baggage which could be a red flag but on the other hand him being debt-free and smart with money is a green flag.

[–]SqueaksScreech0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't give a shit. Our money will always be separated. He pays half and I psy off of all bills.

I would be pissed if he called me a gold digger or insulted my money management. Firdt of all I couldn't care about a rats ass if he had money. The fact he has to hide it because he can't trust me then why the fuck even date me?.

[–]Tomatoccino0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It would make me wonder what else he was lying about. I doubt I would stay, because I wouldn’t be able to trust him again.

[–]Animalcrossing4eva0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would let him know that lying is unacceptable. And that he can make it up to me...somehow. You all are so sensitive. You’ll reject every guy until you’re an old maid.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

All lies are deal breakers

[–]grand_tiremasterpurple ISFP💛0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’d understand his reasoning. Then ask him if we could get some chickens. That is the important question and precedes all decision making from there.

[–]Sophiatab0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I would be mad as hell because anyone who knows me well, knows how much I hate my job, but I have financial responsibilities that require me working at what I do because of the salary it provides. The idea that my partner could have stood by watching me suffer when they could have prevented it with no real effort on their part would be an unforgivable situation.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I guess it depends on how long we’ve been dating for. In general though I would feel pretty shit about being lied to. Dating someone who starts out with the mindset that he doesn’t trust me is bound to fail. I also think frugality when not necessary is kind of odd. Saving money is one thing but not enjoying yourself even though you have the means to doesn’t really work with how I want to live my life.

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[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

"Frugality" is such an unattractive trait in the first place and is a red flag

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not to frugal women!

Big spenders scare me half to death, lol.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But debt is hot?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

did you mean to reply to me?

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

sorry i cant follow your logic. why is the alternative to "Frugal" debt with nothing in between? and yes, profligate men are more attractive than abstemious ones at all times, all other things being equal. you probably dont understand what frugal implies

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

yeah "frugality" is something different than just not having expensive tastes.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

right

[–]churnthrowaway1234561 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Let's keep it 100: The type of guy who has money but pretends to be a broke regular joe generally isn't "sexually successful"

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeh i mean theres already something seriously wrong with him

[–]the-lone-squidSquid 20200 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Unless hes attractive and knows he can get laid anyway

[–]churnthrowaway1234560 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you're attractive and have money, it's impossible to pretend that you're normal.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's why he still has money.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cite your evidence please. I know a few guys that larp as middle class and they aren't struggling with women at all.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

If you're slumming at the trailer park you have to keep some stuff to yourself.

Showed of a new motorcycle once and a neighbor of a woman I was fucking stole it.

[–]SkookumTreeRomantic relationships aren't necessary for happiness!0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, I can see new money, even very Bush League new money, wanting to hide it

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I've never met a woman that felt this way, literally every woman I've met has been more conservative with money than me. I've had women get incensed because I spent so much on dates. This seems like dated thinking. Millennials are very aware of the cost of living.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

none of you know what the word frugality means or implies

frugality is abstemious cheapness. it is not sexually attractive, it is not SMV neutral. maybe it can be an RMV trait. but thats never what were discussing are we?

are frugality and abstemiousness panty-dropping traits?

stop with the generational bullshit, its AWALT or it isnt, you cant have it both ways. women have not become magical new creatures because theres a new generation

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

none of you know what the word frugality means or implies

Frugality is the quality of being frugal, sparing, thrifty, prudent or economical in the consumption of consumable resources such as food, time or money, and avoiding waste, lavishness or extravagance.

So a guy that spends his money on necessities and avoids superfluous purchases. That doesn't mean he has to be king penny pincher.

stop with the generational bullshit, its AWALT or it isnt, you cant have it both ways. women have not become magical new creatures because theres a new generation

I didn't say they did. Are you ok?

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This seems like dated thinking.

[–][deleted]  (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]findingfemininitydo you even love your bf if you don't wear a jar of his cum?5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What gravy train? You think a man like this would stop being super frugal just because he got married?

[–]Wandos7naproxen sodium3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This man is going to have a prenup a mile long and tell her she doesn’t have to work again, and her allowance will be $20 a week.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

He would not. In this case at least.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what gravy train, a dull abstemious frugality miser who wont spend his money? that aint the gravy train

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't have money, but if I did, it would be mine and mine alone. He's right to not trust anyone else with it.

[–]Million-SunsMarriage is obsolete0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's say you're dating a guy and everything is great.

Then she has to ruin everything, isn't it.

I'd do exactly as the hypothetical dude in the OP. Except the "I love you" part. I no longer believe in love and this is too corny for me anyway.

Among the reasons why I think cohabitation and marriages are a bad idea, is that because they lead to money talks, which I don't want at all, and are love killing stuff.

[–]Kos_-_Omak-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Did the guy in the OP earn/save it himself or get it from his family? I have family money but I try to keep it as separate as possible from my everyday walking around money. I don't need it to live comfortably (I have a good job) so I treat it more like a 401k or something.

And there were times in my early 20s when I was either in college or working some lame job where my normal bank account balance might get low and I might occasionally be close to "broke" even though my actual net worth was up there. If for some reason I really needed $100k cash ASAP, I could call up a stockbroker and tell him to sell some shit and it wouldn't be a problem. But I'm not going to use it like an ATM every time I want to go out drinking with my buddies.

No one who knows me in person would ever describe me as 'frugal' but I'm also not blowing money on stupid flashy Lamborghinis and shit like some dumb poorfag who just won the lottery.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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