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Q4W: If you were a man, how would you go about finding a relationship? Do you think you would be successful or would it be too difficult?

November 11, 2019
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Title Q4W: If you were a man, how would you go about finding a relationship? Do you think you would be successful or would it be too difficult?
Author _Neon_Shadow_
Upvotes 11
Comments 195
Date November 11, 2019 6:31 PM UTC (3 years ago)
Subreddit /r/PurplePillDebate
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[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

IMO, This question could have been improved by asking the women to imagine themselves as men with comparable standards and preferences to the ones they currently have as women. Getting into a relationship is easy for most people if they have no standards or preferences.

Edit: where’s the automod?

[–]PlainSlim0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

But if we go by what TRP says, men naturally need to 'spread their seed' so they have lower standards, whereas women need to ensure that they are impregnated by a strong, masculine man, so they naturally have higher standards. Or maybe it's just because men have a higher sex drive, are more likely to enjoy sex with a stranger, so they they lower their standards to get any sex.

So would the woman changing to a man also include more masculine standards? And a higher sex drive? If we say that a woman switches to a man but keeps the same sex drive and innate female mindset - I think most would find that the effort of dating and trying to appeal to high value women is just not worth it.

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

“But if we go by what TRP says, men naturally need to 'spread their seed' so they have lower standards, whereas women need to ensure that they are impregnated by a strong, masculine man, so they naturally have higher standards. Or maybe it's just because men have a higher sex drive, are more likely to enjoy sex with a stranger, so they they lower their standards to get any sex.”

I think it’s a combination of the second one and the lower availability of sex to the average man.

Men who have abundance mentality are pickier, but men’s circumstances are more likely to foster scarcity mentality.

“So would the woman changing to a man also include more masculine standards? And a higher sex drive?”

I think so.

“If we say that a woman switches to a man but keeps the same sex drive and innate female mindset - I think most would find that the effort of dating and trying to appeal to high value women is just not worth it.”

Maybe so. But some would feel a compulsion to get back out there because of loneliness or horniness.

[–]Nevidimka-11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

considering that I am taller than the average woman, make more than the average woman (and more than the average man) , love doing heavy weightlifting at the gym and have a fairly athletic build to begin with, I think the male version of me would have the basics down. My brother who is my male equivalent certainly never had problems getting girls.

I would invest heavily in a large social circle in college, it's easiest to get to know women in your social circle. I would move to a bigger city after that. I would sign up for OLD as well for the heck of it. I would network a lot if I was a little older, but NOT cold approach while there, just to widen my social circle. The guys I know who seem to do well all have a lot of friends, that includes male friends. They know a lot of girls because that's Steven's sister, that's Johns co worker, that's the girl behind the bar at Marc's café etc etc. Cold approach almost never works so I'd rely on contacts, mostly.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think the male version of me would have the basics down.

The basics being: be tall, be wealthy, and be fit? I agree. Sounds very RP though.

I would invest heavily in a large social circle

I agree with everything you've said and it sounds like you have a plan and would be successful. Excellent response. But if things were different, what would you do then? When the deck is stacked against you. You're a man who doesn't have the basics down and has a very small social circle. How would you find a relationship on hard mode?

[–]Nevidimka-4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Lookswise, I might resort to steroids and / or plastic surgery.

Or: work a niche. Ive heard asian types do well if they dive full on into the k-pop world, for instance, it's the only world where youll find (white) girls fetishizing asian guys. Goth, environmentalist, animal activist, vegan, band that is populair with a small-but-significant crowd, 50s style and/or Lindy hop enthusiast are some other options.

[–]dmoneycrowgodRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Gotta lose your nuts and speed up your balding(which will only hurt you in the long run) to stand a chance

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never use steroids to looksmax lol.

[–]PickUpScientistDark Purple Pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

considering that I am taller than the average woman

how much taller? as a man you need to be in the 85th percentile or higher to make the highly sought after 6 foot club (at least in the U.S.). 6'2" (most common preference) is top 4%.

[–]terrapinninja1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So this is over the entire population of adults but the numbers look a lot better if you restrict to say 20-30 year olds, who tend to be much taller than average both because people keep getting bigger and because that's peak height agewise

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Cold approach almost never works so I'd rely on contacts, mostly.

Warm approach works fine.

[–]MC_PurpPurple Pill Man0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perfect. Lol that strategy has worked for me for years.

[–]pngmafia97my type is chadcucks3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If I am taller than 5’7” and face >6 with the same IQ and EQ I have now it would be relatively intuitive. If I were short and ugly, I don’t know, I would have to develop some compensatory strategies I’m not familiar with now. Hone in on a talent/passion so that I have a lot of success and status.

[–]reluctantly_red4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Compensatory strategies? Like a shit load of money.

[–]pngmafia97my type is chadcucks0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’d aim to make a shitload of money AND work out, eat well, dress well, regardless of gender or looks, that’s a given lmao. IMO RP advice on self improvement should be taken by everyone.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps you are one of the lucky few who have a constitution that will allow you to both work the exceedingly long hours success most often requires and maintain a high level of fitness. However, if not, I fear you may fall short of your goals.

[–]D_D_BA412 points13 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If most women woke up one morning as a man, they would jump of the nearest cliff. They wouldn't be able to handle a single day.

[–]Farkasok3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Being a man is not that hard nor is being a woman that easy . Whatever issues you personally have you are using your sex as a male as a cope to explain them

[–]Texastentialism#1 gimpgirl stan4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Would depend on what kind of relationship I was looking for and with what type of woman.

The men in my circle seemed to do it by having active social/party lives and hooking up until they found a girl they wanted to stick around. A lot of these became serious LTRs and marriages.

The men at my Christian college generally did it by meeting girls through their sister social clubs (Christian college version of Greek life), volunteering, or dating girls they met when they were young through church/camp etc. Obviously these were very different men who ended up with very different women than the first group.

Level of difficulty would depend on your personality and attractiveness. This is really too broad a question to answer with much specificity. A man with my exact personality in a man's body would probably be fucked tbh

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just imagine that your personality will be affected by testosterone, AKA you'll be more risky, more bold, more confident, more ambitious.

Do you imagine your male looksmatch would be attractive?

[–]oldhag8881 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tbh I’m not a man and don’t know what it’s like to be one, I think it’s a flawed question bc I can’t insert myself into that perspective

My best answer would be:

1) try not to worry about it too much, these things usually come when you least expect it and are not overly obsessed with it

2) focus on self development and goals- by improving ourselves we become the best version of ourselves and we naturally attract people who are well matched to that superior self.

But this advice isn’t any different from what I told myself when I was single, or what I tell my single friends, male or female.

[–]PlainSlim1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, I would be screwed and I know it. I have trouble dating as a pretty attractive woman. I am terrified of rejection, I am introverted, I don't really like lifting. I prefer when other people take the initiative in social interaction so I never have to feel rejected. I guess the male version of me would be above average height, above average looks, decent career? I'd make a tinder and see what stuck. I think most women would think I was too reserved/boring though. It's also weird to think about because I like men, I like assertive/masculine men. I don't think I could be attracted to women or ever want to take the more assertive role in a relationship. I guess unless I also inherited more masculine desires, I'd probably just end up gay lol.

[–]Niki_Biryani2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most women would be recked and depressed if they were a man. Not to mention, most of them would be extremely unattractive.

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[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is a Q4W, which means all top level answers have to come from women, so this comment has been removed.

You're welcome to post this under automod.

[–]angels-fanCrooning over hellscapes0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There isn't one

[–]-TheGreasyPole-Pissed Off that Reddit Admins killed my old account[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well thats annoying. Automod is cocking up again. Thanks for letting us know.

Anyway, I've added an ersatz automod message... so if you're a guy, and you don't feel like replying to a gal, please comment there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

My famous wit, of course. Also if I were a guy I would look like Edward Norton.

[–]DontTouchTheCancer5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who, without all that money and fame, would be SINGLE AS FUCK

[–]PickUpScientistDark Purple Pill2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

edward norton was sexy as fuck in fight club. remember? when he was brad pitt?

[–]nevomintoarcePurple Pill Woman2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

nikki inherited her face from her dad's dick

[–]PickUpScientistDark Purple Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

nikki inherited her face from her dad's dick

hahaha

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Would be easy. I have a masculine face, I know I'd be attractive as a guy. Always been told I have masculine energy/people assume I'm a lesbian, I love the chase and going after what I want. Guys close up if you chase them, so I don't chase men lol. But girls are so simple. Don't be ugly, don't be boring, be confident, do nice things for them, flirt with them, you're in control. Once she likes you, boom, that's it. She'll do whatever mental gymnastics it takes to convince herself you're the love of her life.

[–]Sad_Oil12 points13 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Don't be ugly

easy-peasy

[–]AlexanderTheGreat089 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Just change your genetics bro

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Major difference between being ugly and being average. There's no shortage of female 6s and 7s that want to be wifed up by a male 5 or 6.

[–]SMVConversionBot4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

A male 5 or 6 in girl ratings converts to a 8 or 9 in regular ratings. Beep boop.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

terrible bot

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't get it

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nice name

[–]ChadThundagaCockBorderline Personality Wrangler1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Finaly Fantasy IX is one of the best games of all time imo. And theres my geeky side coming out through the Chadly exterior

[–]SMVConversionBot1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Vivi is my brother. Boop beep.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're imagining that your masculine body would be masculine because you're a masculine woman. But maybe it's going to the strict reverse: feminine looking man. D:

I went through your history and I saw your pic, I don't see how you're supposed to be particularly masculine.

[–]Red__Blue1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Pop quiz: “I have a boyfriend”

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

She can cheat lmao it's not a problem.

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69 and 420 respectively

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[–]PickUpScientistDark Purple Pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

every day leg day. she be too thicc.

[–]Texastentialism#1 gimpgirl stan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lolol

[–][deleted]Black Pill Feminism1 point2 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Finding a relationship as a man should be the easiest thing in the world as long as you're not hideous and poor. Most women over 26 want nothing more than a relationship with a man who is not completely ugly and unemployed. There are many women desperate for a relationship. (despite all evidence showing that relationships and marriage are actually better deals for men than for women)

[–]reluctantly_red13 points14 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

If only it was that easy. Women have far more demands than you'll ever admit.

[–][deleted]Black Pill Feminism-1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Well, considering that marriage is an awful deal for women, while it literally saves men's lives if we go by the statistics, I say it's reasonable that women have some demands.

[–]reluctantly_red2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The causality isn't marriage its socioeconomic standing. Well off men are more likely to be married. Well off people are healthier and live longer. Married men live longer not because they are married but because they tend to be richer.

[–][deleted]Black Pill Feminism0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope. Working-class men who are married are better off too.

Look, it's not my fault if men are big babies and don't even go to the doctor if left on their own.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only reason why I don't go much to the doctor is because I'm ultra busy earning a wage for my family and then getting back home to do parenting and chores. I don't work out and I don't diet. Pretty sure I would be a lot healthier if I was single.

But as /u/reluctantly_red suggested, only good valuable men can get a relationship with a woman who cooks and does the chores and parenting. I'm only a bellow average man and I can only afford a woman who thinks I'm not a deal good enough to justify her making efforts.

[–]Thorgrammor1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

How is marriage a terrible deal for women and can it save male lives? I want to understand but I can't wrap my head around this. Please explain :D

[–][deleted]Black Pill Feminism-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Single men are more likely to end up becoming alcoholic, homeless, mentally ill etc. The same is not true for single women.

Also, statistics show that men don't go to the doctor for their medical issues unless they're pressured by a woman to do it. I'm not kidding, that's how it is.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Single men are more likely to end up becoming alcoholic, homeless, mentally ill etc. The same is not true for single women.

Alcoholic, homeless and mentally ill men are less likely to get women around them at all. It's not loneliness that makes men unfit, it's unfitness that makes men lonely, it starts extremely early. Mentally ill women don't have as much issue with finding relationships. Autistic women go through their life without anybody noticing something it. While sightly autistic men get rejected early on.

[–]Thorgrammor0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting. I don't know which statistics you use for this but it sounds logical. Thank you for providing an answer :)

[–]bonusfruit0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Never married men are never included in those statistics. Only divorced men. So yeah a married man is in better shape then a divorced man stripped of his wealth and children. Imagine my shock

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

"It would be so easy women are so desperate" lol not even a strategy, just exist and want it

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, this is such a woman thing to say, and it makes it plainly obvious she has no clue all the work men go through. Just existing is fine if you're a woman but it's not that easy as a man, we actually have to work for things.

[–]welcometothejlRed Pill Man2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is. Finding a relationship with a quality woman is almost impossible.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

And all those women who are "desperate" are most likely obese, and half have trash babies from some other dude.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, once I reached a certain age it was very easy. When I was in high school and early into college it was pretty difficult, though, as I don't think every woman in that age group wants a relationship, and many that do seem to prefer guys who are slightly older.

[–]Sad_Oil0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Trying to get a girl into a relationship in high school is nigh impossible. They understand their SMV well and don't have any interest in being tied down.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think you're wrong but you also didn't answer the question.

[–]AidsVictim0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Far too many women still have fantasies about the quality of the man they can find for a LTR at 26 for that to be true. This is strongly reinforced by OLD which gives women access to so many average men that they no longer seem like an attractive choice.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Most women over 26 want nothing more than a relationship with a man who is not completely ugly and unemployed.

Because most women over 26 either see The Wall coming or already hit it.

[–][deleted]Black Pill Feminism3 points4 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Why would a hot, 18 years old woman want to have a relationship with you? What would you offer her exactly?

[–]NockerJoeKing Hater-3 points-2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What does the 26 year old offer me?

[–][deleted]Black Pill Feminism5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What would you offer her? Please, make a list.

[–][deleted] 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

*

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, if she's desperate for a relationship with a gainfully employed guy who has his shit together, then that's what I offer. But, the real question is, why would I want a woman over 26 years old?

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

She was 19. She was raised in a conservative cult. She used me to enter the mainstream. She got rock like emotional support during a family tragedy. She got to be poor with her family 5 miles away with fuck you money in her purse and a welcoming family back home. It's good to spend some time poor (I've gotten past it since). We both got a lot of good sex. We remain good friends.

That was the past, and I'm unlikely to tap another teenager because the general rule with younger women is don't be older than her father.

As to the future....I'm a good looking loser who knows how to dance. I have a favorite recipe called chicken take her panties off and I am no longer territorial about women in my life.

Life is good.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You are 47?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You are 47?

Yeah, I'm a boomer. LOL.

[–]DubsPackage0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

47 isn't boomer, that's Gen X

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

47 isn't boomer, that's Gen X

The cool kids think anyone over 30 is a Boomer LOL

[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxI'm not the only one-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

X men?

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You are 47?

Ladies here may need to consider, I might actually be a great guy.

I see your posts about harassment and stalking. I don't do that shit. I piss more women off by not hitting on them, than by hitting on them.

My much younger girlfriend, we met in college. She came to the math lab where I tutored and just visited. People were asking me, why don't you ask her out? At the end of the semester, I told her I'd email her something, and she said, you know, I'm horrible about email, you should text me instead, here's my number.

She knew exactly what she was doing.

[–]dmoneycrowgodRed Pill Man-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

  1. We want hot girls. How would u do it

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[–]webernicke7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women ITT: "Easy I would just get a relationship"

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles4 points5 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

ITT: women who fail to understand the most basics of a man's life, acting as if they'd be someone famous with a 7inch dick who women are falling over for

[–]PickUpScientistDark Purple Pill2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

its almost as if women lack the ability to empathize with men. nah, never mind that's crazy talk.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

The other thread about "attitudes and getting laid" was a real eye opener.

The number of women admitting to gaslighting mentally ill incels and enjoying & being proud of what they're doing was sickening.

I don't know too many guys vicious enough to do that to someone already down

[–]ZodiacBrave98Open Hypergamy Triggers Me0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Got a link to that thread? I missed it.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/dugm7d/that_whole_well_maybe_if_you_didnt_have_such_a/

I don't know how to post links. Look for the key words (press Ctrl F) "gaslight" or "ugly" or "of course". You'll find the kinds of stuff I mean

[–]ZodiacBrave98Open Hypergamy Triggers Me0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Thanks!

There's two ways to direct link a comment. You click the 'Share' button under the post, and you get the option to copy a link. The 'Time posted' number (like 9 hours ago) is also a direct link to the comment. If you Right click-> Copy... you get a direct link.

[–]Dash_of_islamBidet 4 Life>Toilet paper unwashed proles1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm always on mobile.

I'll stick to the Boomer way of just copying the whole url lol. I feel like an old man trapped in a young man's body sometimes

[–]bonerdude4202 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If anything this thread shows women don't understand active and passive dating strategies. They make the assumption they can continue their passive strategy if they have the right qualities

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

[–]jax006Wants to bang ~20% of PPD chicks1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Obviously just practice basic hygiene and go outside is all you need to do

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This shit is hilarious. These women have no fucking clue. If you needed further evidence that men are the true romantics, look no further.

[–]jax006Wants to bang ~20% of PPD chicks3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yea I mean if we go by the top comment I should be drowning in dates 🤔 cant say this isnt what you'd expect from many women though, since it is basically their experience

That being said there are a few decent answers. Nevidimka and Texas are both right IMO.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Best comments here by far.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

A relationship or sex?

This seems like the wrong q

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Porque no los dos

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology1 point2 points  (47 children) | Copy Link

You mean get to eat carbs, pay half as much for nice clothes, not have to shave my legs, skip half my daily grooming, get twice the results at the gym for the same time and still be putting in twice the effort most men do while only doing about 2/3rds of what I did as a woman?

I'd be giggling to myself about how lucky the low standards for well groomed men are.

[–]DontTouchTheCancer5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Have you seen what nice men's clothes cost?

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology-2 points-1 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Yes, and they are still cheaper then woman's lmao.

[–]DontTouchTheCancer2 points3 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Fuck me, you're right.

Men's pants at Brooks Brothers: $198

Women's equivalent: $298

God damn it.

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Then add on the extra cost of a decent bra 30-100, and handbag 150-2000 and you've doubling or tripping the cost of an outfit.

[–]DontTouchTheCancer0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

All this flips when it comes to finding thrift/vintage however. You have near-infinite choice, whereas men have a very very small selection of clothing.

Well, they have a small clothing selection to begin with.

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men do indeed have less choice I'll give you that. But to be fair men's fashion doesn't really deviate as often as woman's

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

All a guy needs is a cotton t-shirt and jeans. You can get those at Walmart.

If a guy doesn't look good in very basic clothing the clothes aren't the problem.

[–]DontTouchTheCancer1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Depends on where you work.

And of course, showing up to a wedding or funeral in that, or going to the theater in that.... ugh.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Every situation has its basic outfit. I just put on a pair of khakis and single color cotton button-down shirt ($5 each from a local thrift store). When I get to my office I'll add a $1 tie and a $10 sport coat. I'll then proceed to spend the rest of my day in court.

I have much better things to spend my money on.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Who the hell pays that much for clothes?

[–]DontTouchTheCancer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You think clothes at brooks brothers are nice? I don't consider pants under $600 "nice". They're just average. My last "cheap suit" cost $1500.

[–]DontTouchTheCancer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't find a ready website reference for hand-tailored clothing or really high end stuff. Went with BB.

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[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

What else is there?

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[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

20% genetics is the incel version of much cundishuns for fat women who don't want to diet.

It's maybe? Easier for someone else so why bother? If your that week then ofc nobody wants you.

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[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Get a nice beard and work out and all of a sudden frame and face are taken care of. It's not that hard, men are just lazy.

[–]YungBoi12Complete Clownery0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Get a nice beard

r/thanksimcured

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[–]YungBoi12Complete Clownery0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Maybe you forgot, but beards are also genetics.

[–]Faeglantina0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s ridiculous. You think 20% maximum men are having normal relationships and sex? Because even if someone’s born with top 20% genetics (assuming such a thing could even be quantified), that’s not to say that they’ll maximize their potential. More than 20% of men have partners/sex/romance.

[–]Sad_Oil1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Gymmaxing, fashionmaxing, etc. aren't as effective as you think unless you have height and good bone structure.

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You want to fashionmax? See, you come from a place where in a 5 story department store, 4 out are dedicated to women's clothing. Imagine going to a store to buy a dress shirt, and finding either a 14" collar with a 24" waist and long sleeves, or a 18" collar with a 38" waist and short sleeves. And that's it. No other choices, no other sizes. You want a red shirt? well, I guess you gotta settle for your size but with short sleeves, cause there's only 1 red shirt in the entire corner of the department store that's dedicated to men's clothing, and thats the closest to your size they have.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The gym results are very misleading. Sure it doesn't take much for a guy to up his bench press ten pounds. However, the lean muscular body women list after takes a level of dedication and intensity most women can't even comprehend.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

and still being rejected most of the times.

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who the fuck cares? CARBS.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Bar isnt that low but nice try.

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

You do all that already?

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Who doesn't?

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Most men. Do you have trouble getting a girlfriend?

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I have one now but it's not exactly a walk in the park to find one. Most men I see are groomed pretty well.

[–]CatchPhrazeMaster Of Memeology2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nobody said it was. My ass gains a pound if I look at bread. But I want to be cute so I eat garlic bread in my dreams only. I love sleep but having my co-workers complement me instead of telling me I look tired is nice so I wake up early to do my makeup and hide the fact fuck yeah I want another five hours of sleep.

It's called a daily grind because its work and most of us get that. welcome to reality cupcake.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lots of guys like women with big butts. Not to many women like fat ass guys.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not a grind for Chad tho 😂 I realize all of this. My intent was to see if the women here understand the grind for the avg guy, but from the responses so far ... not really.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are we talking a LTR?

Make myself a few dating apps, and go to plenty of happy hours and meetups. If I get to chatting with a girl I like, ask her on a date. Keep taking her on dates (for various values of "her"), until I decide if I want to be in a LTR with her. If no, So Long and Thanks For All The Fish. If yes, ask her to be my girlfriend.

[–]ifelsedowhilelocal cop - cherry top2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

women swipe left for 95% of the profiles on Tinder. good luck with that.

[–]flamingoinghomeIs three lizards in trench coat-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who said "Tinder"?

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Are we talking a LTR?

Sure, if that's what you want.

Make myself a few dating apps

Most guys dont do too well on OLD. So this may not be very beneficial.

go to plenty of happy hours and meetups.

These things cost time and money. Maybe once or twice a week, if you can afford it.

If I get to chatting with a girl I like, ask her on a date.

What if she flakes? You have a good plan but it assumes everything goes right.

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[–]Sad_Oil8 points9 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Steps 1-3: Be Handsome, Be Attractive, Don't Be Unattractive

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[–]NockerJoeKing Hater11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

My handsome friends do way better than my charismatic one. Women project charisma onto looks.

[–]xXxINCELFAGGOTxXxI'm not the only one8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're unattractive and quiet? Fucking creep waiting to go berserk and shoot everyone.

You're attractive and quiet? Super intelligent, mysterious chad, every sloot wants him to open up to her.

[–]finch22006 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Believe me, it’s a lot less fun in practice.

[–]HarassMyAnger5 points6 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

I have about a million things to say to this, and none of them are good. I'll just leave it at that.

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[–]HarassMyAnger5 points6 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

All I have to say is that you women are fucking unbearable when it comes to dating.

There, Im done.

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[–]HarassMyAnger1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

You have no idea. Not even a speck of a clue.

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[–]HarassMyAnger2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Your original post. It speaks volumes.

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[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

He's right you know.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Assuming you're Chad. If you aren't, things would go very very different.

Tell girls they're pretty: Depending where you are, you'll get angry glares all the way up to being called into HRs office.

Dating apps: might as well just send those pickup lines into the void, since you aren't getting a response back unless she's a landwhale.

Finding one girl: unless you're into obesity, get in line and hope you got more than just a dinner date, because she'll ghost after.

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[–][deleted] 4 points5 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

No you don't have to be an underwear model to get a date, very true. You do need to be top 20% in looks to get a date with anyone thin though.

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Its the parento principle

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareto_principle

Basically means women only find a small percentage of men physically attractive enough. It's used in online dating alot, where roughly 20% of men got alot of attention, while the remaining 80% got little to no responses.

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[–]dmoneycrowgodRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Every girl under 30 has an insanely inflated ego due to Instagram and horny guys I know this is anecdotal and not worth shit but it’s true as fuck. So if you try to get these girls in real life interactions they often don’t think you’re attractive enough

[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It happens but the amount of time, effort, money, and everything else that goes into it is a monumental task. None of you seem to understand that. If you are an attractive guy, sex and relationships fall onto your lap easily. If you're a 5/10 guy whose ok. You're going to be put through the fucking wringer. It could take months to years to find a relationship

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[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Who cares how long it takes?

Everyone. Tell that to the guys on askmen who are approaching 30 and never had a relationship.

If you do it correctly you only need to find one girl.

Unlikely. An inexperienced person isnt likely to nail it on their first relationship.

If your goal is to just fuck and chuck girls... Then you must often resort to coercion and trickery. Those girls categorically regret their naivety when they realize the game.

Yeah, true.

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[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Someone who's never had a relationship by age 30? I'm willing to bet there's more to the story

It's very difficult. The end.

This is a fair point in this day and age. There are plenty of examples historically and internationally of relashionship working on the first try however because you had no other choice. Were they always great? No. Did a larger portion work out because the alternative was being single the rest of your life or ostrasized by your community? Most likely.

Yes, good point. That shit flied in the past, but not any longer. Women are liberated and free to chase Chad. So the guys that would have benefited from that are single and struggling in today's world.

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[–]_Neon_Shadow_[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why not both? They can chase Chad AND not settle for less.

[–]ohheyhi99Conflicted Feminist Man, No Pill-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“Go out and tell girls they are pretty? Easy and fun”

Most OK-looking women wouldn’t care much if you called them pretty unless they found you attractive, so you’d better hope that you’d be an attractive man. You’d probably come off as a creep.

“Log into dating apps and use cheesy pick up lines? Awesome”

It’d work sometimes, but you’d get ghosted a lot. Why can’t you do this as a woman?

“Find just one girl that you are in love with? Take her out to dinner and win her heart? Fucking yes”

Taking women to dinner has little to no effect on their raw attraction to you, which will often determine whether or not they keep dating you.

[–]littlecow888-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t get beaten for liking girls, that’s a great beginning.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

i know how to game girls lol. if you can't get a fucking girlfriend you're an ineffectual dope. im a straight girl and have basically had a girlfriend by accident before because girls are so desperate for the validation of being chosen

[–]CanadianTurt1e1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

"girlfriend by accident."

You can't say that unless the other girl reciprocated the same feelings. Did you even have a sexual relationship with this woman? Also, there's a difference between "OMG, hey gurlfriend!" and actual "girlfriend."

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Lol

she was infatuated with me, not the other way around

[–]CanadianTurt1e0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So she technically viewed you as a "best friend," not a "girlfriend," then.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

please go be a boring sperg somewhere else omg

[–]CanadianTurt1e0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You posted on a topic claiming how "easy" it is to game girls, yet the example you gave is about a girl who only considered you as a "best friend" and not an actual "girlfriend." You can't seriously tell me what you said wasn't ridiculous.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

my posts are for neurotypical ppl only

[–]Physiologist21Cynic0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

I couldn't imagine for the life of me why anyone wouldn't be infatuated with you, so charming and full of desirable qualities. laugh out loud

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

idk let me ask my boyfriend who is asleep beside me after giving me the key to his place within a month

[–]Physiologist21Cynic-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

This may be hard for you to believe but, making fun of you does not actually mean I care.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

yeah dude you totally snarked at me not expecting a reply, good shit man

[–]Physiologist21Cynic-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks m8.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

yw, and now i will never reply to you again lol

[–]Physiologist21Cynic-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

oh noes! what the fuck am i gonna do!?

[–]Sophiatab-2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Make an appointment with a matchmaker, answer some questions, read some files, be introduced, go on a few dates, and then pick a partner. When men complain about not being able to find someone most often they're complaining about not being able to find someone to just use for sex. It's easy for a man to find a relationship if he wants one.

[–]Thechainsmokers990 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Are you trolling?

[–]Sophiatab-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope, this is an honest reply based on many years of observation of the mating habits of my community.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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