Red or reddish pillers, in what way do you dislike r/theredpill? Blue or blueish pillers, in what ways do you like it?

[deleted] · 2014-10-13T15:02:46+00:00

Sort of purple/reddish although my flair is ambiguous.

I dislike PUAs. They're even more focused on women. PUA are the like the people who aspire to be pro athletes but only because of the pussy they get. They've figured out how to get the pussy and they've become obsessed at getting it. At the end of the day they aren't any better for it. It's like a druggie getting his fix.
Spinning plates. I did this in my pre-rp days. Wasn't for me. Too much trouble, too much jealousy, too much lying, TOO MUCH DRAMA. I found it impossible to hook up with women and them not developing feelings. I had a plate that withdrew from school when she saw me hook up with another woman. I think she had a nervous breakdown. I went along with my friends' jokes about how crazy she was but I get this sick feeling in my stomach every time I reflect on the situation. Now that I'm older I see spinning plates as the male version of friendzoning. Relationships are better IMO because you can better achieve true self improvement. For example, since I've graduated school last December I've already payed down nearly $40,000 in student loans. I have no debt. Being in a relationship means I don't spend all this time chasing/hooking up with women and spending money trying to look cool.
Manipulative/abusive behavior. There is dread game and then there is convincing your wife that you're having an affair.
The obsession with lifting. There are other ways to get fit. Some of these guys are channeling the body-builder look. Go to my old university's MMA club (all of us were former Division 1 wrestlers) and let's find out how well those big muscles would do for you. I was/still am very ripped but I shoot ball with some guys that couldn't bench much more than 150 lbs and they don't have any trouble with women.
There is a habit of blowing smoke up their own asses which I liken very much to feminism. It's an empowerment tool but some things tend to get heavily exaggerated.
The only time some RPers approve of relationships is when it has traditional roles. But at the same time they complain about divorcerape. It's irresponsibly pro-male. I like it better that my gf is working. She can't even cook eggs let alone a decent dinner. I cook every night we're at her's or my place and she cleans. There's nothing beta about that.

I guess that's enough for now.

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7. It's ok to do nice things for your woman. The Key is not to expect something in return even if it's validation. That's where a lot of Redpillers and newbs fail. I was going to make a post on this one day but I'm too lazy and I'm sure it wouldn't make much of an impact on that sub to begin with.

8. Provider does not mean beta. It's merely the traditional male role in a monogamous society. That being said being a provider is not what you want to be unless you have almost all of the power in the relationship (meaning that if they walk out they get nothing). Why? Because that means it's not you that they're into but what you can do for them. This brings about the least amount of loyalty.

Bonkzzilla · 2014-10-13T16:13:34+00:00

I'm fairly red pill in a moderate sense..

I dislike the red pill because they talk about women as if they're not even human sometimes.. Like they're a different species or something. One poster said I sound "weak" because I'm friends with women.. Maybe he couldn't sense that I hit the gym 3 days a week through my keyboard strokes?

Anyway, with the way they talk about women they're really not helping their situation at all.. Just digging a deeper hole; just like attending a KKK rally would not help you with overcoming personal issues with racism or something. Plus you're eventually going to say something that's going to drive them away if you really hold true to those beliefs. Gender/Sex does not determine whether you can or can't be a shitty person.

MagicGainbow · 2014-10-13T12:08:00+00:00

The reliance on shock articles/titles(more so in the wider manosphere).

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fiat_lux_ · 2014-10-13T12:04:49+00:00

Most men on TRP are naive, frustrated, and cling furiously to ego-protecting beliefs. Many worship money, probably in conjunction with the ego-protecting thing. Many don't realize the implications of their beliefs; again, likely to protect their egos.

So guys who realize they're not just not good looking but actually ugly think that money can save them and make them sexually attractive to women. The fact that worshiping money seems to contradict all the other self-improvement advice (that is, it makes you dependent on external and often capricious events for self-value) or that relying on money for sex is just about the definition of beta bux, doesn't seem to occur to a lot of guys.

If 80/20 is true (and it mostly is) most guys aren't and won't be sexually attractive. That includes most guys on TRP.

So, I suppose I subscribe to many RP beliefs but have a hard time turning a blind eye to all the male hamstering in TRP sub.

cxj · 2014-10-13T14:19:38+00:00

Tbh i just dislike the extreme, absolute nature of both. Both subs criticism of each other (as a sub, not necessarily as a core of ideas) are p accurate imo.

That's why i come here, both sides can behave themselves and make coherent points. I'm more red than blue, but really am interested in reading criticisms of trp, not just pure snark lol.

roe_ · 2014-10-13T17:38:56+00:00

I don't like how TRP is trying to recentre the category of "women" on "the worst examples of women"

cxj · 2014-10-13T13:01:10+00:00

Blue here - I do admit that there is a certain bump on the centuries old road of progress towards equality and personal autonomy, that the new situation makes some men behave in an unconfident, awkward, beshamed way that makes some women become un-aroused and sexually bored. It also gets to the extremes of masculinity getting shamed or hypogonadic behaviors praised.

I am confident we are going to iron it out. Sometimes there are road bump, sometimes you go from one extreme to another then back. I think sooner or later we will find a way how to raise men so that they just about as hairy-chested - metaphorically speaking - as any MMA fighter, yet they can respect women as fully autonomous human beings and not see them as that annoying thing around the vagina.

We live in an age of science and it is very well researched that testosterone is central to male health, scientists are looking into treating depression with it etc. so I don't a hypogonadic, emasculated age is coming. If anything, jaws are going to turn more square, not less. We just need to renconcile all that with basic human respect for women, that is all.

OTOH don't expect women to stay feminine, that is IMHO not happening, I think women are also getting a T boost in this culture and you just have to put up with manjaws and confident behavior, that girls are not going to be girly anymore, they too are getting manlier. This is not necessarily horrible in my mind, I find it good - my wife is a more reliable ally, I can count on her much more similar ways as on a male ally, than my dad could on my mother.

through_a_ways · 2014-10-13T16:29:19+00:00

About RP I dislike the anger that is not allowed to subside or worked through. RP nurtures constant stress and anger. I'm on mobile, tipsy and thus I typo. About BP.... well. Some people just do need to go through RP phase before they come out of it as a more confident and compassionate person. I used to ne a woman-hating tomboy in my teens, terribly RP. I've decided that it was a learnimg experience. BP can sometimes be a bit too harsh at people who are still amgry and hurting.

Aerobus · 2014-10-13T17:42:09+00:00

A lot of people on TRP lack reading comprehension skills, deny things that TRP says based off some anecdotal experience, and are unable to understand the bigger picture.

[deleted] · 2014-10-14T03:15:51+00:00

It's an internet forum. It's full of idiots. All internet forums are.

I consider myself "red pill" because I accept the red pill theory, not because I go to TRP subreddit or care/agree with everything they say. I wish more people realized this distinction.

soylentblueissmurfs · 2014-10-13T14:50:13+00:00

I think the sub is shit, it's full of circle jerking losers who think they've swallowed the red pill but are stuck even firmer in the blue mentality as it doesn't occur to them they haven't actually changed their thinking, just their wording. The manosphere will always be full of bloggers who sell half truths or lies because those generate more readers.

inkedpink · 2014-10-13T16:25:00+00:00

My problem with TRP is the idea that women are incapable of love. Oh, and the oldest teenager in the house, irks the hell out of me. The women over at RPW are grown ass women who are capable of knowing if they did something wrong on their own and can own up to it as well. I know none of those women need to be babied and they have metaphorical balls of steel.

I think it mostly stems from some feminists wanting all the equality but less consequence, resulting in a very immature image. Therefor, oldest teenager idea.

DeseretRain · 2014-10-13T20:05:55+00:00

I disagree with like 99% of what TRP says- I'm a feminist, and I actually have a social justice blog on Tumblr. The one thing I agree with about RedPill is that I do believe people are attracted to jerks. I do believe that if you're nice, no one will be attracted to you. I just think TRP misses the fact that this is true for everyone, not just one specific gender. Studies have been done showing that disagreeableness positively correlates with sexual success, and that's true across genders.

I could go into some personal stories, about how I used to be really nice to male friends that I liked, how I'd spend hours listening to their problems and drive them around to errands since they didn't have a car and go over and help them move or clean their places or lend them money when they needed it. And all I got during that time was constant rejection. I had one guy literally say he was rejecting me because I was too loyal and he preferred to date a girl with a history of cheating because he said that was "more exciting."

Eventually I just quit ever doing anything nice for guys and ignored them most of the time, and that had an absolutely huge impact on my success in dating.

So I mean, in one way, I can understand how guys get drawn into TRP. If you're nice to people and do nice things for them and show loyalty, nobody is going to be attracted to that. So they find TRP and learn how to act like a jerk to women and they see that it does work, that women will start liking them when they're mean to them and ignore them. And then they just buy into all the rest of it, too. They just miss the fact that this is true for everybody- nobody wants someone who is nice to them, everyone is sexually attracted to jerks.

[deleted] · 2014-10-13T18:26:55+00:00

I found a sub called /r/RedPillScience. If it had more neutral titles like PPD, that'd be all I need for my red pill experience.

r/TheRedPill is angry, circlejerky, and not science based. Wow, just like feminism, who'da thunkit?

Being science based is really really important to me. More science reports, more interest in whether the reports actually credible and peer reviewed and everything we've come to like about science and the scientific method.

As far as helping me out for real, PUA advice helps me out for real. Also, the Playboy Advisor - Playboy still keeps it real after all these years would you believe? Red pill advice might help other men, but it sure doesn't help me.

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Also, the one-trick-fits-all attitude in red pill leaning PUA is wrong.

[deleted] · 2014-10-13T16:44:18+00:00

I am a Blue Piller. Anyway, things I don't mind about TRP are that in an ideal world, it would be about self-improvement, and that it would be about questioning the status quo as well as just learning to become your own person. That being said, I do the execution is absolutely terrible and it could use and overhaul if more people want to take it seriously. If we are being honest here, I have way more of a reason than most people to be bitter about how women have treated me and yet, I am fine now, and happier than ever. I never had an anger stage because I found it unnecessary. So while I think TRP could be at least passable if executed properly, I can't take it seriously as long as it attracts individuals that are beyond angry, especially since it shows signs of emotional immaturity.

through_a_ways · 2014-10-13T18:47:54+00:00

a) Same with plenty of other subs, probably worse on many.

b) I think that's a dumb calling as well, but at the same time I think there are equally dumb "goals" peddled about on other subs.

c) That's how the world is IRL. Also the very fact that TRP exists is somewhat counter to that.

d) For the purposes of sex/dating/gender issues that's basically a pretty good shorthand.

e) I think this is dumb as well.

My problems with the redpill:

It's solely about sexual strategy, and heavily slanted toward practical application. There's a whole world of redpill out there (redpill health, redpill sociology, redpill politics, redpill media, redpill race, etc.)

I don't believe the moniker of "red pill" deserves to be confined to sex and gender.

crankypants15 · 2014-10-14T17:54:00+00:00

It's the internet. Which means: they don't matter.

duckducklandwhale · 2014-10-15T04:57:01+00:00

Actually will admit there is too much

1) TRP male chestpuffing against other males. More than anything I think 95% of TRP change is in mental attitude. Though, there are too many bros that remind me of bodybuilding forums just trying to out-alpha the other male dude

2) Some people are a little in too deep. I mean like I said above 95% of it is just a mental change. Though, some people want to apply TRP to everything. I mean it's fine for careers, haggling, dominating a conversation, etc. Though, you have idiots over-debating about simple shit like "holding a door open" or some people claiming this guy "didnt handle" this situation well enough. (AKA throw more alpha into it). While I think again he handle it just perfectly

RedRisingHood · 2014-10-19T10:52:46+00:00

The worst is the "EDUCASHUN IS A LIBRUL CONSPIRACY" idiocy I sometimes see. I always assume the guys who say that are rednecks who think that the what we should aspire to be is some kind of Ron Swanson with that kind of ignorant pride

awesomesalsa · 2014-10-13T11:48:27+00:00

I was going to ask a question about lifting.

I do body weight training so I can do things that most lifters cannot do. Pistol squats and one arm push up for examples. Relative to my weight I'm strong and I'm lean and toned, but I don't get big and puffy looking.

This is a much more useful and functional sort of fitness than just growing bigger, which is basically vanity fitness that actually can impede functionality.

IDK, they must find women do respond to big guys, I wouldn't know because I've never gotten big in that way,

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I don't believe that sacrificing functionality for female attention would be a good trade off anyhow.

adrixshadow · 2014-10-13T12:09:53+00:00

The only point I have issue is that woman cannot love a man completely.

I do not necessarily disagree as women do have difficulty with it.

However love transcends animalistic nature so the deep connection should be possible.

Title	Red or reddish pillers, in what way do you dislike r/theredpill? Blue or blueish pillers, in what ways do you like it?
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Date	October 13, 2014 11:38 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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