Short guys and fat girls have an entitlement problem, not a dating problem.

JaJammerJan · 2019-06-13T11:13:44+00:00

Why is it an entitlement problem when the short guy isn't any less entitled than the tall guy? They both want the same: a girl they are attracted too. Unfortunately for the short guy he got genetically fucked out of that.

For fat girls it's different since being fat is a consequence of lifestyle, not genes. But the same argument applies for genetically ugly women I suppose.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-06-13T11:20:56+00:00

Humans ARE shallow.

There isn't any problem except when you force-feed people (mostly men) moralizing nonsense about how the key to getting what you want is to be a nicer, harder working person instead of getting real about attraction!

If we know in advance we're going to be judged on external factors that have nothing to do with our inner value as people, aren't we a lot less likely to have emotional reactions to such?

Actuallyconsistent · 2019-06-13T19:28:29+00:00

This poster is literally one of the dumbest people here. Nothing she says makes any logical sense from outside her weird feminist world view

rogellparadox · 2019-06-13T11:49:58+00:00

One thing, tho.
One is a genetic feature, the other, no.

Massgumption · 2019-06-13T14:06:32+00:00

You're wrong, a short guy just wants a short girl, heck as far as I can tell most guys just wants an average girl. A fat chick will not tend to want a fat guy, she's entitled cause she wants far above her grade.

Men will be happy with most girls, girls only want to fuck the winners. From an evolutionary perspective it makes sense, better for stronger men to seed multiple women.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-06-13T12:30:07+00:00

I think your entire post kinda wraps around a strawman. Its difficult to argue when there's nothing but metaphorical people to argue with.

That aside, how much are you dropping your standards?

Moolg86 · 2019-06-13T12:39:10+00:00

The whole short guy thing is overblown kinda. I only really took significant notice of it after starting OLD. In my personal life I’ve slain a few giantesses. Something about those long legs and the weight that accompanies heavier bones. IME the only girls beating the “ you must be this tall to ride” drum are women who are quite tall them selves (5’10 and up) or starry eyed naive sub 25yo girls looking to media and group think to form their tastes and preferences.

I’d even go so far as to say eventually the taller women start to understand how shallow their dating pool gets when they put height requirements at the top of their totem pole. Couple that with how many guys are kinda terrible around the early to mid twenties and that kiddie pool just turned into a puddle.

I think sometimes the taller ones are a little self conscious about their height and how they might be perceived being seen with someone shorter than them too. The last giantess I hung out with always got really weird about her height because she looked taller than my roommate who’s a solid 6 foot

wotsittoyou · 2019-06-13T12:04:15+00:00

Given how much complaint there is from men about the lack of availability of women, I would prefer that low value women who hold high standards they find themselves unwilling to drop stay in the market rather than remove themselves from the market. The bottom end of the market is a sad sad place, but the situation is not going to be improved even a little bit if a fat single mother with a part time job in aged care and two kids decides not to have a dating profile because some guy with a bug up his arse about choosy beggars went off on her over how dare she ask that only men who are gainfully employed and have a driver's license contact her.

Bntt89 · 2019-06-13T17:47:59+00:00

Can we not compare the two like? Their is literally nothing short people can do to get taller then wearing taller shoes.

garlicextract · 2019-06-13T18:57:34+00:00

OP is just one step short of saying "non-whites are entitled because they want white men/women" "non-whiteness is low SMV, you shouldn't demand a high value lover if you're not high value yourself" lmao

Eastuss · 2019-06-13T11:57:54+00:00

Even when you have proof that's not the case, showing them pictures and surveys that prove otherwise.

In most surveys I've seen, they proved that being fat or short was a huge handicap for respectively women and men.

I've come to the theory that perhaps the issue is entitlement. The fat girl CAN get a boyfriend, but she wants the guys the supermodel is getting. The short guy CAN get laid, but he wants the girls that the tall guy gets. The issue isn't the shallowness of society, it's the shallowness of the individual fat girl or short guy.

Well the big difference is the fat girl wants a supermodel man while the short man wants an average girl. Tall guys aren't getting supermodel girls, they're getting average girls.

On sidenote, I dont complain about black women being considered the least attractive women in America.

You would complain if people insisted black women aren't having any issue. And that's funny you bring black women up, because black women chase after black or white men, they never go after asian men who are their strict equivalent SMV wise. You don't see asian men going after black women either.

People have been fed with the false sense that they should pair with their kind, as a short man I've been told that I should go for short girls. But short girls wanted tall guys. And tall girls wanted tall guys because that's logical. And fat girl wanted tall guys too. Do you really think as a short guy I had the choice and could afford being picky? That's funny that you imagine someone like me as entitled when I couldn't even get the uglier girls. :') I had much more luck when I started aiming for average girls, makes sense considering they're much more common.

Mr_Smoogs · 2019-06-13T12:43:53+00:00

Why are you defining ‘entitled’ as complaining?

A short guy complaining about the market does not necessarily mean he feels he deserves a gf or is owed one.

ThrowawayCactus6012 · 2019-06-13T12:07:50+00:00

I don't see it so much as an entitlement problem as much as it's just calling it what it is. Women try to pretend as if there's some sort of "logic" behind their choices. Either that, or they get mystical and claim to have some sort of "intuition" or "sixth sense," as if they tell which guys are "creepy" and which ones aren't.

The only "entitlement issue" here is from women who believe that they're entitled to not be called out on their bullshit.

quercusp · 2019-06-13T12:41:53+00:00

have an entitlement problem

And my problem is the mechanics of this subreddit. Can't find the downvote button, which is my natural reaction when reading "entitled".

[deleted] · 2019-06-13T15:37:32+00:00

If a short guy plays all his cards right, goes to the gym, has a healthy social life and good social proof there's nothing entitled about him not wanting to date in the bottom of the barrel.

Same for a fat girl. Is being fat really her only issue?

And black women are attractive and age better. The problem is context. Black women in the states tend to have more baggage too. Plus you likely can't really compete with her former boyfriends in terms of schlong size.

Akashe88 · 2019-06-13T16:18:08+00:00

It's ridiculously easy to get off your fat ass and get ripped.

You can't, however, get taller.

Fatness is associated with a long list of health problems and bad personal characteristics, such as laziness, stupidity, etc.

Being short is not.

Women's hypergamous expectation of their boyfriend being 10-20 centimeter taller is quite retarded and shallow. In the 21th century it doesn't have much utility either.

Adam,

175 cm

ifelsedowhile · 2019-06-13T16:26:20+00:00

LilithofDumbylon are you aware that short guys can't grow but fat chicks can loose weight?

SouthernOhioRedsFan · 2019-06-13T16:58:48+00:00

Does this mean being short doesn't matter for women, and being fat doesn't matter for men? That would be great because then I could only worry about being unattractive because of my height rather than that and my weight.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-06-14T10:32:54+00:00

Short men aren't allowed to complain about having much reduced dating pools? why is the issue? why aren't we allowed to complain?

"The short guy CAN get laid, but he wants the girls that the tall guy gets."

Nonsense. Short guys go for all types of girls and are often rejected. Go actually read on r/short before spouting this shit.

Asking short men not to complain is like asking a man without a leg not to complain. There is no single trait which is more dehumanising than being a short man.

Gravel_Roads · 2019-06-13T11:13:42+00:00

You just shouldn't demand a high value lover if you're not high value yourself.

Why? If someone sets their standards really high, it maybe decreases their chances of getting "literally any relationship", but it increases their chances of getting "a relationship they specifically would want".

For many people, being in a relationship with a sub-par partner you're not attracted to is worse than being single. People are free to complain that they "cant find the right one" all they want -- bitching is part of the human experience. I don't see it as any more significant than if a collector of rare coins complained that he was having a hard time finding a specific coin from a specific year. He could just take the next penny he finds on the street, but it's not what he wants so he wouldn't value it anyway.

Settling for someone just for the sake of being in a relationship is a poor LTR strategy.

NOW, if you're just talking about casual sex, sure, why not. It would probably increase your chances of getting laid. But any relationships based on this premise wouldn't do well, because people tend to need to really like each other to want to stay together for very long.

LillthOfBabylon · 2019-06-13T12:45:23+00:00

Is it entitlement or just a preference? Like why isn’t it entitlement if the tall guy only wants the hot women? He doesn’t deserve anything, he just is successful in his preferences being that he has something most women want. Entitlement would imply that the short guy feels he deserves the hot girl the tall guy gets, and I’m not implying that some short men don’t feel this way, but bashing a dude for having a preference is really dumb.

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sugarcurious · 2019-06-13T15:32:05+00:00

Despite the criticisms for your argument, I would generally agree with the notion. It’s funny when not good looking people complain that good looking people are shallow but they don’t realize the irony in their statement.

ivisi0n · 2019-06-13T16:19:56+00:00

So you're saying that short guys and fat girls have higher standards than average girls or boys? Yeah right. Honestly they have lower standards because they have mind like "even this is too good for me as I'm short/fat."

NockerJoe · 2019-06-13T17:31:01+00:00

I'm 6'4. When I say height requirements are retarded I'm not being sour grapes about it. I'm just voicing the opinion I've had since like middle school when I first found out about that shit that girls who care are stupid.

I'm no superchad either but I've never been against fat girls either. I'm texting two of them right now. But then I've always put agreeableness and a good attitude over big tits or a skinny waist(read: I do that whole love people for who they are shit team blue swears doesn't exist).

SqueaksScreech · 2019-06-13T22:45:46+00:00

Thank you. I met so many people who want hot and fit life partner and get mad when they don't want to cuddle and binge eat. They demand that people find them attractive but get mad when they dont and call then shallow for not wanting to date them. If they date they get pissed that the fit person doesn't want to binge eat, they go the gym or bring up their eating habits.

[deleted] · 2019-06-14T12:57:03+00:00

I see lots of posts from bitter short guys - some of them sound extremely entitled, some of them sound just bitter. So I know what you're talking about there.

But from what I've seen from fat girls is that they don't want to be fat-shamed. Which has nothing to do with being entitled about dating. Could you give an example? I don't see an entitlement problem.

maruthescruffydog · 2019-06-15T14:02:56+00:00

I can understand stand a short man feel bitter for constant rejections as he is discriminated based on something he cannot help or rectify. Fat girl are fat because of lifestyle choices and can be rectify.

supersaiyonjunior · 2019-07-09T21:26:27+00:00

What’s wrong with the short guys wanting girls that tall guys get?

spearhead1982 · 2019-11-05T01:18:58+00:00

Short guy checking in. I don't believe short guys have an entitlement problem. Some exceptions exist such as the angry bagel guy. We just have standards. I've had good luck dating beautiful girls. That said, i take care of myself and have standards. Meaning i won't sleep with someone who's physically unattractive or has a bad personality/addiction problem etc. However i have felt the anger from some overweight girls when i gently turned them down.

sadbluefish · 2019-06-13T12:46:41+00:00

Do you know what entitlement means? Since when are either of them as acting entitled?

dicklord_airplane · 2019-06-13T14:03:29+00:00

Kinda seems like you're putting down short men to make yourself feel better by comparison.

toysjoe · 2019-06-13T12:17:25+00:00

It's not the short guy that has an entitlement problem. You choose to be fat. You don't choose to be short.

Let's also mention that what qualifies as "short" is commonly 6 feet. In reality. there really aren't that many men who are truly over 6 feet. A lot are anywhere from 5'9" to 5'11" and women can't tell the difference.

In the end, I have zero problems with people who exclude based on characteristics the other person cannot change. But don't you dare make this on them being entitled. It's 100% on you being shallow. Just own up to it instead of pinning it on them.

JerrySpatula · 2019-06-13T12:43:04+00:00

Black girls are very attractive imho.

Bayard20 · 2019-06-13T16:03:23+00:00

The short guy CAN get laid

Lemme stop you right there.

Parsa73 · 2019-06-13T13:46:27+00:00

Fat girls date attractive guys all the time, can't say the same about short men

Title	Short guys and fat girls have an entitlement problem, not a dating problem.
Author	LillthOfBabylon
Upvotes	29
Comments	281
Date	June 13, 2019 10:54 AM UTC (4 years ago)
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