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slut shaming and simping through the lens of game theory

March 19, 2022
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An interesting short video

https://youtu.be/j9BQQYsMqIw

The gist of it is that most slut shaming comes from women. It's purpose is to apply pressure against women who are more sexually promiscuous and causes sex to become cheaper amongst the general populace and against the wishes of women who don't like to keep up with the ever increasing market demand of easier access to sex.

Simp shaming plays a similar role amongst men because simping makes access to male attention and commitment much easier to obtain for women and thus not have to put out sexually or be committed to one man.

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[–][deleted]  (3 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I feel attacked.

I’m not just a pretty face to sit on, but that’s what I’m used for.

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[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

🥲

But also has a good 😂

[–]baresquad 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nothing more unattractive than a slut shaming woman. Being so obsessed with applying pressure to box other women in to fit her morales is pretty pathetic

To me, simps don’t give women “easy access” to men or whatever, I don’t care about that, they’re annoying because they’re so desperate for companionship and often project that on to women who don’t want anything to do with them

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You don't even have to think of it in terms of morals. Think of it from a purely market-driven perspective. Why do you suppose competitors within the same market always seem to settle down on a price point that is similar across every major brand within that market? Think about cellular service providers or cable TV providers. Most markets may have a handful of brands but they are all priced very similarly. A lot of this is done complicitly amongst the brands so that they don't have to sell their services too cheaply and it prevents people from jumping from one brand to another. Similarly slut shaming makes the cost of sex more expensive and makes it less desirable for a man to jump from one woman to another if it's similarly difficult amongst all women to get what he wants.

[–]Cupcakelover1985 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

If you’re talking about the west slut shaming from women is rare here. Even if women do harbor those views they tend to keep it to themselves because you’ll be socially frozen out from other women. To be honest you see the opposite more often than not. Western women encourage each other to be sexually free and explore.

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[–]baresquad 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Why place a limit on it? What type of life is it to live forcing yourself between 1-3 partners?

There’s nothing wrong with sleeping more than 3 damn people Jesus Christ

[–]Sure-Vermicelli4369 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I mean, do women on here not admit that sex with randoms sucks and often isn't worth it to them? And that sex is much better with a partner who understands your needs?

[–]bluestjuicePeople are wrong on the internet! 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, sure, but this is like asking people why they buy lottery tickets when they know they're unlikely to win.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You're right there's nothing wrong with it. However it's not for you to decide if there's something wrong with it within another person's boundaries. Even without religion there are many reasons why people would rather have somebody with less than three partners on their body count list. It's a personal preference and I think there is a evolutionary psychological reason for it amongst most men. There is also an evolutionary psychological reason why women view promiscuous women in a negative fashion.

[–]baresquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t disagree because you’re right, it’s not for me to decide, my original comment isn’t saying it’s for me to decide but rather that it’s no one else’s place to decide whether having more than 1-3 partners is “fine” as the comment I replied to said

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[–]Suspicious-Pie-5356 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Nah bro, old people be FUCKING. Go look at the frequency of sti’s in nursing homes. 50 is way too early to stop having sex, barring medical complications, unless both parties’ libido has simply fizzled out already, which is not exactly likely.

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[–]Bubbly_Taro 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It increases the chance that you're exposed to STDs. It increases the chance that you are emotionally unstable within relationships. It increases the chance that you are harder to please in a sexual manner. Men do not have access to sex in the same way women do and thus most men will not be as experienced and will have a harder time pleasing a very promiscuous woman. By the time the woman wants to settle down she's severely going to limit her potential mates who are willing to commit to a woman who has a higher body count.

[–]Netheral 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is only a problem if she has unrealistic standards about how sexual chemistry works. And it also sounds more like this is an anxiety that you have towards your own ability to perform to be honest.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

For myself I'm not at all anxious about my ability to perform. However imagine if you are a guy who is only had one or two partners and you match up with some woman who's been with 50 or 100 plus partners. Don't you think it would be a little understandable that they would have anxiety? I dated women who were married for years and have only had one or two partners and very limited vanilla sex life. It's not very fun as someone who has certain kinks and fetishes to have to find out that the extent of their knowledge is missionary and maybe doggy style when they're feeling dirty.

[–]SliptheLust, Thrust, Bust and Dust 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

And why do men slut shame?

Do they not want casual sex?

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 10 points11 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Some men are viscerally disgusted at a promiscuous woman. No I don't believe all men want casual sex. In today's society casual sex is much more accepted and slut shaming from Men is much rarer than it was 30 or 40 years ago.

[–]SliptheLust, Thrust, Bust and Dust 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you think there's an overlap between a lack of sexual success on a man's part and his propensity to slut shame?

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps. If a man is not having any sex I could see why he would view sluts with particular disdain. But some conservative men don't want sexual success but instead just a decent committed relationship with a monogamous woman. If the culture veers towards women becoming more promiscuous and putting out easier and less likely to be monogamous or at least settle down with a good guy then I could see another reason why that man would view such women with disdain. Namely it is decreasing the number of suitable partners for him that he would find acceptable to commit to.

[–]jeriatricmillennial 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why? What would make one viscerally disgusted about it? If a person has had sex with many people, but they have no health or STI concerns. What would the visceral response be towards? To me that would say that man has a proprietary and territorial sense over the female at such a deep level that they viscerally respond to the idea that other mens penises have been inside their partners vagina. Someone who has had consequences from promiscuity such as herpes, is a different response.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Evolutionarily speaking, yes you are right, men are territorial. Many men do have a deep disgust of the thought of their partner being with many other people. As much as the prevailing societal pressure wants people to believe that men and women are identical they simply are not.

[–]jeriatricmillennial 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This makes sense to me, but wouldn’t these men have that same response to ANY other partners?

[–]dysonRing 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The only thing policing women today is other women, they can whine about men doing slutshaming but these are minority trolls AND they always sound desperate for pussy, and they can laugh it off easily.

However coming from another woman, it always stings.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think this is completely true. If a high value man has casual sex with a woman, she asks for a relationship eventually, he declines because she's not high value enough or doesn't want to settle down, she stops having sex with him, and he then calls her a slut to his friends, then she might not be able to laugh it off so easily.

But yeah, I do think that it's more common for other women to do the type of slut shaming that actually upsets women than men.

[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It all hurts equally and at the same rate

[–]Apprehensive_Boat_70 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You talk like if women respect and love simps, in reality they hate em and just take whatever they can get from them, which is ironic because they dislike them for the same reasons men dislike sluts but nobody tries to force them to get over it or accept a simp, but men have to date and wife up sluts otherwise mysoginisim.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No I don't imply that women respect and love them anymore than I imply that men respect and love sluts. Simps simply give women validation without the woman having to earn it.

[–]Apprehensive_Boat_70 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But even women shame them too, they just dont dp that to their faces.

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[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Men's unwillingness to commit to sluts is also a form of slut-shaming.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's like saying a woman's unwillingness to date an overly sexual man is slut shaming.

[–]RealNiceLady 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That would be true if that's the way women acted

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It is. It's pretty common for men to mention sex very soon after initial messages on dating apps and most women ghost after that. It's a constant topic on Reddit.

[–]RealNiceLady 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What I meant was women don't really dump guys because of their sexual history. In your example, men did a creepy approach instead of being romantic, not the same thing.

[–]John_OakmanLVM advocate 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's actually a [self-serving] reason for men to slut shame women: it gives off the impression that said men have options and thus can be picky, which implies that they have values of some sort. This is mainly a subconscious and why unofficially incels and misogynists are higher on the social pecking order than simps, male feminists, and genuinely good men.

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's kind of a weird reason. It doesn't ring true to me. I remember back in the day in high school when many guys that I knew were virgins would still slut shame. In fact one guy I knew had a chance to be with a particular girl who had a history and he turned her down because he wasn't interested in that kind of woman. Mind you this was back in the early 90s and I know things have changed.

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