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Study: female sexlessness is also rising:

July 28, 2022
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https://ifstudies.org/blog/more-faith-less-sex-why-are-so-many-unmarried-young-adults-not-having-sex According to this study made between 1989 and 3 2021, female sexlessness is much higher than in 2021 than 1989, quite surprising with the rise of sexual liberation, OLD and feminism.

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[–]AidsVictim 133 points134 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

A hyper sexualized society has the ironic effect of making many people more asocial/asexual. More fundamentally society is producing people that are asocial to begin with - sexuality being muted is just a side effect of that (along with all the other problems people have with modern sex/relationships).

[–]High_Pains_of_WTX 42 points43 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ask Japan.

[–]sluttykitt_y 16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Everyone is scared of rejection or doesn’t want to stain their ego

[–]urukgay2022B 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also tech algorithms protect it so we are infinitely entertained.

[–]SpicyNippss 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's actually as societies become more egalitarian and women aren't required to marry anymore or serve their husbands. When women have full control over their independence, their hypergamy goes into overdrive. Not only this, but their sex drives on average are lower, and get their intimacy through platonic means. All of this culminates into sexlessness for both men and women. There's consequences to every decision life, even feminism. What i've learned in life, is that you have to pick which preferable shitty situation you want to be in. Because despite what a lot of redditors on here would like you to believe. I don't think the 1950s house wife was always happy and fullfilled.

[–]NFthrowaway8302021No Pill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not sure why everyone keeps bringing up the 1950s. There's the 60s 70s, and 80s that existed when most Americans were still young, not overweight, partying and hooking up and had a better quality of life. Not to mention college and housing was more affordable and social media wasn't around yet. The US didn't really start its decline until somewhere in the 80s to 90s imo, but I really think the 2010s and 2020s have been a real disaster

[–]urukgay2022B 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think the 1950s house wife was always happy and fullfilled.

You would be surprised how happy people are in all kind of shitty jobs, families and societies around the world. But of course that happiness is only there when there is no immediate point of comparison.

I guess it is like high earning people not feeling happy because they are not so rich.

Regardless, women today are not as happy as they claim. Not even close.

[–]urukgay2022B 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A hyper sexualized society has the ironic effect of making many people more asocial/asexual.

This is very true.

People still wonder why "sexually frustrated" past and conservative societies had more sex than them.

[–]Gundam_net 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People are also becoming ruder and less genuine and less fun to be around.

[–]Obvious-Rise9199 -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Some woman have selective memories about what they'd do for compliments, drinks and dinner. "Oh that one doesn't count..."

[–]rosesonthefloor 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

And you got that from the study… how?

[–]pablitosocoolRed Pill Man 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

source:

trust me bro

[–]Obvious-Rise9199 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your mom.

And as stated, personal experience. A few hundred dates over 7-8 years from someone wildly interested with a minor in psychology? I saw a lot of mental gymnastics to justify behaviors or hide shame. Part of being the strong feminist does not always compute with saying you don't fuck too soon and then fucking too soon.

And to build upon that, if you take any survey like this as gospel, you are not being honest with yourself. People generally tell others what they want to hear. Woman might not be honest with the body count to ensure they are not scaring away potential less experienced men or being judged by "real feminists" for "falling for Chad". I just know I am by no means the smoothest guy ever, and whenever I heard a woman say "I like to take my time", I was sure to stop at the store and buy condoms.

[–]Highflyer47 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Welcome to south korea

[–]prettykit11 points [recovered] (19 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe in casual sex. I haven't met the person I want to settle down with yet, so I'm not out there having sex with anyone. If I'm seeing someone new and see serious potential, that's when I'd consider taking it to that level once the trust is there and the exclusivity piece is there. Otherwise, I'm a bit sexually frustrated hahah. It sucks.

But this doesn't surprise me I guess? Although I do think it's bad for all people if we're not doing something so natural to us.

[–]LivePossible 57 points58 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

There’s so many women I know with the same mindset as you. I’m not sure why the guys on this sub think it’s impossible that women will deny themselves sex for a long time in order to find a quality match. And no, quality doesn’t automatically equate to hottest guy ever in the minds of most women lol. A large percentage of women want the stability and emotional safety of a long-term partner.

[–]prettykit11 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm not American or European but I guess if I was one of those guys, I'd assume a lot of women around me are hooking up. It seems more ingrained in both areas for women to do that I guess? Especially in American "colleges". Having seen what my American family experienced.. it seems like hooking up was a right of passage there.

I definitely don't think all women are doing that though. Depends on the person as we're all different of course. I'd say a large chunk of us definitely are just looking for one good partner but I can't speak for all women. I'm also not the average woman considering I remained a virgin/celibate for way longer than most women do and I've been approached by way more attractive men than most women I know claim to have been (I mean in real life) but I was semi-religious and I'm spiritual. Again, not typical factors for where I live. I think if men want someone more mindful, they should go for certain traits rather than going for people who indulge in every moment.

[–]LivePossible 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, I hear you. I was a virgin until my early 20s and had a religious upbringing. Definitely influenced how I approached sexual relationships.

[–]mermaid_bloom 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

imo it's because of

  1. porn
  2. certain men gravitate towards social spaces that are popular with women more open than average to casual sex, even if they aren't actually having it
  3. some men devalue women who have had casual sex to such a degree that it becomes easy to believe they're "doing far worse"

my reasoning

  1. the only place i'm aware of that actually seems to reflect many of the claims i've seen about women's sex lives is porn. fantasy element aside, porn stars are still real life women having real life sex. i don't think men disconnect the natural bias to "trust what you perceive" when watching porn. ik redpill suggests to quit porn but they still encourage seeking out the fantasy of unlimited casual sex
  2. dating apps and night clubs are spaces where most women are at least tolerant to the concept of casual sex (i.e. they don't think it's immoral, even if they won't participate). and it's where the women who actually do have casual sex are likely to be. so some men conflate the two, because there's no obvious difference when they get rejected
  3. when they know a woman who has had X partners, it not hard for them to believe she's had 2-3 times as many or that all her friends are the exact same. or that any woman with a number above his preference has had as much sex as that one woman he knows with the highest body count

[–]LivePossible 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Super thorough breakdown! Lots to chew on but I agree with 99% of it

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No it's not that women want stability and emotional safety of long term partner it's that romantics want those things. I admit women would identity with that political identity but as a man I would say I strongly identify with that identity than most women I see online. The gender war has blinded us to the real war which is the romantic war. I personally believe romance has become political in our culture and us romantics must unite and resolve our differences.

[–]kvakerokNo Pill "Chadlite" 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

imo, romance is dead in our society. It's so trite and commoditized that the one that's around is like McDonald's burgers. Doesn't necessarily taste bad, but it's BORING.

I used to write poetry in my active dating days. Once you write a poem for a girl, she just comes apart at the seams / unravels emotionally. I remember that one time I took the beat of Justin Timberlake's "My Love" and wrote my own lyrics for a girl I liked. I was in her pants the next day. How many people do you know who can write a poem today? God, even just quote a poem?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah no one wants to or can do that anymore

[–]LivePossible 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

A lot of younger men don’t seem to understand this but thoughtful romantic gestures are kryptonite for most women. I can totally see why that chick’s panties melted after you gave her a poem haha

[–]bison5595 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s simple, you guys are overestimating the amount of women with this mindset

[–]SeeeVeee 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think this is a great attitude for people, provided they're actually going to end up with someone. If not, it's a lot of waiting for nothing. That's what concerns me.

[–]retal1ator 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is how it should always be. Sex is intimate and important, shouldn’t be done with anyone.

[–]kvakerokNo Pill "Chadlite" 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Have you always done it? Or are you doing it now that you're older and casual sex has lost its appeal?

[–]prettykit11 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I've never done it. I didn't even have sex or a serious relationship until closer to 30.

[–]kvakerokNo Pill "Chadlite" 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

By choice or did strict religious upbringing (or something to that order) have anything to do with it?

[–]pop442No Pill 51 points52 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Not surprised. I was surprised to find that a number of highly educated/career oriented 20 something women I've encountered have told me how they never had a boyfriend or they haven't been in a relationship for years. These were decent looking women too.

I think people are becoming more and more consumed with their jobs and trying to make ends meet to live the "Sex In The City" lifestyle on both sides and the costs of raising a child today are so astronomical that it can serve as a deterrent to constantly have casual sex.

[–]Catherine772023 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Especially with fears about lack of contraception US

[–]coastFI_chaser 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yes, but also its becoming more complex to find a compatible partner as you become older, more financially secure, self aware and advance in your career. Back in the day you met someone early on and tried to build a life together now you are building it apart then trying to put people together afterwards.

[–]VictoriaSobocki [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

So true!

[–]Catherine772023 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

SATC is expensive when you think about it. Expensive apartments, restaurants, tonnes of expensive clothes and shoes.

[–]VictoriaSobocki [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

And we never really see them work very hard haha…

[–]urukgay2022B 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was surprised to find that a number of highly educated/career oriented 20 something women I've encountered have told me how they never had a boyfriend or they haven't been in a relationship for years.

Those women would NEVER give a man without education or lower income even a chance, and men are aware of that so they do not approach them.

Meanwhile, men who actually earn more and are more stable than those educated women also prefer younger pussy because they can. It is kind of fun when you see it.

[–]jingleofadogscollar_ -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So... none of the 438 matches on their dating app meet their standards?

[–]notmysoleaccount 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most single women I know are not on dating apps.

[–]jackedclown_11 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Honestly, i don't think the cost of a child is too much. My cousins migrated as refugees 15 years ago to the United States, and many of them have 3-4 kids. They only spoke basic English when they arrived, but they still managed to raise many smart, healthy kids. The thing is, they don't give each kid a cellphone, an iPad and a laptop. They go on vacations(usually to Asia) once in 2 years. The problem with many Americans is that, they don't know how to live inside their means. They earn a lot, but have fuck all for savings.

[–]pop442No Pill 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

15 years ago is the key word here.

Right now, we're dealing with insane inflation, child care costs, gas prices, a real estate bubble, and other things.

I do grocery shopping only for myself and even I get intimidated by how much it costs to simply have meals planned out for the weekday. That's not even factoring in diaper costs and what have you.

[–]urukgay2022B 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Economic crises are often more bearable with a supporting family, multiple incomes, and two heads for more ideas. You also save more by person... shared rent, for example.

The issue is that people now want people who are established rather than growing together. NGMI.

[–]VictoriaSobocki [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yup (studied law and met many attractive smart and single people)

[–]MasterTeacher123 245 points246 points  (333 children) | Copy Link

I think the thought process for many women is

My finger/Vibrator>>>Some dude I’m meh about being on top of me for 4 minutes of pumps lol

[–]localmicrodosechamp 135 points136 points  (260 children) | Copy Link

I don’t really desire sex when I’m not in a relationship.

It’s more:

My comfort/safety >>>> orgasmless sex w someone who can’t connect w me emotionally

[–]maygirll 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seconding this

[–]neolib-cowboy 14 points15 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

I don’t really desire sex when I’m not in a relationship.

I find this fascinating, cuz for men its the exact opposite. But I have heard many, many women say this

[–]ahillbilly97 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The sex’s are equal, similar, but not the same.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 25 points26 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

yes the way we socialize men and women is fundamentally incompatible

[–]neolib-cowboy 27 points28 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Have you considered that it may also be biological? Humans have been around for 100,000 years +. Modern dating has only been a thing for 40 years or so. Women have much more to lose from being promiscuous (pregnancy), so they have evolved to be content being single and not be horny all the time, while men have evolved to be horny all the time to maximize the number of offspring. People say mind over matter, but hormones are very strong

[–]TodTheRod01 13 points14 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

It has zero to do with socializing...

Its biology. I dont want and crave sex because society LOL

I want it cuz i have a high sex drive, i have plenty of testosterone, im healthy i workout etc...

[–]Cephalan 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

reactive sexuality. i only have a sex drive when i'm around a man who triggers it.

[–]Peacesquad 15 points16 points  (208 children) | Copy Link

What is a emotional connection

[–]prettykit11 points [recovered] (30 children) | Copy Link

Opening up to each other, allowing space for emotions, showing emotions, bonding over deeper conversations, being a safe space to talk about life in general, etc.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

YES

[–]luca_razmus 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Opening up about how I feel, in the relationship is the very moment the relationship died, in retrospect.

People say this, but then don't like it. So lesson learned, say nothing.

[–]NationalistGoy 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Aren't women more attracted to stoic men, aren't women more attracted to emotionally unavailable men, or men that are not reactive?

[–]SeeeVeee1 points [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link

Relationships like that aren't a safe space for men. They're a safe space for you.

When men follow this line of thinking it bites them in the ass

[–]Peacesquad 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Do you understand why an average man would be against this type of stuff? How soon should a man start showing these traits to women?

[–]localmicrodosechamp 27 points28 points  (173 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. Men are so far behind on this it’s like a foreign language to them.

[–]Peacesquad 21 points22 points  (141 children) | Copy Link

Please explain to me. I’m a guy

[–]PINKFLOYD24 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You offended so many of them haha but girl I'm with you 100%

[–]IMendicantBias 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

because the feelings men express beyond negative ones generally aren’t liked by women unless it’s towards them in a hyper-specific manner serving that individual woman.

We go over this all time women truly don’t care unless it’s expressed a certain way for certain reasons at certain times.

[–]8m3gm60 15 points16 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

You sound like you buy purple hair dye in barrels.

[–]TodTheRod01 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Its not that we're behind...its that we're DIFFERENT.

none of what you listed turns me on or gets me going in a sexual fashion. MANY men are similar

[–]revente1 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Stop with misandry. You can initiate forming the connection by yourself instead of relying men do all the legwork.

[–]0_kohan 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Love.

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What’s that?

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You could borrow a proven fwb from a gf to reduce safety concerns and have a guy good at given orgasma. My gf did that for her gfs "hey this one is good at eating pussy and keeps his mouth shut"

[–]Ozymandias_VIII 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some people really do live different lives.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Then the concern isnt safety, its not having Chad to yourself and going celibate until then.

[–]pearllovespink 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

She didn't have a man of her own to hook up with? I did this but in a completely different way. It was my ex bf lol. Im not sleeping with anyone my friends laid up with.

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

She recommended fwbs and exes to gfs, the other way didnt occur since she was always with someone.

[–]splunx [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lie. The amount of upvotes is disgusting.

[–]VictoriaSobocki [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agree

[–]Caring_CactusPurple Pill Man 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This goes to show how similar both men and women are at their core. There's been a lot more risks lately that also make it harder for people to meet openly too for such things. It's much easier to get that feeling over with alone than to deal with another person you have to attend to, lots of people don't have the energy for that. I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing, but should be something to be careful of not overdoing.

[–]cliffthegeneralpeas 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

👍👏

[–]dottywineA Normal Person 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also better than pregnancy, STI, UTI, having someone in your life who is a waste, etc

[–][deleted] 17 points18 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

This is legit what I've heard from women. Even the studies done, the average, AVERAGE, is 5.5 minutes of pure dick in vagina pumping intercourse. Bro, how the fuck are you this garbage?! No wonder they'll hop to vibrators. Also makes me wonder why some have taken a high n count. You took on that many people for 2 hours of actual sex in total? Can some men get you off in 5.5. Sure. Can most? Naw lol

[–][deleted] -3 points-2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Bro, how the fuck are you this garbage?!

its not possible to control when you cum

some just cum quicker, nothing you can do

[–]Theatre_throw 8 points9 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

It is very much possible. It's not like you were just born with a stopwatch with a limited amount of time that you can do nothing about.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

how is it possible

[–]nothatyoucare 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You switch to oral or fingers before you cum. And then switch back.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

another stupid advice

[–]nothatyoucare 25 points26 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

being on top of me for 4 minutes of pumps lol

Stop star fishing. See, totally passive language. Sex is something that "happens to you" not a process that you're an equal participant in. And the only person responsible for that... is you.

[–]peteypete78 25 points26 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep.

I'm convinced the women who moan about only being used as a warm hole are the ones who lay there like a warm hole.

[–]DreJ-X 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps thats why most of them are really into doggy

[–]Blame_the_Muse{<my pussy tastes like pepsi cola>} 2 points3 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

And then he'll cum in 2 minutes

[–]nothatyoucare 13 points14 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Then put your pussy in his face before he cums. Or get him to start fingering you. Switch it up every few minutes. Or pull our your toys when he does cum so yall can keep going. Amateurs...

As much as women love to talk shit it would be hilarious if they were the ones that had to get erections, stop themselves from cumming too soon, etc. Especially with their neurotic asses, having to deal with that pressure? ha.

[–]Blame_the_Muse{<my pussy tastes like pepsi cola>} 7 points8 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Lol why would I do that when I could just masturbate? I'm not aroused by giving directions

Women are under pressure to perform too. The difference is no woman's ever thought that "being embarrassed" is the worst possible outcome of sex

[–]neolib-cowboy 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This makes sense to me as a man too, plus, no risk of pregnancy which is a huge plus, esp. with the end of Roe v Wade (though that isn't factored into the study bc the study ended in 2021 before Roe was overturned)

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Without the risk of being beaten up to a pulp.

[–]nothatyoucare 11 points12 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Women are the ones that ask me to choke them and pull their hair. I don't have a natural proclivity to do that myself. Yall want to be roughed up.

[–]neolib-cowboy 25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

They want to consent to be roughed up lol, they don't just want to be roughed up for no reason when they don't want it my guy

[–]AntWillFortune15Treacherous Snake 💜 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I can just imagine him on the streets now looking for women to rough up and saying “yeaaaahhh this is what you wanted?” Wtf? Lol

[–]nothatyoucare 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On any one day men are much more likely to suffer any sort of physical violence here in the US versus women. But boy women love to make a big deal about it like they're getting their shit kicked in every day when they're not. Its a relative rarity that women suffer physical assault compared to men and how much of it happens.

Now then, with as much as women want to complain about and use the idea of physical violence as a cudgel to beat men with metaphorically, yall also ask for violence during sex. Comes across hypocritical to me.

I don't want to be beat up anywhere, but at the same time I don't make a big production moaning about it either. Women.. oh woe is me men might beat me up please choke me harder daddy. oof.

[–]UrbantexasguyChad's better looking older brother 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This has GOT be some kind of Gen-Z thing. In 30 years of dating and meeting all kinds of women in nightclubs, I've never had ANY woman ask me to choke them, or pull their hair, and I've had the misfortune of "sticking my dick in crazy" more than once.

Are you sure these are actual requests?

[–]nothatyoucare 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its not a Gen-z thing. I'm an elder millennial and so were my partners. They both asked for the choking, hair pulling, roughed up shit.

[–]TodTheRod01 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Millenial here...its def not a gen z thing

[–]nicethingyoucanthaveRed Pill Male 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

If there’s a gen-z difference, it’s in the willingness to articulate “taboo” proclivities. It’s not (much of) a difference in the presence of those proclivities.

Next time you’ve got a girl in the prone-bone position, put an arm under her, between her tits, and wrap your fingers around her throat. OBVIOUSLY DONT JUST RANDOMLY START CHOKING HER. Just hold her like that. You’ll get feedback through body language if she likes it, and afterwards, if she wants to be choked, she’ll feel comfortable letting you know.

[–][deleted] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a millenial freak. Yes, she's got serious daddy issues.

[–]AntWillFortune15Treacherous Snake 💜 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmaoo log off and stop roughing up random women. I don’t want to have report you to the authorities 😂

[–]DreJ-X 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol

[–]Wooden_Worker_3107Purple Pill Man 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

100%

[–]EatMyAsssssssssssss 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So accurate and succinct

[–]TodTheRod01 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Compound that with the common Men aint shit feeling that many women get indoctrinated with...

AND how many women have said they dont wanna share a man yet majority go for the same type of guy...some would rather be alone than share...

Lastly Many women will say i love dick...but then add the caveat they love the man they are withs dick...aka if he sends dick pics thats hot but they dont want dick pics of randoms...men love nice titties and ass on any chick.

[–]Balthazarzoiss 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ramblings of a madman

[–]TodTheRod01 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you're delusional if you don't see this in real life....

[–]warramite 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My finger/Vibrator>>>Some dude I’m meh about being on top of me for 4 minutes of pumps lol

Right.. the issue is people disagree on what makes a woman categorize a guy as "some dude"

[–]scwizardPurple Pill Man 52 points53 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Hormonal birth control is hardly doing wonders for women's sex drive. Hormonal IUDs are way up over the past few decades.

Who could have guessed that an implant that prevents you from ovulating would lower your sex drive.

[–]noodle_king_69 26 points27 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Modern birth control has much, much less hormones that what they used to have.

[–]lithiumlolipopNo Pill 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But they are used more now.

[–]VictoriaSobocki [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

They still affect many women in bad ways. I went over to something non hormonal because it messed me up emotionally

[–]h1shmanNo Pill -1 points0 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Giving women very low doses of androgens would fix this. 1 mg of Anavar a couple times a week and they would be fiends until they level out

[–]Moon-on-my-mind 7 points8 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Never imagined there's a pill out there for women...thank you for suggesting a med name, will bring it up with my psych. Antidepressants have floored my drive, which was low already from 10 years of birth control. Maybe i can be somewhat normal.

[–]h1shmanNo Pill 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Oh well that certainly was more of a hypothetical as the medical field is only just scratching the surface when it comes to hormone replacement. My background is more performance enhancement and hormone optimization. Anavar is a steroid derivative that was designed to be less androgenic so it could be given to women and children and not cause the negative side effects like deepening of the voice/hair growth etc. I coached female bodybuilders and they would use up to 5mg a day. A couple milligrams a week would be all that’s needed for a healthy increase in a woman’s libido.

I think a much better long term and medically tested method would be testosterone pellets. They are placed under the skin every few months and provide a very small amount of testosterone for the purpose of female hormone therapy.

The reason however why Anavar is superior is that testosterone is partially converted into estrogen via a human enzyme called aromatase. So while it would increase testosterone you’d see slight elevation in estrogen. All this is ok as long as everything stays in balance and at a small dose bloodwork would show you and your doctor how everything is looking so you can make adjustments. Anavar is not susceptible to the aromatase enzyme and therefore would have almost no impact to your estrogen. Putting your testosterone around the top of the range of 70 nano gram per deciliter should give you the bump you desire.

Edit: Also having out of balance estrogen, testosterone, prolactin can give you depression/anxiety. Unfortunately hormone replacement therapy isn’t seen as the first line fix for some of these issues. I’d have have your levels checked for that reason alone.

[–]Lauracurieuse 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

5 mg/day !!!

So, do tell us a bit more about your experience on working with super horny mega in shape women.

[–]Moon-on-my-mind 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you so much for the detailed info! Took notes and i think i should use this to check my hormone levels. Last time i did that was like 8 years ago and back then i had excess prolactin and i think low testosterone too if i remember correctly. All the doctor did is put me on BC pills. I've suffered from depression and anxiety most of my life, but if i find the cause to be hormonal...that would change my life. Maybe a treatment that doesn't make me put on so much weight that i am now working on losing.

Have a good day and thank you again!

[–]majani 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Something's off with this assessment, otherwise pharmaceutical companies would have been all over var as the female viagra

[–]Fit-Faithlessness149 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Trenbolone I've heard makes men so horny that they get with fatties and consider trying out the D.

[–]h1shmanNo Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah Tren is really horrible. It’s one of the only steroids that wasn’t even created for human use. Mental sides vary between the individual and some don’t even get them. Paranoia and a short fuse are the most common. It gives you very lucid and gory dreams usually of you committing acts of violence against your loved ones. It temporarily changes the kind of women you’re attracted to usually more masculine/tranny porn is dabbled in than fatties. Less studied is it’s increase in gray matter of the brain. Usually REM sleep let’s your body clear the gray matter out but Tren makes your sleep bad and significantly increases neural oxidative stress so the impact is twofold.

Top it off it fucks your sleep, fucks your cardio vascularity, and makes you sweat all the time.

Works really damn well though. I wasn’t ever willing to try.

[–]urbangothNo Pill -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I already have a high libido despite being on the pill.

But fuck if this doesn't sound tempting to go into some kind of beast mode. Greedy, greedy.

[–]ezbyte 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maca root does the same thing naturally, if you can’t get a prescription.

[–]rn7889 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ll offer some thought. Aimless scrolling for hours is depleting our dopamine so we have no desire to get it elsewhere.

[–]VictoriaSobocki [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ouch

[–]throwawaytouchscreen 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men thinking women define our attractiveness and value from getting casual sex. Perhaps hypersexual girls with no strings attached. But women who desire intellectual/spiritual connections don't care about meaningless sex.

[–]pearllovespink 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why should women have sex with men who don't appreciate us? The one thing I'll give the self love and body positive movement is influencing women to love themselves.

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Youre asking this question now? But not when you had sex with those assholes? Lol

[–]pearllovespink 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ve never had sex with an asshole. Can’t relate.

[–]sarkington 28 points29 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

[–]LivePossible 35 points36 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

That’s interesting, I’m new to this sub but I’ve seen many people insist that women are constantly having casual sex. They must have missed the memo.

[–]tommysamson 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

we are talking about the women men desire

[–]LivePossible 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

finally! someone admits it

[–]volante_wannabe 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

only very few women aren't desired by the average guy, really

[–]Icy_Rub1839 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, no...

All women can still get casual sex at the drop of a hat.

[–]Icy_Rub1839 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nope, any woman could just open an online dating account and get hundreds of likes/matches.

[–]AtomicMGTOW1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't believe there's many women having 'casual sex'. I believe that, when a woman is having sex with a man, she wants something... something beyond the sex. ALWAYS (well, except for the few crazy meth head sluts). Women are (almost) always exchanging sex for something. It's their currency.

The women that 'want that guy' will suck and fuck his brains out "hoping" he'll get addicted and stick around. That NEVER works.

The women that hold out and set goals (wait 3 months) are 'training a dog'. It will look like he loves you, but he's just waiting and performing tricks until he gets some.

Sorry ladies, it's a tough spot. You really have 2 choices:

Fuck him and he MIGHT leave, don't fuck him and he WILL.

Everything else is an illusion.

If you wanna fuck, fuck... if you don't, don't...

I would never want to feel/think a woman is having 'duty sex' (or denied it) with me because she felt like she owed it to me (or was punishing 'bad behaviour'). If you're having sex to either set up up a goal or just to keep me around, that's a bad idea. Gotta go with the flow. Yes, it should be longer than a couple dates but hard-and-arbitrary numbers like "3 months" is equivalent to an employment probationary period.

As if you don't know a girl (or maybe it happened to you) that 'made him wait' a YEAR (back between grade 7-10) and he ghosted. Probation periods are meaningless. Yeah, when I get a new job, I show up for 3 months, after that, all bets are off. Now it's really about the 'fit' and if I like the job and if they can deal fairly.

Yeah, it's easy to say at 47. But damn. women my age still playin' this stupid game.

Through the 'sexual revolution' is was WOMEN (you'r moms and grandmas) that were playing this game. Before that, men and women had to WAIT and court/date. Your MOTHERS ruined it because, cmon, men gonna fuck if it's available.

[–]LivePossible 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Where I agree with you is that women shouldn’t make sexual decisions in order to manipulate male behavior. They should have sex or not have sex based on their own values and desires.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

YES, Like OMG, do you want to have sex with him/her/whomever? "Yes" Ok then.

With this there are NO RAGRETS

I am SICK AND FUCKING TIRED of this post-coital "RAGRETS"

I'm so done with the female "victim" stories. I ain't talking 'bout no forced shit. I'm talking about some female being all "And he wouldn't stop with the meth"... yeah, well, he was doing that before.

I'm done. And MeTOO went TOO far (as women do) and now it's a fucking joke. Yeah, you want me to feel sorry that Angelina Jolie sucked a cock to become famous?

I drive truck. Ain't no one sucking my cock for fame and fortune, but most importantly, I ain't sucking no cocks for no body no matter how famous and rich "I think I deserve to be."

When I get home, my hands (and clothes) are covered with grease and diesel and garbage. And I ain't had to suck no dick (nor lick no pussy) to get it.

BTW, I'm a very well spoken middle aged man. My grammar and prose were to make a point. Did anyone get it? pfft.

[–]decoy88Is your idiot brain getting fucked by stupid? 2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

We should really start frequently referencing this talking point like Red and Black pillers do all the time.

“Well as you know women are 24% sexless more than men, which that proves male Hypergamy…”

[–]Icy_Rub1839 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

But that's not true though, any woman could still just open an online dating profile and they will get hundreds of matches/likes.

[–]decoy88Is your idiot brain getting fucked by stupid? -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes it is. The stats say so. Stop talking about outliers.

[–]Icy_Rub1839 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

But any woman could get laid, particularly with online dating. The same isn't true for men. That isn't an "outlier".

You're simply delusional if you deny that.

I've also seen below average looking women rejecting good looking men because they have "better options" due to social media and online dating.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Shhh

[–]sarkington 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why? They all know this

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 65 points66 points  (57 children) | Copy Link

Right!

Like newsflash anyone can date down with ease. I just saw a comment yesterday where the guy was like just because I have acne and am 5’6 nothing but fat bitches want me it’s disgusting and it’s like so there ya go you can date you just don’t want the women available to you! Then it turned into ohhhh it’s cause hypergamy that women in my league won’t date me, as if you get to choose your league! Your league is chosen for you. Good looking to even average looking men with their shit together are few and far between, they don’t have any issues dating and they’re picky.

Ugly Jimbo who still lives at home, works at the piggly wiggly, and has a porn addiction thinks if he works out for a month he’s at the same level so he blames hypergamy. Yet you don’t see them settling for big Bertha.

[–]learn2earn89 34 points35 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yea. When I was overweight and had acne, guys wouldn’t even look at me. Now I have clear skin and I’m thin and the only dudes who have showed interest are always overweight. These fools acting like chubby dudes love chubby women. Nope

[–]thesoloroninPurple Pill Man 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I love how your name says self-improvement haha

[–]High_Pains_of_WTX 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You dont choose your league, the league chooses you.

[–]ReferenceImpossible2 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Based and truth-pilled.

[–]Longshot_56No Pill 23 points24 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Good looking to even average looking men with their shit together are few and far between, they don’t have any issues dating and they’re picky.

None of this matters if the women they would be pairing up with are even pickier, which they 100% are.

I'm a 5'11" 26M (albeit average looking dude) who has his shit together, and it's still tough out there (and I don't think I even have high standards for attractiveness). Mainly due to lack of opportunities. On paper, I check a lot of the boxes women on PPD say you would need to have to have success. I have friends that are women, I touch grass, I have had past experience in relationships, I go to events in my city, I am sociable, I have a mixed gender friend group. Pretty much every social event I've been to in the past few years has been a complete sausage fest; the only women who were there were with their partners.

There was another post on here a week ago by a mid-20s single woman confirming this. Coupled women in my friend group have also remarked on this. Women are completely free to spend their free time the way they want; however, sequestration of single women away from mixed gender social interactions will necessarily lead to most single men having a much harder time (and both genders also having less sex). The bottleneck isn't men's behavior or even women's standards (since you actually need to meet someone before behaviors can be evaluated and standards can be applied) it's how single women are deciding to spend their free time.

This isn't a complaint, just an observation. Women's apathy is probably a symptom of much larger problems that need addressing, but any prescriptive solution that starts with "Men need to come together and..." is going to fall flat on its face.

[–]LeeroyX 5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

I agree with a lot of what you are saying. It makes a lot is sense if you consider the amount of time and energy that people in general use between 20 and 30 to build a career (or establish a living). Meeting someone and progressing a relationship is time consuming for both, but it also has some additional “quirks“ for women that are detrimental to other life goals during those years (pregnancy and child rearing).

My observations of young people seem to reinforce the idea that they still like to be social but are not focused on the long term for relationships. I am not exactly attending weddings often for young people (none actually) connected to friends and family. Those youngsters (male and female) are travelling, engaged in education or in the early stages of building a career. There is also no family expectations (pressure) that they “settle down” anytime soon. It appears that late 20 - to early 30s is when long term relationships become a priority, I haven’t had a chance to see that yet as the young ones in my social circle are not at that stage!

[–]Longshot_56No Pill 6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It's been said a lot here that the best way to fight radicalization for men is the exposure to and around real-life women, and to a large extent, I agree. But that isn't going to very well work if single women just aren't choosing to be around single men.

Coupled women and friend's GFs are great to talk to but there's only so much you can learn from those interactions. Talking to women platonically is just a completely different ballgame than flirting in a romantic/sexual context. It is very much a skill you can only gain through real-world practice and experience, and no amount of watching online seduction videos is going to improve that. Even worse, it's a skill men are penalized much harsher on due to expectations they take the initiative in dating.

My concern is that more and more men and women are going to be approaching their late 20s with little to no experience, but for different reasons. Women by choice, and men because they just never had the opportunities. Are late 20s/early 30s women prepared to date and get into relationships with these late 20s/early 30s inexperienced men? Some possibly, but a lot of women see a lack of experience at that age as a pretty major red flag.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Do any of y’all have jobs?! Go to school? Like what?!? Basic socialization gives you all the exposure you need good lord.

[–]LeeroyX 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm, this may be where we differ in opinion. It might just be a case of scale. Your comment on radicalisation was for me quite out of left field, it is a complex issue that I think is not just solved by “exposure to real life women”. Anyway, enough said by me on that topic…

In regards to socialisation and skill building, it is interesting to think about particularly with the influences of online stuff added into the mix. While I do feel that there is so much variety for opportunity for social contact compare to previous generations, particularly when you consider the massive networking/communication opportunities brought about on a global scale I’m not sure it is translating well. Those that have the means and skill to take advantage of that will benefit as always - common interest groups, employment opportunities, travel opportunities, accessing resources, networking and yes building personal relationships so I’m not overly concerned for the majority of young people approaching their 30’s in terms of life experience.

I am watching Japan with interest though!

[–]scoopzthepoopz 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

So on point

[–]Throwaway778678 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You’re 100% spot on with your observation. I’ve noticed that when it comes to social events, mixers, etc there’s all guys. It seems like a lot of chicks only hang out with one another or don’t hang out with anyone at all and refuse to be in a mixed gendered social circle for some reason.

[–]throwawaytouchscreen -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't think height matters as much. While girls still prefer tall men, some will make an exception if said man has an extremely attractive face, nice hair, and other good qualities. I liked a guy that was 5'6 and I'm 5'4. His height never registered me because his face was sexy. He was also intelligent, charismatic, extremely witty, and successful. Most girls liked him despite being vertically challenged. So whenever I hear a guy complaining about dating in such severity, I assume he's either a recluse, lackluster, or has the looks only his mother loves.

[–]Longshot_56No Pill 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

He was also intelligent, charismatic, extremely witty, and successful.

Yep, qualities that can only be demonstrated with real life exposure, not dating apps.

So whenever I hear a guy complaining about dating in such severity, I assume he's either a recluse, lackluster, or has the looks only his mother loves.

Seems like you've already made up your mind then (or you just don't like listening to men complain and this is a shaming tactic). I can't make you see the lack of opportunities due to single women not putting themselves out there if you don't want to see it.

[–]throwawaytouchscreen 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, dating apps are for instant gratification. Not long term unless youre extremely compatible. I was talking about real life. "Short" guys with conventionally attractive faces don't really struggle like that when it comes to dating. Only online because height is visibly mentioned in profile. But then there are some who still do well despite that.

As for my last sentence in my original comment, I'm talking about what I've come to conclude after evaluating guys who had chronic dating issues. Of course there are various other reasons. But being a recluse was definitely the main one. Because broke, unattractive, and unintelligent men get swarms of women everyday.

[–]Impossible-Bank-1697 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Let’s say woman empathy with a man with small d she marry him but not sexually satisfied ? What did she gain ?

[–]Longshot_56No Pill 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why didn't she test drive the car before buying it? 🤔

Sounds like her fault.

[–]Impossible-Bank-1697 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Will men claim to not want a woman with hight n count so she has a lot more to lose for sleeping with lvm or even giving him a chance.

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 1 point2 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Its funny how when women blatantly say incel stuff its accepted, but when incels say it is REEEEEEE

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (18 children) | Copy Link

Disagree but go off.

I’ve never had to repeat the phrase “ you don’t pick your league, your league picks you “ so much in my life and it’s to incels who scream HYPERGAMY!

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 1 point2 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Hypergamy is proof the incels are right. In a perfect world everyone dates their equal, not above. Dating above means the people below inevitably fail

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

You don’t choose who your equal is. I LITERALLY KEEP SAYING THAT AND YOU CLAIMED ITS AN INCEL TALKING POINT: you don’t choose your league!

[–]Icy_Rub1839 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't know, I'm pretty good looking and yet I've been rejected by women a lot less attractive than me. However I have also pulled and dated women even better looking than me.

Leagues can be all over the place really.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You like every other dude here think you decide. You decided those women were more unattractive than you, we don’t know the dozens of reasons why they turned you down or whether or not they were actually unattractive.

[–]Icy_Rub1839 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Objectively I am more attractive. However you seemed to miss the part where I also said that I've pulled and dated more attractive women too.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh I didn’t miss it. What I’m saying is your personal tastes and feelings doesn’t = ‘leagues being everywhere’ you don’t know the reasons behind the responses, nor does your statement negate anything I said.

I don’t do bad faith debates, sorry.

[–]apple120 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Also social media is showing a totally unattainable body. It’s mostly anorexia with implants… & men are more and more addicted to this due to trafficking videos.. I mean porn. so women just give up & do it by themselves instead

[–]kokorwqac[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Tbh i don't think most men neccessarily like anorexic bodies but still

[–]Laytheblameonluck 30 points31 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I think what's going on though is women are having a worse time with sex than in previous decades.

[–]West_Diet_3729 17 points18 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

They didn’t have porn back then, yeah they had magazines, drawing but that’s not as advanced as the porn we have today.

[–]Stop_Maximum 13 points14 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But even then. People are more honest now than before. Honestly speaking not everyone enjoy sex, also some people are selfish when it comes to that.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Porn is honestly the problem, it’s almost entirely made for men and focused on their pleasure, women really don’t want to be treated like what’s seen in porn.

[–]Throwaway778678 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like guys watch porn because they don’t get access to sex. So what do you expect them to do?

[–]Laytheblameonluck 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sex has become about just getting off and less about relationships.

In the 70s it was books on "The Joy of Sex", today it's Tinder Apps and "fast-food sex".

Women have lower socio-sexuality, they aren't actually well suited to this change overall, and they get bored of it.

[–]scoopzthepoopz 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What's that, socio-sexuality? Genuinely curious.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's not necessarily correlated with libido:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociosexuality

It's correlated with sex partners and interestingly correlated with masculinity in both genders but masculinity is interestingly negatively correlated with sex drive in men.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Back when?

[–][deleted] 16 points17 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sure there are femcels who want relationships and can’t find them but I think the other commenters on this thread are right in that a lot of it isn’t inability to find a relationship, they just don’t want or need one.

We make up the majority of college graduates, pretty much all fields allow women and most that are male dominated have some kind of affirmative action including my own so those aren’t hard to break into either. A woman can completely support herself independently and doesn’t really have a need to be in a marriage or relationship for security or finances at all anymore.

It’s pretty much entirely because they actually genuinely enjoy the sex or spending time with the guy unless they are actively trying to have children. But the birth rate in highly developed western countries is also declining and a lot of women are choosing not to do that anymore (not a bad thing considering the ecological state of the world).

This is not surprising to me.

[–]thesoloroninPurple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

But the birth rate in highly developed western countries is also declining and a lot of women are choosing not to do that anymore (not a bad thing considering the ecological state of the world)

Meanwhile where I live, the majority of the population are still procreating like their lives depended on it.

[–]stillscottish1 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Africa is the only continent left with high birth rates

Are you in the Congo?

[–]thesoloroninPurple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You said continent. I meant country.

[–]stillscottish1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

There’s no countries outside Africa with unusually high birth rates

[–]sl3epsfortheweak 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

t it's easier for women not to have sex than men as in choosing to be alone

[–]ChibsFilipTelforddMen should not date virgins 10 points11 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/figure3-39-w640.png

Very interesting to note that although a bunch of RPs try and say that sexlessness among men is an issue, it's specifically sexlessness among never married men who think pre marital sex is wrong

[–]thedeadpillJaded Misanthropic Data-Peddler 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think it’s important to consider the source of this interpretation of the data. It’s a very Christian pro-abstinence site, and they want to portray themselves as winning a culture war against the godless libs.

The actual reasons why sexlessness is on the rise are opaque, IMO.

[–]ChibsFilipTelforddMen should not date virgins 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Sure their conclusions are biased. But the data is the data

[–]thedeadpillJaded Misanthropic Data-Peddler 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

100%, but, I would take “faithful girls are on the rise” with a lotta salt

[–]ChibsFilipTelforddMen should not date virgins 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why?

[–]PrinceBagratoniPurple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Has there been a tripling of men who think premarital sex is wrong? Certainly not.

[–]ChibsFilipTelforddMen should not date virgins 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wrong? No, just, not interested? Probably.

[–]NKC-ngoni 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

By choice lmao.

[–]fdthbfdghj 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see so many men in the comments trying to explain why this is lol. It’s because when the opposite gender is socialized to see you as an object, whether that’s for a long term or short term relationship, it permeates every aspect of your interactions. No I don’t want to have casual sex with someone who doesn’t care about me. I don’t want a relationship with a man who only cares about my appearance and would trade me in for a better looking model if he could.

Men in this sub don’t believe women say no to casual sex because they can’t imagine doing it themselves, and honestly it really just shows this mentality.

[–]Gigamon2014No Pill 39 points40 points  (79 children) | Copy Link

Yep.

I see it both online and in real life.

And what blows my mind is the endless complaints from bluepillers about incels when, judging by some of the topical choices, there are just as many pornsick, inexperienced women on here too. A lot of virgins, FDS femcels, and "I've only had one boyfriend and he's a furry" types on here

Yes, women's standards for sex have gotten higher. But men's standards for relationships are higher too. I graduated eith 3 other dudes. All of whom are more than decent looking. One is in his early twenties, studying his masters but he's already been locked down by a pretty 18 year old who seems to be holding on for dear life. The second is another guy like me who earns about $200k in cloud computing. He routinely dates stunners on Tinder but has stopped dating due to a fear he has of golddiggers. The third guy I don't chat to as much, he's even taller than me (6ft6) and got married two years ago. His girl (pretty chick who works in luxury retail) locked him down as fast as she could. He currently works for a big global 500 company and a cyber security specialist. I'm in good shape and work in cloud computing and clear anything from 200-350k each year. I've not been single for a while.

Among all of us, not a single fat/overweight chick and not a single girl below a 7/10. A lot more women are struggling because a lot of them don't want to put out without commitment...problem is their increased standards mean a lot of them are chasing after "better" guys who won't commit as easily. And thus you have a cycle which sees more and more women simply not dating period.

Only on Reddit is there this assumption than a man can't have any standards for the women they're with. Everyone here claims being overweight, promiscuous, unkempt or possessing extreme political views isn't a deal breaker for a woman. I mean, yeah if you're dealing with a bunch of incels and Internet nerds. In circles where the men have a little more going for themselves you'll actually find their standards are A LOT more rigid.

[–]NockerJoePervert Palpatine 20 points21 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I've run into a few women who've nevrr had a boyfriend and it wasn't necessarily by choice, or else they aren't tradirionally attractive and their love life is way harder. Or else they want men to make 100% of the moves but most men don't and the guys they like mostly date other women.

A lot of people will tell you women have 0 issues with this phenomenon but anecdotally theres a lot kf them complaining.

[–]AidsVictim 34 points35 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only on Reddit is there this assumption than a man can't have any standards for the women they're with. Everyone here claims being overweight, promiscuous, unkempt or possessing extreme political views isn't a deal breaker for a woman. I mean, yeah if you're dealing with a bunch of incels and Internet nerds. In circles where the men have a little more going for themselves you'll actually find their standards are A LOT more rigid.

Well you just described dudes who "more than decent looking" and sound social, making top 5%+ income and /or top 1% in height, that's pretty much top 5% everyone here is pointing to as doing really well.

[–]Returnofthemack3Purple Pill 25 points26 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah wtf? Of course those guys have the pick of the litter lol.

[–]ChibsFilipTelforddMen should not date virgins 11 points12 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

In circles where the men have a little more going for themselves you'll actually find their standards are A LOT more rigid.

THIS!!! Rps on here are like "omg women have it so easy they can just get dudes if they want" when in reality it's no, they can get undesireable dudes.

[–]peteypete78 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is talking about dudes who are top %ers not your average joes.

As the women here like to say your league is determined by others not you so if you are chasing top %ers and are not one yourself its your fault.

[–]neolib-cowboy 17 points18 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

they can get undesireable dudes.

It's problematic though when women only rate the top 5% of men as desirable... like, you created that problem yourself.

[–]ChibsFilipTelforddMen should not date virgins 6 points7 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Well that's a bit crazy. It's not top 5% it's more like top 30%. And some women have a different top 30% than others.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

And some women have a different top 30% than others

no not really, and that's the main problem imo

[–]prettykit11 points [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

What counts as top 5%? Can you explicitly state what that means?

[–]StopTheIncelsOutside Yellow | Inside Red 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I can corroborate.

I'm a little older, and make much less than u/Gigamon2014. But based of his comment, he's a young (<25) guy who's circle seems to be 7+/10 SMV guys who are making 200k+ USD in a flexible non-rigid career (tech). These factors alone, statistically put him and his cohort in the top 5%, maybe even top 1-2%.

[–]lostwanderer28 5 points6 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

He said he and his two friends earn about 200k a year. That makes you top 5%.

Source: https://webtribunal.net/blog/american-households-that-make-over-200k/#gref

[–]Returnofthemack3Purple Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, most people aren't making as much money as the people he's referencing. That isn't even going into the height and the admittance that they're all good looking. Since when did reddit deny that chads have choices and standards ?

[–]resultsmatter1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But if he’s hot he’s worth a casual shag/shags. Just not bf material.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 10 points11 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

I know money and being tall makes men a catch to other men but nothing you described about these men makes them seem like good partners.

[–]Gigamon2014No Pill 18 points19 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Being an attractive woman doesn't make someone a better partner either but we all know highly attractive women are more likely to get more responses on any dating site. I'm not here to argue bullshit arbitrary nonsense with another delusional PPD woman. Height, resources, good looks, physical fitness are desirable to the opposite sex. Case closed.

Insane that someone is legit trying to argue that a tall/successful/educated man isnt seen as a catch...when every other fucking publication has women complaining about the shortage of successful and educated men.

[–]resultsmatter1 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They’re a catch, but resources, education, success are the cherry on top. He has to be attractive first for any of the other stuff to matter.

[–]laguaguadecarneBASED AF!!! 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Tall, successful, and educated don't mean much if a man isn't good looking, can't be a functional adult, be intellectual beyond the degrees, and be good in bed.

So many men put so much emphasis on their height and their bank accounts, and those two things don't mean much to me (if any).

[–]Gigamon2014No Pill 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah but...who cares about you?

[–]localmicrodosechamp -1 points0 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

To some people. Not to wholesome people.

[–]Gigamon2014No Pill 15 points16 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Oh and let me guess, you're one of these "wholesome" people right?

God, Redditors are such clowns.

[–]lostwanderer28 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I defend the view that women and men are both attracted to each other for either of four reasons:

  • looks
  • money
  • fame
  • faith

Three traits are more or less shallow.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

most men with money are shitty people, most good looking men are shitty people, most famous men have STDs.

I think spiritual could be a good quality in someone but there are also men (ex: Bill Gothard) who don't gaf about religion but are still hyper religious bc they've figured out they can use it to prey on people.

[–]lostwanderer28 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

who don't gaf about religion but are still hyper religious bc they've figured out they can use it to prey on people.

Agreed! These people who act alll religious but totally aren't are the worst of the bunch imho. With the other cases one at least knows what they are up to.

I am religious myself and really dislike those people who act religious but end up acting against the religious values they pretend to take serious.

[–]laguaguadecarneBASED AF!!! 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Exactly.

A man having money and being tall means shit to me if he's not overall good looking (especially face wise), good in the sack, be a fully functional adult (like myself), and can stimulate me intellectually.

I have my own sources of income (both active and passive) and all sorts of fringe benefits. A man should add a complement to my life, not solve it.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

exactly. plus so many men like that are shitty human beings. i literally used to swipe left on men i deemed too attractive bc i was trying not to waste time talking to assholes.

[–]laguaguadecarneBASED AF!!! 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I've been married for over a decade. I choose one who's an even looksmatch, but on my socio-economic level.

[–]neolib-cowboy 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

In circles where the men have a little more going for themselves you'll actually find their standards are A LOT more rigid.

"beggars can't be choosers" basically

[–]lostwanderer28 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]Pastakingfifth 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't like your disrespectful tone man. You're saying men that build value and can offer actual tangible benefits to a woman that's dating them are in abundance? You're crazy.

The more you complain on the internet about promiscuous women the more hot women you get, of course, let me pull up some stats that back that up.

[–]ririsbabyNo pill. I just like to argue 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes 100% agree

[–]dottywineA Normal Person 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the incel complaint is heightened by the fact that community actually praises and looks up to mass shooters

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you indicate your wealth to women

[–]HinduProphet 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

They still have the choice of becoming single mothers and indulging in bisexual/homosexual relationships, as they don't rely on men for starting a family, unlike men.

[–]Gigamon2014No Pill 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah except most women aren't homosexual or bisexual.

[–]HinduProphet 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sperms are cheap, abundant and given to free.

It's like they don't need men for reproduction anyways, so not many incentives for them to be heterosexual.

There are also evolutionary reasons for female bisexuality such as making polygamy easier and more young women are self identifying as biisexual.

[–]BigDino1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

How tall are you? How tall are the other two guys?

[–]jenaemare 43 points44 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

Obviously it was going to come to this.

Imagine spending time and money on body hair removal, makeup, underwear just to have some one pump chump use you as a flashlight for a few mins while having the expectation for you to act like a pornstar.

No wonder women are choosing vibrators over this.

[–]DreJ-X 43 points44 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

I thought women did all of this for themselves, not to look appealing to randos

[–]jenaemare 25 points26 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Yeah that's what they say but actually we do it because of social pressure and because we are treated like garbage if we dare to be unattractive in public.

[–]DreJ-X 14 points15 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Who is treating you like "garbage" for not wearing make up? I dont see a guy treating bad a women because she is not dressing a nice dress. Perhaps is because u get treated like most men, the invisible treatment

[–]jenaemare 23 points24 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Haha, I don't mean not wearing a nice dress. I mean completely being my natural self. Full on body hair, monobrow, no makeup. Let's see how well I'm being treated.

I wish I was treated as invisible. But men feel the need to let us know how unattractive / attractive they think we are and bully us in public if we're not up to par. I've been bullied at a public pool and in public transport for having hair on my legs as a female human.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Absolutely, when I see women without a Hollywood wax in public I let them know this is just garbage and I won't stand it.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I was bullied to depression for growing facial hair

[–]DreJ-X 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well dont know what to say to this. I was talking more about not wearing make up or dresssing in a different way.

[–]flash131313131 points [recovered] (20 children) | Copy Link

Imagine spending time and money on body hair removal, makeup, underwear

🤡🤡 just be confident bro

[–]jenaemare 13 points14 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Yeah sure just be confident if you're a man. If you're a woman you're trash if you dare not do all that stuff

[–]flash131313131 points [recovered] (18 children) | Copy Link

If you’re a woman you’re trash if you dare not do all that stuff

I thought y’all did that for yourselves?

[–]jenaemare 19 points20 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Lel no that's just a cope for women who haven't taken the pink pill

We've been socialized into thinking that. We do it because of social pressure

[–]DreJ-X 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought the same

[–]kokorwqac[S] 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I was bullied to depression for growing facial hair

[–]lostwanderer28 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine spending time and money on body hair removal, makeup, underwear just to have some one pump chump use you as a flashlight for a few mins while having the expectation for you to act like a pornstar.

Pure disappointment.

No wonder women are choosing vibrators over this.

Agreed.

[–]JumboJetz 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No one here really read the article but it looks like a huge driver is that women and men who are religious are increasingly not having sex. It’s the religious demographics driving up the percentages.

[–]Exciting-Necessary-5 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Imagine the game being so much in your favour and still losing 🤣

[–]Peacesquad 11 points12 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

It’s choice though so that’s the difference

[–]kokorwqac[S] 3 points4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

My questioning is why is it rising, not that it's voluntary or not

[–]Sea_Bar9334 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of it appears to be driven by declining marriage rates. Which also means less relationships in general, where most sex occurs. It has also risen among people who have never married by a smaller amount, which seems driven by religious people having less premarital sex according to the article.

[–]resultsmatter1 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because when a population competes for the same finite resource they all deem of the same value you can’t have everyone win. Instead of going for the next tier it looks like women are just opting out.

[–]Peacesquad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh ok. My bad

[–]NKC-ngoni 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's rising because they choose not to have sex. Dah.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lack of economically attractive men.

[–]ClaraBow01 -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It’s a choice for most men too.

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Very few. Let’s not be silly

[–]ClaraBow01 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Most men have sex, even young men.

[–]Peacesquad 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sweetheart you don’t know what you’re talking about.

[–]goatismycopilotcatladycatladycatlady&#128016;&#128016;&#128016;&#128016; 22 points23 points  (85 children) | Copy Link

The article says that the rise in seslessness in the US among unmarried Americans is mainly among religiously devout.

And it is not as big an issue for some women in contrast to men who I am told here directly like their self esteem and self worth on whether they bang women or not.

[–]amendment64No Pill 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Finally someone who actually read the article and not just the headline.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 10 points11 points  (57 children) | Copy Link

Yes. It’s a problem that men link their self esteem to sex.

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 15 points16 points  (53 children) | Copy Link

It's hard not to when sexually undesirable men are subject to ridicule and ostracization.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 2 points3 points  (52 children) | Copy Link

by other men

[–]RahLyt 7 points8 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I never heard on Reddit a man calling another man an Incel. Lol yesterday some random girl told me I'd never have a girl or something like that because I disagreed with her but sure it's all men's fault.

[–]Snoo-92685 2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Err, mostly women shame men by calling them incel lol

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 15 points16 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

JFL literal NPC-tier response. Sure, women never do anything bad. Keep living in your retarded fantasy land.

Men aren't the ones who always take jabs at dick sizes. Men aren't the ones who always accuse people they disagree with of being incels.

[–]daniiiuiiil 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Woman can’t POSSIBLY do anything wrong, no it’s Chad going and pressing the ugly dude up against a locker and calling him a fag like this is some 80s HS chick flick

[–]PrinceBagratoniPurple Pill Man -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or can they just really want sex and fulfilling relationships like any normal person?

[–]localmicrodosechamp 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yes that would be better

[–]Acaciduh 11 points12 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Do you think this is due to women on average having more personal relationships? Whether it be friends or families it seems women can get fulfillment and companionship type benefits without sex. While a lot of men have little to no personal relationships so they try to fill that void with sex and a relationship.

[–]goatismycopilotcatladycatladycatlady&#128016;&#128016;&#128016;&#128016; 14 points15 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

I doubt it is one factor. Normie women tend to invest a lot in family and friends. I don't think all men are shut in with no friends either. Bro type guys have their drinking buddies and sports buddies.

Things are tougher for young people economically they have less disposable income so they might be going out less. Everybody here makes six figures but that is not how things are in general.

Despite all the guys here talking about club thots I think people party, drink, and do fewer drugs than they did 20 or 30 years ago and being wasted was how a lot of casual sex happened.

People are more niche than they were years ago.

While women might whine about relationships and finding them they are mostly more ambivalent about casual sex so being sexless has less of an emotional impact if the rest of their lives are okay.

[–]Acaciduh 2 points3 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

True it’s just interesting that I find women can be content without a relationship or sex and men struggle with this so much more. I understand testosterone plays a big role but even as men age and their t-counts can be vastly lower where they are not a walking mess of hormones they still struggle with loneliness far higher than women do.

[–]ahillbilly97 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women know they can get laid anytime they want. Men have to prove it to themselves.

[–]CoffinEluder 4 points5 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Disagree. Men are accustomed to loneliness. On the other hand, women are far more social, so being lonely is pure misery for them.

[–]hhhhhhikkmvjjhj 13 points14 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

One thing I’ve seen mentioned here and there is that there are no longer rituals or journeys for boys to become men. As we have had deindustrialization in the west there are fewer jobs for young men. The army is not recruiting as much as they used to. College and university is more for women and with no income you stay with your parents into late 30s.

So there are no paths to adulthood except sex. So sex is like the last gate left. Later on starting a family still requires a woman so if you can’t find a girlfriend you will not be a dad which means you are not fully accepted as a male in society.

People will see you as pathetic and a failure. They might say other things but you won’t be invited to the same parties and be part of the same journey as your peers. Life becomes a wait for death to embrace you.

Sure you can argue that there are more things than human touch and being a parent to life but to most humans having a child is like peak humanity. Sex is the first step towards that.

The happiest day in my life was when I first ejculated for the first time as a teenager because I knew then I was on the path to become a dad. Now 25 years later I live with a sex doll, childless and sexless because I never socialized into sec and relationships when I was younger.

[–]Acaciduh 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But there are many men and women who don’t want children. Childless people by choice are on the rise and they live happy and fulfilling lives without ever having a need to procreate. I do understand that if you want a child not getting the chance to has to be painful regardless of sex but you can look into adoption or paying for surrogate. There are other options to become a parent without a significant other if it’s that important to you. I don’t feel men who are not dads are not fully accepted into society.

I do think men have a tougher time if they have no male influences and that can manifest into how they adapt socially however, it’s kind of on them to try and find a way to incrementally phase out of that mindset. Force themselves to socialize more, change their looks, etc.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Interesting I can see that.

I tend to think it’s classic scapegoating. For a lot of these men being dateless is the LEAST of their problems. Man young men are living at home longer. Dealing with stagnant wages, porn addictions, social anxieties. Instead of facing that which can feel insurmountable it’s easier to say well my life sucks because women won’t give me pussy, that’s why when these guys get girlfriends they don’t know what to do.

[–]Lyndell 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My friends don’t get the poison out.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They're not complaining about this because they do not care.

What they complained about is female moneylessness, that's how we got feminism.

[–]operapeachNo Pill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree that sexlessness has become sort of a norm in certain relationship configurations(mostly het ones where the woman marries for safety/money or can’t get into sex because the dude is so bad in the sack), but as a lesbian I will tell you I find it horribly unattractive if a woman sleeps around a lot outside of a relationship. It doesn’t mean a woman is sexually in touch with herself if she does this, it means she’s searching for something she can’t find (in herself or in other people) unsuccessfully. This type of woman has a hard time bonding to others and self-soothing(because I will tell you that 9/10 times a woman is not getting anything pleasurable from a casual sex encounter), has poor self control, poor self worth, doesn’t really know what she wants in a partner, etc.

Women like me who only desire sex within a relationship with someone I love, am attracted to, and have chemistry with are severely put off by behavior like this and will run in the opposite direction of it.

I am always dtf in terms of libido, but I am discerning enough not to act on these urges with any old person, especially not with someone I am not even attracted to on a basic level. Men are not and will fuck anything. It is definitely abnormal if a woman sleeps with a lot of people; it’s not abnormal if she has a sex drive and doesn’t act on it.

I’m not sure why this is surprising to people because women are more discerning in most other areas of life too.

It’s better for me to have a guaranteed orgasm on my terms in the comfort of my own home than it is to have shitty sex with a stranger I don’t even like.

[–]ToHelp3897 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well it makes sense does it.

The bottom 80% of women are competing for the top 20% of men.

If the population is split 50/50 between men and women, and if women aren't willing to date their looksmatch, than the logical conclusion is that women who can't get with the top 20% are gonna be celibate.

[–]63daddy 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It takes two to tango.

Many articles over the past few years have indicated more men are deciding not to date, have sex or marry, concluding it’s not to their advantage. This means less dating and sex for women as well. More college men are avoiding sex due to title ix concerns as well.

Add to that society is hypergamous. Women want to date up but with education now focusing on girls, fewer men are going to college making hypergamy unsustainable. Many articles have addressed how more and more women feel there’s no good men out there for them to date.

It’s too bad the article completely omits how changing circumstances for men impacts women’s dating and sex life.

[–]Cat_Lover259 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t really see this as a problem 🤷‍♀️

[–]uwpxwpal 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There's just a lot more unattractive people now. /s

[–]Boddhisavant 11 points12 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I mean obesity has risen precipitously

[–]uwpxwpal 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True, no I have no idea how the obesity rate had changed for people under 35. I'm not too interested in researching that either.

[–]resultsmatter1 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

But it’s in both sexes. You know what I don’t remember in high school and college? Girls who were even the slightest bit chubby showing midriff in public. Now it’s normalized. The yas qween movement has won because men are too stupid to respond in kind.

[–]rurunoa 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

what are men supposed to respond lol its none of their business

[–]dottywineA Normal Person 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual liberation was back in the 70s. We're now more educated about the risks. So not surprising.

[–]AquaChipChad Catcher 8 points9 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yea everyone is have less sex then the generation before them. Casual sex is not the problem.

[–]Vigeto619 11 points12 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Some people are having a fucking ton tho

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

And some people get rich in a recession. There are always outliers.

[–]Vigeto619 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Recession is the easiest time to get rich

[–]Sea_Bar9334 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It’s the best time for people who are already rich to get even richer, but most people aren’t going to have a bunch of money to invest in the middle of a recession.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Summer's the easiest time to build a snowman.

[–]AidsVictim 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Casual sex is not the problem.

If casual sex/sex early on is now the expectation (real or perceived) then standards will rise (on womens side) to only "date" men who are attractive enough to meet the cut off for casual sex. It has the effect of reducing sociability as people are less willing to date (that is spend social-romantic time together for an extended period) in a world where casual sex is idealized/standardized by the culture.

[–]Laytheblameonluck 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How do you know casual sex isn't the problem?

[–]jackedsoon||| 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

so what? its not a problem for them many are content w being sexless if it means they dont fuck an ugly gross guy

[–]kokorwqac[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I'm asking why is it rising, not that it's good, bad or whatever

Also explain why most dudes on incel forums are white if your flair is true, people gaslight whitecels too much

[–]jackedsoon||| 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

because theyre mentally ill people

[–]kokorwqac[S] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Mentally ill women aren't having sex?

[–]jackedsoon||| 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

the 'white incels' on those forums are mentally ill

[–]Obvious-Rise9199 6 points7 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

As someone who was doing a lot of casual dating after divorce...

I can't tell you how many woman who said "I'm not like that" was actually "like that". The study might be more believable if it was "less woman admitting to...".

[–]kokorwqac[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Why would less women admit to it in 2022 than 1989 despite the rising feminism?

[–]Obvious-Rise9199 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is not the social stigma of being a slut. It is the social stigma of somehow the men are winning. Again, no study whatsoever, just observed casual behavior of being a medium sized fish in a small pool and dating a lot...

[–]Head-Language-2977 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Did you need to use ambiguous language with them? I’ve been on a lot of Tinder dates with girls who talk like that, and I’m 0/14 with trying to hookup with them. They seem to stick to their guns with me when I talk straight with them. They also tell me men lie all the time about wanting an LTR, so I assume they say no hookups to deter the liars.

[–]noogoona 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

They seem to stick to their guns with me when I talk straight with them.

They dont want to talk straight about it. If you set the mood right and they are feeling horny, they will fuck, but sitting down and having a fucking "straight talk" about hooking up with a girl you're on a first with is gonna dry up a pussy.

They want to feel like its passionate, spontaneous love making

[–]Obvious-Rise9199 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pre-qualify for your kinks via banter on OLD as well as personality. Then save your time and drink money for when in person.

More often than not, it is not going to work out and that is ok. It is a total numbers game. Life is short. Don't waste time if there is not a minimum bar of attraction or you can already tell this person would annoy you if you spent a weekend away with them.

[–]Obvious-Rise9199 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I was never straight talk about hooking up. I was a "open to all possibilities" which was the absolute truth. I had a few different relationships, from a few hours / weeks / months to almost a year over 8 years. Out of the game a year now with one I dated a year before we got serious, but I still have some great stories and strong thoughts on the subject.

[–]Obvious-Rise9199 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I always the truth - "I am not too seriously looking to get serious with someone not so serious". I always said assume we are both casually dating others unless there is a serious conversation. But if I find someone and it gets serious, I'll let you know about it.

I am by no means a Chad, just some wit, charm, a few good stories and fairly specificly seeking out woman with certain kinks. I'm off the OLD now - I casually dated my current partner for a year before we got serious and I let the others know.

[–]StolenDiscs 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I want to to a point, I love my boyfriend and want to connect badly and be intimate, but I’m always so tired and in so much pain from working, and when I have days off he doesn’t and vice versa. I hate the times we live in.

[–]nothatyoucare 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So why is it that the washington post ALSO uses the General Social Survey for its data but shows that the rate of sexlessness stays about the same for women?

For most of the past three decades, 20-something men and women reported similar rates of sexlessness. But that has changed in recent years. Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/

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[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Someone i know had a friend who still slayed despite critically low t levels

He had a good looking face

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It jumped up between 2018 and 2021. I think it's pandemic-related.

[–]JoeRMD77 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is what I've been thinking for a while now. Not only are men sitting at home lonely, but a lot of women are too.

[–]Icy_Rub1839 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Probably due to many having completely unrealistic standards and a much lower sex drive.

[–]RedditorSafeSpace 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Go outside and look around and you’ll figure out why real quick.

[–]Best_Illustrator_137 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’d say it’s getting outta hand, had been talking to a girl who used face filters all the time on snap..smh I was trynna hit crusty the clown 😂

[–]RandomRedditGuy322Half My Posts Get Removed by the Jannies Pilled 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The graph in the post you shared showed that they didn't have sex in the past year.

When men ask a 33 year old woman her body count, they can't simply answer 0 just because they have been celibate since they were 32. They could have 100+ bodies on them but they became old and disgusting so no one wants them anymore.

If you want to look at a useful figure, ask the same question but for lifetime amounts, not past year.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I would disagree, 32 year old women don't look as old as 32 year old women of the past.

And old couples do also have sex

[–]RandomRedditGuy322Half My Posts Get Removed by the Jannies Pilled 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It doesnt matter how old she looks, what I said is still true. Ultimately speaking even if you choose to go celibate and stop having sex, your count is still your count. What you did in your younger years follows you forever. It doesnt just stop after 1 year passes.

[–]LivePossible 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Realistically speaking, how does one’s body count follow them forever? I can’t remember the last time a man even asked me that question.

[–]Professional_Gold_25 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is illiteracy now more rampant in our society than sexlessness?? And is proofreading really that difficult??

[–]Aggressive-Pride-458 -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

This is cap no way are women going without sex

[–]kokorwqac[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would they tell the truth in 1989, but lie in 2021 where it's actually less shameful to admit it?

[–]rurunoa 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yes we are

[–]kvakerokNo Pill "Chadlite" 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

My theory would be that since the majority had started to compete for the most attractive men online, with this abundance of perspective partners these men are finally becoming more selective and starting to unmatch the 50th-75th percentiles, who in turn are facing the dilemma of either be doomed to a cat-rich completely sexless life or dye their hair some atrocious colour and become a feminist/FDS member.

[–]LivePossible 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Have you considered that most women who do not engage in casual sex also don’t use online dating at all, or are very selective and how they use them?

[–]kvakerokNo Pill "Chadlite" 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Have you considered that most women who do not engage in casual sex

Wherever did I mention anything about casual sex anywhere in the post?

don’t use online dating at all

A verifiably false statement. According to the latest stats over 20% of couples today have gotten together through online dating, meaning the number of those trying it is even higher than that. And once you remove the technologically challenged 40+ yr olds from the sample pool (as unable to online date even if they wanted to), the percentage is going to be way over half.

or are very selective and how they use them

And that means what exactly and does it actually counter anything I've stated? It's not like I'm advocating for anything. I couldn't care less if these women stay celibate for the rest of their lives. I honestly don't care how you are going to name the cluster of factors that results in them being the unmatched 50th percentile. I'm not passing a value judgement, I'm just stating that they've attempted chasing high-percentile men and failed. Question is what they're going to do after that: 1. FDS. 2. Feminism. 3. r/nicegirls 4. ???

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[–]PlainTundra 6 points7 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

Top20%s don't have unlimited time and trying a sub80% is not an option hence the rise.

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 2 points3 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

What?

[–]Gigamon2014No Pill 7 points8 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

We may laugh at redpillers about 20/80 but it makes no sense to. Basically women want thetop 20% of men. And so they should, they're no longer reliant on men for economic reasons and in many metropolitan areas they outearn men under 30. Of course these women are going to have higher standards for the guy they date. But more desirable dudes often have multiple women to choose from. Any woman who isnt interested in being pumped and dumped is largely going to sit out dating altogether. Its already happening.

I would say in America, the ideal man is college educated, white, earning $60k+ and is 6ft+. There are fewer and fewer of these men to go around.

[–]kokorwqac[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Being white is a bigger boost for women than it is for men these days ngl

And , most women can't tell the diff between 5'10 and 6 ft

[–]neolib-cowboy 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

ideal man is college educated

40% of men

white

60% of men

earning $60k+

Half of men, though many non-college men can make more than this via trades, would you disqualified a blue collar guy who made more than $60k if he didn't go to college?

6ft+

14.5% of men.

Honestly these aren't bad standards tbh, at least the income isn't something way out of the ordinary like $100k or more (16% of men). The only thing I would say is consider 5'11 and 5'10 dudes and that opens up many more options, since "college" and "over $60k" is already a very large number of guys. Those 5'11 and 5'10 dudes are going to be taller than you, and height really has no effect on the quality of the relationship. 5'10 dudes can be just as loving and emotionally fufilling as 6ft+ guys

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill -2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Drop the 6 foot thing and any dude with a decent degree should be there.

[–]EnglishPaulson 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women aren’t “sexless”, women don’t want it in the first place.

Women don’t have sex drives. Look at the responses in here. Women want all the privileges of the GF, but not the horrors of having sex since men are gross.

Women only get in relationships for money anyway. As long g as they get paid, sex is just gross to them.

Of course, this is all assuming women are telling the truth on these surveys, which they are not.

[–]throwaway3089547No Pill -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Something, something, something, Chad or bust.

[–]Ganajin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I see this as a good thing.

[–]AbbreviationsHot1200 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its the rise of alpha widows

[–]NiceGuyNumber4 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

2021? COVID.

Women take less risks and are more likely to follow social expectations (like wearing masks, quarantining themselves, etc.)

Cherry picked bullshit.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah this is really good news actually, it so cool in our hypersexual society we are seeing less sexual activity which again is based. This could show how hedonism isn't compatible with human psychology and that we earn for something meaningful dare I say humans are eudaimonic rather than hedonistic.

The decoupling of sex from romance has negative consequences. By alienating sex from relationship you are alienating pleasure from self in my opinion. In my opinion how humans enjoy pleasure has to do with things other than object of pleasure. I enjoy Mario games beyond it's mechanics, I enjoy it for the emotions it makes me feel, nostalgia, imagination behind game design, the memories I had playing with with my beloved brother and friends. You are saying I should isolate the game mechanics from all that in order to really enjoy the game mechanics.

On another note the fact women are having less sex is important because bunch women's article and pop feminism is encouraging women to have how phases and engage in casual sex to be empowered. Have you noticed articles and people online from every gender saying that rance feels like a prison, something that drains you, something that harms you as free individual. Bot MGTOW and certain parts of feminism speaks to that both explicitly or implicitly through dog whistle. This isn't a war between men vs women this is a war between romantics as a political philosophy and the anti romantic narrative that is a reaction to modern toxic relationships couples with hedonism being presented as a cure for all. "Don't change your conditions, instead take drugs and have emotionless sex to ignore your problems" this narrative is no being pushed onto women with full force and watching them fail like this brings tears joy to this romantic lol. Anyway this is all my opinion, I say this because people will come after me if I don't but they will still regardless so idk.

[–]Obvious-Rise9199 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some woman have selective memories about what they'd do for compliments, drinks and dinner. "Oh that one doesn't count..."

[–]MembershipPlus2082 -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

[–]kokorwqac[S] 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Men are obese too

[–]MembershipPlus2082 -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

True, but I believe the reasons for sexless women are different.

Most women are can find casual sex easily, unless they are obese. Most guys will not date, even casually, an obese woman.

If you're an obese woman, you're automatically become a 3 or below. This pushes you outside the casual dating world

[–]laguaguadecarneBASED AF!!! 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

[–]noogoona 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That's bullshit sorry. BMIs are going up because weights are going up. BMI is not flawless but you cant deny that weights are going up

[–]MembershipPlus2082 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I invite you to open a man bumble account in the midwest and start swiping. You’re not going to see any grains of sand, but alot of mountains of gravy and cheese

[–]JumboJetz -1 points0 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

The proliferation of antidepressants and hormonal birth control is definitely a large effect of this.

I once even brought up in this sub how women should start demanding better from pharma companies and the response from women was “fuck off - women don’t care about sex you moron”. Like women see the artificial chemical suppression of their sex drive as a wonderful thing apparently.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 3 points4 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Why is it a bad thing? Because it hinders someone’s nut?

[–]JumboJetz -1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Exhibit A lol

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Funny. It’s almost as if, if you explained it you’d have to admit you wanted access to pussy and didn’t want anything getting in the way of that.

Yeah much better to ignore the question.

[–]JumboJetz1 points [recovered] (15 children) | Copy Link

Ummm why is it a bad thing to chemically alter a basic part of one’s biology?

In any case, don’t worry. I think it’s great for your sex drive to be suppressed specifically.

[–]damageddude -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

My son and his GF are Gen-Z. They have been together since freshman year in college over 2.5 years ago. My son and I don’t discuss their sex life but their relationship is definitely exclusive.

[–]Holiday-Reach-8948 -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I’m new to this sub. It’s seems like most posts put men in one bucket and women in another. It’s a bit more pronounced in this thread. Black and white with very little grey and I wonder why that is. Granted, I’m older (42f) and happily married 20+ years. Have things changed THAT much? Is this really how it is now? If so, that really saddens

[–]JumboJetz 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Basically, online dating happened and meant that both genders now compete with everyone in their city vs. Just everyone in their neighbourhood or the local bar/club.

Women now get paralyzed by having too much choice. Men now barely can stand out from the crowd.

[–]Holiday-Reach-8948 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Here’s an example - this notion that the majority of women only care about how much money the man makes or spends on her. Here’s why I call bullshit: I work at a university. We know that for the past almost 10 years, women have graduated with a degree of their choice and gone on to be successful in their career/field at much larger rates than their male counterparts (and this number continues to increase). The gap is so large that many universities are scrambling to try to close it.

Additionally, the rate in which males are staying home while their female partner works continues to increase. The generic idea that women will stay home to home make and care for children while the male work has become almost uncommon.

I’m sure online dating has been more hurtful than helpful in many aspects. I think one of the bigger issues is people in general have become a bit less caring - especially online. I can only imagine that carries over into the dating apps. And a large number of people seem to crave instant gratification. Once things level out, like a new relationship for example, they’re ready to abort and feel… I guess excited again??

I don’t know… it’s probably too early for me to be writing all this - I just woke up and I’m waiting on the coffee to brew. I have two young boys, so that’s why I sort of have a personal interest here.

[–]JumboJetz 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I’m not even joking, when your sons are in their 20s they will have less success on a dating app then you would as their (most likely 50+ year old mother) if you joined a dating app. The market is that messed up that young men at the peak of their physical attractiveness, at their sexual peak, won’t be as desireable as an elderly woman.

[–]Holiday-Reach-8948 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In 42, but 50 is quickly approaching!

I have to ask then, why use dating apps at all???

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the past decade or so men have opted out of going to school for women that choose them second. Add on top universities are largely liberated places now, most central or right winged men have begun checking out

[–]gopherish -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This just in: Don’t care

And not in a “I don’t care about this topic” way, I mean in a “you made your bed, now you have to lie in it” way.

[–]xzpwMoneypilled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Repost...

Also - the number of people polled here is incredibly small. There's just not enough to really extrapolate to the entire USA. Like one person saying yes/no to a question increases the stats by a huge amount. It's more wild that sexless among men went down during the pandemic. That makes no fucking sense and runs counter to everything we've heard.

[–]beleidigtewurst 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course, doh.

OLD and feminism.

Check this out: Sex Insanity Amongst Early Feminists - The Fiamengo File 2.0

[–]laguaguadecarneBASED AF!!! 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

White, Euro-centric feminism.

[–]bob-object 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Doubt

[–]kokorwqac[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Stats

[–]jayval90PUAs are Blue Pilled 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

quite surprising with the rise of sexual liberation, OLD and feminism.

That happened in the late 1960s and 1970s, which is before the timeline listed in your description (1989-2021). We had already crested by 1989 in that respect. It's not surprising to see it fall off the high.

[–]I-IV-V-ii-V-I 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’d assume people spend less time face to face and more time doing what we are doing right now.

[–]Abstract_KnightExaggeration of misanthropy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Idk why but this kinda reminds me of the universe 25.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not that surprising seeing how much more isolated and alone people all over the developed world have become. That's the primary reason for the rise in sexlessness for both genders IMO.

[–]Harlekin97 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Houellebecq got everything right

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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