Study: female sexlessness is also rising:

AidsVictim · 2022-07-28T15:03:46+00:00

A hyper sexualized society has the ironic effect of making many people more asocial/asexual. More fundamentally society is producing people that are asocial to begin with - sexuality being muted is just a side effect of that (along with all the other problems people have with modern sex/relationships).

prettykit1 · 2022-07-28T16:17:45+00:00

I don't believe in casual sex. I haven't met the person I want to settle down with yet, so I'm not out there having sex with anyone. If I'm seeing someone new and see serious potential, that's when I'd consider taking it to that level once the trust is there and the exclusivity piece is there. Otherwise, I'm a bit sexually frustrated hahah. It sucks.

But this doesn't surprise me I guess? Although I do think it's bad for all people if we're not doing something so natural to us.

pop442 · 2022-07-28T19:10:58+00:00

Not surprised. I was surprised to find that a number of highly educated/career oriented 20 something women I've encountered have told me how they never had a boyfriend or they haven't been in a relationship for years. These were decent looking women too.

I think people are becoming more and more consumed with their jobs and trying to make ends meet to live the "Sex In The City" lifestyle on both sides and the costs of raising a child today are so astronomical that it can serve as a deterrent to constantly have casual sex.

MasterTeacher123 · 2022-07-28T12:42:34+00:00

I think the thought process for many women is

My finger/Vibrator>>>Some dude I’m meh about being on top of me for 4 minutes of pumps lol

scwizard · 2022-07-28T15:59:19+00:00

Hormonal birth control is hardly doing wonders for women's sex drive. Hormonal IUDs are way up over the past few decades.

Who could have guessed that an implant that prevents you from ovulating would lower your sex drive.

rn7889 · 2022-07-28T20:40:40+00:00

I’ll offer some thought. Aimless scrolling for hours is depleting our dopamine so we have no desire to get it elsewhere.

throwawaytouchscreen · 2022-07-28T20:41:54+00:00

Men thinking women define our attractiveness and value from getting casual sex. Perhaps hypersexual girls with no strings attached. But women who desire intellectual/spiritual connections don't care about meaningless sex.

pearllovespink · 2022-07-28T23:38:58+00:00

Why should women have sex with men who don't appreciate us? The one thing I'll give the self love and body positive movement is influencing women to love themselves.

sarkington · 2022-07-28T12:41:47+00:00

Old news

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/ts0nyh/women_are_having_less_sex_than_men_as_of_2021/

https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/suxt2k/diving_into_the_2021_gss_data_on_the_amount_of/

AcanthocephalaNew947 · 2022-07-28T17:04:15+00:00

Right!

Like newsflash anyone can date down with ease. I just saw a comment yesterday where the guy was like just because I have acne and am 5’6 nothing but fat bitches want me it’s disgusting and it’s like so there ya go you can date you just don’t want the women available to you! Then it turned into ohhhh it’s cause hypergamy that women in my league won’t date me, as if you get to choose your league! Your league is chosen for you. Good looking to even average looking men with their shit together are few and far between, they don’t have any issues dating and they’re picky.

Ugly Jimbo who still lives at home, works at the piggly wiggly, and has a porn addiction thinks if he works out for a month he’s at the same level so he blames hypergamy. Yet you don’t see them settling for big Bertha.

apple120 · 2022-07-29T08:55:32+00:00

Also social media is showing a totally unattainable body. It’s mostly anorexia with implants… & men are more and more addicted to this due to trafficking videos.. I mean porn. so women just give up & do it by themselves instead

Laytheblameonluck · 2022-07-28T13:48:19+00:00

I think what's going on though is women are having a worse time with sex than in previous decades.

thesoloronin · 2022-07-28T16:31:34+00:00

Sure there are femcels who want relationships and can’t find them but I think the other commenters on this thread are right in that a lot of it isn’t inability to find a relationship, they just don’t want or need one.

We make up the majority of college graduates, pretty much all fields allow women and most that are male dominated have some kind of affirmative action including my own so those aren’t hard to break into either. A woman can completely support herself independently and doesn’t really have a need to be in a marriage or relationship for security or finances at all anymore.

It’s pretty much entirely because they actually genuinely enjoy the sex or spending time with the guy unless they are actively trying to have children. But the birth rate in highly developed western countries is also declining and a lot of women are choosing not to do that anymore (not a bad thing considering the ecological state of the world).

This is not surprising to me.

sl3epsfortheweak · 2022-07-28T19:07:05+00:00

t it's easier for women not to have sex than men as in choosing to be alone

ChibsFilipTelfordd · 2022-07-28T15:43:30+00:00

https://ifstudies.org/ifs-admin/resources/figure3-39-w640.png

Very interesting to note that although a bunch of RPs try and say that sexlessness among men is an issue, it's specifically sexlessness among never married men who think pre marital sex is wrong

NKC-ngoni · 2022-07-28T15:00:52+00:00

By choice lmao.

fdthbfdghj · 2022-07-29T02:55:16+00:00

I see so many men in the comments trying to explain why this is lol. It’s because when the opposite gender is socialized to see you as an object, whether that’s for a long term or short term relationship, it permeates every aspect of your interactions. No I don’t want to have casual sex with someone who doesn’t care about me. I don’t want a relationship with a man who only cares about my appearance and would trade me in for a better looking model if he could.

Men in this sub don’t believe women say no to casual sex because they can’t imagine doing it themselves, and honestly it really just shows this mentality.

Gigamon2014 · 2022-07-28T13:02:41+00:00

Yep.

I see it both online and in real life.

And what blows my mind is the endless complaints from bluepillers about incels when, judging by some of the topical choices, there are just as many pornsick, inexperienced women on here too. A lot of virgins, FDS femcels, and "I've only had one boyfriend and he's a furry" types on here

Yes, women's standards for sex have gotten higher. But men's standards for relationships are higher too. I graduated eith 3 other dudes. All of whom are more than decent looking. One is in his early twenties, studying his masters but he's already been locked down by a pretty 18 year old who seems to be holding on for dear life. The second is another guy like me who earns about $200k in cloud computing. He routinely dates stunners on Tinder but has stopped dating due to a fear he has of golddiggers. The third guy I don't chat to as much, he's even taller than me (6ft6) and got married two years ago. His girl (pretty chick who works in luxury retail) locked him down as fast as she could. He currently works for a big global 500 company and a cyber security specialist. I'm in good shape and work in cloud computing and clear anything from 200-350k each year. I've not been single for a while.

Among all of us, not a single fat/overweight chick and not a single girl below a 7/10. A lot more women are struggling because a lot of them don't want to put out without commitment...problem is their increased standards mean a lot of them are chasing after "better" guys who won't commit as easily. And thus you have a cycle which sees more and more women simply not dating period.

Only on Reddit is there this assumption than a man can't have any standards for the women they're with. Everyone here claims being overweight, promiscuous, unkempt or possessing extreme political views isn't a deal breaker for a woman. I mean, yeah if you're dealing with a bunch of incels and Internet nerds. In circles where the men have a little more going for themselves you'll actually find their standards are A LOT more rigid.

jenaemare · 2022-07-28T14:15:33+00:00

Obviously it was going to come to this.

Imagine spending time and money on body hair removal, makeup, underwear just to have some one pump chump use you as a flashlight for a few mins while having the expectation for you to act like a pornstar.

No wonder women are choosing vibrators over this.

JumboJetz · 2022-07-29T05:10:34+00:00

No one here really read the article but it looks like a huge driver is that women and men who are religious are increasingly not having sex. It’s the religious demographics driving up the percentages.

Exciting-Necessary-5 · 2022-07-29T12:00:51+00:00

Imagine the game being so much in your favour and still losing 🤣

Peacesquad · 2022-07-28T14:34:34+00:00

It’s choice though so that’s the difference

goatismycopilot · 2022-07-28T13:04:28+00:00

The article says that the rise in seslessness in the US among unmarried Americans is mainly among religiously devout.

And it is not as big an issue for some women in contrast to men who I am told here directly like their self esteem and self worth on whether they bang women or not.

Eastuss · 2022-07-28T13:02:46+00:00

They're not complaining about this because they do not care.

What they complained about is female moneylessness, that's how we got feminism.

operapeach · 2022-07-29T00:40:22+00:00

I agree that sexlessness has become sort of a norm in certain relationship configurations(mostly het ones where the woman marries for safety/money or can’t get into sex because the dude is so bad in the sack), but as a lesbian I will tell you I find it horribly unattractive if a woman sleeps around a lot outside of a relationship. It doesn’t mean a woman is sexually in touch with herself if she does this, it means she’s searching for something she can’t find (in herself or in other people) unsuccessfully. This type of woman has a hard time bonding to others and self-soothing(because I will tell you that 9/10 times a woman is not getting anything pleasurable from a casual sex encounter), has poor self control, poor self worth, doesn’t really know what she wants in a partner, etc.

Women like me who only desire sex within a relationship with someone I love, am attracted to, and have chemistry with are severely put off by behavior like this and will run in the opposite direction of it.

I am always dtf in terms of libido, but I am discerning enough not to act on these urges with any old person, especially not with someone I am not even attracted to on a basic level. Men are not and will fuck anything. It is definitely abnormal if a woman sleeps with a lot of people; it’s not abnormal if she has a sex drive and doesn’t act on it.

I’m not sure why this is surprising to people because women are more discerning in most other areas of life too.

It’s better for me to have a guaranteed orgasm on my terms in the comfort of my own home than it is to have shitty sex with a stranger I don’t even like.

ToHelp3897 · 2022-07-30T02:19:07+00:00

Well it makes sense does it.

The bottom 80% of women are competing for the top 20% of men.

If the population is split 50/50 between men and women, and if women aren't willing to date their looksmatch, than the logical conclusion is that women who can't get with the top 20% are gonna be celibate.

63daddy · 2022-08-01T11:24:00+00:00

It takes two to tango.

Many articles over the past few years have indicated more men are deciding not to date, have sex or marry, concluding it’s not to their advantage. This means less dating and sex for women as well. More college men are avoiding sex due to title ix concerns as well.

Add to that society is hypergamous. Women want to date up but with education now focusing on girls, fewer men are going to college making hypergamy unsustainable. Many articles have addressed how more and more women feel there’s no good men out there for them to date.

It’s too bad the article completely omits how changing circumstances for men impacts women’s dating and sex life.

Cat_Lover259 · 2022-07-28T13:11:04+00:00

I don’t really see this as a problem 🤷‍♀️

uwpxwpal · 2022-07-28T15:17:11+00:00

There's just a lot more unattractive people now. /s

dottywine · 2022-07-28T18:23:04+00:00

Sexual liberation was back in the 70s. We're now more educated about the risks. So not surprising.

AquaChip · 2022-07-28T13:03:54+00:00

Yea everyone is have less sex then the generation before them. Casual sex is not the problem.

jackedsoon · 2022-07-28T15:17:55+00:00

so what? its not a problem for them many are content w being sexless if it means they dont fuck an ugly gross guy

Obvious-Rise9199 · 2022-07-28T20:44:30+00:00

As someone who was doing a lot of casual dating after divorce...

I can't tell you how many woman who said "I'm not like that" was actually "like that". The study might be more believable if it was "less woman admitting to...".

StolenDiscs · 2022-07-28T14:44:49+00:00

I want to to a point, I love my boyfriend and want to connect badly and be intimate, but I’m always so tired and in so much pain from working, and when I have days off he doesn’t and vice versa. I hate the times we live in.

nothatyoucare · 2022-07-28T15:40:14+00:00

So why is it that the washington post ALSO uses the General Social Survey for its data but shows that the rate of sexlessness stays about the same for women?

For most of the past three decades, 20-something men and women reported similar rates of sexlessness. But that has changed in recent years. Since 2008, the share of men younger than 30 reporting no sex has nearly tripled, to 28 percent. That’s a much steeper increase than the 8 percentage point increase reported among their female peers.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/03/29/share-americans-not-having-sex-has-reached-record-high/

kokorwqac · 2022-07-28T23:12:56+00:00

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johnny_is_home · 2022-07-28T16:32:57+00:00

It jumped up between 2018 and 2021. I think it's pandemic-related.

JoeRMD77 · 2022-07-29T14:29:19+00:00

This is what I've been thinking for a while now. Not only are men sitting at home lonely, but a lot of women are too.

Icy_Rub1839 · 2022-07-30T21:39:34+00:00

Probably due to many having completely unrealistic standards and a much lower sex drive.

RedditorSafeSpace · 2022-07-28T17:32:12+00:00

Go outside and look around and you’ll figure out why real quick.

Best_Illustrator_137 · 2022-07-28T18:22:07+00:00

I’d say it’s getting outta hand, had been talking to a girl who used face filters all the time on snap..smh I was trynna hit crusty the clown 😂

RandomRedditGuy322 · 2022-07-28T13:48:32+00:00

The graph in the post you shared showed that they didn't have sex in the past year.

When men ask a 33 year old woman her body count, they can't simply answer 0 just because they have been celibate since they were 32. They could have 100+ bodies on them but they became old and disgusting so no one wants them anymore.

If you want to look at a useful figure, ask the same question but for lifetime amounts, not past year.

Professional_Gold_25 · 2022-07-28T23:51:33+00:00

Is illiteracy now more rampant in our society than sexlessness?? And is proofreading really that difficult??

Aggressive-Pride-458 · 2022-07-28T22:11:33+00:00

This is cap no way are women going without sex

kvakerok · 2022-07-28T16:40:40+00:00

My theory would be that since the majority had started to compete for the most attractive men online, with this abundance of perspective partners these men are finally becoming more selective and starting to unmatch the 50th-75th percentiles, who in turn are facing the dilemma of either be doomed to a cat-rich completely sexless life or dye their hair some atrocious colour and become a feminist/FDS member.

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Ganajin · 2022-07-28T14:56:19+00:00

I see this as a good thing.

AbbreviationsHot1200 · 2022-07-28T20:30:52+00:00

Its the rise of alpha widows

NiceGuyNumber4 · 2022-07-29T02:36:37+00:00

2021? COVID.

Women take less risks and are more likely to follow social expectations (like wearing masks, quarantining themselves, etc.)

Cherry picked bullshit.

2022-07-29T02:50:29+00:00

Yeah this is really good news actually, it so cool in our hypersexual society we are seeing less sexual activity which again is based. This could show how hedonism isn't compatible with human psychology and that we earn for something meaningful dare I say humans are eudaimonic rather than hedonistic.

The decoupling of sex from romance has negative consequences. By alienating sex from relationship you are alienating pleasure from self in my opinion. In my opinion how humans enjoy pleasure has to do with things other than object of pleasure. I enjoy Mario games beyond it's mechanics, I enjoy it for the emotions it makes me feel, nostalgia, imagination behind game design, the memories I had playing with with my beloved brother and friends. You are saying I should isolate the game mechanics from all that in order to really enjoy the game mechanics.

On another note the fact women are having less sex is important because bunch women's article and pop feminism is encouraging women to have how phases and engage in casual sex to be empowered. Have you noticed articles and people online from every gender saying that rance feels like a prison, something that drains you, something that harms you as free individual. Bot MGTOW and certain parts of feminism speaks to that both explicitly or implicitly through dog whistle. This isn't a war between men vs women this is a war between romantics as a political philosophy and the anti romantic narrative that is a reaction to modern toxic relationships couples with hedonism being presented as a cure for all. "Don't change your conditions, instead take drugs and have emotionless sex to ignore your problems" this narrative is no being pushed onto women with full force and watching them fail like this brings tears joy to this romantic lol. Anyway this is all my opinion, I say this because people will come after me if I don't but they will still regardless so idk.

Obvious-Rise9199 · 2022-07-28T20:45:50+00:00

Some woman have selective memories about what they'd do for compliments, drinks and dinner. "Oh that one doesn't count..."

MembershipPlus2082 · 2022-07-28T20:30:12+00:00

1:1 correlation with obesity rates of adult females

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obesity_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Adult_female_obesity_in_the_United_States.svg

JumboJetz · 2022-07-28T20:37:01+00:00

The proliferation of antidepressants and hormonal birth control is definitely a large effect of this.

I once even brought up in this sub how women should start demanding better from pharma companies and the response from women was “fuck off - women don’t care about sex you moron”. Like women see the artificial chemical suppression of their sex drive as a wonderful thing apparently.

damageddude · 2022-07-29T02:24:56+00:00

My son and his GF are Gen-Z. They have been together since freshman year in college over 2.5 years ago. My son and I don’t discuss their sex life but their relationship is definitely exclusive.

Holiday-Reach-8948 · 2022-07-29T02:31:05+00:00

I’m new to this sub. It’s seems like most posts put men in one bucket and women in another. It’s a bit more pronounced in this thread. Black and white with very little grey and I wonder why that is. Granted, I’m older (42f) and happily married 20+ years. Have things changed THAT much? Is this really how it is now? If so, that really saddens

gopherish · 2022-07-29T05:59:45+00:00

This just in: Don’t care

And not in a “I don’t care about this topic” way, I mean in a “you made your bed, now you have to lie in it” way.

xzpw · 2022-07-28T15:53:04+00:00

Repost...

Also - the number of people polled here is incredibly small. There's just not enough to really extrapolate to the entire USA. Like one person saying yes/no to a question increases the stats by a huge amount. It's more wild that sexless among men went down during the pandemic. That makes no fucking sense and runs counter to everything we've heard.

beleidigtewurst · 2022-07-28T17:19:14+00:00

Of course, doh.

OLD and feminism.

Check this out: Sex Insanity Amongst Early Feminists - The Fiamengo File 2.0

bob-object · 2022-07-28T18:01:20+00:00

Doubt

jayval90 · 2022-07-28T21:55:51+00:00

quite surprising with the rise of sexual liberation, OLD and feminism.

That happened in the late 1960s and 1970s, which is before the timeline listed in your description (1989-2021). We had already crested by 1989 in that respect. It's not surprising to see it fall off the high.

I-IV-V-ii-V-I · 2022-07-29T02:57:14+00:00

I’d assume people spend less time face to face and more time doing what we are doing right now.

Abstract_Knight · 2022-07-29T06:19:56+00:00

Idk why but this kinda reminds me of the universe 25.

2022-07-29T06:24:55+00:00

Not that surprising seeing how much more isolated and alone people all over the developed world have become. That's the primary reason for the rise in sexlessness for both genders IMO.

Harlekin97 · 2022-08-10T20:53:27+00:00

Houellebecq got everything right

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