For those of you who are unaware, Amber Heard accused Johnny Depp of abusing her a few years ago and the media had a field day with this up until last week where evidence was made public of Heard being a very manipulative and narcissistic abuser whilst Depp was the victim all along.
Even without any proof on her end, Depp's image was ruined and Heard became a hero in the eyes of the media for standing up to 'abuse'. Even with the recent proof of how sick of a person Heard is, none of the major outlets which painted Depp as an abuser are even touching this story.
It has been apparent for a while now that a woman's word holds a lot of power but if I ever needed a slap in the face to remind me that society could not care any less if I, as a regular man, was a victim of anything this was it.
EDITI'd like to add that some of you have missed the point of this post, that society doesn't care about men. I was using this story as an example but some of you are arguing this story specifically as if it proves anything to say that "well actually, I came across this on YouTube" and shying away from the overall point.
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Men’s groups don’t exist because they’re ridiculed by everyone everytime one starts. What’s the point
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This is a shitty argument. MRAs were ridiculed by women AND men (probably to appease women). Feminists were only ridiculed by men most of the time, and the women would get smacked down if they would claim to be “not a feminist”
Who are they supposed to get support from? The MRA subreddit?
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And since most of the audience for "~the media~" is women, a story confirming their preconceptions about men (the popular idea that they are all evil) will get clicks and traffic, and one exonerating a man or suggesting that he was the victim will not get clicks.
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Okay, that may be what you saw but I saw a very different picture on twitter and the like. And even if you're right and I somehow missed the huge backlash against this story, how do we know what percentage of the audience responded? how many people just saw the headlines and made an assumption? the media makes the headlines & starts the conversation. we can't know how many people were influenced by their sensationalism
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The country doesn't matter much, the culture is the same in all Eastern Europe. Where women are killed by their partners, marital rape is morally justified, where people consider a woman deserves rape etc.
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You don't live here to know. That's why women living here are not moved by the complains of Western men.
Here simply because a woman has the legal right it doesn't mean it is fully acknowledged socially. In other words, she has the modern society rights but is expected to act traditionally.
Doesn't mean it won't still happen. People live by their culture not what the West considers ideal.
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And you think they perceive it that way? There comes the cultural difference.
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Honestly, she’s a piece of shit. She might deserve all the bad publicity and public shaming the media could provide.
The issue, however, and the reason the media is staying quiet is the fear of the idea that women won’t be taken seriously when coming out about sexual abuse. The fear of crying wolf, when we still have a serious crisis of sexual abuse on our hands, and one woman ruined it all.
Listen, compare your fear of being shamed & arrested to my fear of being kidnapped, raped and killed, and THEN getting publicly shamed and even arrested for a “false accusation”, because this DOES happen frequently.
It’s VERY hard to prove sexual abuse. And do you realize how easy it is for a rapist to get off and say things like “I’d never fuck her” and offend her looks TOO.
Of course men deserve rights (some of which they don’t have right now) and of course they deserve not to be falsely accused, and of course Depp deserves an apology, and she should even be prosecuted. But publicizing that a woman was lying is an excuse for the psychos of society to blame women for everything.
[Cough cough] looking at you PPD incels
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Tell people here that he groomed her into addiction and they will scream you don't sympathize with men at all.
What they don't get is: even if Amber Heard hit him, he also hit her back. He responded to abuse with abuse. Why? Because at core he also has some narcissistic tendencies, otherwise he would have not married her.
Abd I think that's why some people don't care knowing his past, his addiction, his trials of him beating other people etc. They look at the big image and not just at his posture as a victim.
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My opinion is my opinion, he hit her too. There are pictures of that and he also says he would kill her if she continued what she did. He responded to abuse with abuse and would have still stayed unless she went for divorce. He was a 50 years old man knowing what he was getting in, a low value man if I am to say. I won't stand for what I can not respect. I can support but not be an activist for. As far as it concerns me, I wish he won the legal battle, went to reheab. And her, go duck herself and her entitlement.
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Facts are this: she has been the abuser but he also hit her back, he responded to abuse with abuse. He can be impulsive, which was proven by the lawsits he had and his arrests. He married a woman almost half his age against the advice of his family. He did not deserve the abuse but that doesn't mean he didn't have it comming. He wasn't a young guidable man, contrary, he knew well the extent of his choice. He is a low value man and the complains here won't change that.
I don't pity any of them, both need theraphy and some humility imbrained. Him for his addiction, her for the narcissism.
Edit: in a conflict no one is just victim or just guilty, both side are more less guilty. Id Mrs Heard is 75% guilty, so is mr Depp 30% guilty for continuing to date her and ignoring the red flags.
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Feel free to search on your own, there are pictures of both with black eyes. Considering that in 2018 he hit a crewman, I don't think it is far fetched he hit her back. If in defense, it is justified, but still violent.
He had it coming, it went public that his family urged him on a prenuptial and they advised him to consider marrying her. When your family tells you to reconsider committing to someone they have a serious point. Lastly, you think she has become like that just after they married? Abusers escalate after locking down the victim, but rarelly it goes 180°, it rather goes gradually. I dated someone toxic too and looking back the signs were there, I just ignored them. It happens to everyone.
If she knew he had a temper, she did had it comming. Women believe that if they are generally violent, it won't be them. Wrong, he will hit them too.
I think she did. Either she ignored the treath or they also hit each other.
If there are frequent assaults and she knows that, dressing in a way that will provoke a specific reaction is on her. If she knows it is possible that something will happen and she ignores that, she also has her own minor fault. Not the fault of being assaulted but the fact she was not careful enough.
Having an opinion doesn't mean being enraged, I have a brain to think and a healthy EQ.
I am far by that, mate. If anything, I am one of those boring "good, intelligent but boring" women.
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He has beaten a police officer in 1989, in 1994 he trashed a hotel room, in 2012 a disabled professor was tied up and dragged 40m on the floor by his bodyguards -----> he settled with money, in 2018 he went to trial for punching a crewman.
He is no angel, he has violent outbursts too.
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You make little sense
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We are not sympathetic to everyone, only to those relate to. I can not sympathize with Mr Depp, but I can empathize as I have grown up in abusive family too. I won't feel sorry or pity him, but I support any improvement and decision he makes of healing from the abuse. Sympathy doesn't contribute to any of that, only reinforces the victim status and stagnation. What Mr Depp feels is justified, but we should not encourage him to prolong his misery by being pitiful. Do you think that's what he wants now, to be seen as weak? Or as a man strong enough to overcome?
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In Mr Depp's case I think it is actually beneficial there is no more coverage. Why? How do you think he feels about himself knowing people put salt on the same wound, not wondering what he feels about. One thing that narcissistic abusive victims feel is shame and self-guilt. He probably feels a lot of shame, he feels lame and has bad self esteem. You think anyone cares that he might not want to have everything publicly discussed?
Not only that, his career is taking a downfall too if the press would be covering more. It will destroy his reputation even more, who would be hiring him any soon knowing he is the type to get into scandals often?
People care more about a cause that supporta their personal struggle but they don't care much how the person involved in the actual scandal feels, how they are affected. This is not about Mr Depp anymore, this is about picking a scandal and pointing hands to represent general frustration. Using Mr Depp as scapegoat, that's not fair. People acting as what he should do or not while the poor man likely wants to be left alone and have this conflict end as peacefully as possibly, his image is already ruined.
🙄 Spend time dealing with your school shootings, serial killers, drug or human traffic, obesity or healthcare. You got bigger problems US.
Who would be crazy to think otherwise, when she married a man half older than her, with several addictions and impulsive behaviour?
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Johnny Depp is not the saint you portray. As a 27 years old man he dates a barelly 18 years old Winona Ryder. Do you know what happened to her after they broke up? She went on a drug addiction and shoplifting binge, that's how toxic he was.
He left his wife and children for Amber Heard, he is a asshole that you try to portray as a victim. He went ahead and married her, to do that he needs to be toxic himself too.
It is unfortunate that he went through everything, but that doesn't excuse him of how toxic he is too.
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No, it is not. Simply pointing out they are both just as bad, both are narcissistic and toxic. What she's done to him he's done before to someone else. No one considers the people he hurt but consider him a victim.
What he gets now is just karma. Does he deserve all of it? Maybe not, I am not one to judge. But, I don't pity him as much, he doesn't deserve.
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Tell me where I have ever used "leave". Both should pay for their sins.
Ex fiancee**
I have seen this dynamic before. They are both toxic towards one another, he hits her and she hits him back. Also, let me tell this: if he left his wife and young children for someone almost half his age, likely he was cheating around his wife for a while. What Amber Heard is now Johnny Depp has been in the 90's
I am all for men's rights, but we should not bury their dark side either. All to be held accountable for what they have done.
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This is the Johnny Depp that you forgot to mention, the one involved in lawsuits due to his violence, drug and alcohol abuse.
He and she deserve each other
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For me it is. We talk as if he is such a high value man while he is low value. Not only that, he spends a lot of money, he is being fed his scenario through the ear bud because he won't learn his lines.
As it appears, he was warned by his family to sign a prenuptial or not get married to her. She has been abusive to him before the marriage, but he still went on. I won't pity someone that made their own choice, it is up to them to deal with the consequence. What I pity is someone dealing with something they can not control.
A drug addict with impulsive violent tantrums that ignored the advice of his family and married her, that's whom he is. What he gets is what he deserves at the end of the day, had he been better he would not put with her sh*t and put a ring on her finger. We can talk about men's rights and pity where there is justified, in his case he has rights in front of the law and he should get what he has the right for. But no pity from me.
Dude has trials of people accusing him of being violent, Mrs Hears accuses him of being so under drugs. There is a truth in her lies too, namely he is at some point, capable of violence.
Use better example and you can prove a point.
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I did not use those words, don't put them in my comments please. He deserves the consequences of whatever nature those are. Do you think she wasn't abusive before they got married? He chose to deal with her abuse, no one forced him to.
Why do you use such twisted words, mate? Just to create drama? Makes you sound whiny, really now. It's not about deserving but being responsible for their own actions. Of course, it doesn't take the evil out of the abuser or excuse from blame, but sometimes people choose to stay with the abuser out of comfort and fear of unknown. I know this, my own mother did it, she stayed because it was bearable and easier than starting again. Does she deserve kindness, sure. Sympathy, not so much from me since I basically begged her to reconsider the marriage, I wished the divorce that never happened.
No one takes away a man's rights for a prenup or divorce. Mrs Heard initiated the divorce, meaning he was willing to stay with his abuser. The person that makes the move always has the higher power. I could sympatize with Mr Depp if he left her and release what he is releasing now at that time, now what he is doing is just damage control.
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Because she was naive and had no life experience. He is to blame knowing that and still did not refrain any of those behaviours in front of her.
I blame Johnny Depp not being mature enough to date a woman of his age, going to rehab, being a man that starts bar fights.
I also blame Winona for dating him.
Go and preach those toxic frustration somewhere else, please. No one made women less accountable.
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