The only type of people who care about “body count” are those who never would have the opportunity to raise their own.

fdswasamistake · 2022-10-04T20:09:42+00:00

I like how people make these cmv posts only to act bitter towards 90% of the people replying. If you want a circle jerk to stroke your ego, go back to Inceltear lmao.

mitigated-disaster · 2022-10-04T19:15:07+00:00

Is that a problem though. If someone avoids dating someone they would hold resentment for... Isn't that a smart dating choice?

GloryToChadlantis · 2022-10-04T21:18:37+00:00

This sounds like weak projection.

Like someone being insecure about being shamed.

JAE_7502 · 2022-10-04T19:44:18+00:00

Not true. I don’t have trouble getting laid if I want to. I also don’t want to be with someone who has a high body count. I’ve always been more of a relationship person, although I’ve had a few short term hookups too. If someone has a really high body count I question their ability to pair bond and work towards something long term.

KombuchaEnema · 2022-10-04T19:35:58+00:00

I am a female. I had a lot of male attention growing up.

I’m pretty sure if I wanted to I could make a Tinder account and sleep with a different man every night.

I still don’t want to date a man who sleeps around.

This whole “the only people who care about body count are people who can’t get laid” argument is getting old.

wtknight · 2022-10-04T19:16:29+00:00

This isn’t true. Some people just think that the idea of being so intimate with a complete stranger is gross. I had an opportunity to have casual sex once and I was too bothered by it to be able to perform. I had no issues with women whom I was in loving relationships with, though.

Casual sex isn’t for everybody, and those people often feel like they want relationships with people who share those views.

daddysgotanew · 2022-10-04T20:49:06+00:00

I’ve slept with over 40 women.

I would never get serious with a woman who slept with 40 men, or even anywhere close to that number.

So you’re wrong

pronouns-king-lord · 2022-10-04T19:09:54+00:00

Just because you're to lazy to look for the evidence doesn't mean it doesn't exists. Nor do i care if she is interested because i am not, so we both have no interest.

And no i won't post the evidence for you.

NOTSM · 2022-10-04T19:14:47+00:00

Most men care to some extent in the sense that if everything else is equal they'd take lower N

But I also don't think most men would leave a happy relationship with a woman that treats him right just because she's fucked more dudes than he'd prefer

GrumpyOldHistoricist · 2022-10-04T19:21:25+00:00

Incorrect.

I’m a man with a 99th percentile body count. Back when I was fucking around I obviously wasn’t looking for virgins, but I understood that high body counts were more often indicative of someone who was self-medicating with sex rather than someone who was emotionally healthy and just liked to fuck. I’m even more certain of it now since I’ve realized I was in the former camp and have done the work to stop being like that.

Overindulgence in high chemical reward activities is always a red flag. In this case sex is no different from drinking, drugs, gambling, spending, food, or social media.

Embarrassed-Tune9038 · 2022-10-04T19:14:16+00:00

What a loaf of shit.

Ex-GF had over 300 by her 30s. Drug addict, sexually abused as a child, mentally ill out the wazoo and also selling her body for H.

Promiscuous behavior can be a sign of bad things.

Sorry, it is. And those things can DQ someone. Sorry, but true.

In her case, her BPD cycled men out of her bed every 3 months.

ViolentTakeByForce · 2022-10-04T21:53:04+00:00

Not true but the argument is so piss poor it’s not even worth addressing.

Fit-Faithlessness149 · 2022-10-05T00:06:57+00:00

Stop acting like being a whore is some kind of superpower. Women racking up a high body count is like men bragging about how many girls they have jerked off to the thought of. Now if you're a guy who has a high body count kudos to you.

HMosadek · 2022-10-04T19:37:59+00:00

According to studies, women with 10+ partners are FAR more likely to get divorces than those with 0 or 1. Female promiscuity has been (rightfully) shamed in every culture since the dawn of time.

BadSpanglish2 · 2022-10-04T19:16:56+00:00

Based on my friendship group alone this is wholly untrue. Plenty of the successful (body count) guys I know, did not want a woman with a similarly high count.

Hypocritical - yes

acceptable...also yes, I guess.

tinasnow-poty · 2022-10-04T20:53:51+00:00

Meh, often. Some people want someone with similar sexual values. I also think there is some sort limit of what’s reasonable. Like i don’t think most men would be mad at 8 people, but eighty?? That’s beyond just sleeping around lmaoo. I wouldn’t be with a guy who has slept with 80 people

begrydgerer · 2022-10-04T19:35:32+00:00

If u date someone with a high body count then u'll be bumping into ppl who've banged ur gf/bf

lefactorybebe · 2022-10-04T19:44:17+00:00

Nah, it's just a preference. I'm not into casual stuff myself and have turned down all but one ONS proposition.

Just not for me and I'd want my partner to share similar values. Feels a little yucky to me too.

Mobrowncheeks · 2022-10-04T19:05:31+00:00

Correct. Most men can’t raise their body count. And most men don’t want to be with women with high body counts. Groundbreaking.
She was interested in 80 men. So I’m sure each of those 80 men had their own opinion about it, and since most men care, I’m willing to bet most of those men do too. ( source, a man with a high body count, who has slept with women with high body counts, and also refused monogamous commitments to women with high body counts)

Stop_Maximum · 2022-10-04T19:09:58+00:00

The statement is correct. I think the slut-shaming is used to justify why they are still unable to get laid sometimes, so it looks like they have standards. They just can’t get anyone to sleep with them

Battlegoat123 · 2022-10-04T20:46:35+00:00

There’s studies showing that lifetime partners correlates with infidelity. Not an N count guy, but your zero evidence claim is false.

Ok_Chicken3237 · 2022-10-04T21:01:49+00:00

If you are offended that some people have certain standards (the running narrative from both men and women is that, anyone can have any preference when it comes to dating) it’s probably you actually feeling ashamed of your past, and someone else holding that standard reinforces that in your own head. It’s a you problem. For example, I’m a shorter guy, and many women have hard height standards, but I’m not out here calling every woman with a height preference insecure. If people were being honest they would say: “men/women can’t have body count standards because I don’t like it or I don’t uphold that standard.”

mosura5282 · 2022-10-04T22:53:24+00:00

I'm a woman who has had multiple opportunities to raise my body count, and I've declined every single time. For me, personally, sex is an intimate thing, and I'd also prefer to date a guy who also has a low body count.

People are free to make their own decisions, even if I don't agree with them.

DisasterPeace7 · 2022-10-04T23:07:15+00:00

If a woman sleeps with 80 people, why is it your prerogative to comment on her lifestyle? She wasn’t interested in you in the first place.

For the same reason that a woman can comment on a guy who wants to date younger women, because we can🤷‍♂️

Also somebody keep count of how many times the word " iNsEcUrE" is used during the comments on this post, I think I want to do a survey lol

Liberated_Asexual · 2022-10-04T23:32:48+00:00

If it's okay for women to say short men are disgusting, then it's okay for men to say women who sleep with dozens of men are disgusting. Stop being entitled, it's just a preference after all.

2022-10-04T23:38:41+00:00

If a woman sleeps with 80 people, why is it your prerogative to comment on her lifestyle?

I'm an American and having an opinion on something is my constitutional right. Do whatever you want, but a woman with more than 5 bodies is emotionally damaged goods. Fuck whoever you want, but you don't have a right to not be seen as abominable and cock-hungry.

dante42lk · 2022-10-05T00:39:55+00:00

>As long as everyone is having safe sex, getting tested regularly there is zero concrete evidence to suggest a higher number of sexual partners mean anything for your romantic future.
There's like a dozen studies that suggest otherwise. Perceived relationship quality drops, probability of a divorce shoots up, etc etc.
>those who never would have the opportunity to raise their own.

So... men in general? Woah, women can whore around more easily than men, they should probably do it, that's so empowering /s

igotthechinesevirus · 2022-10-05T00:46:24+00:00

There are study's that suggest that a female with a high body count is more likely to cheat and to be unable to make a strong bond with her partner. One study says that the chances of cheating increase in 7 percent with each partner.

So, no shaming and no judgement, but this is something that everyone should know and if you're a gal you should definitely consider it, and then if you decide that you don't care; that's all right. I mean at least you'll know to change the number if your crush asks you.

shadowofdoubt13 · 2022-10-04T20:05:04+00:00

Not true at all. Men with the highest body counts still want low body count women

Sad_Top1743 · 2022-10-04T19:33:34+00:00

If you have standards as a man casual sex is hard to come by. Most men care about body count in their LTRs

Life_Management_2149 · 2022-10-04T19:08:16+00:00

I wouldn't care unless she was someone I was thinking of marrying or having something serious with. For a casual fling or just having fun.. I don't care..

psd5 · 2022-10-04T19:30:26+00:00

if a woman sleeps with 80 dudes and then she is interested with you, a male then has the right to reject her right away. It's not a matter of insecurity. I think is fair enough to think that if an average male don't have this level of access to women because they don't give good enough attention or oportunities to the average male nowadays, then I think is fair enough for not having the same amount of opportunities to women.

Feminists love this speech about equality. I love the equality in sex and romantic opportunities then. Reject as many promiscous women as you can. Real advice. Men deserve more love and sex from women and it's entitlement. It's actual equality.

h1shman · 2022-10-04T19:31:46+00:00

The more women I sleep with the more concrete in my decision that I wouldn’t seriously date a promiscuous woman.

You can complain about double standards or hypocrisy. I am walking art and make over 150k. In sales (charismatic) I can afford to have a few preferences especially those I deem appropriate to determine the merit of a women for marriage. Even more so, when you consider the risks associated with marrying a woman in the west.

Studies are irrelevant versus my own life experience and it should be that way for any man. IME the attitudes and beliefs held by more promiscuous woman are less conducive to healthy long term relationships or marriage.

Specialist-Action-33 · 2022-10-04T19:47:40+00:00

Some people just don't want someone who slept around and have morals. You also have religious people as well.

Now as for the ones who didn't have the opportunity to raise their own...

If a woman sleeps with 80 people, why is it your prerogative to comment on her lifestyle?

Its all good. If we end up in a relationship, I will be resentful enough to raise it to 80 my damn self, without her. Now how she like that?

When you've been losing all your life, you have to take the win anytime it comes.

Blueelcamino · 2022-10-04T19:53:14+00:00

Over 6 foot, over 6 inches and over 6 figures. I’m also cute AF and built like an under armour manikin. Don’t tell me I couldn’t raise my own. I could go get laid whenever I want. I’m emotional as fuck and get attached easily! I want an emotional connection or I feel like I’m just jerking off with someone’s body. Maybe that will change.

Acceptable-Chip5833 · 2022-10-04T21:10:16+00:00

Sure but can I at least be allowed to think it's gross? Dicks/Dick pics are by and large regarded as gross or disgusting and yes this is sth I've seen plenty women complain about. So it makes sense to think a woman who requires multiple dicks to be gross and disgusting to some level? No?

If a woman sleeps with 80 people, why is it your prerogative to comment on her lifestyle? She wasn’t interested in you in the first place.

It's not anyone's prerogative to comment about celebrities lifestyle's yet ppl do it anyway. So this is a moot point. If I think someone/Something can I at least have the liberty to express that?? Considering we live in a free speech society and all

ZealousidealAd7191 · 2022-10-04T22:32:14+00:00

People are free to do what they want. We are free to judge them and comment however we want. Why do people think that the right to do what you want means everyone has to be closed mouthed and smiley faced about it.

Its just a fact that men and women are judged differently for their sexual choices. Shaming men out of their preferences is not likely to work.

social_mule · 2022-10-04T22:59:34+00:00

I remember back when I was in the army. Every unit that had female soldiers had a barracks slut. She was usually the supply clerk and pretty much every male soldier in the unit had fucked her. Okay, not every male soldier but a pretty good number.

Then lo and behold, a young male private would come to the unit fresh out of A.I.T and get with her. And because she was the first or second piece of ass he ever had he'd fall in love, they'd get married, they'd move out of the barracks and into on-post housing, she'd get pregnant, she'd get a medical discharge due to her pregnancy, he'd get deployed and she'd continue to fuck every Tom, Dick and Harry she could while he was on deployment.

In PPD terms she was a low value woman with a high n-count who was a higher risk of being unfaithful. In layman's terms she was just a slut and he was a fucking idiot to marry her. He should have fucked her and forgot about her just like the previous fifty plus soldiers did but noooo...he wanted to put a ring on it and give her his last name.

Military units across all branches have hundreds if not thousands of stories just like this. But yeah, people concerned about n-count are just insecure incels with small dick energy. Whatever lets you sleep at night.

fakingandnotmakingit · 2022-10-04T23:09:56+00:00

As a woman I disagree.

Some of people care about having people who value or see sex the same way we do.

I'm not the type to wait until marriage, but I'm not being into casual sex and probably wouldn't want a guy who's big into casual sex or has it often. Not my jam.

Some men are stupid and insecure and some men seem to believe in the master lock and maste rjwy analogy

But ime women care just as much as men do.

resultsmatter1 · 2022-10-04T23:20:56+00:00

Why do people continually push this question? Men are allowed to have N count preferences. I don't care what anyone thinks it means if a guy doesn't want someone who has slept with more than X number of people he's comfortable with. It doesn't mean he's insecure or some sort of mongrel or incel, it's his body, his choice.

I swear to god you people who keep posting this shit are doing so to try and justify your own behavior.

dukesaces · 2022-10-05T00:51:39+00:00

If a woman sleeps with 80 people, why is it your prerogative to comment on her lifestyle? She wasn’t interested in you in the first place.

This is the only factual statement in your post. Its no one's prerogative to comment on someone else's life choices.

That being said the rest of it is, quite honestly, a load of rubbish. There's a ton of evidence that shows that someone's sexual past has a very real and very significant impact on their future relationships and the likelihood of success of those relationships. Its also fucking gross when someone allows so many other people to be intimate with them and their disconnect between sex and love isn't attractive to most men. If one person rejects the other over their body count that's perfectly okay.

There's zero proof or logic to the assertion that the only people who care about body counts are those that never got the chance to raise their own. People in general and especially men are disgusted by high body counts in their partners. Its very gross to most men. People that rack up high body counts usually aren't discerning in who they sleep with. Rejecting someone for their body count shows that you've got standards and that you aren't desperate to be with someone. A person could have every opportunity to sleep with multiple people themselves and choose not to do so because they aren't interested in casual sex and because they find it gross. They may have high body counts themselves but have standards for who they get with. If you think it's only the incels who care about body count you don't really understand men.

Sure-Vermicelli4369 · 2022-10-05T01:13:20+00:00

I don't care anymore man I just assume any woman over 25 has high n count

VastlyVainVanity · 2022-10-05T01:32:52+00:00

As long as everyone is having safe sex, getting tested regularly there is zero concrete evidence to suggest a higher number of sexual partners mean anything for your romantic future.

There is actually statistical evidence that shows a correlation between promiscuity and unfaithfulness. But even if we were to ignore that, there's still the concept of sociosexuality. If a man doesn't like the idea of having casual sex and sees sex as something special, then that's a valid reason for him to not want to date a woman who has had multiple casual partners.

Especially, if you and and your partner are matched up.

Eh, sure, men who complain about women's promiscuity when they would have a 1000+ body count if they had the chance sound hypocritical.

But at the end of the day, double standards are common in relationships. Men and women look for different things, and there are more men who care about a woman's sexual past, than women who care about a man's sexual past.

You’re under no obligation to date someone you don’t want, but degrading people and other relationships for being promiscuous just shows your own insecurity.

With this I agree 100%, there's no reason to try to humiliate women who have slept around. I'd just reject them politely, mentioning a lack of compatibility.

As for the title:

The only type of people who care about “body count” are those who never would have the opportunity to raise their own.

You're projecting your own views onto men here. You apparently think that if a man had the chance, he'd fuck thousands. Some would, sure, but not all. Believe it or not, there are some men who are only interested in committed relationships and aren't interested in getting insanely high body counts.

_Remember_me_not_ · 2022-10-05T05:20:22+00:00

That's like saying, "The only type of people who care about broken houses are those who never would have the opportunity to break their own houses."

RootingRound · 2022-10-05T05:37:57+00:00

there is zero concrete evidence to suggest a higher number of sexual partners mean anything for your romantic future.

I'd like to explore this statement in particular. Do you mean to suggest that there is no correlation between number of sexual partners and likelihood of infidelity?

Summ1tv1ew · 2022-10-05T14:39:42+00:00

Definitely false. Most traditional men don't want a women who the entire town took for a ride . There's many reasons . Women need to deal with it or find a less traditional man .

purplepillowed · 2022-10-05T17:04:43+00:00

Not really, I’ve only had PIV in committed relationships. I have turned down casual sex. I don’t care about body count per say, but I want someone who’s values align with mine.

RahLyt · 2022-10-04T19:48:58+00:00

My comment to the previous thread on this topic:

I don't know why we need studies about this. In my world there's 2 reasons to not date a promiscuous women.

It's literally just disgusting. I'm pretty sure there are promiscuous women who are well put together, just having fun and not degrading themselves too much. But that's not what we picture as men, we picture all the hoes we know. The girls who are known to be easy and invited to the parties specifically for this reason. The girls that all your friends fucked already. The girl that looked decent but gave a BJ to a rando on the club's toilet and went home with a different guy. Tell me what men wants to date the girl that's known as a slut and is invited to motives because one of your friends hasn't got laid in awhile?
Your reputation as a man is completely destroyed if you're willingly dating a hoe.

If the past doesn't matter why are most women saying they are not attracted to bi men? Because they perceive him different after realising he was submissive to another men. Now tell me how do guys feel to date a girl who got an all fours to 35 men? She's not fucking these men, she's getting fucked by these men. Being submissive to this many people it's completely unnactractive for a relationship.

2022-10-04T19:37:19+00:00

It just says a lot about them

FlyV89 · 2022-10-04T21:03:55+00:00

Wrong.

I have an absolute skyrocketing high n-count and I absolutely care about the n-count of women I date (seriously, at least)

KamuiObito · 2022-10-04T21:51:53+00:00

I don’t gaf if it’s an insecurity…I’m noting getting cheated on, on a whim due to lack of self control or slight disagreement. Thots are thots and will always be thots or actors pretending not to be thots..it’s simple a man whore will always be one too.that’s why women get cheated on for years and the man be having secret families..be stupid all you want only your feelings and mental health are gonna decline nobody else will care but YOU…5-10 bodies inst high body count..it’s the 25-50 range that the decline happens…cuz atp your just failing or not trying at all to have a decent faithful relationship.

Bikerbats · 2022-10-04T19:27:28+00:00

I don't think that's fair at all, although you're partially correct. Yes, those who had no opportunity to have a count of their own, do care to an exaggerated degree. However, what I think you're absolutely missing is the large number of people (I'm not one of them) who simply didn't want to raise their count. Not everyone enjoys casual sex. It's stressful and no fun to a lot of people.

GolcondaOni · 2022-10-04T20:16:18+00:00

Yea because every man in the world has this urge to sow wild oats right ?

I can tell your American by how ignorant this post is. Many cultures and religions across the world literally don’t promote and even go against promiscuity in both men and women.

Also, aromantics and demisexuals exist. Also people who are agnostic but believe there is a psychological detriment to hooking up exist.

Also some of these people are way more attractive than you and still feel no need to fuck the sub 5s that you do because they get validation from looks alone.

I’ve been able to have casual sex with women. Some even were models or objectively beautiful. I know you will claim I’m lying as it’s an easy way to dismiss my comment. However I still find it pretty obvious that as I go through women my value on sex depletes. It’s no longer as intimate as it once was. I would not want a woman that overly and repeatedly uses sex transactionally outside the frameworks of a relationship.

Yes sometimes we are down and we use things to get out (pleasure). But a person who uses peoples body for validation, money, status or access to experiences over and over and over again usually is a stunted person.

Lopsided_Ad3587 · 2022-10-04T23:33:47+00:00

I hate the sexism in these comments. I understand if you view sex as intimate and meaningful and want your partner to share the same values, but being completely hypocritical and misogynistic is really gross.

Normal_Red_Sky · 2022-10-04T20:27:38+00:00

If a woman has slept with a lot of other men and then decides she wants a relationship with a less attractive beta, she's clearly settling. Is it insecure to want someone who actually wants you and isn't just seeing you as a provider?

2022-10-04T19:48:03+00:00

You are right women didn't want me and I am 35 and still a virgin. So why is it a problem that I don't want women who had former partners and relationships if they never wanted me in the first place?

Normal_Red_Sky · 2022-10-04T20:23:15+00:00

There's plenty of stories like this, actions have consequences.

Walterodim79 · 2022-10-04T21:07:15+00:00

As long as everyone is having safe sex, getting tested regularly there is zero concrete evidence to suggest a higher number of sexual partners mean anything for your romantic future.

Factually wrong.

Flightlessbirbz · 2022-10-04T22:45:37+00:00

Some higher n men have hypocritical standards for women. But I have learned being here that yeah, most of the men who care are virgins and low n themselves. I’d just like to see them stop trying to moralize and science-ize it and admit they are jealous of women’s and more attractive men’s sexual opportunities. Because if that’s how you feel, that’s how you feel, but we don’t need pseudoscience.

aleheart · 2022-10-04T23:15:38+00:00

Wow this is a based take

2022-10-04T20:04:41+00:00

idk i fully believe there are some misogynist men who have high body counts of their own but still want an 18 year old virgin.

No_Reflection_798 · 2022-10-04T21:17:48+00:00

The only type of people who care about “body count” are those who never would ~~have the opportunity~~ to raise their own.

*want

FTFY

dumbbitchcas · 2022-10-05T01:03:24+00:00

Ur right and you should say it. As a virgin, it is stupid as fuck to care abt. When dudes ask me, it’s an automatic turnoff. Stop giving a fuck, it’s weird.

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ThrowRAmtf · 2022-10-04T20:04:39+00:00

When the power dynamics are clearly unbalanced your statement is incorrect imho.

Yes, of course, IF men could access freely sex as much as easily as women the whole n-count problem would be not-existent.

Unfortunately, that is not the case.

Usually, men value more women who do not exploit this power, not because they are less clean or pure... but because exploiting some intimate act as sex... could be felt as gross.

Not all people are able to separate sex from love.

A high n-count woman necessarily has done it, that is the problem in the most part. Not the physical act per se, but the context in which has happened.

I swear that most men would not care if a girl had in the past only serially monogamous relationships.

Ok-Cupcake-2854 · 2022-10-04T20:35:06+00:00

promiscuity on some level is morally wrong much like drug use. im not saying ur scum of the earth if ur promiscuous but it is a shame-able behavior on some level just like being addicted to drugs is. its bad for society at large. its bad for a stable family unit, its spreads stds, it often involves deception or impulsive thinking, it often involves drugs and alcohol. i could go on. its not the best thing in the world lets be real here. promiscuity is bad for society at large so dont be surprised if some people in society dont like it. and ur wrong there is clear evidence that promiscuity is linked to cheating, divorce, and not being satisfied in marriage and this link is even stronger for women than men.

Smithersink · 2022-10-04T20:58:26+00:00

I agree with the sentiment that men are too judgmental about promiscuous women’s lifestyles. Of course someone having more partners shouldn’t lessen your value as a human being or make you any less deserving of respect. But people have a right to have their preferences. And, love it or hate it, a woman not being promiscuous is one of the top preferences of men. Doesn’t mean it’s fair, doesn’t mean it’s rational. But I don’t think it’s just the incel guys who care.

Ok_Chicken3237 · 2022-10-04T21:09:25+00:00

I had opportunities to have casual sex but I didn't do it because it goes against my values. Look I am not going to shame women who are promiscuous but I do critique hook up culture as whole. I personally think hook up culture rose to popularity due to various reasons relating to the current state of the economic system and cultural shifts (atomization). I also believe humans are more suitable for long term relationships as opposed to ONS though.

RRBeachFG2 · 2022-10-04T22:06:32+00:00

Is this what a Reddit ratio looks like?

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-10-04T22:55:27+00:00

Weird, I have pretty high n and still didn't want a high n woman 🥱

LetSuitable5665 · 2022-10-04T22:56:35+00:00

I follow red pill but honestly don’t care about n count, but if she passes a certain number, I definitely want a paternity test if we have a baby.

Redditcritic6666 · 2022-10-04T23:33:59+00:00

Technically True. If you are in a steady, exclusive relationship, you can't get your body count up anymore.

blackestrabbit · 2022-10-07T10:10:18+00:00

Free speech, I reckon.