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The Rise of Digital Prostitution

December 27, 2018
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I've been planning to make a post about this for a while now. I would have preferred to do it later, with sources and the whole shebang, but I'm lazy and impatient.

Anyway, what do you all think of this? It's becoming more common for people to engage in some form of sex work. Especially young women. Camming, sugar baby/daddy, escorting, selling fetish items, etc.

Would you be comfortable doing sex work or dating someone who did it? Do you think this increase is a good or bad thing? Will it positively or negatively affect relationships and society in the future?

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[–]LSTW123412 points13 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn’t do it but I think it’s a safer and smarter alternative for women (and men) who would otherwise do it in person.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Pft, that's one way of looking at it. It's also possibly an indicator that young people are so poor that girls especially of college age are basically using the only leverage they have to generate income.

[–]LSTW12341 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I mean, selling sex is something young women have done for ages. It’s just another platform for it.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't know why people are so congenial about all these things that're happening.

  • Oh its the internet, oh the economies strong, racism isn't worse its just on camera, women have always been golddiggers its not social media, weather patterns they're fine 6 hurricanes in the Atlantic during the fall, firestorms normal!

You people are like fucking tourists in a zoo. Obliviously unaware.

[–]LSTW12340 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s more just acceptance of the natural progression of the industry. I’m not saying it’s overall good, but I do think it’s good for those who would otherwise have done it in person.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Obviously if McDonalds paid part time students $17/h they wouldn't have to resort to this.
At least for 2 year public colleges.

But why would McDonalds pay a part-time student $17 an hour?

That student isn't even interested in a long-term career inside McDonalds Corp and (for obvious reasons) doesn't care a lot for the job.

Poor students can opt for a 3-year night class college and work too.
Yes it's hard as fuck, but isn't it better than selling your ass on camera online?
Apparently for a lot of women it isn't.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

  • I partially agree but it's simple as incentives, while you're right the issues more complex bottomlines this.

Why should she leave the comfort of her bedroom when thirsty idiots will send her shit for free while she lounges around in from of her camera when the alternative is trading your time for piss as far as compensations concerned & coming home smelling like ass/fry grease late at night?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it's apparently unethical and immoral?
And apparently women are forced into it by an unfair and patriarchal system that exploits them?

Well technically most webcam aggregators ARE owed by men, then again most pimps are male as well.

OTOH they do get an option most men don't have... Most men have to choose between "trading your time for piss as far as compensations concerned & coming home smelling like ass/fry grease late at night" (or an equally low paying/degrading job) AND "being homeless".

There's also a flip side to this: After years of sex work, she won't exactly be able to bond with your average guy into a successful marriage.
She'll often either end up with a small time crook β-boi (like Anfisa & Jorge from "90 day fiance") or with some abusive guy who shares many of the traits of her former "cam-pimp".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Really, THE ONLY leverage they have? What about other kinds of jobs?

This is similar to girls who get into stripping "to pay for college". While I'm sure some do, and some are coerced into it, a large part of women who go into sex work do so because it's easier than many of the alternatives.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yea, but the explosive popularity of its definitely telling. Remember "sugar babies"? I don't because the word didn't exist when I was even in high school. Cam girling is like not even outside the realm of normalcy anymore trading "noodz" for shit isn't even taboo anymore.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yeah the sugar babies who cry on camera are definitely my favorites.
The funniest are those who say they feel worthless and disgusted at having had sex with old men. But they definitely like the money and the freedom...

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The want it both ways. Freedom without the shitty parts. You can't have everything.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hey I'd like free money and to focus on things I want to do vs. things I HAVE to do too.
In fact, I'm pretty sure most people would. Hehe...

Also, I'm pretty sure the lowkey roasting she gets from her BFFs is a lot worse than the actual physical act of fucking an older guy.
Heck the sugar daddy likely tries his best to please her during sex more than her side guys do.

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Like & having the expectation that people are supposed to let you are too completely different things. Id like a blowjob from a female musician/Hollywood actress. Do I have an expectation of that; not unless I'm crazy, completely out of touch with reality.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill6 points7 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Whores have made the world go round and kept it from descending into cock blocked chaos since time immemorial. They are an essential part of this weird cultural moment we have where sexual norms are in flux and people are adjusting.

Yes i happily date sex workers. Some A+ individuals in the hoe kingdom, some crazies too. And all points in between. These girls have sort of been my niche, serious dating wise, for almost a decade now. Have dated camgirls, escorts, sugarbabies, dancers, and one bona fide porn actress (we’re no longer partners but I’m going to the AVNs with her this January). I will happily have brief relationships with civilian types, but i can only grow life roots with someone who has a pragmatic, open minded take on sex and can compartmentalize different types of it. That doesn’t require being a sex worker at all, but it correlates highly with people who are often drawn to the sector. Also, i could never date someone without similar views bc too many of my friends are sex workers and/or exes.

In short, i can understand why other ppl wouldn’t want to date such folk, but i wish we made it easier legally to allow people who actually want to be in the sector to do it safely.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

What are pragmatic views on sex. I only knew that there are pragmatic views on life?

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That’s probably subjective but I’d say it means having sex opinions and behaviors that are harmonious with your overall values. Many people are huge ass hypocrites about sex. I think people can be traditionally conservative and be highly pragmatic, just like i can be a hoe and be that way too.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They probably don't have that views from start, It develops from experience and interpretation of experiences. Some feel good and some feel bad.

[–]CyJackX1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Curious what the protection protocol was with the pro actress?

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

She has to have two week old tests through one of two approved testing firms to do any scene. So she is CONSTANTLY getting tested. Honestly the concern pornstars have about stds almost always come from their recreational side sex. Serious infections are rare in porn and serious testing scandals rarely involve on set transmission.

We are no longer dating dating but sometimes hook up. Last time I saw her she’d done four scenes that week and had a knee injury from one, and i had just had a few sleazy threesomes with girl I’m seeing and some tinder dudes. So we just watched tv and played with cats, and that’s also just fine.

[–]CyJackX1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Definitely makes sense that most problems would come from outside the industry. How did you two meet?

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Okcupid

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I will happily have brief relationships with civilian types, but i can only grow life roots with someone who has a pragmatic, open minded take on sex and can compartmentalize different types of it. That doesn’t require being a sex worker at all, but it correlates highly with people who are often drawn to the sector. Also, i could never date someone without similar views bc too many of my friends are sex workers and/or exes.

I am trying to stick to sensible friends of sex workers, hasn't really improved much but I have been hoping to find that "unicorn" half rational bitch half romantic sweetheart you eloquently described recently.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lololol me too starting soon, when my current partner transfers to another school. I’ve been reflecting on my past failures, but while dating fun college girls for whom I’m just a “passing through” phase. Going for someone more age appropriate and LTR focused in the near future (hopefully).

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have been with current chick for about half a year and shes great and kinky and everything a guy could want, but shes so practical in day to day life not all that exciting you know? Well long story short I have had to stop myself more than once already to not sabotage this for someone exciting and problematic.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

To quote the Orange Leader (one of his few quotable things): "It doesn't exist, folks.".

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hey most sex workers wouldn't want to date the average Joe either so it's not like there's a huge gap to be covered.

Plus a lot of (especially illegal) sex workers are technically "dating" their pimps.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

They aren't very healthy people to start a family. Kids most of time requires therapy. I highly doubt anybody would like their friend watching his/her mother banging some random guy. Its very bad for society. Otherwise, i don't think there is mostly any difference between sex worker and non sex worker.

[–]petrichordiummidsommar pill1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m utterly indifferent to the idea of children. I’d entertain having them with an otherwise near perfect person i trusted.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

But for society to completely accept them requires this aspect also or society is already on edge of collapse that it can only accept it like Greece.

[–]passepar2t5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Digital prostitution? Try "girls streaming themselves doing everyday household things such as assembling ikea furniture and having legions of rabid fans drooling all over their monitors regardless." They don't even get naked for camera and their viewers still fall over each other to send them money or buy them gifts. Prostitution I understand! This, though...

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Try "girls just tapping on a microphone and reading stuff". Heck, try "girls poorly playing video games while talking to fans".

Prostitution I understand! This, though...

Male thirst makes things worse for all of us...

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (45 children) | Copy Link

It's a bad thing. Making something into a product, that used to be apart of personal relationships can't be a great thing. It's unchecked Capitalism in action.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple7 points8 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

What about being a nanny?

It's making nurturing and child care into a 'product'. Does that have a negative affect on the other children in a nanny's life?

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It does affect child's brain development

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (21 children) | Copy Link

Nannies are at least in-person and vetted, so there is at least some relationship of consequence, and aren't usually a supplement entirely for the family. Furthermore the nanny isn't directly paid by the child, so they aren't trying to exploit the child itself.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dude the other day you were advocating violating the first amendment and now this.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

tbh, I'm sure you're not lying, but I can't remember the context of that.

[–]Mr_SmoogsThe 2nd most obnoxious poster here0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Advertising lol

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple-1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

relationship of consequence

Why does there need to be a consequence to selling your attention or body?

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (16 children) | Copy Link

Because it lessens the desire to unethically exploit the other party.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

What is unethical about giving someone an option to feel intimate?

There's no gun to these horny men telling them they need to pay a woman to mail her underwear. They want to smell underwear, they can't get it for free, so they pay.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That's gross.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's a pretty gross fetish, but men seem to have all kinds.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Every successful man have his own quirks and women have way more fetishes hell a woman sold a S&M novel to all women which is as sick. No man would buy such a book if written about male fetishes.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No. Men just watch videos of their fetishes lol.

And participate in forums about it, and find cam girls who do it, and go to conventions about it.

But an erotic novel is too far.

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes4 points5 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Who is being exploited? Bitches can get jobs at McDonald’s if they don’t want to suck dicks.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (8 children) | Copy Link

If the level of pay is sufficiently different, then it may not actually be much of a choice. Especially since a lot of minimum wage jobs can no longer actually meet a person's needs.

[–]Pope_LuciousSeparating the wheat from the hoes1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow.

Are you actually arguing having a lucrative economic option is somehow coercive?

A lucrative economic option not shared by men btw.

She gets to make a choice. Just like everybody else in the world.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Maybe she should have worked a bit harder to make something of herself. Lots of women do. I believe there are now more women than men in medical school.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

In law school too I think. Also in finance school, where I live (4 women for every 3 men).

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

But all these avenues require years of hard work. A woman can set herself up as a web cam girl in an afternoon.

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because it lessens the desire to unethically exploit the other party.

This supposes such a desire actually exists in the first place.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I even has a negative effect if the child is THE ONLY child she takes care of.

It really depends on the age, but unless there's strict discipline, growing up with a nanny DEFINITLEY changes the way a person sees the world.

[–]Zippo-Cat2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Sure, blame capitalism. That's the real root cause of women exploiting male thirst. Not women being exploitative and not men being thirsty, just capitalism.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Capitalism makes use of men's thirst in most unethical way.

[–]Sprach_McGrachan1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

It fills someone's pockets with cash.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Its uses thirst of males to compete for more money and then spend on females which restores the money that male originally took from economy. If male paid money to female, she buys anything irrationally and money flows into economy. It creates a magical paycheck to paycheck lifestyle.

[–]Sprach_McGrachan1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It fills someone's pockets with cash.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

More like Debt.

[–]Sprach_McGrachan0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Money and debt go hand-in-hand.

Surely you don't require a reddit discussion to figure that concept out, do you?

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Finance is my career.

[–]Sprach_McGrachan0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure.

[–]TedescheMRA1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

It’s a bad thing. Making something into a product, that used to be apart of personal relationships can’t be a great thing.

Why not? Seems pretty exclusatory.

It’s unchecked Capitalism in action.

Huh? I’m plenty critical of capitalism, but I stick to economic arguments. How is this in any way a result of “unchecked capitalism” as opposed to “under-checked human rights?” Seems more like a rights issue than an economic one to me.

[–]SAC-Lawn_Gnome 1 points [recovered]  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think in a society where basic things like food, shelter, employment, and education were more guaranteed, we'd have less people willing to do it

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think in a society where basic things like food, shelter, employment, and education were more guaranteed, we'd have less people willing to do it

Nah -- there will always be covetous people looking for the easy route.

[–]Whiteliesmatter10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don’t know about that. It looks fun. I have a good job, and if there were demand from straight women for male cam guys I would totally do it.

[–]Whiteliesmatter10 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Which human right is under threat here?

[–]neuk_mijn_oogkasVulva-and-tit-hating non-monogamous lesbian loner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That seems to just be an inertial argument. Maybe that it was part of a personal relationship was the problem?

This is basically saying: "if society ever moves to turn cleaning into a personal thing it should never change back to allow people to hire cleaners".

[–]reluctantly_red0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's a bad thing. Making something into a product,

I don't disagree, however, on some level this type of relationship is actually more honest than most regular ones.

[–]storffish0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

are you suggesting that selling sex is as recent a phenomenon as capitalism? or that prior to that sex was only for people in relationships?

wew lad, I've got a bridge to sell you...

[–]jackandjill22Red Pill misanthropic, contrarian0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Completely agree. It's commodification in action. Whenever capitalism gets a hold of something it gets commercialized & is never the same. Internet everything.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Because we need a lot of money for things we want and we can make money off of something so many men want anyway. It's essentially running a small online business. I did it to pay off debt and survive while working two day jobs.

I was an online sex worker and my relationship was fine and I would have no issue dating someone like that. However, it is not for everyone.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Because we need a lot of money for things we want and we can make money off of something so many men want anyway

Capitalism at its finest right there.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Yes, capitalism tbh. It's very difficult to survive comfortably if you have no skill, no education, and an abusive unsupportive family. Throw in capitalism and desire to consume it's a big mess.

But simple. Supply and demand. Guys want boobs we want money.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's very difficult to survive comfortably if you have no skill, no education, and an abusive unsupportive family. Throw in capitalism and desire to consume it's a big mess.

Can relate.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

an abusive unsupportive family.

Why is this always a recurring theme with women? They always have an abusive boyfriend, family, ex, something.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Because a lot of women are abused?

[–]_Neon_Shadow_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Doubt.jpeg

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ok

[–]TriadFamilyTimesEverything I know I learned from group sex5 points6 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Online sex workers are fun and I wouldn't have a problem with my girlfriend doing it so long as it was anonymous. No like snapchat throughout the day out doing things and riskier shit some of the single ones engage in sometimes. I'd prefer no one be able to find our physical address.

I think the acceptance of sex work in this online form has lead to people being more open about sexwork in general and alot of the stigma has been taken away. It's one of the few ways younger people sometimes have ways to get large amounts of money from older people that actually can value your time more than lots of random jobs you can get. And if there's one thing the younger generations value it's our time.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution2 points3 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Anonymous is a myth on internet. Any half assed hacker can search up and can do complete profiling of any person especially THOTs including addresses, current relationship status etc.

Its the way for younger girls, don't include boys there aren't many. I personally feel sex work does put a ceiling on career though. Especially high level executive positions and many careers completely.

[–]Atlas_B_Shruggin✡️🐈✡️ the purring jew5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

don't include boys there aren't many.

theres tons. gay men will pay teen and teen looking young men to jerk off on cam

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I forgot about them.

[–]TriadFamilyTimesEverything I know I learned from group sex1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ok. There is a difference between anonymous from like legit dangerous people and anonymous from Joe Blow Gen Xer who is fully competent with chrome and takes his laptop to best buy when windows fucks up and owns a gun and is MGTOW after a messy divorce and lost his shit.

Because it's Joe Blow I'm actually worried about.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They can also know. World doesn't have any deficit in stalkers. It won't be like she is locked in her house. There is a very high probability that someone will recognise her on streets and could follow her to address. Then sell the address to other people. There are many cases like these. I did watch a video on YouTube in which some fans of content creator sent him her most sensitive details also. In internet era, its better to remain hidden than these things and avoid uploading pics especially nudes and all but if you don't give a fuck about it sure but every shortcut to money has its own serious drawbacks. And most of them doesn't have any future after hitting the wall. Few women can quit, it becomes like addiction to easy money. And those who do quit will have major career blocks.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

takes his laptop to best buy

This gave me a nice chuckle.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (27 children) | Copy Link

If you keep a low profile it's actually not so easy to dox someone. People tend to get doxxed if they put too much personal info on their profile. If you take your home address off all public records (easy to do here, thanks GDPR!) and don't have your real name attached to any social media profiles or forums it's gonna be very very difficult to dox you.

Doxxing is just joining dots, so make sure there's no dots to join.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (26 children) | Copy Link

Professionals can dox with photos and videos and IP addresses . Just as you said doxxing is just joining dots, if you do anything on web there will always be footprints to connect even if they may be Scrabbled across the web. Doing online increases the unknown factor very much. It increases the audience to larger sociopaths groups. Who knows which nut case had fallen hard for you and how much he is gonna risk it. While there is low percentage of these nut cases. But this is a risk of lifetime that depends upon luck. And there is also suicide factor, some douche bags will always harass the entertainer.Heck even pornstars commit suicide due to online bullying. No Money is easy to earn without fair share of risks.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (25 children) | Copy Link

Professionals can dox with photos and videos and IP addresses

Your understanding of computers comes from TV doesn't it?

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (23 children) | Copy Link

Nope

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (22 children) | Copy Link

What i meant was you could possibly search on social media for her pics with her friends and you could use her friend's information to find her or something like this. I only know data science this is simplest explanation i could come up. But its possible.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Right and all of what you just said relies on having a social media presence attached to your real name which is exactly what I said to avoid, you're only supporting my argument.

The bit about IP addresses is what makes me think you don't know much. You cannot track someone down with an IP address this only happens in movies and TV. IP addresses are dynamic and do not provide personal info of the person they are assigned to unless you are LE.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

But if she uses twitch, moderator could know her IP address. And based on favourable bias towards thots by moderator, i do know that moderator does a lot more.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Right but the IP address is worthless. Any regular consumer grade ISP is going to be using dynamic IP addresses that are randomly assigned to different users all the time. Even if they were not, at best an IP can give you is a very vague and likely inaccurate location and that's about it. What exactly do you think this person is going to get with the IP?

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Its more easy if he has data access apis from facebook. He could use image recognition on database and could easily found out images related. There may be many methods such as she's going to groceries shopping and a man recognises her from her photos or videos. He could possibly stalk her and finds her address. And sell to people.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

So he'd need to hack into the backend admin panel of Facebook? Lol do you see how silly this is? That's not how most doxxing happens it's just connecting publicly available dots.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I wonder if more people are doing this kinda thing now than would've done so before the internet.

Like, what would someone selling nude photos online today have done if there was no internet? Would she have not done any kind of sex work? Would she have become a stripper, or gone straight to prostitution?

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, people do it because it's so easy and disconnected from reality.

For the same reasons people are internet trolls online. They likely wouldn't verbally abuse someone in person as an alternative.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's the illusion. Everything on internet is stored somewhere and will likely be there. So, it's worse if people think that it isn't reality. Internet Trolls are bunch of kids venting b/c they are being bullied in school. Schools nowadays have strict abuse policy.

[–]Sealgrave1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Schools nowadays have strict abuse policy.

Dude, policies are one thing. Enforcement of said policies is something completely different.

[–]neuk_mijn_oogkasVulva-and-tit-hating non-monogamous lesbian loner-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Trolling has nothing to do with verbal abuse.

Trolling is faking to have an extreme opinion like "the earth is flat" or "kill the gays" to get people angry and bait them into responding.

Hardly a high crime.

[–]darksoldierkPurple Pill0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Cameras existed before the internet bud, I'm sure there were places where you could buy amateur pictures of naked women.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well duh, but is that even comparable to the internet? Anyone in this thread right now could see multiple women I have slept with naked with a little bit of info and google searching I don't think thats the same as a random photo of an am artist.

[–]Pastelitomaracucho1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whatever. Societal trends that arise I we can't do much about.

I wouldn't date a sex worker myself.

[–]couldbemage3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Dated online sex workers and done it myself. No big deal. It was fun.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_-2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice.

[–]3vilg0dAbsolution2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The only thing that I am comfortable with is using the services. It's kind of waste to not use cost efficient means of relief.

I do think it has a positive effect on society. Especially Men, It provide cost efficient method for pleasure and relieving urges. Prostitution is oldest profession in human civilization, it's just adopting to market changes.

[–]reluctantly_red1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Prostitution is oldest profession in human civilization, it's just adopting to market changes.

Very true -- but there as always been a seesaw between acceptance and persecution of prostitutes. Thinking there will be some push-back soon (even if its just IRS audits).

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[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Liberal Feminists complain about capitalism unless it involves sex workers, conservative MGTOW dudes complain about socialism unless it is about sex work.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How is sex work socialism?

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

In the case of men complaining? They usually want sex socialized in the idea it would be available to everyone sex work isnt really politics at all at the end of the day.

[–]killallthenarcs0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think a lot depends on what sort of sex work it is. I mean I'd be just fine with someone who writes romance novels, then it is all downhill from that point.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Weird I feel slightly the opposite, I hate sexual partners who live in their fantasies but never act on them.

[–]KikiYuyuPurple Pill Woman0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It makes me extremely uncomfortable. I find sex work in general to be pretty gross tbh. Whether or not it's good or bad... I dunno. Not everyone's me so maybe it'll have a weird benefit I can't imagine.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm going to try to keep this as short and simple as possible to prevent from going into rambling as I've re-edited this comment 5 times.

Good:

Gives people an outlet who believe they cannot get laid.

Is a resource for men who wish to avoid interacting with women in social situations.

I believe it gives men more liberation in their sexual pursuits. (Red pillers will understand what I'm talking about when it comes to feminism's impact)

Bad:

Society continues to drift away from the emotional connection sex has when constricted to LTR's.

Makes sexual interaction dangerous as people involved in this are often with others they may know little or nothing about so safety is a concern.

STD's involved in such things as pornography, prostitution, and escorting continue to rise.

Taking dangerous sexual risks and participating in sometimes unsafe encounters is associated with certain mental disorders so there's a chance the average psychological health of people goes down in the future.

The value of romantic, committed relationships goes down which is essential for maintaining birth rates and raising successful children in 2 parent homes which is needed.

I ultimately wouldn't date someone who does or did sex work and I'll never do any sex work. My final conclusion is that this is a slight negative but a necessary evil in today's tough times between men and women not seeing eye to eye.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Society continues to drift away from the emotional connection sex has when constricted to LTR's.

Yeah, this is a good point. I feel like without a genuine connection to another person, a lot of people's mental health deteriorates. If sex continues this way it'll mean very little in the future.

Taking dangerous sexual risks and participating in sometimes unsafe encounters is associated with certain mental disorders so there's a chance the average psychological health of people goes down in the future.

Didn't know this. Interesting. If it goes any lower we're screwed. People are already miserable.

My final conclusion is that this is a slight negative but a necessary evil in today's tough times between men and women not seeing eye to eye.

Agreed.

[–]KeyAssumption0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's the best way to make money for women when they're young. The smartest ones are those who don't even need to have sex with the clients. Kudos to them.

[–]testpostignorepls 1 points [recovered]  (1 child) | Copy Link

If I could cam-whore myself anonymously for a shit ton of money, who the fuck wouldn't?

There are real human desires driving this and sex isn't that special in today's day and age, and I'm fine with that. Look at all those beautiful girls on chaturbate. I never pay but man I busted so much nuts to some of them.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I could cam-whore myself anonymously for a shit ton of money, who the fuck wouldn't?

I'd do it no question. Easiest money I'd ever make.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

It only makes sense that the world's oldest profession would adopt to the digital age. Remember VHS beat Betamax because VHS allowed porn. Bluray beat HD-DVD because Bluray allowed porn. Digital cameras were selling fast and developed quickly due to high demand from porn producers. Same with HD and 4K. And now we have competing standards for digital video (VP9, H.265, etc) porn is driving that too.

The sex industry is not only a primarily early adopter of new technology but the standard they utilise is the standard that thrives.

So it would surprise me more if escorts were not using the internet. For legal reasons it's not much of a thing in the US but here in the UK (and other countries around the world) Adultwork is a big deal and is essentially eBay for hookers.

It's a good platform for the workers as it allows them to work independently and provides safety features - the users contacting you can be vetted through the site, like how Uber drivers can see your rating.

You also can't sign up to be an escort on there without showing a form of valid ID, so this ensures everyone on there is of age.

Having a framework like that for this type of business makes it safer for all involved and can only be a good thing. Certainly far superior to standing on a street corner.

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well safety be damned; that will never fly here! Americans are Puritans at heart and if a few hookers have to get assaulted in order for us to maintain our high moral standards, so be it.

[–]neuk_mijn_oogkasVulva-and-tit-hating non-monogamous lesbian loner0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Would you be comfortable doing sex

Yeah

or dating someone who did it

Yeah

Do you think this increase is a good or bad thing? Will it positively or negatively affect relationships and society in the future?

I want to see a society that takes the social aspect out of sex so yeah. I think it's good it's treated like a product.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I think it's good it's treated like a product.

This is an interesting point of view you don't see super often. This does make sense in a pro sex worker world, the only question I have is does this further dehumanize sex workers or just the act of the sex itself?

[–]neuk_mijn_oogkasVulva-and-tit-hating non-monogamous lesbian loner0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

It dehumanizes them in the same way as every labourer is.

When I go to the store the person who checks out at the counter is not a human but a labouring machine essentially; they are at that point inherently objectified for their services like all employees are; they are a resource. People seem to think that prostitution should be treated differently from that and I disagree.

Like where I live prostitution is (famously) legal but all prostitutes must be self-employed in the legal sense. This is to supposedly ensure they cannot be forced by their boss to have sex against their will because that would "effectively be rape". I think that's nonsense; by that argument any labourer is 'effectively enslaved'; if you sign a contract that says you have to perform your job then naturally not performing that is breach of contract.

Obviously someone whose job contract says they must have sex with clients commits breach of contract for not doing that; I don't see that as a problem any more than a construction worker refusing to lift heavy stuff being in breach of contract.

For some strange reason the lawmaker doesn't feel this way about pornography where those people are also under contract to have sex with cameras rolling no less and a refusal is breach of contract of course.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Logically speaking you arent wrong, just wonder where that leads us like will there be any need for romanticism in the future or does consumerism just stamp it out.

Is romanticism even a good thing? well thats a question for another thread.

[–]neuk_mijn_oogkasVulva-and-tit-hating non-monogamous lesbian loner0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Meh, I'm not a very romantic person I guess as you would have probably guessed—I don't realy care about all those Hollywood romance ideals.

The way I see it romantic love is a mind-altering, addictive drug that should be used like any other: enjoy but use responsibly and don't get addicted.

[–]welcometothejlRed Pill Man0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

To me, women have already been monetizing sex indirectly, so not much changes by monitizing it directly. I personally believe men and women are equal but different. Where men have an advantage in physicality, women have an advantage in sexuality overall. If society acknowledges sex work as legitimate work, people would be more likely to date them. It wouldn't be a deal breaker for me personally, but it would factor negatively into an equation of things I would consider about a person before dating them. I would probably date much less anyway if there was legal, safe, prostitution, and that's where you'd see societal changes. For guys who got taken to the cleaners in a divorce, paying a couple hundred bucks up front for sex seems a lot less risky than a few hundred thousand for years of lousy sex.

[–]_Neon_Shadow_1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh man, you hit the nail on the head. If sex work was legal, I don't think guys would care as much about relationships. If I could have pornstar sex with a 10/10 goddess whenever I wanted, why would I need a relationship?

[–]Willow-girlProud 2 B an American farmer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Male thirst knows no ends, lol.

[–]UnconfidenceSocial Anarchist - BP0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As long as all parties involved give informed and continual consent, I don't see where there would be a problem.

I wouldn't have a problem dating someone who did this in their past. I think the increase is a generally good thing but is kind of mixed in that it shows a large amount of unaddressed sexuality in men. I think in the future we'll be better off for having opened these doors.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Would never ever date a girl who did that, but it's a decision they're free to make

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have already dated two girls who did some form of this be it camming or other means. Would I do it again? probably not. Would I change what I did? Definitely not those were good times.

I have a career now, I don't really have a need, and I am not much into exhibitionism.

Of all the cammers I have met/ or dated, I would only consider one real long term "shipable" and I still would prefer a none cammer.

[–]cxj75% Redpill Core Ideas0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Can’t say I blame young women with student debt and/or poor employment opportunities. Yes they could be welders but we all know that’s unrealistic to expect of women.

One thing lots of redditors including ppd lack understanding of is the soul crushing nature of working 13$/hr jobs for years and decades on end. People need to read more Bukowski.

[–]Xemnas810 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I support it on liberal grounds and there's a part of me which rejects it on sour grapes. A friend of mine lost his V to a sex worker so wanting them all audited would be a wee hypocritical.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The demand is high and the supply is low. Enough young women have been desensitized to various sex acts to the point where this is becoming a sustainable career.

And the market is nowhere near flooded.

Some of the guys who pay are just looking for a different way to have a good time, but most of them are socially inpet men for whom, short of paying a hooker, this is the only way they can see a live woman indulge SOME SORT WHATSOEVER of erotic fantasy of theirs (most of which are very tame, given these guys get laid maybe once a year at best).

EDIT: for clarity.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My only issue with modern digital sex work is that it creates & feeds false fetishes where none exist.
Fetishes are generally things reserved for people who want to explore something fresh and new.

Modern sex work is mostly based on exploiting the thirst of virgin & near-virgin men under the guise of a legitimate fetish.
How in hell can a guy who sees pussy live at most once a year can come to the conclusion he's got a "financial slave" fetish?
Much more likely it's just the only kind of sexual release available to / allowed for him.
It's a lot like selling water by the cup (for $700 a cup) to people who can't get any water otherwise.
And it turns out the water is stale / tainted and bad for the health.
Sure it quenches thirst in the short term, but it makes one sick if they drink too much of it.

[–]NoGodsNoLabels0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm okay with women objectifying themselves.

Wouldn't date an object tho.

[–]waxedmintfloss0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I do it. I think it has a net positive effect on society because it provides outlets for people’s needs. I don’t agree with everything that’s resulted from the “sexual revolution “ but now that it’s happened we should take it all the way in lessening stigma against sexually liberal women.

[–]peterlongcLove.Is.The.Drug0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

They better get it while they can because computer generated VR babes will be impossibly more desirable in 3 .. 2....

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Lol you ever tried porn VR?

The least immersive experience I've had in VR.

[–]darudeboysandstormSoup on the stove, bread rising, apple pie0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Really I have never done it, but there was a segment in I think quartersnacks(skateboard magazine some things die easier than others) about how awesome it was and it made me wanna try it out. Sad if it sucks lol.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its still your had on the dick. I'm holding out for the sexbot revolution. Need around 10 generations before they're ready though.

[–]DaphneDK42King of LBFMs-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

A whore by any other name would smell as sweet. I'd date an ex-whore - but it carries a substantial market value down-write.

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