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The RP/Manosphere is making the Beta Bucks an endangered species and many women are going to be screwed.

July 29, 2022
109 upvotes

Say what you will about the red pill community but one thing it has achieved is it informed men about the AF/BB dynamics. Now many men that otherwise would have been Prime BB candidates are refusing to play that role. On the other hand I see women are expecting to give even less to the BB and don't seem to realize that the supply of BB is drying up. I think many women are going to be completely screwed when they need a BB and there just won't be any left.

I still remember a time before the red pill. I remember a lot of guys that used to date single moms or play the role of a BB. I remember guys used to say in private, "damn if I had only met her first". Or things like "she just had bad luck with men". Men seriously used to think that they just had bad luck and now their luck finally turned around.

Fast forward to today and men don't say things like that anymore. Now men are aware that she wasn't a "victim" and she didn't just "had bad luck". Now men say that she was running around and she's only getting with him now that she needs a man to save her. Now I see many men are refusing to save women and are refusing to date single moms.

What has happened is that now the men that would have been a BB in the past have rebranded themselves as a " high value man". Weather or not the women agree, the men now see themselves as the prize. Now they want to have their fun too and are demanding that women bring more.

Many women just don't seem to realize what has happened and seriously expect to bring even less to the table. Many of these women will be left out in the cold as their just isn't as many BB lined up to save them anymore.

P.S. yes I bet that many women don't need a man to save them but many still do.

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Title The RP/Manosphere is making the Beta Bucks an endangered species and many women are going to be screwed.
Author MAGA-Latino
Upvotes 109
Comments 409
Date July 29, 2022 10:00 AM UTC (6 months ago)
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[–]EnteFetzBlackpill Man 79 points80 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

The supply of undesirable men is effectively infinite. There will always be enough desperate men. Women just need to lower their standardsnand they will always find a guy who is willing to give her everything.

[–]HazyMemory7 8 points9 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The supply of undesirable men is effectively infinite.

As is the supply of undesirable women. There's plenty of perpetually single women nobody wants to date.

[–]WorkableSolution 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Surely there's plenty, but nowhere near infinite, which is a justified hyperbole for the supply of undesirable men.

[–]camergen 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of women around that are undesirable. By their own admission, they’re often “invisible”- and not just in dating contexts. Think about all those studies where people in service industries offer better service to attractive people. Overweight women are everywhere and you may not even notice them. Most of this sub, despite what they claim “I’ll accept anybody” etc- are desiring the same relatively small subset of women. To put it bluntly, think about how many fat, trashy women are out there in working class communities- it’s a LOT. The guys who don’t have much luck dating are just a little more visible.

[–]EnteFetzBlackpill Man 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nope. Where are they hiding? I can't find them.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

🤣

[–]EnteFetzBlackpill Man 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Maybe there are messed up girls who really nobody wants to date, but they can still easily get free attention and sex from decently looking guys just for the fact that they have a vagina.

[–]cliffthegeneralpeas 6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

short male has his own standards😤😤

[–]EnteFetzBlackpill Man 9 points10 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

How? Short men either stay alone forever or settle for whatever is left for them. That is simply how it is.

[–]NoOne_143No Pill 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Or some short men get together with women who share same values and pull her own weight

Desperation has nothing to do with height.

[–]EnteFetzBlackpill Man 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You don't seem to be a short man. Women don't give short men a chance. A girl once told me to my face that I am not tall enough to be her boyfriend. When I told her that is stupid and shallow she called me stupid and was offended by me suggesting that she should give short guys a chance. As if that would imply I am questioning her worth as a woman.

[–]SweUnited 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You're clueless. Many friends of mine are short and they get game on the regular

[–]Prryapus 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I got a short mate that pulls hotties on the regular

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Everyone does, supposedly

[–]RocinanteCoffee 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You describe "standards" but it's about compatibility. I'm not going to pretend there is chemistry with someone when they are not. And what I find undesireable in a man other women might get starry-eyed over.

[–]xzpwMoneypilled 109 points110 points  (66 children) | Copy Link

I think women are making BB extinct in itself. It’s a mutual effort. Again - 1%er here and no woman gives a flying fuck about it. Literally not even a little. I know women who make less than 1/10th of what I do and they still don’t even consider it.

Women earn the same as men these days as long as they’re working the same job. If they cared about money - they would make it themselves. But since you see many women still lining up for poorly paid positions far more often than men (like teachers) then you’ll be able to recognize it’s a non-priority.

BB is going extinct but it ain’t because of RP. It’s cause women can earn their own and want a man who is more sexually exciting.

[–]resultsmatter1 37 points38 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep - this. If you pull this string far enough we’ll get to a point maybe where there will be trophy husbands.

Being financially successful is no longer the predictor of success in the dating market it was in eras gone by.

[–]beautifultomatillo2 44 points45 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The reason BB is going extinct is because young women outearn young men. Not because of some basement dwelling neckbeards. All of civilised society doesn’t take any manosphere garbage seriously

[–]peteypete78 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

because young women outearn young men

A small % in certain cities do.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You’re confusing red pill with incels. Common mistake

[–]SnooWalruses689 14 points15 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don’t think that’s true at especially if you look at the vast amount of women trained in careers that do not pay nearly as well as a skilled trade

[–]AngelsMuse 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yet if any woman here brings up the wage gap, or someone mentions alimony, half this sub is suddenly preaching equality and how women are out-earning men.

It can't be both.

[–]cherrysoupsuxBlue Pill Woman 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally anyone that has a half healthy social life doesn't believe in that shit.

[–]smegma_enthusiastAudience Member 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I came to say this. Well put.

[–]OhmaygahhGeriatric GigaChad 10 points11 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

I'm of two minds on this. On the one hand, there's a innocent naïve sucker born everyday. As long as there is men alive, there will never be a shortage of unsuccessful heterosexual men that are pathetic with women and whom try to attract them with money and gifts.

At the same time, I've noticed most women live a life of least resistance. It's not even that they earn as much, or more than most men, it's that left to their own devices women, generally speaking, are perfectly content with subsisting on the bare minimum to survive.

It's civilization, and by extension, harnessing the productivity of undesirable men that insisted on making men go out into the world and find wealth and treasure so that they can hope to attract a long term mate.

When you flatten the economic reasons for those type of women who may be attracted to wealth, you put women's sexuality back to their primitive state... which is just fuck the hottest looking guy. And if she cares about companionship, make sure to shack up with a stable-ish dude later in life. If she doesn't care? Books and wine in the south of France when her sexual career is over.

That's it. That's women's secret sauce.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 23 points24 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

bare minimum bar to survive

I completely disagree. Women are far more likely to be excessive in consumption than men are.

[–]OhmaygahhGeriatric GigaChad 14 points15 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Only if she's spending someone else's money. If it's her own money. From what I lived and seen, they work only as hard as they need to. No more.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I still don't agree with the overall premise that women spend less. Women will deliberately live check to check on horrible wages in HCOL areas simply because they want the lifestyle. It's why they'll go to overpriced brunch houses every weekend too (so they can post on their Instagram stories).

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[–]Poisongirl5No Pill 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yet men pay for almost all of pornography sold, talk about excessive consumption

[–]Liberated_Asexual 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Using a very niche component of consumption? That's your argument?

[–]YveisGrey 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Idk he may be onto something I work in NYC I see women who make like 50k a year single and childless in their mid 30s and beyond seemingly perfectly content. For whatever reason they don’t even seem pressed about finding a man or having kids. It’s so different to what is often parroted in these circles online. If anything at this point men who are less desirable might have better luck with the single moms if they want to play BB because those women have some need for the extra money and most of the time dudes can get a child out of a single mom.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

50k in NYC is the sign of an oblivious consumerist dopamine slave regardless of gender.

I'm sure that obliviousness contributes to their contentment. Let's not forget all of the rich kids living off of daddy in NYC, so they can keep getting those Instagram likes.

Also, just because someone seems like they're happy and content doesn't actually mean they are. Should we assume everyone is perfectly content when they say they're fine in response to someone asking how they're doing?

[–]Acaciduh 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

NGL if I ever get divorced - books and wine in the South of France sound fine by me!

[–]cherrysoupsuxBlue Pill Woman 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They sound fine to me now too lmao

[–]antlindzfam 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same, girl.

[–]RufflesLaysCheetohs1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Why is that women who are single with no kid after 40 years old are more unhappy or depressed? That’s not sauce that’s poison.

[–]LivePossible 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most people hit emotional dips in midlife but increase in happiness as they age after that. Typically women will live for another 40 years. There’s also menopause and how that shifts desires and biological imperatives. The idea that a woman’s life is basically a black hole over 40 if she is unmarried and childless is kind of silly (like divorce and inattentive kids are never a thing) Life goes on and women tend to be very resilient. Many studies affirm this.

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[–]camergen 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think making money successfully, for either gender, is a lot harder than you think. It’s not as simple as “if they cared about money-they would make it themselves”. Making money is hard. Even if you go the “trophy wife” route, getting that physical look takes time and resources (clothing, cosmetics, access to venues to meet wealthy men, etc). There’s also a million unwritten rules. If Brandine from the trailer park showed up to a high end cocktail bar in hopes of attracting a wealthy man, yet sat their smoking the whole time and talked in her southern drawl about her ex “not wanting to step up and be a real man”, she’s not going to get anywhere even if she’s physically breathtaking. People in general can judge just by looking at you, and Brandine is going to be in shitty flip flops and looney tunes tshirt and may not even get in the door. There’s a million unwritten rules that class and socioeconomic status have.

[–]RearwindowPinecone 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Bro,why lie?short kings will NEVER extinct🥺

[–]Lotus_82 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro calling dudes “kings” is super cringe, I hope you don’t talk like that in real life.

[–]pearllovespink -3 points-2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Teaching as a career has been on the decline for years now. Most school systems are desperate and begging for teachers. I know just as many men who teach. Both sexes gave in because of the pay increase due to the demand for more teachers. It is not their life goal or career but a temporary career move while they go back to school, figure their life out etc.

Women get paid less due to discrimination. There’s an obvious wage gape and it has little to do with women going after poorly paid positions.

[–]xzpwMoneypilled 3 points4 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You’ll have to cite your source sweaty. Cause the wage gap actually doesn’t exist once you control for the type of job.

[–]pearllovespink -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean by “control for that type of job” before I post my stats? What exactly is your point here.

[–]xzpwMoneypilled 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Nurses are mostly women. Surgeons are mostly men. Obvious wage gap. It’s because surgeons are more scarce and valued than nurses. Has little to do with gender.

[–]Liberated_Asexual -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What exactly does 1% track to in annual income?

[–]xzpwMoneypilled 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Depends on your definition. For individuals I believe it’s around $350k to break in. https://dqydj.com/top-one-percent-united-states/ Most stats are given by household income - which is obviously a flawed metric when talking about individuals - and is around $500-550k.

[–]Liberated_Asexual 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you mind telling me what rough range you are in?

[–]xzpwMoneypilled 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The 1%. It literally doesn’t fucking matter dude. Who cares.

[–]badgersonice 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If they cared about money - they would make it themselves.

Yeah, sorry guys, but earning it yourself is way more of a guarantee than a man saying he’ll support you for life because you’re nice and look pretty for now. Sure, some men will keep their word, but others won’t… whereas I will always 100% guaranteed be there to support myself no matter what.

Sorry, but the reality is that women saw how precarious it is so be dependent on a man who may or may not care about you in a few years. Most women know it’s much safer in life to rely on themselves.

[–]KayRay1994 22 points23 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

this is totally the premise of a Revenge of the Nerds movie

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I thought it sounded familiar

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[–]decoy88Is your idiot brain getting fucked by stupid? 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then the title is very on the nose.

[–]RocinanteCoffee 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That rape movie?

[–]MassageGymnist 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This title is what you want to happen

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 52 points53 points  (55 children) | Copy Link

Help me out: did onlyfans, premium snap, and E-gamer girls on Twitch disappear? No?!!
Well how about strip clubs, bikini bars and hooters? No?! Instagram models? No????!!!

What endangered species?

[–]hdksndiisnate all the pills, still digesting 23 points24 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. If anything more women have learned and more women have accepted using sexuality as a means of making money with things like OnlyFans. Women that would never strip in a club will strip behind a selfie.

[–]WOPR-1983 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

But when it comes to marriage are men going to wife up these whores?

Probably not.

Monetizing ones vagina doesn't mean some sucker is going to wife up her tattooed covered ass down the road.

Just because a man will lower himself to P4P doesn't mean he's a complete idiot.

[–]hdksndiisnate all the pills, still digesting 21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

A lot of these women already have boyfriends/husbands (and a lot in ‘open relationships’). They aren’t worried about finding a partner. When you’re attractive enough to make money by selling pictures of your ass you won’t have any trouble finding men willing to marry that ass.

[–]2pumpschump 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Only the desperate men 😂

[–]Gigamon2014No Pill 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

True

[–]WOPR-1983 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or, they just don't know what she's doing when she takes her phone into the bathroom...

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Nah, a lot of the times they were the girls that do both if they have to or will end up stripping in the club. Otherwise they’d be the girls that would but don’t have to cause they are making too much money.
The nice thing about strip climbs is you are literally handed/tossed cash. That can be spent immediately on anything anywhere.

[–]hdksndiisnate all the pills, still digesting 4 points5 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Nah, I’m in my 30’s and in my last job I was hanging out with young 20-somethings 8 hours a day. Of these 7 women, 3 had OnlyFans, one was a stripper + OnlyFans. The other 2 “would never” strip and talked shit on the stripper girl (who ironically was the most shy of the lot). I actually found out she was a stripper/OnlyFans when I came across her tinder account while swiping & it had links/info & pics of her. I never would’ve known. But point being the other 2 had boyfriends and did OnlyFans like Instagram, for fun.

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Cooool!

this sounds like a bedtime story a Frat guy would tell but as a joke

[–]decoy88Is your idiot brain getting fucked by stupid? -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What was your last job?

[–]pearllovespink 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You mentioned your age but how old were they? The stripper/Onlyfans phenomenon seems to be a thing with younger girls. I’m talking about the Gen Z crowd.

[–]No_Exercise_8670 9 points10 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

You're not BB unless you marry.

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 11 points12 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

6200 marriages a day on average. I’m guessing not all of them are Chad.

[–]-ImmortalOrochi-So Red so Godly 4 points5 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Marriage is at a historical low.

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 2 points3 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Maybe cause people started going “hey: why are we bringing church AND State into our sex lives?!”

I mean I get why I did it: but if you step back it doesn’t make sense.

[–]CHEEKY_CUNT1 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Says who lol. Anyone who’s coughing up the cash and not getting the ass is beta bucks.

[–]CHEEKY_CUNT1 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This is what I’m saying. If anything beta bucks are at an all time high - so much so that they came up with a new word for it “simp”. And “simp” is way more mainstream of a term than “beta bucks” ever was/will be

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let’s merge them: simp bucks. Or Sucks

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

How long will that last?

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Let’s see: strip clubs have been around since before my time. Hooters are still a niche draw. And social media does not show any signs of slowing down. So, forever probably? I mean if the pandemic couldn’t kill these businesses what can?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No how will it last for those women? Also many of those women don't make any money. I used to date a stripper and she told me how some girls would only make like $50 a night.

[–]Lift_and_LurkNo Pill 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It doesn’t have to. Just like being a busboy or pro story isn’t a permanent thing these aren’t “careers” forever. Get paid while you can is the name of the game.
And your girl either was working the wrong hours or days or her club was screwing her over or something. My ex paid for her schooling and her half of her rent. A good Friday night could cover a moths expenses if the place was packed.

[–]Kobe_curry24 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Great point

[–]Ok-Map-7596 27 points28 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You know there will always be men who want to have a family but are hardly attractive right?

[–]RearwindowPinecone 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

are they short kings?🥺

[–]WorkableSolution 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't get this, is this some sort of meme? If so I'm out of the loop

[–]LivePossible -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]Cephalan1 points [recovered] (26 children) | Copy Link

You spend too much time online

[–]Sigma19791 points [recovered] (21 children) | Copy Link

Marriage rates are dropping, OP is right. You don't know what you're talking about.

[–]Catherine7720231 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

People talk about marriage rates dropping and only talk by about men not wanting marriage but never think if part of the reason is women not wanting marriage or both delaying marriage. Lots of women want to wait until they’re ready for marriage. Oil i

[–]Sigma19791 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Lots of women want to wait until they’re ready for marriage.

Lots of women are going to be waiting until they die now.

Because a lot of men are having none of it, and it's in response to what women are doing.

[–]beautifultomatillo21 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

The men that are “having none of it” are significantly outnumbered. If you look at the data more men are single and looking than women

[–]TodoBienTodoBonito1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

Considering that there are about a billion possible reasons for the marriage rate to drop, that's pretty weak evidence for OP being right

[–]Sigma19791 points [recovered] (11 children) | Copy Link

The only thing the OP might be wrong about is the RP/Manosphere causing this, as it doesn't take much for a logical man to see that marriage is an awful idea in the modern era.

[–]TodoBienTodoBonito1 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

The only thing the OP might be wrong about is the RP/Manosphere causing this

So literally the entire premise of their thread?

Yeah, I mean, I'm happy to agree there

[–]Cult_of_Chad1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

You don't?

[–]Cephalan1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

I keep one foot in the real world, it stops me from making posts like this.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]toasterchild 40 points41 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

You guys are so stuck on this revenge fantasy that you can't see past it. Who cares of someone who didn't plan for their own future is going to get screwed? They aren't getting screwed by men they are getting screwed by their own poor choices.

[–]cmchunk 28 points29 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That’s totally how I read this post too. This reads like some guys fucked up fictional novel where he’s the main character.

[–]toasterchild 26 points27 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because in their minds women aren't actual people unless they are doing something that involves men.

[–]Peacesquad 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hmmm

[–]OfSpock 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And it's not even revenge. Instead of marrying a single mother, they now stay single and don't get married instead? Maybe they prefer it, but the alternative is singlehood and no children instead of a wife and two stepchildren and two children.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -4 points-3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's not a revenge fantasy. I actually feel sorry for women that couldn't see the writing on the wall.

[–]toasterchild 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Every woman under that age of 50 has been given the opportunity to make something for herself. The only ones I would bother feeling sorry for are the one's whose families actually dissuaded them from doing anything positive with their lives.

[–]beautifultomatillo2 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Don’t feel bad for us. A lot of women wouldn’t be happier if they didn’t have to be a domestic and sexual slave for a man

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -4 points-3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm sure many women will agree. I just think many more women will rather have a BB than work and support themselves. Even my girl sounded like you until she got comfortable not having to work.

[–]toasterchild 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

A lot of people of either gender will get comfortable if given the opportunity to not work. I'm super curious why someone who posts about men wising up and avoiding being beta bux would keep someone financially? This doesn't compute.

[–]neolib-cowboy 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think the women are "screwed" cuz a lot of women seem fine being single even into their 30s and 40s. Especially with female liberation, women can go get a career and survive without a man.

[–]StayingVeryVeryCalm 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I feel like a lot of people on here seem to think women are just holding out for an impossible partner; but I was once single for 8 years, and that was because I was terrified that I would accidentally choose someone like the last person I had dated.

It seems possible to me that women just take longer on average to work up the nerve to try again after a really unpleasant relationship.

(I definitely acknowledge that men can be victims of domestic abuse too, and I know that men sometimes swear off relationships just the same; I just wonder if the swearing off of relationships lasts as long with men, and if it’s as common.)

[–]Altruistic_Waitz 23 points24 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Is this intentional comedy?

[–]cherrysoupsuxBlue Pill Woman 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It must be

[–]ReferenceImpossible2 19 points20 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Bro literally nobody knows about the dumb shit we talk about on this sub besides a handful of people.

Reddit != real life. In terms of people, ideologies, or beliefs.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

RP content has over a million subscribers on YouTube. Not to mention the ripple effects.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 14 points15 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Let’s see world population is 8 billion, yeah that YouTube channel reaching 0.0125% is gonna do some serious damage thank you for the warning! I’ll be sure to warn all the single moms in my next evil harpies meeting so they know their plan has a finite time of still working!

[–]antlindzfam 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The perfect response. Let me know when the meeting is, fam, bc I’m shivering me timbers.

[–]AidsVictim 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Say what you will about the red pill community but one thing it has achieved is it informed men about the AF/BB dynamics.

TRP is a niche internet thing. Generously 5 or 10% of younger men are vaguely aware of it. Maybe 1% actually ever directly read the material.

But the culture overall has shifted. Few people that aren't religious and/or coming from very conservative backgrounds are interested in the "traditional" model centered around BB. This isn't due to TRP but reality repeatedly kicking men in the face and mainstream culture emphasizing individualistic thinking (i.e. get yours and fuck everyone else) and traditional models hardly existing in popular media anymore except stuff aimed squarely at boomers.

I think many women are going to be completely screwed when they need a BB and there just won't be any left.

Why would they be screwed? They can earn about the same as men in their class, they don't need a BB and the government can help cover childcare costs.

Lots of women are not socialized to desire a BB outcome or have need of them.

What has happened is that now the men that would have been a BB in the past have rebranded themselves as a " high value man". Weather or not the women agree, the men now see themselves as the prize. Now they want to have their fun too and are demanding that women bring more.

They can demand whatever they want. Men that are actually high value are quite rare. It's mostly a bunch of dudes making low 6 figures pretending they're "high value" as a means to claim some identity beyond BB. Not many women are going to bite that line.

However I think eventually the situation will reverse. Many people in the West don't yet realize they're in the downward slope of a civilization economically and culturally for many reasons. Individualistic lifestyles are only possible with a certain threshold of material plenty and cultural freedom. As conditions worsen people will become more and more reliant on social networks to survive - robust ones are only sustainable in BB oriented societies. Women will be the hardest hit by this as service sector and make work office jobs start disappearing and government subsidies (for childcare etc) become increasingly anemic. Manual labour which has been so devalued and destroyed in the current paradigm (which benefits women) is likely to become more and more central economically.

The West has been living too long on the equivalent of pay day loans selling out it's future economically and culturally and the bills are just starting to come due.

[–]JollyFawn90 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What I get from your post is that women only flock to what they perceive are “low level” men purely for survival. So when the heck are men gonna respect themselves more and say fck those love level women who have no respect for us outside of their own selfish interest. If we stop the narrative that we need women, then we can have that same power too. And when sht hits the fan and they really need us, we say fck em again, because we’ve learned we don’t need women like they think we do. I know I sure don’t. I’d rather be alone than be with some soul sucker who leeches to me out of desperation. So lucky to have someone who is actually a good person, which from what I read all over these threads, seems to be the minority.

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would they be screwed? They can earn about the same as men in their class

Married women earn 20-30k less than same age married men, depending on age.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women need a man to support them it's biology. You can't change that. When women get older and they don't have a man to support they literally just fall apart.

But whatever if they want to be spinsters then go for it.

[–]Fiestygirl000 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Mmm disagree on the manual labor part. Trust me we will be moving to a more automation society. Those blue collar jobs are exiting. Now trade jobs like plumbing, etc will stay.

[–]AidsVictim 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

That depends on the economic dynamics of the future. In a world where energy becomes increasingly expensive or catalyst inputs become rarer human labour input can actually increase in areas like farming or manufacture.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I thought this sub claimed that less men going to college meant that there would be no Beta Bucks since men wouldn't have the necessary income to attract women?

If men aren't using avenues to raise their income, how will they be a Beta Bucks if women are out preforming them in education and job growth?

I thought the narrative was that schools are sexist and bias against boys, thus ruining the future economic opportunities for boys?

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

how will they be a Beta Bucks if women are out preforming them in education and job growth?

Having a piece of paper doesn't always translate to higher income. I think it's hilarious when women think so highly of themselves just because they have a degree.

Women are overrepresented in majors with poorer job prospects like social work and psychology, men are overrepresented in majors with better job prospects like engineering and finance. And men dominate skilled trades which pay quite well without requiring a bachelor's degree.

Even with all the affirmative action you get, men still outearn women.....

[–]gofigure62No Pill 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Then why does this sub complain about men performing poorly in schools and not seeking college education if it isn't a problem?

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then why does this sub complain about men performing poorly in schools

Yeah well this sub isn't a hivemind.

And a big part of the reason boys perform worse in school is because teachers discriminating against us when they're grading. That's a BIG problem.

[–]DrugDoer9000 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s been a while since I’ve been in school, but even then over 90% of my school’s teachers were women. Academia as whole is skewing feminine which is the last thing angsty teenage boys want to associate with. The system is gender discriminatory, just not in the way popular media would portray it.

That being said, most degrees are liabilities and unreliable predictors of earning potential. It’s mind blowing to me that the woke movement is pushing for student loan forgiveness when US college grads are already among the most privileged people to ever walk this planet.

My immigrant working class parents would’ve aborted me when I was a HS Junior for even entertaining the thought of majoring in liberal arts.

[–]Vtridolla 25 points26 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Lmao 😂 go outside cabrón if anything the growth of RP and internet weirdos is just turning women off of men entirely.

[–]Best_Illustrator_137 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I keep sayin, like this is all internet sht and do these people actually think like that in real life..like ofc your getting no pussy wit weirdo sht like this..

[–]RyanShreds_ 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

for real. I don’t know how people unironically believe in this shit lmao 😂

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Lmao 😂 go outside cabrón if anything the growth of RP and internet weirdos is just turning women off of men entirely.

Keep coping dude, TRP ideas are pretty mainstream among guys. After all, it's just frat boy folk wisdom repackaged for guys that aren't chads. It's just not something that polite mainstream media covers.

"Nice guys finish last" is a popular saying. Andrew Tate has many RP ideas and he's all over social media RN. There's also this popular youtuber Jack Denmo who does videos in Canadian colleges and college towns and a lot of what he says about women is pretty RP.

[–]Vtridolla 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Yes internet ideologies exist on the internet. We agree, though I don’t believe it’s getting anyone laid. I would assume quite the opposite. Andrew Tate is a good entertainer though, I doubt he believes half the shit he says though. He just banking off a market of disenfranchised feeling young men.

He’s a business man with a sense of humor, like Kevin Samuels.

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes internet ideologies exist on the internet.

We live in the digital age. Everyone uses the internet. How old are you, 70?

We agree, though I don’t believe it’s getting anyone laid. I would assume quite the opposite.

You're wrong

He just banking off a market of disenfranchised feeling young men.

He is, that doesn't mean the things he's saying are factually incorrect.

[–]Vtridolla 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not even half that age yet.

I don’t know why you claimed I was wrong then linked the Incel wiki. Are you agreeing with me?

I don’t know, he doesn’t seem to be getting a lot of things right. He claimed men are better drivers than women, that was proven false objectively speaking. He claimed men had higher IQ, that was proven false, from what I’ve seen when it comes to objective truths he doesn’t really come to bat. Now his self help things I can agree with. Do push ups clean your room, get your money up. Absolutely couldn’t hurt.

It’s when you attempt to dehumanize half the population of humans where you lose me. Women are just humans trying to live. They aren’t inherently evil bootys-women hiding under your bed waiting for you to let your guard down so they can drain your insides and string your empty corpse around the house like Christmas decorations. No need to treat them or refer to them as such.

[–]CodeRaveSleepRepeat1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

I just discovered this sub and you are all insane.

[–]todo_pasa_1 points [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link

Oh wait till you start reading about "government subsidised dating apps" "do you have any tips for seducing women with daddy issues?" "let's have segregated communities"

(2 of this were posts from yesterday alone lmao)

[–]Acaciduh1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

“A rise in Facism could help Betas in the dating market” A thought I saw this week lmao

[–]todo_pasa_1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

another comment "the fact that women were sold for money as slaves to harems doesn't mean they weren't consenting to it"

[–]overandunderX1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

My favorite “men have zero responsibility to their children because they have no abortion rights”

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Do not troll.

[–]heartheartdoki96 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

LOL fucking a, please

This is what people mean when they say you guys hate women..you can't even fucking do self improvement without it being centered around punishing women and wanting to see them screwed. Fucking pathetic guys

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I'm just pointing out a trend I see. I didn't create it.

[–]heartheartdoki96 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No, you're just making up shit because you hate women.

Red pill is all about hating women, and yeah you definitely contribute lol

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This must be that mind reading power that allows women to avoid hot men who are abusive. Oh wait…

[–]renfsu 20 points21 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

There will always be betas. Truly attractive men are not as common as attractive women. Yet truly attractive women aren't exactly common either.

Betas will never be an endangered species. It takes work to be attractive to many women. Red pill doesn't make men "alpha". You need to take out the good, leave the bad, and improve yourself in reality. Plenty of red pill betas still stuck in the anger phase

[–]TodTheRod01 9 points10 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

OP didnt say betas will be extinct....he said betas will chose to participate less and less

[–]renfsu 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Even then. I disagree. That desire to mate will always be there. Sure the angry beta won't approach women as excitedly as before, but those guys are still gonna shoot their shot once in a while.

[–]TodTheRod01 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

i mean there's a reason LESS and LESS marriages are happening, as well as mgtow being a thing...

[–]renfsu 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Betas giving up is unlikely to be the case for that. Women dating based on wants not needs in addition to people being shut ins more often are bigger contributors

[–]GlowingAsItDazzlesLVW 17 points18 points  (72 children) | Copy Link

US women are becoming their own beta bux and OOW childbirth will just keep rising in all classes but UMC/UC. lower class men are worthless drains and a danger to lower class women and they are better off without them anyway. in the upper classes marriage will always be required

[–]El_Tigrex 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

US women are becoming their own beta bux

The federal government is serving as BB for women collectively

[–]badgersonice -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How unpleasant are these men if women are choosing something as shitty and dysfunctional as the government over them?

[–]prettykit11 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

I technically come from an UC background I guess, I had to look that up to see if I was UMC or UC. Although I wouldn't have thought so because I don't come from a super snobby family.

I don't see why "low class" women look down on "low class" men. These men are your peers. Why look down on them? Why not get married and work your way up together? Find a good one and do it together. We're just talking about backgrounds here, not someone's future potential.

[–]TheRedPillRipperAn open mind opens doors. 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

why “low class” women look down

It’s not that they look down. It’s that they look up, and nowhere else. Until their options shrink.

[–]GlowingAsItDazzlesLVW 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

i didnt say "look down" im not really sure why none of you cant read

[–]prettykit11 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

lower class men are worthless drains and a danger to lower class women and they are better off without them anyway

How is this not looking down at someone?

[–]GlowingAsItDazzlesLVW 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

its a literal description of how lower clas smen and women operate. the man is usualy wanted on a warrant or on disability or cant get work because of drug tests and smokes weed on her couch while she works and gets assistance

[–]Vigeto619 9 points10 points  (56 children) | Copy Link

Lol what does a lower class woman bring to the table in this case?

[–]brightglowup1 points [recovered] (29 children) | Copy Link

Lol what does a lower class woman bring to the table in this case?

What all women do. In contrast lower class men bring stress, violence, depression, abuse, and are an all around drain if he produces nothing.

[–]Vigeto619 5 points6 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

“What all women do.” Do you mean a hole?

[–]cherrysoupsuxBlue Pill Woman 8 points9 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Lovely how you see women like this and then wonder why you are so lonely it's actually crippling to the people around you. Just get a flesh light at this point.

[–]social_mulemgtow 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do you mean a hole?

Three holes if she's adventurous.

[–]cherrysoupsuxBlue Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Money is not a thing your bring to the table in a relationship. Neither a car or a house. Yall just never had a close relationship with someone and IT SHOWS. Sex is also not something to bring to the table.

You know what is something that relationships require? Companionship. This is what both sides need to bring. This is the only requirement and the only thing to bring. Literally. This. Is. It. Not looks, not status, not "alpha male attitude", not submission. This is literally it. It's the only common thing everyone is looking for when in search for a long term partner.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The irony of you shaming men for not having been in a relationship or having sex and then also in the same comment saying that sex is not something that is brought to the table in a relationship

Lmao

[–]cherrysoupsux1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

Where tf did i shame anyone for not having sex or a romantic relationship? Im talking about human connection. If you think that way it is adamantly clear no one suffers your ass.

Do you do this often? Feed your own skewed perception of reality with an unpleasant fantasy that pushes you further down your misery hole, so you can have a nice whine party event about it later?

People will shame other people for collecting anime figurines, does that mean that convincing your partner to get rid of anime figurines or destroying them is something to bring to the table in a relationship?

Do you think women don't also want to have sex? Lmao.

Do you really only want to have sex so random people on reddit won't shame you?

If you feel loved and respected in a relationship (so, you have companionship), you will want to have sex with your partner. Sex is not something you do to convince someone to love you. Sex is an act you do with someone that also wants to do it. You share your most vulnerable state with them. Some men are impotent and still have realtionships. That does not mean their partners have no value in their eyes. The moment you think sex is something your partner brings to the table it is adamantly clear you lack human connection. Like, what do you get from your homies then? Or your father? Or your aunt? Do you also expect sex with them? Or is it the human connection you enjoy? Do you want to peg your homies or do you hang out with them because you genuinely care for them, you find them to be likeable, they care for you, they make you laugh, your friendship is based on trust, you have fond memories together, you feel like they would help you and you enjoy helping them?

You either think that the sole purpose of relationships with people around you is sex or believe all women can offer is sex, which is really fucking disturbing. Both. Actually, the first one is way worse. I literally pray that this was a misogynistic statement and you don't think every human connection needs to be sexual... jesus. Like, do you also expect your future kids to do that? How about your dog... oh my fucking god im about to puke.

[–]Vigeto619 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dont tell me tell the one who made the initial comment.

[–]HinduProphet 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

The Womb and Eggs.

Sperms are cheap, abundant and are often given away for free.

[–]Vigeto619 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

And if you dont want kids?

[–]HinduProphet1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

As a woman ? Sounds like you no longer deserve your special woman card as you are essentially not more valuable than a dude, since you choose to consciously not utilize your reproductive potential to contribute to society.

[–]GlowingAsItDazzlesLVW 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

thats up to men, im not talking about them, im talking about womens lives

[–]Vigeto619 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Its relevant because if your saying a low class man is low value and not worth it then a low class woman thats low value would be the perfect match.

[–]GlowingAsItDazzlesLVW 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

i sai dlow class men are a drain on women and a danger to them. this is a fact. lower class women dont need a "match" they ar ebette roff withotu men in their homes. men still want bangmaids so women will always have value to them

[–]cliffthegeneralpeas -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

why lie?short males are HVM,they are not BB🥺

[–]HinduProphet -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

OOW ? UMC/UC ? Upper middle class and Upper class ?

Lower class men can be protectors if the environment is very volatile.

[–]GlowingAsItDazzlesLVW 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

OOW=out of wedlock, yes to umc/uc

lower class men in the west are what lower class women need the state to protect them from, they perform no role other than sex and compaionship for a little while and are a danger to lower class women and their children and a drain on them

[–]HinduProphet 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

And who is the state essentially ?

The State is just a manager of lower class men and uses them as labour to do the dirty work, the risky jobs and as a cannon fodder.

If all the lower class men unite under a common banner and revolt against the system then there won't be any state to protect you from them.

[–]pearllovespink -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What is the likelihood of that happening? Slim to none.

[–]GlowingAsItDazzlesLVW 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol

[–]GhostofCamus 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The economy has done more damage to beta bucks than some bloggers could ever hope to, and these newly sentient men you seem to be seeing will forget all that stuff the next time a chick smiles at him.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I think there's a lot of truth in your comment.

[–]HinduProphet 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How though.

Elaborate please.

[–]GhostofCamus 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Simple matter of income disparity. There are less bucks for betas. It's all in The Mass Psychology of Fascism. drunken belch Incels are created intentionally by the ruling class so there will always be a supply of suicide bombers.

[–]cunningcaring1 points [recovered] (8 children) | Copy Link

You are seriously misinformed.

[–]MAGA-Latino1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

No it's many people on this sub that are just too young to have experienced this. I work in healthcare where all the 30+ women are desperately trying to compete for the few available HVM.

[–]Head-Language-29771 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

And if they can’t get HVM, they tend to choose to stay single?

[–]MAGA-Latino1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

They tend to enjoy being single now that women need them.

[–]beautifultomatillo21 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

This is literally a revenge fantasy and you’re doing a terrible job at hiding it.

There’s research on this, more men 30+ want a partner and can’t find one than there single women that want a partner

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure buddy , walk outside for awhile in neighborhoods. Go to Walmart , Lowe's, grocery stores . Your hypothesis isn't real world reality.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Tell this to all the Reddit threads about how lonely men are

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 4 points5 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Ask them again in 10 years.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 3 points4 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

If they are lonely? What do you expect will happen?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

They'll have a bunch of lonely women to choose from. Which will need them more than they need them.

[–]localmicrodosechamp 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Where are those lonely women going to magically appear from?

[–]Impossible-Bank-1697 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Are the lonely women choing choose them tho ?

[–]cdclopper 16 points17 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Let's call it a given that much off what trp believes about women is scientifically accurate. Doesn't to me explain why men use trp to slay pussy rather than get a good woman and keep her happy. The real victims here are the kids who's alfa fux father isn't around. It's a chauvinistic pig attitude. Why not use your alpha-ness, your such a big strong man, to make the world a better place rather than to get your jollies off? It's a pathetic existence, when you think about it.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Doesn't to me explain why men use trp to slay pussy rather than get a good woman and keep her happy.

That is the goal for many. They just don't want to do it as a BB.

The real victims here are the kids who's alfa fux father isn't around.

That's the flip side of AF that nobody seems to think about. The AF often gets kicked to the curb when she decides she wants a provider. Either a man or the government. I know plenty of AF men that lost their families to BB government.

[–]pearllovespink 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You’re not a real man if you have another man taking care of your kids. There’s nothing alpha about that.

[–]2pumpschump 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are the main ones breaking up families and having men raise other mens kids

[–]pearllovespink 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

He was referring to “alpha men” red pillers that just fuck women. They never had a family to begin with. They’re sperm donors.

Women file for divorce but they’re not the sole reason for divorce. That narrative is bullshit and needs to stop.

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I have no duty to uphold moral in this world, no man does. You make the world a better place bc u want to. The moment you get on the internet telling other men theyre weak for not changing the world instead of just doing it yourself, you equalize yourself with the men you complain about

[–]cdclopper 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Did I hurt your feelings? If I did I'm sorry.

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yep and that apology made it all better. You have such a way with words

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true. Women shame men for not doing the things they want men to do and then they’re confused when men stop worrying about impressing the women or making them happy

[–]2pumpschump1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Feminine dudes are something else

[–]HazyMemory7 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Trp men generally aren't irresponsible enough to impregnate a woman they don't want to start a family with.

[–]cdclopper 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah ok

[–]johnny_is_home(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your avatar isn't fooling anyone. We all know a woman wrote this.

[–]cdclopper 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You got me bro, lol. It's a grand scheme i have to convince everybody on reddit that Im a man. I dont see how you figured it out. Well done.

[–]brettugly1234 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That’s good though. Why should someone ever be with someone they’re not attracted to?

[–]Aston77 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most people out there don’t know and never heard of the RP/Manosphere. Women nowadays have higher standards and ask for more from their partners because they are in a better socioeconomic position than at any other point in history.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well the red pill spills over into other areas of life. I constantly see RP ideas in places that isn't RP.

Women nowadays have higher standards and ask for more from their partners because they are in a better socioeconomic position than at any other point in history.

You do know that most women don't have careers in corporate. They are much more women that still need a provider. What we've been seeing is high earning women just getting left behind in the SMP. It's a known fact that the more a woman earns the higher the chances of her staying single.

Because why would a man want a 6-7 just because she has a degree when the waitress is much hotter?

[–]Aston77 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

High earners are not left behind, most of them just choose careers over relationships. So they are single by choice. And less and less women need a provider, so a relationship is no longer important for their very survival. And the hot waitress you are talking about is not to be chosen. She’s the one choosing because she surely has a lot of men to choose from.

[–]shockedpikachu1231 points [recovered] (7 children) | Copy Link

Thank God this kind of stuff stays on Reddit and podcasts. Most men are not like this in real life

[–]MAGA-Latino1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

No are wrong. The RP proved it was a force IRL when they were able to tank Gillette's sales. Remember that these men are actual people IRL.

[–]Odysseus_Wolf1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

are you sure that wasn't just the result of a brand that gave itself the image of being the mans mans razor. and then completely destroying any image it had by telling all men their disgusting monsters?

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please check the post flair and repost your comment under the automod if necessary.

[–]scwizard 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So many revenge fantasies like this with no basis in fact.

[–]Poly_frolicher 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is just another post that makes me laugh. Think yourself whatever value you want. If you want a wife and family, or even a fuck-buddy, you have to find someone who agrees to that, and you don’t get to make the “value” judgement, the market does.

The entire RP is a bunch of sour grapes and I stay around to laugh at you. Meanwhile I continue to live the life you all get so pissed about. And I’m turning 57 in about a week and am 50 pounds over-weight. Oh, and I can fully take care of myself, but the men in my life make me happy. If anyone stops being happy, they can walk away.

[–]MembershipPlus2082 10 points11 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

It's already happened in the past few years.

50% of women above 30 are now childless, single mom rates are climbing. Also, the marriage rate, which measures the number of marriages per 1,000 people is at 5.1 marriages per 1,000, the lowest is has ever been since 1963.

I'm myself one of those BB I suppose. I'll most like keep being single rather than settle for a 35+ single woman who had her fun.

[–]Jambi1913 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

How about 35+ women who didn’t “have their fun” (because sleeping around wasn’t what they ever considered fun)?

[–]MembershipPlus2082 -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Personally, I don't find most 35+ women attractive. I think most men value youth and it's hardwired into men's brains to look for a younger fertile mate.

I don't blame anyone else besides me. I should have spend less time working and making money, and more time into relationships.

[–]Jambi1913 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Then it’s not about a woman having “had her fun” - it’s about not wanting older women plain and simple, right?

A 21 year old could be far more “used up” in terms of body count and the emotional toll it might have taken on her- but most guys only care about that when they see the woman as “past it” in terms of youth and looks. It really has little to do with morality or the sense that a woman has been jaded by past men - it’s all to do with wanting a young woman and seeing woman past a certain age as unattractive, no matter how virtuous and compatible with a man personally they might be. It makes sense given what we see all around us of men rewarding literal sugar babies and hookers with attention, affection, gifts and money - it’s not at all about not wanting “used up women” or women who have dared to “have fun” - it’s about only wanting young women.

And I’ve had men here argue that women are more shallow, lol.

[–]MembershipPlus2082 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Most average women can choose to "have fun" or not in their 20's, but most average men, like me, didn't have that luxury. I can't just create a profile on tinder and find "hookups" like most women.

Yes, I'm saying that most men find younger women more attractive. It's a fact and in some way, I don't think men can even control that. It's an evolutionary feature designed to help men find healthy women that can "make babies".

On the opposite side, women are designed to look for the highest valued men they can find. That's why it's easier for women to date, because they can alway find a man to date, even if it's casually. There's alway a high value man somewhere looking to date someone, because he can date multiple women at the same time

[–]pearllovespink 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

It still baffles me how you all equate a certain age with promiscuity. Not every woman in her 30’s was or is a hoe.

[–]lkjhgfdsaa 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So mad that a woman who has enjoyed single life, focused on fun, her career, travel and friendships = hoe. Okayyy. Never mind that perhaps a woman just hasn’t met the one at 30?!

[–]pearllovespink 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’ve been in relationships all throughout my 20’s lol. My body count is low. It’s crazy to think I’ll be automatically labeled a hoe as soon as I hit 30.

[–]lkjhgfdsaa 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly!! Someone could be 29 and their finance could leave them. Even still, body count does not equate worth as a partner.

[–]cherrysoupsuxBlue Pill Woman 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I love how men are staying single because a woman has sexual experience And how women stay single for the fear of being abused. Noiiceeee

[–]DerekMorganBAUMrs. Degree's Side Piece 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Stop it those women abuse men who have lesser experiences

[–]cherrysoupsuxBlue Pill Woman 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ya'll seriously need to stop watering down the term abuse.

[–]YveisGrey 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Those women aren’t childless because no one would have kids with them they just didn’t want to have kids likely because doing so is expensive. Also still more women having kids then men, the men are just as single as the women you know since men and women date each other.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm myself one of those BB I suppose. I'll most like keep being single rather than settle for a 35+ single woman who had her fun.

I know a lot of guys refusing to "step up and do the right thing ". Remember that there's plenty of desperate women 35+ that are lonely now. Have your fun with them. Many of them still look good enough to hit.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I’ll most likely keep being single rather than settle for a 35+ single woman who had her fun

Saaaaame here. At this point I’m well fucking aware that my looks are not even close to what’s needed for a guy to have a good dating life, or any dating life at all really. It’s not something I can fix through any kind of self care, so any relationship I do manage to start is going to have me as a beta bux. It’s just not worth it. It’s too depressing. Yes, watching from the sidelines and not trying myself (anymore) is also depressing, but less so. Like you, I’m not interested in being a bailout for a woman who gave herself away freely to other guys during our youth when I was first going through the devastation of learning where I stood merely because of how I was born.

[–]Indubious1 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The only thing that’s changing is men’s ability to point the finger at someone else to blame for their problems. lol women aren’t the problem. Weak men are. If you have to put this much thought into women instead of working on yourself or your goals, you are the problem.

[–]Exciting-Necessary-5 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I agree with this as I was prime BB material before I ran into the redpill.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Me too. So what is your plan now?

[–]Exciting-Necessary-5 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Keep accumulating wealth. Keep focussing on my career, health. Keep self-journaling. I'm also improving on being more social, maintaining eye contact, holding a conversation, and maintaining frame.

Also, learning to take pressure off myself that I have to get married and be a provider. Was raised in traditional household where waiting till marriage was norm. So I'm still a virgin. Going to try to spruce myself up enough where I can lose the dreaded v-card one way or another and get some sex XP points.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds good. I would just like to add that if you find a girl that was there since the beginning, acted right, and believed in you, then that's not being a BB. If they only want you after you got your Money right, then.you take your time and have your fun. They.made you wait so you make them wait. Because once you have everything together, that's when dating is fun.

[–]Ganajin 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I cannot think of a single time in my entire life where I needed a beta bux.

[–]High_Pains_of_WTX 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

hahahahahahahahahahaha

...but seriously, what?

[–]SmarmyPapsmearsMarried but likes to talk shit 11 points12 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Women aren't going to be screwed because women are starting to outearn men. It's just now that they'll have to work 😂

[–]FerretCommercialTx 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

👏👍

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Many women don't want to work that hard. There's also much more women that want to be supported then there is that out earn men.

[–]brightglowup1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Many women don't want to work that hard. There's also much more women that want to be supported then there is that out earn men.

Not sure how yall aren't embarrassed. You're essentially saying that men are so uncompelling and unlovable that they need to rely on laziness to be "needed"

I see why make depression is skyrocketing

[–]AngelsMuse 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I admit I come to PPD to watch the self-owns for fun.

[–]HinduProphet 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men were built for War not Love.

[–]toasterchild 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are also a lot of men who want to be supportive, just because someone wants something doesn't mean you have to give it to them, just say no and let them figure it out themselves.

[–]pearllovespink 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It has nothing to do with not wanting to work hard lmao. Women these days were raised to work just as hard as men. The issue is some of us want families. We need men to marry and start a family with. It’s not that complex.

[–]SmarmyPapsmearsMarried but likes to talk shit 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Of course

[–]womandatory 29 points30 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Women don’t need men nearly as much as men think they do.

Previously, the only things men offered women that they couldn’t have in their own name were money, status, and property, and they were a means to keeping a bloodline.

These days women can earn their own money, own property, achieve their own status. They can also choose a sperm donor or take a vacation to a foreign destination and bring back more baggage by choice and mostly get away with it.

I think that modern men furiously try to gaslight women into accepting the unacceptable in them by fear-mongering historical concerns. Sure, some women still fall for that shit, but I think the vast majority don’t, so we’re seeing a new age of dating/relationships where women are demanding more than ‘has somewhat functioning penis/bank account’ and that’s making the dudes angry.

In my 20s I banged your definition of BB guys who followed me around like puppies, but so did the AF guys. They still do. The more time I spend in this sub, the more I realize it’s male population is mostly young, poorly-informed wannabe RP men, a few BP and genuine PP guys and exactly zero of the AF you all want to believe exist.

Very, very few men actually come close to the defining trope of AF, because young women now want more than hot guys, they want hot guys who earn good coin, can fix stuff when it’s broken, and are emotionally literate.

AF is a myth and you would all do far better to focus on bettering yourselves than worrying about fictional Chad who isn’t Chad at all, because he failed high school, or he’s a lazy shit who can’t wipe his piss off the toilet seat, and women care about that more than anything else dudes think they offer.

[–]HinduProphet 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

To be frank, in the old days, consensual sex was the exception not the norm, that's actually one of the reasons why our ancestors were successful in passing on their genes as compared to today's men, it was because they didn't actually had to deal with natural selection.

[–]womandatory 5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

So you want rape to be legal to fulfil some breeding fetish you have? What the fuck, dude??

[–]HinduProphet 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I was just trying to explain why people are right when they say that modernity has lead to much more fierce sexual selection for men (as compared to past) and how a lot of incel genes or let's say, the non 20% of the dudes managed to pass on their genes in the old times (that's why incel genes exist) unlike today, for the people who claim that things were always like this and incels are whining for no reason at all.

By incel genes, I mean genes which don't result in you being a top tier hunter gatherer, because that's the 20% gold standard.

[–]womandatory 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Given how many ugly, weak, perpetually sick, incompetent people are out there, I’d say there’s a lot of people having kids who rank in the lowest 20% of the gene pool. This completely disproves RP’s nonsense.

Have a look at your own parents, or the parents of your friends to start with. If they were able to pass on their genes, you’ve got a good chance to do it too. Then look at your manager at work, the guy who pumps your gas or the hotdog stand vendor, school bus driver, school janitor, shift supervisor at Walmart, subway ticket officer. The vast majority of them will be, or have been married and had kids. Most of the divorced ones will have been re-partnered at least once. They’re all painfully average people. Still having sex. Still having children.

RP is fearmongering men into treating women badly. It’s not wonder young women don’t want to date. Dress for the job that you want, not the one that you’ve got. If you want to attract an above-average women, be an above-average man. That means treating women with respect and having real world skills, in addition to having a job and taking care of your personal hygiene. The bar is low. The average men out there aren’t hard to beat. If you all put half the effort you expend complaining about this stuff into being better men, you’d be doing better than most, because I can bet you the bus driver and hotdog guy and the janitor and the others aren’t even thinking about it.

[–]HinduProphet 6 points7 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

This is one of the many reasons why so many people aren't happy with the current socio economic order and either want to go back to the good ol patriarchal times (1950s) or want a socialist/communist utopia

Imagine if the women participating in the suffrage movement were dealt with an iron hand just like it happens in Islamic countries or if they had to face something like what happened in China to the pro democratic protestors.

The truth is that a lot of success and achievements of the women's movements can be largely attributed to the world wars and the huge differences in sex ratio that it created.

Why should the men accept this social order when things were much better for them back in the day ?

Yeah, sure, women don't need men, they are expendable because sperms are cheap, abundant and often given away free of cost.

But men are literally the footsoldiers upholding the social order of each and every civilization. Men can actively use violence as a component to shape the social order into what they desire because they have far less to lose as compared to women.

[–]womandatory 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What a crock of shit. When men went to fight wars, it was women who kept the economy going, often working in skilled jobs with no training or qualifications. When women went on strike in Iceland in 1975, the economy ground to a halt in a day, much the same happened in Poland a couple of years ago. It’s also women’s unpaid labor that enabled men of the 50s to do paid work and that still isn’t being recognized.

You say men don’t want to accept the new social order because it was ‘better for them’ back in the old days? Well guess what? Women don’t want to go back there because it’s better for us now.

If we returned to the 1950s style of living, most young men in western countries at least, wouldn’t last a week.

No fucking around, no video games, no porn, hard fucking labor 6-7 days a week followed by more hard labor at home because one income isn’t enough to keep a family fed, pay a mortgage, run a car and do home repairs, no living in mom’s basement because she can’t afford to keep you.

The fact is, modern young men are soft and modern young women are offering more in relationships than ever before when men are offering the least they ever have. Maybe instead of bitching and moaning about how women are no longer dependent on them and wanking to abuse porn or gaming 4 hours a day, men could try going back to actually being like those men of the 50s - strong, capable, hardworking, family-oriented, and they’d probably find swarms of women interested in them. But no, gaming, porn, recreational drugs, weakness, lack of self-control is what they choose, and then reserve the right to complain that women are dating the guys who measure up to themselves. No, not Chad, just average, decent men who know the value of being capable in a society full of men with no discipline or skills.

[–]HinduProphet 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Those women were being provided for by their spouses even if they weren't being paid directly.

No country required all able bodied men to serve in the Wars (unlike world wars) simultaneously, also, young and single men used to serve in the Wars, the surplus men basically, were enough most of the time.

Other civilizations such as India and China came up with their own solutions to this problem.

Porn, gaming, etc are escapism and refuge for young men who cannot deal with the modern world and cannot deal with their disposable value in society.

[–]womandatory 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You are absolutely, unequivocally wrong about war. It was women who kept the economy alive, not the men who were too old, disabled, young, or sick to go to war. Get your facts straight.

If young men want to ‘escape’, that’s fine. They just need to accept their escapism means they don’t get to participate in dating and mating, and they don’t get to complain that they’re not included. Batter up, or take your mitt and go home. That’s the problem though - men want to feed their weaknesses, they don’t want to do better, they don’t want to work hard, but they do want sympathy when they’re undateable because of their choices.

It’s not women’s fault. When are men ever going to take responsibility for their behavior??

[–]Ilarva 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

love this so much! i very much second the line of thinking you framed so nicely!!

[–]vaibhavlordwebby 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Its like a Nokia game of snake in which the game ends once the snake bites it's own tail. You have already started curling your head that way, it's just a matter of time. I'm guessing somewhere around 35.

[–]mf9769 10 points11 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Spoken like a true "Alpha Male."

You don't want a girl with a kid? That's fine. You're losing out on some good women, imo, but hey, I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't like.

A lot of guys are ok with single moms. Doesn't make them lesser men in any way shape or form.

But you know what does make someone less of a man? Saying women need saving. You know what else makes someone a less of a man? Saying that a single mom was "running around having fun" and judging her for it.

For the record, I'm a man, 5'4", and married to a girl that didn't have a kid before meeting me. She had a few boyfriends before me, and I had a couple of crazy exes and a body count in the 50s before I started dating her. We BOTH had our fun and you know what? It made relationship expectations realistic, unlike what you clearly want.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 4 points5 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You don't want a girl with a kid? That's fine. You're losing out on some good women, imo

Maybe their good women to smash, but to have to raise a baby that isn't yours? GTFOH. Besides all that you are contributing to the breakdown of the family by dating single moms. If single moms knew that they wouldn't have many options, then maybe they will stay with the father.

But congrats on things working out for you.

[–]mf9769 13 points14 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Raising a kid, any kid, whether he’s yours or not, to be a decent human being is a blessing. Have you ever thought about women being unable to stay with the father because they’re beating her or cheating on her? Or is that something you can’t consider because its the woman’s fault she can’t keep him happy? Things would work out for you too if you stoped treating dating like a game of DnD. This is life. There are no magic combinations of good traits that women you like are are attracted to.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -3 points-2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

All that abuse is mostly just BS that females say to keep their victim status. It's how they justify all their special privileges and how they play on your protector instincts.

Besides she still choose him over all the good guys she could have gotten with.

Regardless if you hear what men today are saying, they are making a stand and refusing to date single moms. Just look at how everyone is laughing at Russell Wilson.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah what a clown Russell Wilson is getting to sex up Ciara, I’d hate to be him 😂🤣

I’d much rather give myself an angry handy J knowing I’m not with a woman who had a life before she met me.

[–]mf9769 12 points13 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah man. Have you ever even considered that women are telling the truth about abuse? Probably not. You probably see abuse and don’t think it is. The number of women falsely accusing men is insubstantial compared to the number that actually are abused. And the worst part is that people can change, and love blinds you to certain signs. Relationships are clearly academic to you as you’d know that if you’d ever been in one.

As for Russ, idk what you’re talking about. Dude’s accomplished more in the last 10 years then you or I ever will, so feel free to laugh at him. No one else is.

[–]JumboJetz 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

OnlyFans is surging. “Pizza Tinder” was a thing where women could post on tinder asking for Pizza and get it. There are still at least 3 men for every 1 woman on Tinder. Possibly more.

I keep waiting for this impending time when men stop putting up with womens shit and check out of dating but it is never happening. Not even remotely.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think it's a human thing to want to settle down as you get older. Most of those pizza hustlers won't be hot enough to do that in a few years and will want to retire to a beta bucks. Unfortunately it's going to be much harder for them.

I keep waiting for this impending time when men stop putting up with womens shit and check out of dating but it is never happening.

My post wasn't about MGTOW's.

[–]RearwindowPinecone 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

short kings now grow taller and have options🥺

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Men are still going to end up with single mothers because there aren’t enough non-single mothers to go around for the men who become aware of AF/BB dynamics.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That is a good point.

[–]thetruthishere_Chads Pay Me 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or the fact many men are not single mom haters either.

[–]rootsnyder -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope. new younger women are produced every single day.

[–]wtknightGen X Slacker 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And so are new younger men who will also be pursuing those women.

[–]HinduProphet 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The fertility rate is below replacement.

[–]AstronautLoveShackGuess WHOOOO 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women having jobs and making their own money has done to endanger "beta bucks" than RP ever could.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 16 points17 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Even if we pretend th red pill has made a significant difference offline, It's not like these BB men have been turned into AF men. They've just become men that will spend their days alone because they can't handle that a woman might have slept with hotter guys in the past. It's the men that end up more screwed from all of this. I say this based on studies of happiness of single men vs women.

[–]Vigeto619 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, its okay to stay single you dont need anyone leeching your life force away for the rest of your life.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

yup, stay single or choose better partners.

[–]giftedguy4978 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The redpill is literally raising the nxt generation of men.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm currently raising two men so trust me when I say there's more than whining about women online involved.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 2 points3 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

The Red Pill has made a big difference IRL. You can see it's influence everywhere.

It's not like these BB men have been turned into AF men.

No it hasn't, at least not all of them. It has turned them into a "high value man".

It's the men that end up more screwed from all of this.

I think both end up screwed, but definitely women more than men. Men have more time and the women need provisioning, while men only need sex.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The Red Pill has made a big difference IRL. You can see it's influence everywhere.

I meant offline.

but definitely women more than men. Men have more time and the women need provisioning, while men only need sex.

like I said. there are studies that men suffer more when single. If we only needs sex this sub wouldn't exist, and a lot of women are actually entering the workforce these days so don't really need providing for.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I meant offline.

You do know these men exist in the real world right? You probably know a few and don't even realize it. Not to mention that each of them is probably spreading the pill to there closest friends IRL and not just online.

like I said. there are studies that men suffer more when single.

With so many feminists in academia we can't trust studies. Probably just trying to spread more feminist propaganda.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

With so many feminists in academia we can't trust studies.

Fair enough. If you don't believe in studies I won't waste my time.

[–]AngelsMuse 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

we can't trust studies

Yet 'studies' about male sex drive, female sex drive, mating habits, pair bonding and whatnot make up the entire basis of TRP teachings. So glad you guys are finally copping on to your own bullshit 😅

[–]beautifultomatillo2 9 points10 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

How do men have more time when they die a decade earlier. Single men even sooner than that.

This entire post is revenge fantasy based on a reality you constructed in your mind. Why do women need a provider when they outearn men ?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Yes men do die earlier. They have more time to date and be attractive. I see men living their best life at 35+. While women that age are done.

[–]Conscious-Rate-1508 14 points15 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I work with women who are over 35 and many of them also live their best lives. I'm 29 and my life is already much, much better than it was when I was younger.

I don't why would it be considered "done".

[–]beautifultomatillo2 10 points11 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You’re delusional man. Middle age men have the highest suicide rates out of any demographic. Also the highest rates of opioid addiction, opioid overdose and alcoholism.

Stop watching redpill YouTubers and go outside. The reason there’s so many single women asking for advice is because dating is difficult and dysfunctional for everyone right now

[–]Catherine772023 12 points13 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

The red pill cultivates this attitude of saying a man is beta if he wants to take care of his family and provide then expect women to want to depend on men as SAHMs and SAHWs.

Like if you teach men not to be providers then don’t blame women for wanting to be career women providing for themselves. If you won’t provide she will. For herself. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 2 points3 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Its about who you “provide for” if its the woman who rode the carousel for her twenties, then yes, its beta.

[–]Catherine772023 11 points12 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

So if it’s so “beta” why not accept her providing for herself?

Why does red pill whine about career women so much then?

What is their problem?

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No idea. Flawed perceptions of masculinity maybe. Not me tho. I love when women pay for me

[–]Catherine772023 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Providing for myself isn’t the same as providing for another but maybe I could provide for a man in future if I have more money if he cooks or does errands for me.

[–]HazyMemory7 1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So if it’s so “beta” why not accept her providing for herself?

The point is to not start a family with a woman like that to begin with.

[–]AngelsMuse 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

So they turn a woman into a financially -dependent stay at home wife/mom instead, and then raise hell about paying alimony and child support after the divorce to the woman they didn't want to work. Pure logic...

[–]pearllovespink 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Who do you want to start a family with then? College girls? High school grads?

[–]HinduProphet 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

How about this, she becomes a good virgin tradwife just like it happened in the good ol days ?

[–]pearllovespink 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That would never happen. Men don’t even want to marry in college anymore.

[–]Catherine772023 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Some red pill guys don’t want to commit to any women. And if it’s influence is growing like you say then being a trad wife isn’t so good.

And it’s not the good old days for abused women who can’t leave due to financial dependency.

[–]Impossible-Bank-1697 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

She marry you and don’t like your d then what ?

[–]LivePossible 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men with this concern should prioritize proposing to women by the age of 25. The power is in their hands.

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really, the woman who chooses not to ride the carousel will still age, if you only picked her because she’s younger the hoeness will come through regardless

[–]Panda-997Purple Pill Man 8 points9 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

Hey, you don't have to worry about bb man. Our govt is taking in the role of man and the expense of men.

Basically govt will keep on using the tax money to pay for the single mothers. This way women will have to depend on men even less than before. Men dont even have to provide resources anymore(which is like thier most important role throught history). Govt will take your resources and give it to women weather you like it or not.

[–]Character-Current-57 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The country is pretty much on the path to be conquered. None of these arguments will be worth anything when people are fighting for food.

[–]beautifultomatillo2 4 points5 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

That’s great for those of us who want to eradicate child poverty and child malnutrition

[–]Panda-997Purple Pill Man -1 points0 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean child poverty and child malnutrition? If the mother is unable to raise the child then the child should be with the father. If father is also unable then the child should be in foster care. The burden of your children shouldn't entirely be in others. Education And food ? I can understand. But the school should be providing free education and 2 meals for the children. Single Mother shouldn't receive money that will be most probably be unaccounted.

[–]beautifultomatillo2 6 points7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

Putting children in foster care is much more expensive than sending single moms a couple hundred dollars a month.

What about breakfast and dinner ? What happens when school isn’t on during Christmas and summer ? Should they just dumpster dive or beg on the streets

Normal people aren’t taking the approach of “let the children starve and die to punish whores for having sex “

[–]HinduProphet 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Why should, dudes who are unable to score girls be forced to pay for the tons of illegitimate sires produced by the few promiscuous males ?

Sounds like state sanctioned cuckoldry.

Let the Darwinism kick in and people wake up.

[–]Panda-997Purple Pill Man -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There are plenty of organisations that help children with basic things like food and shelter.

If what I said was not acceptable the. Why did you not comment anything on accountability ?

Why not create a system where the mother should submit bills of child care and the govt reimbursed.

Or govt first sends money and unless she submits bills, can also be soft copy through mail, she wouldn't get next hand out.

Handouts without accountability is the breeding ground for exploitation regardless of circumstances.

[–]Temporary-Drawing212 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What do you mean child poverty and child malnutrition? If the mother is unable to raise the child then the child should be with the father.

It is not that simple AT ALL. The mother/father won't give up parental rights that easy.

If father is also unable then the child should be in foster care.

You must not know nothing about how bad the foster car system. Sure, they are a few gems but most stories are not good.

  1. The foster care system does not create well adjusted happy children. Most are in over crowded underfunded group home, staffed by over worked and underpaid people who stopped caring long before you even come in

  2. There are not enough permanent homes. Most were just temporary placement homes where you can't stay more than 4-6 months in. 1. Most families that foster aren't looking to become adoptive families. They move you so you don't get attached to these temporary homes.

  3. They kick you out as soon as you 18 years old.

The burden of your children shouldn't entirely be in others. Education And food ? I can understand. But the school should be providing free education and 2 meals for the children. Single Mother shouldn't receive money that will be most probably be unaccounted.

The burden of a child should be in the society hands. Children cannot do much. They can't work, pay bills, buy food nor clothes . If the parents cannon't do that the gov should ensure the society that child lives under will at least have their basic needs meet. How much money do you think a women gets from one child?

[–]pearllovespink 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Why shouldn’t single mothers receive money? What do you think they spend money on?

Foster care is not the answer. Our foster care system is already a shit show and breading ground for generational poverty.

[–]Panda-997Purple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

So Is unaccounted hand outs to single mother.

[–]hari_hbpNo Pill 10 points11 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Prffff....Single women are happier. "BetaBux" going extinct will have no effect on a woman's happiness.

[–]Vigeto619 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Thats good, it balances out perfectly.

[–]hari_hbpNo Pill 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Uh.. I'm sorry, I don't get it. What gets balanced out?

[–]Vigeto619 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women are happy being single and men are happy not being betabux

[–]hari_hbpNo Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, true...

[–]Texan2116 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

On an interesting side note..I occasionally volunteer to help the homeless, and as a male I am in the minority of volunteers.

Many of the volunteers (female)..will say to each other of various female homeless women that "she needs a man, or will comment on the fact if they are younger , and still have their looks or figure, etc.

I would also toss out that probably half or more of our volunteers are basically older women, who married well. Typically fairly religious too.

[–]nemma8834/F/UK Engaged 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

BB is dying because they dont have enough BUX. Marriage is falling as women are earning more.

[–]Best_Illustrator_137 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Bro, this is all internet shit..do you actually think this irl, do you actually see it irl or just online…go touch grass

[–]cloudsongs_No Pill 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also women can just take care of themselves too. So they’re not really screwed because a guy doesn’t want to offer her resources. It’s 2022

[–]tinrooster2005 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I think you are asking the right question but you haven't really looked at the BIG picture. It's not really about women needing BB's or not, it is ACTUALLY this:

If enough guys decide to stop settling for BB status and instead decide to "perpetually play the field/opt out" of the dating market, two things are going to happen.

1) The welfare state that most of these women truly depend on i.e. "muh independence" will become unsustainable. Sure, Daddy Gummint can raise taxes but that will further incentivize men to work less/emigrate, actually speeding up the welfare death spiral. 2) The economy as a whole will implode over a decade due to men having no reason to spend money and either have a "toy/pleasure" lifestyle or go minimalist/off grid. Which will slowly create the greatest depression the country has ever seen.

Men are incentivized to produce for 2 reasons. Access to sex and ensuring offspring are their own. If the BB guys check out of the workforce because they no longer have to support a family and all the accoutrement that the economy and tax system benefit from there is going to be a major issue. For those of you thinking "hey bruh quit wet dreaming dystopian fantasies in your mom's basement, take a look at what is slowly occurring in Japan and South Korea.

[–]ObjectiveCow59 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This. People want to act like young men have no value, but they’re in denial of the fact that everyone has potential value and for a culture to only bring out the best for one gender and not the other is bad for everyone involved… give it time, they’ll acknowledge this after it’s too late.

[–]AcanthocephalaNew947 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

So… you’re not wet dreaming dystopian fantasies?

[–]tinrooster2005 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I wouldn't sit on the old couch in the basement.

[–]2pumpschump 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Hit the nail on the head

[–]AelfredRex 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let's take something that doesn't exist and make it go away... when it's not there to begin with. Meanwhile the number of "red pilled men" who can't get a date to save their souls continues to whine to the world that they are the superior beings... something else that wasn't there to begin with.

[–]delight-n-angers 3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're dramatically underestimating the mainstream appeal of RP bullshit and dramatically overestimating the need for men in women's lives. There are more women getting an education and high paying jobs than men right now. We will be fine, I promise. Your revenge fantasty is funny though.

[–]JollyFawn90 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So you admit that as soon as women didn’t need us for survival y’all discarded men like some trash. You women are monsters, the good girls surely don’t go on this sub.

[–]delight-n-angers 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol no. I've been married for almost 20 years to my high school sweetheart.

What it means is that when women don't need men to survive, we can choose to marry them because we want them in our lives. Not out of an obligation because we can't survive.

[–]Gracie_777 17 points18 points  (26 children) | Copy Link

Lol, No the red pill / manosphere is for sad sack losers who have already been auto rejected by women. Its like saying, "you can't fire me man, I quit" but nobody is listening. Nobody knows you're gone because nobody wants you anyway, in fact we're glad you're gone because your an undesirable liability.

[–]themostgianthorseRed Pill Man 7 points8 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

You are describing MGTOW; not RP.

[–]pearllovespink 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your ideologies intertwine in my opinion.

[–]themostgianthorseRed Pill Man 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

MGTOW: Primarily losers who’ve given up. Taking their ball and going home even though no one wants them. Makes necessity a virtue.

RP: Hey guys! Girls are not made of sugar and spice and everything nice. No one owes you shit. Whatever happens, it’s your fault. Do the work and handle your shit.

[–]Gracie_777 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I actually support mgtow but it should mean no women whatsoever, sex dolls are fine. RP guys are delusional losers who think being even more of a price than they already are will get them pussy, lmfao.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 10 points11 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

No you couldn't be more wrong. Many men have took the advice and made themselves more alpha or became a HVM. You just wouldn't know that because they are not going to tell you.

I have been in RP a long time and I have seen the tables turn for many people. Now most of the women that were hot a few years ago are looking very sad and lonely now. While the men now have options.

[–]todo_pasa_ 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Now most of the women that were hot a few years ago are looking very sad and lonely now.

Where do you get this info? or it's just speculation?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Real life examples.

[–]todo_pasa_ 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Ah so anecdotal, got it

you probably have 1 or 2 friends who are between relationships and are a bit bitter

and that translates to "most women"

[–]Complex-Glass-8539 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So….they became beta bux? Like isn’t that what that is?

Just like the man who won’t let it be known he’s looksmaxing in his late 20’s/early 30’s won’t come out and say it, neither will the woman who was getting tag teamed at frat parties and cheated on all her men but now wants to find the dude to bankroll her future spawn (and who will get dicked down by a guy like me behind his back once he gets complacent and regresses back to his natural, comfortable state 7-8 years into that relationship).

It’s just the loser’s path with extra steps.

[–]itm4l2000 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

No need to prove anything, time will reveal all

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

That is true. But it's already being proven. Just watch Kevin Samuels and you'll see a bunch of women that are having trouble finding a HVM (aka Beta Bucks).

[–]Gracie_777 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Haha, what a loser watching Kevin Sadsack samuals videos and believing anything he said. RP guys deal exclusively in damaged women because no normal sane woman would look twice at them.

[–]RearwindowPinecone 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

but short kings will help them🥺

[–]beautifultomatillo2 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Wow it only takes a few years now for a attractive young women to become a post wall used up sad lonely social reject. I thought it was at least a decade.

It’s incredibly pathetic to use words like “alpha” to describe other men. “Alpha males” are just men that other men are attracted to and fantasise about.

You’re listening to fake stories by people who want to take your money

The biggest beneficiaries of marriage are men. Men who are married live longer healthier lives. They have a live in maid who takes are of them.

[–]Gracie_777 3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No I think not, at best they double down on their bullshit and attract some poor abused, damaged woman but the couldn't get near a healthy woman because we have an internal warning system that alerts us to assholes and freaks.

You've really drank the RP Kool Aid haven't you. Look I know it gets you off thinking of lonely women crying because you are a miserable little man but in reality single women have good lives and are amongst the happiest demographics, typically with strong social links and fulfilling lives. While single men in their 40s are more likely to rope themselves. Now that is a tragedy but it makes you wonder about who is actually sad and lonely. And before you mention antidepressant use in older women much of that is for the control of perimenopausal symptoms like hit flushes and so on.

[–]John_OakmanLVM advocate 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The manosphere message of materialistic hedonism normally isnt relevant if it weren't for the fact that modern developed societies have rationalized away most non-worldly sources of motivations. However, humans by their nature craves something greater than mere materialistic survival, hence thie modern bastardization of hedonistic materialism wrapping in some form of moralism. That and people simply dropping out of contributing to society altogether as it no longer provides any sense of fulfillment of social obligations.

[–]Glad-Discount-4761 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Who cares?That sounds great Men will ignore woman so less population lol. That's sounds heaven to me

[–]Peacesquad 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Man this sub is so toxic. Especially if you’re a man. The hate here for men is insane.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I know right.

[–]Peacesquad 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I might leave. Women hate us here lol

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Just don't let them get to you. Remember a lot of them are activists trying to push back TRP.

[–]Peacesquad 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP isn’t even a bad thing. It just takes away leverage from women and teaches men self worth self value and to have abundance mindset like women do. Why is that such a bad thing?

[–]FadedTony 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Why is every other post on here basically "women bad"

There's not going to be any women left here to give us any insight guys lol it's already getting close to an echo chamber in here.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You seriously expect women to give you insight? They are.just hear to confuse you. They don't want men to learn to be alpha. They don't want beta to learn how to get girls. They want the betas to stay lonely and desperate, so they will be waiting to save them when they need saving.

[–]fiftypoundpuppy 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

As a real live woman, please believe me when I say the overwhelming majority of us have never heard of any pill nonsense - including the ever highbrow "alpha/beta" discussions - and we literally could not care less about any of this. At. All.

We don't give a shit about "beta men learning how to get girls."

We don't give a flying fuck about "men learning how to be an alpha."

If I started talking about this stuff to any of my girlfriends IRL they might very well try to have me committed.

Trust me when I tell you that not only is there not any grand scheming by women as a whole to try to manipulate men en masse to "save" us, but we mostly have no idea what the actual fuck this stuff is and we truly don't care at all about any of it. We're too busy going to school, working, taking care of our pets, socializing with friends, and doing all the rest of the things regular people do in a society. Most women are just living their lives day to day like everyone else. There's no grand conspiracy by us to keep men unhappy and sexless.

[–]JSears90210 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It is taking a small chunk of guys who could be considered BB. But there will always be a large enough % of men who are more than happy to be fall back plans. It hurts less desirable women because it will limit their options. They will still have options but not as many.

The flipside is the ever increasing number of men who have been taught by society and their mothers what they should want out of life and not to actually do soul searching to find out what is best for them. Encouraged to not have needs and wants of their own. This group is probably growing at a pace that replaces or even outpaces the spread of RP.

[–]SwimmingTheme3736 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But what percentage of men have even heard of the red pill?

[–]YveisGrey 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think women don’t want BBs because they don’t really need them not these days. Look at some of these wealthy men openly having mutiple baby mamas. Idk without marriage more men are ending up single and childless ultimately

[–]boomershack 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

RP or the Manosphere are nothing compared to the countless legions of beta bucks looking for love from a woman. There will always be an abundance of beta bucks who want the white picket fence etc etc.

[–]YourAverageTurkGuy 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit take brother. OnlyFans and Tinder has proven times and times over that the majority of men will fold over women, getting nothing in return. This doesn’t really matter though because you choose how you live your life. Just don’t be one of those miserable pricks who spend their mom’s medication money to egirls and you’ll be fine.

[–]DynamicCrab 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really op. What's actually happening is that women who would normally settle for the beta cucks are now turning to Only Fans and have gotten into a relationship with fleeting beta cucks. All at the same time.

[–]SDW137 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There's an endless supply of simps out there though, and always will be, no matter how "mainstream" the Red Pill gets.

[–]Lithium- 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Alright, I'm going to semi quote Rian Stone on this one. As alot of people seems to constantly miss the point of the Alpha Fucks/Beta Bux dynamic in a Long Term Relationship.

Alpha traits is what makes a woman have genuine sexual desire for a man and creates level of anxiety in a woman. Basicly the traits that include sexual tension and FOMO. Any High Value Man will usually have this in spades.

Beta traits is what makes a woman feel comfortable and safe. Cuddles, chocolate, killing that spider and handing tissues when he watches that RomCom with you. You feel safe, secure and know he is dependable, but not nessicarily a man you want to sleep with.

Now here is the kicker. Any man that is interested in a LTR with a woman needs to balance the two traits. To much Alpha for too long, then the girl is going to end up an nervous wreck if she is hoping for this guy to settle down. Too much Beta, then the girl will run the relationship till its end as the guy is walked all over and the mans sexual needs is not going to be met.

So how does this tie into OP's post?

If men start becoming more 'Alpha', it means woman will need to bring more to the table other than sex and sex appeal. It will be a woman's job to encourage a man to commit to her and make a monogamist relationship work. It also means there will be more men that women will actually genuinely desire, rather then going "fuck it, he'll have to do".

[–]Killz4Thrillz954 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

After being fucked over by many women for being “nice”, I learned my lesson. I’m no longer willing to stay for any bullshit. You do shady shit and im out

[–]Warm_Gur8832 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why would women be screwed by this?

The extent to which women can earn enough to be independent by themselves is directly proportional to the extent to which they even “need BB” in the first place.

If men decide to give up on chasing the almighty dollar in a significant way, guess who is going to be promoted and making a lot more money? It’s not the men.

Perhaps such a thing would be better for everyone.

[–]coastFI_chaser 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I think they do and just stay single. I think more men are redpill but typically undesirable men in some key way. Others are really emotionally damaged or misogynistic.

[–]fake7272 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

There will always be a line of men willing to pay for affection. Women will settle, they will stop their degenerate behavior and settle down. This revenge fantasy bullshit is just that, bullshit.

The manosphere has told a small, tiny percent of guys to not be betas but only about half of people use the internet in the US, let alone use reddit, let alone subscribe to the red pill.

[–]Perfect-Complaint831 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet inversely femaledatingstrategy grew huge, their topics seeped into mainstream dating aka high value woman/male etc.. you greatly underestimate the power of the internet

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There will always be a line of men willing to pay for affection.

Yes but now those men are getting sugar babies. They're not becoming a BB to post wall women like they used to.

The manosphere has told a small, tiny percent of guys to not be betas but only about half of people use the internet in the US, let alone use reddit, let alone subscribe to the red pill.

Think about if every man online has radicalized a friend or two? Then the number could be growing exponentially.

[–]PirateDocBrown 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

" I think many women are going to be completely screwed when they need a BB"

Nah, modern woman are strong and independent queans. They don't need a man.

[–]Im_The_Daiquiri_Man 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I’m somebody who definitely got “turned around” thanks to learning RP principles about 7 years ago and I believe it has helped a decent subset of men … BUT

Onlyfans, TikTok, Twitch, E-Girls, Instathots, Gofundme, Patreon, etc has been a fucking boom for women - THIS is what the modern “BB” looks like.

Add to that the fact that male sexlessness is still going up, and you will have a steady supply of save-a-ho’s at the ready.

If anything, the demand for an old school BB is decreasing, not the supply.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well congrats for changing your life for the better.

Onlyfans, TikTok, Twitch, E-Girls, Instathots, Gofundme, Patreon, etc has been a fucking boom for women - THIS is what the modern “BB” looks like.

That's what modern prostitution. How long will those girls be able to get by on OF? Could they still do it at 35? What about 40?

[–]Im_The_Daiquiri_Man 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nope. At best, sugar babies are modern prostitution.

All the other shit is merely “supplemental income” and will absolutely give outlets to the under 40 single moms that would otherwise have to date a BB to fund their lifestyles.

Over 40 single moms were never in demand even with BB’s so that demographic is irrelevant.

There is no “mass awakening” of men happening on a scale that will modify womens behavior or their options to be any different than what they have been for the past 50 years.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah those are some very convincing points. I still doubt that most women will be able to make enough off OF. Maybe the hottest women will, but OF is just a pipe dream for women. Like many people think drug dealers have all this money but the truth is that most of them are broke.

[–]Im_The_Daiquiri_Man 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Also good points.

I’d also say that “free attention” is almost a currency in itself to women, so the monetary aspects are only part of it.

[–]SmithersinkPurple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree men are becoming less willing to settle for the role of provider, but at the same time women are becoming less willing to fill the role men traditionally want them to. What makes you think it’s women who are screwed?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well I believe both men and women are screwed. I just believe women will have it worse (as they get older).

When men get older (and/if they become HVM) they'll have all these options for sex but won't want to give their resources to a post wall woman. Women will miss out on a provider. Men will also be screwed because theyll have less women that are worthy of being a wife, but they'll still have sex while keeping the majority of their resources for themselves.

[–]Character-Current-57 0 points1 point  (20 children) | Copy Link

Good. Let them starve. For some reason it’s okay for men to learn lessons with pain and negative reinforcement. We think we should protect women. No let them fall on their faces. The next generation will be better.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

lol these men that are refuse g to BB are by definition the ones that no-one cares if the check out of marriage and dating. No-one's starving or learning anything through pain.

[–]Character-Current-57 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Each go his own way.

[–]Character-Current-57 -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Y’all are brainwashed on this ignorant crap.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 6 points7 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What do you think I'm wrong about? you think women are devastated that ugly men are staying single? are you one of the men that believes that once you hit 30, the women that refused to suck your dick when you were 18 will come begging for forgiveness?

[–]stopcoping12 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Is that what OP said ? did OP say by the time you turn 30 you magically have the SMV of henry cavil ? or did he point out the fact that if more males in general got black pilled on the average the standards for males would rise rapidly.

You think a guy who is gym maxed and injected roids from a young age is gonna settle some average whore ? are you delusional ?

In fact hope the black pill doesn't go mainstream because if the average male only starts caring about looks I wonder what does that translate to in terms of ''societal'' cohesion.

[–]HinduProphet -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

How about this, we all go back to the good ol days of the 20th century and men get their rightful place back in society ?

[–]pearllovespink 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn’t that make the next generation worse? Lmao. I’m already seeing the effects of this crap with Gen Z and it’s not positive.

[–]Character-Current-57 0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

No. They would learn how not to do things

[–]pearllovespink 1 point2 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

All I’m seeing is men that don’t know how to be men and don’t take care of their responsibilities correctly. You might not be spending money directly on a particular woman but it’s going towards things like onlyfans and porn. So you’re still paying women but in a different fashion.

[–]Character-Current-57 0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

He controls when and where it's spent.

[–]AkimboMajestic1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

If you're over 25 and using terms like beta bucks etc. you need to go outside, get some hobbies and meet some more real people. You're wasting time

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]sarkington 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Marriage/settling isn’t dead

It just takes place a decade later, due economic and social factors, so people are freaking out over numbers

[–]Diddy_1978 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Literally your ‘AFBB’ theory does not translate in real life. Yeah sure, there’s some shitty people out there trying to exploit guys. Not many.

[–]RocinanteCoffee -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women don't need "a man" to save them, that's such copium. Also your idea that single moms aren't doing just fine in the dating world.

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[–]CruelAngelGradThesiscall me omae 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What? I thought the narrative last week was that BB are endangered because of Lyndon B. Johnson or something.

[–]RedditorSafeSpace 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lmao no

[–]afro-samourai 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

what is BB and AF ?

[–]Wide-Illustrator2906 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

More men are becoming red pilled and improving themselves so they don't end up a beta bux but the vast majority of men have never even heard of the red pill and are perfectly fine being a beta bux.

[–]5MinuteMentalFitness 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not alpha bucks beta fucks

It’s short term luxury novelty exoticness (Aka looks money status) and long term family building bonding and strengthening.

This is evident by the two scientifically backed dual mating strategies of the sexes.

Switch (think of like an actual mating preferences switch that turns on short term or on long term or vice versa) and dual mating theory which i described above.

Yet what those theories fails to discuss is that women will gravitate towards taking a man in the short term (looks money status) and try to bring him up into the long term by changing him into a great father; provider, protector, etc.

Yet what tends to happen is that because people rarely change fully and permanently in the long run, they will get a temporary or sporadic change which women do put up with until they have children as our nervous systems synch the more we bind to our close loved ones.

Yet once women have children their nervous systems go from synching and bonding to their partner to then going and bonding to their children.

Thus because their partner has only surface changed behaviours she once tolerated because she had no children.L, she now has children so she no longer tolerates the behaviour and sees it as a threat to the children to the point where she feels her children would be safer without him. Hence the illusion of a bait and switch.

The more the man becomes a threat s as d refuses to change or only changes got her and himself or the kids, the more they grow apart and the more nastier divorce tends to be for the man as the wife is now hell bent on eliminating from the kids lives him at all costs.

Yet the women now single mother now also needs to care for children alone while protecting them from the father coming back, which is also a threat to children so her mating strategy kicks into high gear and she ends up having both her long term and short term mating strategies turn on at once, meaning she needs someone who is a good dad but also needs someone who could protect from the real Dad hence the illusion of alpha fucks beta bucks.

Sources: Andrew Huberman, Huberman Labs the science of love desire and attachment pod cast episode date February 14th 2022.

My own experiences and how I even used this knowledge to get my family back and have a healthier relationship then ever and others I know experiences who had these exact steps happen.

Throw in some evo psych other psych research and Adam Lane Smiths work.

[–]The9thHuman [score hidden]  (1 child) | Copy Link

this seems to be a huge issue yet

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] [score hidden]  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm seeing it become a huge issue for women I know that are getting older. All the men that they took for granted and thought would always be there are not. Especially troubling for them because now they need them.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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