The RP/Manosphere is making the Beta Bucks an endangered species and many women are going to be screwed.

EnteFetz · 2022-07-29T12:51:28+00:00

The supply of undesirable men is effectively infinite. There will always be enough desperate men. Women just need to lower their standardsnand they will always find a guy who is willing to give her everything.

xzpw · 2022-07-29T11:33:33+00:00

I think women are making BB extinct in itself. It’s a mutual effort. Again - 1%er here and no woman gives a flying fuck about it. Literally not even a little. I know women who make less than 1/10th of what I do and they still don’t even consider it.

Women earn the same as men these days as long as they’re working the same job. If they cared about money - they would make it themselves. But since you see many women still lining up for poorly paid positions far more often than men (like teachers) then you’ll be able to recognize it’s a non-priority.

BB is going extinct but it ain’t because of RP. It’s cause women can earn their own and want a man who is more sexually exciting.

MassageGymnist · 2022-07-29T14:32:00+00:00

This title is what you want to happen

KayRay1994 · 2022-07-29T17:00:24+00:00

this is totally the premise of a Revenge of the Nerds movie

toasterchild · 2022-07-29T13:03:00+00:00

You guys are so stuck on this revenge fantasy that you can't see past it. Who cares of someone who didn't plan for their own future is going to get screwed? They aren't getting screwed by men they are getting screwed by their own poor choices.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-07-29T12:29:27+00:00

Help me out: did onlyfans, premium snap, and E-gamer girls on Twitch disappear? No?!!
Well how about strip clubs, bikini bars and hooters? No?! Instagram models? No????!!!

What endangered species?

Ok-Map-7596 · 2022-07-29T11:30:24+00:00

You know there will always be men who want to have a family but are hardly attractive right?

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-07-29T11:22:41+00:00

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neolib-cowboy · 2022-07-29T23:57:16+00:00

I don't think the women are "screwed" cuz a lot of women seem fine being single even into their 30s and 40s. Especially with female liberation, women can go get a career and survive without a man.

gofigure62 · 2022-07-29T18:32:42+00:00

I thought this sub claimed that less men going to college meant that there would be no Beta Bucks since men wouldn't have the necessary income to attract women?

If men aren't using avenues to raise their income, how will they be a Beta Bucks if women are out preforming them in education and job growth?

I thought the narrative was that schools are sexist and bias against boys, thus ruining the future economic opportunities for boys?

2022-07-29T11:50:02+00:00

Is this intentional comedy?

ReferenceImpossible2 · 2022-07-29T17:20:28+00:00

Bro literally nobody knows about the dumb shit we talk about on this sub besides a handful of people.

Reddit != real life. In terms of people, ideologies, or beliefs.

AidsVictim · 2022-07-29T16:57:30+00:00

Say what you will about the red pill community but one thing it has achieved is it informed men about the AF/BB dynamics.

TRP is a niche internet thing. Generously 5 or 10% of younger men are vaguely aware of it. Maybe 1% actually ever directly read the material.

But the culture overall has shifted. Few people that aren't religious and/or coming from very conservative backgrounds are interested in the "traditional" model centered around BB. This isn't due to TRP but reality repeatedly kicking men in the face and mainstream culture emphasizing individualistic thinking (i.e. get yours and fuck everyone else) and traditional models hardly existing in popular media anymore except stuff aimed squarely at boomers.

I think many women are going to be completely screwed when they need a BB and there just won't be any left.

Why would they be screwed? They can earn about the same as men in their class, they don't need a BB and the government can help cover childcare costs.

Lots of women are not socialized to desire a BB outcome or have need of them.

What has happened is that now the men that would have been a BB in the past have rebranded themselves as a " high value man". Weather or not the women agree, the men now see themselves as the prize. Now they want to have their fun too and are demanding that women bring more.

They can demand whatever they want. Men that are actually high value are quite rare. It's mostly a bunch of dudes making low 6 figures pretending they're "high value" as a means to claim some identity beyond BB. Not many women are going to bite that line.

However I think eventually the situation will reverse. Many people in the West don't yet realize they're in the downward slope of a civilization economically and culturally for many reasons. Individualistic lifestyles are only possible with a certain threshold of material plenty and cultural freedom. As conditions worsen people will become more and more reliant on social networks to survive - robust ones are only sustainable in BB oriented societies. Women will be the hardest hit by this as service sector and make work office jobs start disappearing and government subsidies (for childcare etc) become increasingly anemic. Manual labour which has been so devalued and destroyed in the current paradigm (which benefits women) is likely to become more and more central economically.

The West has been living too long on the equivalent of pay day loans selling out it's future economically and culturally and the bills are just starting to come due.

Vtridolla · 2022-07-29T19:50:20+00:00

Lmao 😂 go outside cabrón if anything the growth of RP and internet weirdos is just turning women off of men entirely.

2022-07-29T13:03:14+00:00

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GhostofCamus · 2022-07-29T11:47:43+00:00

The economy has done more damage to beta bucks than some bloggers could ever hope to, and these newly sentient men you seem to be seeing will forget all that stuff the next time a chick smiles at him.

MAGA-Latino · 2022-07-29T15:29:02+00:00

LOL fucking a, please

This is what people mean when they say you guys hate women..you can't even fucking do self improvement without it being centered around punishing women and wanting to see them screwed. Fucking pathetic guys

renfsu · 2022-07-29T12:39:48+00:00

There will always be betas. Truly attractive men are not as common as attractive women. Yet truly attractive women aren't exactly common either.

Betas will never be an endangered species. It takes work to be attractive to many women. Red pill doesn't make men "alpha". You need to take out the good, leave the bad, and improve yourself in reality. Plenty of red pill betas still stuck in the anger phase

GlowingAsItDazzles · 2022-07-29T12:49:39+00:00

US women are becoming their own beta bux and OOW childbirth will just keep rising in all classes but UMC/UC. lower class men are worthless drains and a danger to lower class women and they are better off without them anyway. in the upper classes marriage will always be required

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-07-29T12:08:06+00:00

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Ok_Razzmatazz_1751 · 2022-07-29T13:34:42+00:00

Sure buddy , walk outside for awhile in neighborhoods. Go to Walmart , Lowe's, grocery stores . Your hypothesis isn't real world reality.

MAGA-Latino · 2022-07-29T17:01:40+00:00

Tell this to all the Reddit threads about how lonely men are

cdclopper · 2022-07-29T14:13:08+00:00

Let's call it a given that much off what trp believes about women is scientifically accurate. Doesn't to me explain why men use trp to slay pussy rather than get a good woman and keep her happy. The real victims here are the kids who's alfa fux father isn't around. It's a chauvinistic pig attitude. Why not use your alpha-ness, your such a big strong man, to make the world a better place rather than to get your jollies off? It's a pathetic existence, when you think about it.

brettugly1234 · 2022-07-29T17:24:30+00:00

That’s good though. Why should someone ever be with someone they’re not attracted to?

Aston77 · 2022-07-30T06:55:00+00:00

Most people out there don’t know and never heard of the RP/Manosphere. Women nowadays have higher standards and ask for more from their partners because they are in a better socioeconomic position than at any other point in history.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-07-29T12:48:07+00:00

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scwizard · 2022-07-29T16:01:08+00:00

So many revenge fantasies like this with no basis in fact.

Poly_frolicher · 2022-07-29T18:49:08+00:00

This is just another post that makes me laugh. Think yourself whatever value you want. If you want a wife and family, or even a fuck-buddy, you have to find someone who agrees to that, and you don’t get to make the “value” judgement, the market does.

The entire RP is a bunch of sour grapes and I stay around to laugh at you. Meanwhile I continue to live the life you all get so pissed about. And I’m turning 57 in about a week and am 50 pounds over-weight. Oh, and I can fully take care of myself, but the men in my life make me happy. If anyone stops being happy, they can walk away.

MembershipPlus2082 · 2022-07-29T13:52:51+00:00

It's already happened in the past few years.

50% of women above 30 are now childless, single mom rates are climbing. Also, the marriage rate, which measures the number of marriages per 1,000 people is at 5.1 marriages per 1,000, the lowest is has ever been since 1963.

I'm myself one of those BB I suppose. I'll most like keep being single rather than settle for a 35+ single woman who had her fun.

Indubious1 · 2022-07-29T16:24:23+00:00

The only thing that’s changing is men’s ability to point the finger at someone else to blame for their problems. lol women aren’t the problem. Weak men are. If you have to put this much thought into women instead of working on yourself or your goals, you are the problem.

Exciting-Necessary-5 · 2022-07-29T14:26:41+00:00

I agree with this as I was prime BB material before I ran into the redpill.

2022-07-29T15:44:40+00:00

I cannot think of a single time in my entire life where I needed a beta bux.

High_Pains_of_WTX · 2022-07-29T21:06:08+00:00

hahahahahahahahahahaha

...but seriously, what?

SmarmyPapsmears · 2022-07-29T11:51:09+00:00

Women aren't going to be screwed because women are starting to outearn men. It's just now that they'll have to work 😂

womandatory · 2022-07-29T12:27:05+00:00

Women don’t need men nearly as much as men think they do.

Previously, the only things men offered women that they couldn’t have in their own name were money, status, and property, and they were a means to keeping a bloodline.

These days women can earn their own money, own property, achieve their own status. They can also choose a sperm donor or take a vacation to a foreign destination and bring back more baggage by choice and mostly get away with it.

I think that modern men furiously try to gaslight women into accepting the unacceptable in them by fear-mongering historical concerns. Sure, some women still fall for that shit, but I think the vast majority don’t, so we’re seeing a new age of dating/relationships where women are demanding more than ‘has somewhat functioning penis/bank account’ and that’s making the dudes angry.

In my 20s I banged your definition of BB guys who followed me around like puppies, but so did the AF guys. They still do. The more time I spend in this sub, the more I realize it’s male population is mostly young, poorly-informed wannabe RP men, a few BP and genuine PP guys and exactly zero of the AF you all want to believe exist.

Very, very few men actually come close to the defining trope of AF, because young women now want more than hot guys, they want hot guys who earn good coin, can fix stuff when it’s broken, and are emotionally literate.

AF is a myth and you would all do far better to focus on bettering yourselves than worrying about fictional Chad who isn’t Chad at all, because he failed high school, or he’s a lazy shit who can’t wipe his piss off the toilet seat, and women care about that more than anything else dudes think they offer.

mf9769 · 2022-07-29T18:33:38+00:00

Spoken like a true "Alpha Male."

You don't want a girl with a kid? That's fine. You're losing out on some good women, imo, but hey, I'm not going to tell you what you should and shouldn't like.

A lot of guys are ok with single moms. Doesn't make them lesser men in any way shape or form.

But you know what does make someone less of a man? Saying women need saving. You know what else makes someone a less of a man? Saying that a single mom was "running around having fun" and judging her for it.

For the record, I'm a man, 5'4", and married to a girl that didn't have a kid before meeting me. She had a few boyfriends before me, and I had a couple of crazy exes and a body count in the 50s before I started dating her. We BOTH had our fun and you know what? It made relationship expectations realistic, unlike what you clearly want.

JumboJetz · 2022-07-29T12:00:53+00:00

OnlyFans is surging. “Pizza Tinder” was a thing where women could post on tinder asking for Pizza and get it. There are still at least 3 men for every 1 woman on Tinder. Possibly more.

I keep waiting for this impending time when men stop putting up with womens shit and check out of dating but it is never happening. Not even remotely.

wtknight · 2022-07-29T12:11:55+00:00

Men are still going to end up with single mothers because there aren’t enough non-single mothers to go around for the men who become aware of AF/BB dynamics.

AstronautLoveShack · 2022-07-29T16:07:44+00:00

Women having jobs and making their own money has done to endanger "beta bucks" than RP ever could.

Valuable-Marzipan761 · 2022-07-29T11:35:30+00:00

Even if we pretend th red pill has made a significant difference offline, It's not like these BB men have been turned into AF men. They've just become men that will spend their days alone because they can't handle that a woman might have slept with hotter guys in the past. It's the men that end up more screwed from all of this. I say this based on studies of happiness of single men vs women.

Catherine772023 · 2022-07-29T13:50:13+00:00

The red pill cultivates this attitude of saying a man is beta if he wants to take care of his family and provide then expect women to want to depend on men as SAHMs and SAHWs.

Like if you teach men not to be providers then don’t blame women for wanting to be career women providing for themselves. If you won’t provide she will. For herself. And there’s nothing wrong with that.

Panda-997 · 2022-07-29T11:51:51+00:00

Hey, you don't have to worry about bb man. Our govt is taking in the role of man and the expense of men.

Basically govt will keep on using the tax money to pay for the single mothers. This way women will have to depend on men even less than before. Men dont even have to provide resources anymore(which is like thier most important role throught history). Govt will take your resources and give it to women weather you like it or not.

hari_hbp · 2022-07-29T11:59:35+00:00

Prffff....Single women are happier. "BetaBux" going extinct will have no effect on a woman's happiness.

Texan2116 · 2022-07-29T14:48:46+00:00

On an interesting side note..I occasionally volunteer to help the homeless, and as a male I am in the minority of volunteers.

Many of the volunteers (female)..will say to each other of various female homeless women that "she needs a man, or will comment on the fact if they are younger , and still have their looks or figure, etc.

I would also toss out that probably half or more of our volunteers are basically older women, who married well. Typically fairly religious too.

nemma88 · 2022-07-29T22:37:26+00:00

BB is dying because they dont have enough BUX. Marriage is falling as women are earning more.

Best_Illustrator_137 · 2022-07-30T01:55:18+00:00

Bro, this is all internet shit..do you actually think this irl, do you actually see it irl or just online…go touch grass

Warm_Gur8832 · 2022-07-30T16:48:07+00:00

Why would women be screwed by this?

The extent to which women can earn enough to be independent by themselves is directly proportional to the extent to which they even “need BB” in the first place.

If men decide to give up on chasing the almighty dollar in a significant way, guess who is going to be promoted and making a lot more money? It’s not the men.

Perhaps such a thing would be better for everyone.

tinrooster2005 · 2022-07-29T13:29:50+00:00

I think you are asking the right question but you haven't really looked at the BIG picture. It's not really about women needing BB's or not, it is ACTUALLY this:

If enough guys decide to stop settling for BB status and instead decide to "perpetually play the field/opt out" of the dating market, two things are going to happen.

1) The welfare state that most of these women truly depend on i.e. "muh independence" will become unsustainable. Sure, Daddy Gummint can raise taxes but that will further incentivize men to work less/emigrate, actually speeding up the welfare death spiral. 2) The economy as a whole will implode over a decade due to men having no reason to spend money and either have a "toy/pleasure" lifestyle or go minimalist/off grid. Which will slowly create the greatest depression the country has ever seen.

Men are incentivized to produce for 2 reasons. Access to sex and ensuring offspring are their own. If the BB guys check out of the workforce because they no longer have to support a family and all the accoutrement that the economy and tax system benefit from there is going to be a major issue. For those of you thinking "hey bruh quit wet dreaming dystopian fantasies in your mom's basement, take a look at what is slowly occurring in Japan and South Korea.

AelfredRex · 2022-07-29T15:07:43+00:00

Let's take something that doesn't exist and make it go away... when it's not there to begin with. Meanwhile the number of "red pilled men" who can't get a date to save their souls continues to whine to the world that they are the superior beings... something else that wasn't there to begin with.

delight-n-angers · 2022-07-29T23:09:14+00:00

You're dramatically underestimating the mainstream appeal of RP bullshit and dramatically overestimating the need for men in women's lives. There are more women getting an education and high paying jobs than men right now. We will be fine, I promise. Your revenge fantasty is funny though.

Gracie_777 · 2022-07-29T11:32:48+00:00

Lol, No the red pill / manosphere is for sad sack losers who have already been auto rejected by women. Its like saying, "you can't fire me man, I quit" but nobody is listening. Nobody knows you're gone because nobody wants you anyway, in fact we're glad you're gone because your an undesirable liability.

John_Oakman · 2022-07-29T13:15:36+00:00

The manosphere message of materialistic hedonism normally isnt relevant if it weren't for the fact that modern developed societies have rationalized away most non-worldly sources of motivations. However, humans by their nature craves something greater than mere materialistic survival, hence thie modern bastardization of hedonistic materialism wrapping in some form of moralism. That and people simply dropping out of contributing to society altogether as it no longer provides any sense of fulfillment of social obligations.

Glad-Discount-4761 · 2022-07-29T14:26:08+00:00

Who cares?That sounds great Men will ignore woman so less population lol. That's sounds heaven to me

Peacesquad · 2022-07-29T15:04:15+00:00

Man this sub is so toxic. Especially if you’re a man. The hate here for men is insane.

FadedTony · 2022-07-29T21:04:03+00:00

Why is every other post on here basically "women bad"

There's not going to be any women left here to give us any insight guys lol it's already getting close to an echo chamber in here.

JSears90210 · 2022-07-29T14:24:48+00:00

It is taking a small chunk of guys who could be considered BB. But there will always be a large enough % of men who are more than happy to be fall back plans. It hurts less desirable women because it will limit their options. They will still have options but not as many.

The flipside is the ever increasing number of men who have been taught by society and their mothers what they should want out of life and not to actually do soul searching to find out what is best for them. Encouraged to not have needs and wants of their own. This group is probably growing at a pace that replaces or even outpaces the spread of RP.

SwimmingTheme3736 · 2022-07-29T21:27:51+00:00

But what percentage of men have even heard of the red pill?

YveisGrey · 2022-07-29T21:43:22+00:00

I think women don’t want BBs because they don’t really need them not these days. Look at some of these wealthy men openly having mutiple baby mamas. Idk without marriage more men are ending up single and childless ultimately

boomershack · 2022-07-29T23:45:13+00:00

RP or the Manosphere are nothing compared to the countless legions of beta bucks looking for love from a woman. There will always be an abundance of beta bucks who want the white picket fence etc etc.

YourAverageTurkGuy · 2022-07-30T02:15:44+00:00

Shit take brother. OnlyFans and Tinder has proven times and times over that the majority of men will fold over women, getting nothing in return. This doesn’t really matter though because you choose how you live your life. Just don’t be one of those miserable pricks who spend their mom’s medication money to egirls and you’ll be fine.

DynamicCrab · 2022-07-30T03:27:02+00:00

Not really op. What's actually happening is that women who would normally settle for the beta cucks are now turning to Only Fans and have gotten into a relationship with fleeting beta cucks. All at the same time.

SDW137 · 2022-07-30T04:31:45+00:00

There's an endless supply of simps out there though, and always will be, no matter how "mainstream" the Red Pill gets.

Lithium- · 2022-07-30T06:58:51+00:00

Alright, I'm going to semi quote Rian Stone on this one. As alot of people seems to constantly miss the point of the Alpha Fucks/Beta Bux dynamic in a Long Term Relationship.

Alpha traits is what makes a woman have genuine sexual desire for a man and creates level of anxiety in a woman. Basicly the traits that include sexual tension and FOMO. Any High Value Man will usually have this in spades.

Beta traits is what makes a woman feel comfortable and safe. Cuddles, chocolate, killing that spider and handing tissues when he watches that RomCom with you. You feel safe, secure and know he is dependable, but not nessicarily a man you want to sleep with.

Now here is the kicker. Any man that is interested in a LTR with a woman needs to balance the two traits. To much Alpha for too long, then the girl is going to end up an nervous wreck if she is hoping for this guy to settle down. Too much Beta, then the girl will run the relationship till its end as the guy is walked all over and the mans sexual needs is not going to be met.

So how does this tie into OP's post?

If men start becoming more 'Alpha', it means woman will need to bring more to the table other than sex and sex appeal. It will be a woman's job to encourage a man to commit to her and make a monogamist relationship work. It also means there will be more men that women will actually genuinely desire, rather then going "fuck it, he'll have to do".

Killz4Thrillz954 · 2022-07-30T10:23:52+00:00

After being fucked over by many women for being “nice”, I learned my lesson. I’m no longer willing to stay for any bullshit. You do shady shit and im out

5MinuteMentalFitness · 2022-07-30T17:22:42+00:00

It’s not alpha bucks beta fucks

It’s short term luxury novelty exoticness (Aka looks money status) and long term family building bonding and strengthening.

This is evident by the two scientifically backed dual mating strategies of the sexes.

Switch (think of like an actual mating preferences switch that turns on short term or on long term or vice versa) and dual mating theory which i described above.

Yet what those theories fails to discuss is that women will gravitate towards taking a man in the short term (looks money status) and try to bring him up into the long term by changing him into a great father; provider, protector, etc.

Yet what tends to happen is that because people rarely change fully and permanently in the long run, they will get a temporary or sporadic change which women do put up with until they have children as our nervous systems synch the more we bind to our close loved ones.

Yet once women have children their nervous systems go from synching and bonding to their partner to then going and bonding to their children.

Thus because their partner has only surface changed behaviours she once tolerated because she had no children.L, she now has children so she no longer tolerates the behaviour and sees it as a threat to the children to the point where she feels her children would be safer without him. Hence the illusion of a bait and switch.

The more the man becomes a threat s as d refuses to change or only changes got her and himself or the kids, the more they grow apart and the more nastier divorce tends to be for the man as the wife is now hell bent on eliminating from the kids lives him at all costs.

Yet the women now single mother now also needs to care for children alone while protecting them from the father coming back, which is also a threat to children so her mating strategy kicks into high gear and she ends up having both her long term and short term mating strategies turn on at once, meaning she needs someone who is a good dad but also needs someone who could protect from the real Dad hence the illusion of alpha fucks beta bucks.

Sources: Andrew Huberman, Huberman Labs the science of love desire and attachment pod cast episode date February 14th 2022.

My own experiences and how I even used this knowledge to get my family back and have a healthier relationship then ever and others I know experiences who had these exact steps happen.

Throw in some evo psych other psych research and Adam Lane Smiths work.

2022-07-31T02:38:46+00:00

I think they do and just stay single. I think more men are redpill but typically undesirable men in some key way. Others are really emotionally damaged or misogynistic.

fake7272 · 2022-07-29T14:23:29+00:00

There will always be a line of men willing to pay for affection. Women will settle, they will stop their degenerate behavior and settle down. This revenge fantasy bullshit is just that, bullshit.

The manosphere has told a small, tiny percent of guys to not be betas but only about half of people use the internet in the US, let alone use reddit, let alone subscribe to the red pill.

PirateDocBrown · 2022-07-29T14:17:31+00:00

" I think many women are going to be completely screwed when they need a BB"

Nah, modern woman are strong and independent queans. They don't need a man.

Im_The_Daiquiri_Man · 2022-07-29T16:58:31+00:00

I’m somebody who definitely got “turned around” thanks to learning RP principles about 7 years ago and I believe it has helped a decent subset of men … BUT

Onlyfans, TikTok, Twitch, E-Girls, Instathots, Gofundme, Patreon, etc has been a fucking boom for women - THIS is what the modern “BB” looks like.

Add to that the fact that male sexlessness is still going up, and you will have a steady supply of save-a-ho’s at the ready.

If anything, the demand for an old school BB is decreasing, not the supply.

Smithersink · 2022-07-30T08:53:54+00:00

I agree men are becoming less willing to settle for the role of provider, but at the same time women are becoming less willing to fill the role men traditionally want them to. What makes you think it’s women who are screwed?

Character-Current-57 · 2022-07-29T13:02:36+00:00

Good. Let them starve. For some reason it’s okay for men to learn lessons with pain and negative reinforcement. We think we should protect women. No let them fall on their faces. The next generation will be better.

Mrs_Drgree · 2022-07-29T14:38:43+00:00

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sarkington · 2022-07-29T15:12:59+00:00

Marriage/settling isn’t dead

It just takes place a decade later, due economic and social factors, so people are freaking out over numbers

RocinanteCoffee · 2022-08-02T18:10:24+00:00

Women don't need "a man" to save them, that's such copium. Also your idea that single moms aren't doing just fine in the dating world.

Diddy_1978 · 2022-07-29T16:43:59+00:00

Literally your ‘AFBB’ theory does not translate in real life. Yeah sure, there’s some shitty people out there trying to exploit guys. Not many.

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afro-samourai · 2022-07-29T17:31:00+00:00

what is BB and AF ?

Wide-Illustrator2906 · 2022-07-29T21:23:44+00:00

More men are becoming red pilled and improving themselves so they don't end up a beta bux but the vast majority of men have never even heard of the red pill and are perfectly fine being a beta bux.

The9thHuman · 2022-08-07T15:01:23+00:00

this seems to be a huge issue yet

Title	The RP/Manosphere is making the Beta Bucks an endangered species and many women are going to be screwed.
Author	MAGA-Latino
Upvotes	119
Comments	464
Date	July 29, 2022 10:00 AM UTC (1 year ago)
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