The same way men were lied to about women, women were lied to about men.

OldSimpsonsisbetter · 2021-08-26T00:40:00+00:00

I think the main way women are lied to about men is telling them that the hot rich alpha male will sweep her off her feet, marry her and accept her the way she is, even though she's a fat ugly waste of space who refuses to cook, clean or be feminine.

Luna320 · 2021-08-26T00:23:38+00:00

The world is filled with lies and out dated knowledge/ideas

nemma88 · 2021-08-26T01:56:51+00:00

The same way men were lied to about women, women were lied to about men.

Yeah but not in the way you wrote it down.

A real man to me was one who worked for the relationship, doing the man stuff, while I worked on the relationship doing the woman's stuff, I grew up pretty traditionally, my mother was for the most part a SAHM, working limited hours and my dad worked, they had (and still have) a good affectionate relationship.

When I started dating my first real man cheated on me, then told me he didn't love me anymore, then told me he didn't want to lose me, and I was very confused - naivety or whatever but its really no different than the guys stories here. I did what I thought I was suppose to and got burned.

That's okay, you shed nievity after these things happen. After a time of mourning I let it go.

The problem as I see it these days is a lot of people unwilling to let things go and move on.

manfrom-nantucket · 2021-08-26T02:49:06+00:00

In the real world, men don't work that way. Men won't put up with toxic women.

Well men who know their self worth won't. Unfortunately there are a lot of men who are men but have no fucking idea how to be a man.

purplepilldthrowaway · 2021-08-26T00:30:15+00:00

A real man tolerates abuse, shitty behavior, and unfairness from women.

Lol what? When were women sold this lie?

Orange_Paisley · 2021-08-26T00:28:22+00:00

Where did you get the notion that women believe they can abuse and exploit their partners with impunity, because that was definitely not something I was led to believe.

thetruthishere_ · 2021-08-26T01:24:52+00:00

A real man takes care of kids that aren't his. A real man pays for everything and doesn't ask for anything in return. A real man sacrifices his happiness, time, and money for women. A real man tolerates abuse, shitty behavior, and unfairness from women.

I was never taught this nor any woman I know.

Ihateregistering6 · 2021-08-26T11:20:14+00:00

A real man takes care of kids that aren't his. A real man pays for everything and doesn't ask for anything in return. A real man sacrifices his happiness, time, and money for women. A real man tolerates abuse, shitty behavior, and unfairness from women.

Do you have any specific examples of seeing this in fiction? I feel like I can easily provide lots of examples of the "nice guy eventually gets the girl and jock douchebag guy doesn't" in movies/TV, but I can't think of many movies with the trope you're talking about.

"I can be as shitty as I want, because a real man will love me regardless."

Not sure I buy this one. Even in Disney Princess movies, the Princess was almost always shown as being kind and caring. She was also always shown as being attractive.

-Ivar-TheBoneless · 2021-08-26T17:34:54+00:00

I would agree except I see that's what females tell themselves that and they are trying to cancel anyone that says otherwise. Just look at the blowback that Kevin Samuels is getting for telling females the truth.

Nation_of_Two · 2021-08-26T01:08:30+00:00

The following:

Women were sold the lie of a real manTM. A real man takes care of kids that aren't his. A real man pays for everything and doesn't ask for anything in return. A real man sacrifices his happiness, time, and money for women. A real man tolerates abuse, shitty behavior, and unfairness from women. No. This type of thinking only serves to excaberate a woman's bad character and absolve her of responsibility. "I can be as shitty as I want, because a real man will love me regardless."

...is not what we were told. At all. Women like myself were raised to believe that men are smarter and better than us, that we should submit, that women should not be leaders ever, that women are inferior. Also other things like men being horndogs and never to trust them, which was oddly contradicting the superiority of men. We were lied to yes, but not the lies you listed.

mydikishomofobik · 2021-08-26T00:54:29+00:00

Men like that actually do exist. But the thing is they're more likely to be young naïve guys with no experience. And young women don't want boring nice guys. Then by the time they want those guys (dual mating strategy) a lot of the nice guys are older and wiser and no longer willing to put up with that.

In other words, the 18 yo virgin nice guy might put up with a toxic single mother cause he doesn't know any better. But 18 yo girl doesn't want Mr. Boring Virgin Nice Guy. She wants that guy when she's 45. But when the nice guy guy is 45 he's been around the block and no longer has time for the BS.

Flightlessbirbz · 2021-08-26T01:33:50+00:00

Women were lied to alright, but not about “real men” tolerating abuse and shitty behavior. At least I never got that message from movies or tv or my family or anything growing up. We were lied to most that if we’d just give the nerdy manchild a chance, he’d turn into a prince. Or that the right guy is going to like us for our personality. These are the kinds of messages romcoms and media in general tend to send women. There’s little about the harsher realities of dating for men OR women.

yayayubsea · 2021-08-26T01:05:12+00:00

Lol I’ve never thought a real man does any of those things you named

Nihi1986 · 2021-08-26T01:00:36+00:00

That's not true. Women were told a lie too but wasn't that lie.

The 'real man' BS is something that society (or is it women?) pushes so a man fall in the trap and start providing and sacrificing themselves for a woman and a child who isn't his, all while tolerating certain behaviours and manipulations.

It could also be understood as society brainwashing women into finally dating good men (real men) who they probably don't even consider manly enough.

Anyway, I don't think most women believe that lie and I don't think it was targeted at women. It's also not entirely a lie, there are lots of lonely men willing to be like that 'real man', and not so lonely blue pilled men who think it's noble, even a duty.

The lies they were told were others.

Perseus_the_Bold · 2021-08-26T06:25:50+00:00

Which begs the question: Who's the one doing the lying? Who is propagating the lies we are told, and why? Is this a self-deception, or a mass collective deception, or both?

This post is the definition of The Red Pill. It's a well thought out observation that is uncovering a hidden facet about our perception of reality which forces the reader to question what they think they know. It also exposes the reader to a new perspective that's more closely aligned with reality.

You just dropped a Red Pill here. Mighty fine job of it too.

PMmeYourHopes-Dreams · 2021-08-26T07:47:22+00:00

Another lie that was sold to women is that "all men are pigs" - they always cheat.

DerekMorganBAU · 2021-08-26T12:21:23+00:00

A lot of women have a hard time grasping the concept of emotional maturity for the sake of a man because it feels as if its confirmation that as they are they aren't "good enough."

Overall men make more relationship compromises than women hell sometimes the compromise men make IS dating them instead of discarding them so that they can get access to more pussy. Then when the "beta nice guy" gets more options than he thought he could get he cheats even though he's a 5'2 janitor because he only entered an LTR out of convenience.

superlurkage · 2021-08-26T14:24:21+00:00

It’s not lies. It’s ideals. And you can twist them up to serve your needs if you like

vial_of_music · 2021-08-26T17:29:54+00:00

It all roots in childhood. If you’re anyone that doesn’t have a secure attachment style and havent found someone who is also secure.. well.. good luck with that lol

blueribbonskies · 2021-08-29T03:50:23+00:00

How about the lie of " men view you as people" sold to women still.

VasiliyZaitzev · 2021-08-26T02:22:51+00:00

LOL. Women are crystal clear on who is the guy you fuck and who is the guy you marry. They know it in their bones if they don't know it in their brains.

No woman is happy with a doormat unless they literally have no other options.

lemurianelf · 2021-08-26T03:18:23+00:00

Yeah I assure you no woman has been taught that. Maybe some women with crazy mothers.

The lie we were told is about Prince Charming, Mr Darcy all that jazz. Handsome, wealthy, kind man who will meet us and understand love, devote himself to us and only us, never leave or hurt, provide and nurture.

That's on Disney though and Jane Austen.

Aldabruzzo · 2021-08-26T13:45:14+00:00

I don't agree with this. Women weren't lied to. Women are in the power position and have been for years. So, whatever women want, they get, or they just issue their threats of "ok then, no sex for you!!" and then shittalk those men to high heaven.

Women are carefully taught the truth about men, male sexual nature, and their own nature. Women understand very well what men want, what attracts them, and what keeps them. Women know a lot more about men and male nature than men know about women and female nature - mostly because of a systematic effort to keep the truth from men and to keep women in power.

In the real world, men don't work that way. Men won't put up with toxic women. The moment you become more trouble than its worth, a rational person will cut you out of their life.

Horseshit. In the real world there are legions on regiments of men who put up with toxic women. The reason those men put up with those toxic women is that a scrap or two of sex now and then is better than no sex at all. Most men live in sexual deserts, so they'll take any respite they can get. And if all they can get is a toxic bitch who throws them a table scrap every so often, they'll take it, and they'll put up with whatever she does to them. Those men don't cut those toxic bitches off, because those men aren't being rational. Their need for sex and their feelings far outweigh the logic of cutting off and cutting out a woman who takes way, way more than she gives. (Where the hell do you think TRP came from? Toxic women, the effects of toxic women on men's lives, and the efforts it takes to get rid of toxic women, are the entire raison d'etre of Married Red Pill.)

TRP is there for these men if they want it, and there have been some who have clung to the life preserver TRP threw them. But millions of men live the way I just described, mostly because they don't know or can't see anything better.

LittyKitsune · 2021-08-26T01:09:17+00:00

I hate to break it to you but virtually none of the messages you're talking about are gender exclusive.

The "man/woman who's willing to raise kids that aren't theirs as their own" is literally all over the place. The kind beloved nanny who cares about the kids like a real mom and marries their widowed father is one of the most played out tropes. Doesn't have to be a nanny either, I was just watching Sleepless in Seattle the other night.

In a certain iconic chick flick from the 2000s a woman missing her boyfriend's birthday party because something came up at work and she couldn't get out of it treated as the worst sin she could ever commit and the audience is clearly supposed to side with him. Something like that probably wouldn't fly in a 2021 chick flick but the fact that somebody okayed that in the 21st century is still pretty crazy to me.

Kaisha001 · 2021-08-26T00:48:24+00:00

Women were sold the lie of a real man^^TM. A real man takes care of kids that aren't his. A real man pays for everything and doesn't ask for anything in return. A real man sacrifices his happiness, time, and money for women. A real man tolerates abuse, shitty behavior, and unfairness from women. No. This type of thinking only serves to excaberate a woman's bad character and absolve her of responsibility. "I can be as shitty as I want, because a real man will love me regardless."

Most of this is just typical female shame tactics. It's how they manipulate men IRL, or at least did at one point. It's becoming less and less effective as it's been over used and men care less and less about what women think. Hence why they keep 'upping the game' in terms of shaming tactics.

slaughterproof · 2021-08-26T02:25:12+00:00

Isn't that the ironic part? They want a successful, strong-willed man that they can make bend to their will and turn him into a spineless, invested "yes" man. That's got to be the ultimate validation for most women.

AndrewEmbarricedYang · 2021-08-26T16:53:07+00:00

Women are not taught any of this. This might be the lowest quality post I've ever seen on this sub.

SaBahRub · 2021-08-26T03:54:37+00:00

The “real” man you describe is exceptional.

Normal, not mentally ill or dysfunctional women do not expect that

However, women, just like dudes, will suspend our suspicion for the chance of the exceptional.

Taking a gamble is not gender specific. “You miss 100% of the shots you don’t take” doesn’t just apply to men.

It’s just ok for men to do this but not for women, for some reason

Jamless_fem · 2021-08-26T03:58:39+00:00

Your idea of what women think of real men is completely wrong.

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Jakes1967 · 2021-08-26T07:58:55+00:00

The same way men were lied to about women, women were lied to about men.

Definitely true

Men do not work this way. Women do not work that way. People do not behave in these stereotypical ways. Its all bullshit. Holding onto these Boomer beliefs does more harm than good to anyone looking for a relationship.

The odd thing, who sold society this bullshit? Was it men or women?

redditthrowaway1478 · 2021-08-26T12:22:27+00:00

A real man takes care of kids that aren't his.

This one I don't get. Where the hell did ANYONE get this messaging?

Is this an old lie boomers' parents told them or something?

boomershack · 2021-08-26T15:21:28+00:00

A real man takes care of kids that aren't his.

God Forbid! 🙅

xFallacyx69 · 2021-08-26T16:48:21+00:00

Maybe… but only men are told to grow up and stop believing in a fantasy when they cry foul. Women are told that they aren’t at fault cuz their version of romance is perfect and could never be toxic…

And still only one gender will have the majority of the other gender throwing themselves at you constantly to enable your shit behavior regardless

mindsanitizer · 2021-08-26T18:57:21+00:00

LMAO men are simple as fuck. Any woman who doesn’t understand men must be a retard.

Lateralanouncer · 2021-08-26T19:26:59+00:00

Woman changed and men have/are adapting. The big lye was that woman can live like the sex in the city series then mr big Will want you after your run through at 30,40,50.

This literally changed everything and conflicts with what men want or value.

These men are stitched up by Marriage minded woman who find them early.

Banned_On_Facebook · 2021-08-26T20:06:35+00:00

One of my therapy clients married a single mom with three children. She treated him like garbage, physically abused him, and got him arrested. He still loved her and wanted to stay with her!

rich_man_88 · 2021-08-27T08:33:48+00:00

There are many simps who are just like what you described, but women completely ignore them

Willow-girl · 2021-08-27T11:39:48+00:00

Women were sold the lie of a real manTM.

Who is telling women this? Certainly not the mothers of my generation. Girls of my generation were told that men are a pain in the rear but you have to put up with them because Meal Ticket. Also, that teenaged boys Only Want One Thing, and husbands will dump you if you Let Yourself Go.

Traditionally, men were viewed as a necessary evil.

catsinbananahats · 2021-08-30T15:59:17+00:00

I disagree. The most harmful lie women are told is that all men are lustful. From the time we are little girls we are told we'll soon be "beating boys off with a stick".

In high school I was told that most boys my age wanted sex and that I needed to be careful or I'd end up raped. It led to paranoia that was reinforced by the media. I'd never hang out with guys or try to be friends with them because I was scared they would want sex.

BabyOutrageous468 · 2021-08-31T15:43:39+00:00

There goes people starting gender wars in the comments

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