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This trend of women feeling entitled to a man of much higher SMV will end up with a lot of women getting cheated on and/or replaced.

August 22, 2022
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I keep seeing women everywhere demanding and feeling entitled to men of a much higher SMV then themselves. I mostly see a lot of younger women laughing at guys that are being passed up, but there's a lot that they refuse to take into account.

First off there's just not enough HVM that are single to go around. So by definition many women just won't be able to have one all to themselves. So many women will either have to settle or share him.

Not to mention that the men that are actually willing to be with these women are watching. Especially now social media has made that easier. Then those men might decide that they don't want to be settled for. Women aren't able to lie and say they just "had bad luck and couldn't find the right guy" anymore now that men have TRP.

Then with women demanding a man of higher SMV will make some men attempt to settle. Some men will decide that having something is better than nothing and will get with those Lower SMV women.

What women can't seem to understand is that he's still going to have desires for a hotter girl and he will cheat. Beta males occasionally get lucky, and if he isn't satisfied with what he has at home he will cheat.

Or when he has boosted his SMV enough he might just decide he wants an upgrade. Plenty of men that aren't accomplished yet will settle, but when he does become accomplished there's a good chance that he might want a woman of higher SMV now that he can get one.

If you look at "sugar daddies" most of them are married. He isn't satisfied with what he has at home so he makes an arrangement with a hotter woman to satisfy his needs. So those women that want a HVM but don't have the SMV to satisfy him might just have to share his resources with his sugar baby.

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Title This trend of women feeling entitled to a man of much higher SMV will end up with a lot of women getting cheated on and/or replaced.
Author MAGA-Latino
Upvotes 176
Comments 480
Date August 22, 2022 10:38 AM UTC (5 months ago)
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[–]SoIlikeMangos 40 points41 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

In my country men can have up to 4 wives. Do you know who has more than more than 1? The least educated, poorest men living in the most terrible conditions.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Really? Wouldn't that be too expensive?

[–]FFTzzzIslam is wrong about everybody. 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's all about what standard of living people chose for themselves. In rich countries MC/UMC couples debate about the affordability and unbearable sacrifices of having a single child while the lower classes are full of single moms with 4 children.

[–]SoIlikeMangos 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not really. These women come from such abusive houses they don't even give a shit.

[–]ParsleyLimp 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

So I also Live in a country where polygamy is widespread (not a citizen tho). If you don’t mind I had a question. Do you know how the dynamics between the women work out in this kind of situation? Like in the long term how harmonious is this kind of marriage situation?

[–]SoIlikeMangos 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

These women marry young. Like under 16. They come from abusive or poor families so they don't care about being the second wife. It's like choosing between bad & worse.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 178 points179 points  (61 children) | Copy Link

Poor men and low class men cheat and replace women all of the time.

I grew up in a trailer park, those men weren't more faithful or better partners because they were poor.

Shitty and trashy people are going to be shitty and trashy.

Cheating and leaving partner isn't only restricted to high society.

And statistically people with more education, more wealth, who grew up in a higher class tend to have the longest, healthiest, and most peoductive relationships.

[–]Lazysaurus 7 points8 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

"In fact, nearly 70 percent of divorces are initiated by women. This is according to a 2015 research study conducted by the American Sociological Association (ASA) which suggests two-thirds of all divorces are initiated by women. Among college-educated women, this number jumps up to 90%."

https://www.whitleylawfirmpc.com/3-reasons-why-women-initiate-divorce-more-often-than-men/

[–]gofigure62No Pill 8 points9 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

This sub is literally a broken record. Read the comments any other time this stat is posted.

[–]Lazysaurus 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretending there's a concensus is comforting but self-deceptive

[–]coastFI_chaser 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It doesn't state the reasons for divorce though. If I initiate the divorce by doing the paper work but it's mutual then the data is only recording who does more of the administrative labour. This stat is so misleading and lacking in context. Much like wage gap stats which often don't provide good insight to the myraid of issues in the workplace.

[–]Lazysaurus 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

So... more educated women do more paper work even though they oppose it? Please cite your source.

[–]coastFI_chaser 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

I’m merely highlighting this topic requires much more research and clearer understanding before drawing any firm conclusions.

For example, if I initiated the divorce filing after being abused it’s not really the woman that caused the divorce per se. Or if her partner was delaying and she decided to finalise it although it was mutual.

Not to mention it doesn’t explain why women leave. I can assume more educated women have more options and financial security to leave undesirable relationships. More educated women are likely more liberal, less religious and understand their rights so won’t feel intimated to stay.

But this research leaves me with a plethora of questions. Whether women are much more unhappy in marriages than men, if so, why? Are men better suited to current marriage arrangements, if so, why? What are the causes of divorces typically as I know money is a big one?

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ -2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Poor men and low class men cheat and replace women all of the time.

If they can get better they were MUCH HIGHER SMV which doesn't indicate high class only.

[–]gofigure621 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

No one has "higher smv" in a fucking trailer park. Some of these dudes were literally junkies with HIV.

This sub is such a joke.

[–]Icky138 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

the title of this thread had me bent over laughing unable to breathe. what a joke.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 36 points37 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men cheating and leaving their women for someone else is literally a media trope.

I have no idea why this sub is hellbent on pretending that attractive men with money are the only men who are shitty lol.

[–]AutomaticMeaning3844 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It seems like income barely matters in SMV anymore until $1MM+ a year.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It does matter since women still marry men who earn more. The only difference is women now consider that since they can make their own money then it nerfs men's SMV. When you earn 300$ more than her it's like you have the SMV of a dude who earns 300$.

[–]WOPR-1983 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

And statistically people with more education, more wealth, who grew up in a higher class tend to have the longest, healthiest, and most peoductive relationships.

With their equals.

Not with Becky The Degreed Frump Girl.

Average women get used like sports socks by high value men.

But that's okay, they already justify it with mental gymnastics:

"Well, the lesser men are going to treat me like shit anyways."

Well, then... have fun I guess.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 19 points20 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Typically people date within their class and culture.

And all men are capable of being shit. Idk what you investment is in trying to pretend that methed out Kyle in the trailer park won't cheat or leave.

[–]WOPR-1983 -1 points0 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The idea that all men treat all women like shit, so woman "may as well" just sport fuck hot guys is the biggest "slut positive" copium of this entire PPD realm.

There ARE men who would treat these women well, they just have no interest in them (can't negotiate attraction). The claim that lower value men (or men in their league) with mistreat them is just rationalisation for the behaviour.

Doesn't matter. As long as Beta Brads are walking away from the game and doing their own thing, it's of no relevance. Or sent again. Again, doesn't matter.

She's got her money and her Chad cock. She doesn't need anything else. I just encourage men to never invest anything in these women. No friendship, no assistance, no "shoulder", no labor, no help. Nothing.

Chad gets the pussy? Let Chad do the work.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 14 points15 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Why are you downplaying that there are low educated/no educated low income men that treat women like shit?

What do you get out of down playing this demographic? Because I grew up in a trailer park and it wasn't just a "few" bad apples there.

[–]GGMcThroway 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

high value men

I like the mental gymnastics of using high value men with chad. Even though Chad's value is determined by men and an HVM's by women.

[–]greyok_ -2 points-1 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I've noticed that. I grew up poor and honestly got laid more driving an old brown 80s van in my early 20s than driving a Land Rover and wearing nicer clothes now! I hardly ever see dateable women anymore unless they're doing some obscenely trashy shit or just hanging out at bars getting wasted like most of them do.

Statistically, women barely educate themselves because they can rely on men to pay for all of their stuff, even without locking them in with a child.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Poor people don't do anything but fuck because they have nothing else to live for. Fucking is the only validation that they have in life.

[–]greyok_ 2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I think fucking is ONLY for poor people.

Rich people get charged for it. That's why sugaring is only a rich person thing.

If you're just trying to get laid, move to a drug friendly area and just party. They'll come to YOU. You won't even have to drive.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 5 points6 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I agree. But this sub always turns it's nose up at fucking poor women for some reason. Being a middle class guy in the trailer park or skidrow would automatically make most of these me HVM by their own logic.

[–]Caring_CactusPurple Pill Man 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

>I hardly ever see dateable women anymore unless they're doing some obscenely trashy shit

Don't you mean the opposite, when they're not doing trashy stuff?

[–]greyok_ -1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

No, I see them at stripclubs or posted on corners and I consider it because they're attractive but then remember they're also ratchet and probably have HIV. I'm not dating a hoochie.

[–]Caring_CactusPurple Pill Man 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your original quote said you don't see a woman as datable unless they're doing trashy stuff lol. A lot of us were confused by that, but this clarifies the honest mistake.

Edit: grammar and syntax.

[–]Mouse1701 -2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

"And statistically people with more education, more wealth, who grew up in a higher class tend to have the longest, healthiest, and most peoductive relationships.". Apparently you don't pay attention to Hollywood & pop stars. The website TMZ is dedicated to giving you the news of the stars infidelity and divorces.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 9 points10 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Apparently you think "wealthier and educated" means celebrity.

Sorry to say, that it doesn't.

[–]Caring_CactusPurple Pill Man 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

More money does not mean emotionally secure though, unless they have a personality for a good social circle. Having good emotional intelligence is dependent more so on the individual than any circumstances. People in good environments or circumstances are not always happy, that's just the human experience until we all become more emotionally mature.

[–]greyok_ -2 points-1 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Celebrity status is one of the easiest and most common ways to become rich when you're young, though. The vast majority of people aren't inheriting millions or becoming CEOs in their twenties. Sports, acting, pop music, etc., has made more rich youth than anything else.

Most of them are dandies living the hi-so lifestyle on a trailer park salary, anyway.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There is a world of money, wealth, and generational wealth that isn't just "celebrities".

And wealth doesn't also just mean the the ultral wealthy. It means those wealthier than the average poor.

[–]Mouse1701 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

I said nothing about being educated. Majority of Celebrities are wealthy or at least give an attempt of people thinking and believing they are wealthy. Either way celebrities are people with a certain level of high status having people wait on you hand and foot always wanting to take a selfie with the celebrity. There are wealthy men and educated that are beta male weaklings. I would Amazon Jeff Bezos, Microsoft bill gates are a few. You can still be a celebrity and be ugly and give off creepy behavior.

[–]gofigure62No Pill 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Clearly you don't even know what you literally just quoted lol

[–]Truth_Sellah_SeekahNigeria Pill 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Apex fallacy

oh wait...

[–]tinasnow-poty 62 points63 points  (45 children) | Copy Link

So the options you’ve presented to us are:

  1. Share a HVM with other women
  2. Be with a beta male that will cheat on me if he gets the chance
  3. Be with a beta male who will leave me once he improves his SMV

Well if all these guys are gonna treat me rubbish and leave me then I might as well choose the hot one. What are you suggesting we do here?

[–]fakingandnotmakingit 29 points30 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Hahahaha

Yeah I'm like

Hvm will treat me badly

Beta male will treat me badly

Lvm may treat me badly.

If all three are correct, why the fuck would i go for the bottom two?

[–]WOPR-1983 -2 points-1 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

"Lower value men will treat me badly too." isn't reality.
It's pure fucking copium.

[–]fakingandnotmakingit 15 points16 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

What happened to beta males occasionally get lucky and they will cheat too. And if they manage to get their smv high enough they get options and cheat.

So settle for a guy so shit he can never have options and so makes me unhappy by default because that's how shit he is. Be unhappy with a a guy who will cheat if his life gets better. Be unhappy with a hmv.

Hm.... Easy to see which is the better choice

[–]WOPR-1983 -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

For women? Being used as a cum receptacle by a guy who knows he can do better in a heartbeat? And at best be a forever girlfriend? And we all know she's doing all of his housework to keep him around too. She bitches here, but not to him because if she did, he'd just replace her with an equally willing, average less bitchy woman.

Women want to believe their only two options are "bang maid to a beta" or "Chad's plaything."

It's 100% rationalisation. There are still men out there who will treat women well. These men are invisible to women and "you can't negotiate attraction" so, enjoy the assholes you're all attracted to I guess?

Sure let's go with that. So why so many women here bitching then if Chad Life is so good. Oh, because Chad goes and plays touch football and leaves the bathroom a mess and showers three times a day.... Right.

[–]Caring_CactusPurple Pill Man 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What is with this low or high value crud, none of this determines how they treat you, and if "HV" also means higher emotional intelligence to have a decent personality that's obviously the better choice.

[–]WOPR-1983 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If she's a high value woman herself, then no problem. She can lock him down.

If she's not, she'll get used for sex for a while, but call it a "trist" or some other way of denying to herself she was used for sex.

[–]GypsyRainCreate 12 points13 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

Choose a woman, maybe? Told my guy last night. He's the last penis I'm choosing. Tired of this BS. Plus. Batteries. And now rechargeables and glass. So, men who wanna cheat and beat on women can suck it

[–]tinasnow-poty 21 points22 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They genuinely can’t fathom we would be happier single than being cheated on

[–]GypsyRainCreate 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I know. It's simply unfathomable. Cheated on or beat upon

[–]IceC19 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Oh yeah, those are the only options 😵‍💫😵‍💫

[–]Mouse1701 -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I could care less I have been in the free agent lifestyle for a while. I enjoy my piece.

[–]Mouse1701 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

U can tell me that all you want it doesn't mean you will get it

[–]GypsyRainCreate 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I really don't give two shits. If I never do. Batteries and electricity are plentiful. And I love my toy box. So keep up the bs see how much cookie you get

[–]stefan00790 -1 points0 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Damn i mean its not really this shallow in the real world how this OP portrayed it at all .. But your reply "Choose a woman , maybe ? "how is it that easy to just choose a woman for you do you change your orientation on demand is it based on feelings "if men are trash and they abused me iam dating woman from now on " , "if women or all humans are trash and they treat me bad iam dating chimps " ... etc . its unfathomable how Endless opportunities woman have .

[–]GypsyRainCreate -1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Try surviving the hell of a life I've survived. Then we can talk

[–]stefan00790 -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ohh iam 99% sure you don't even have an idea what i've been throught but keep your selfish persona up because once you fall you might end up there .

[–]DaddysPrincesss26 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be Childfree, Single and Happy

[–]MickIsBlue -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

You think beta males are destined to leave you once he improves? So you want a beta male that never improves?

[–]tinasnow-poty 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i don’t want any of these options but that’s what OP said. I was trying to highlight how ridiculous he sounds

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -5 points-4 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Or just get a beta male one SMV point below you and he should be happy with you.

[–]tinasnow-poty 26 points27 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

But you said in the post that if he gets a chance with someone hotter than me he will cheat, and if he gets more accomplished he will leave me

[–]ImaginaryList174 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You can't use reason and intellect in these made up fantasy incel scenarios ok? Thats not how it works. End of story is you're supposed to go for a guy a couple points lower than you and it will all work out for everyone. Just give them a chance. /s

[–]tinasnow-poty 9 points10 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

you’re right, silly me! What was I thinking for even using the reasoning he presented in his own post

[–]Fiestygirl000 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Why date a low value man, that based on your logic once he levels up he’ll cheat or heave.

Might as date the hot chad. Results are the same

[–]throwaway_clean1 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I think you should get with a principled guy. Naturally a HVM that's principled will be much harder to get, but I think lots of women overlook good, honest, regular guys and treat them poorly.

[–]tinasnow-poty 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed there are more options in the real world. Indeed there are many people that get treated poorly

[–]Correct-Warthog-9061 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Every women is so uncomfortable with sharing. A man could love multiple women

[–]tinasnow-poty 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

more power to em, just don’t involve me in it

[–]Correct-Warthog-9061 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

But seriously what's the problem with sharing man. U want the best man u could get and other women want him too. Men love sexual variety. Why so agianst sharing?

[–]tinasnow-poty 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

The best man I can get has similar values to me including monogamy.. a guy into harems or polyamory won’t be in the equation.

I don’t like sharing because it’s painful (to me) to watch my man have intimacy with someone else

[–]Phasmatodea90 30 points31 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Naw man. Some homely idiot cheated on Emily Ratajkowski.

[–]toasterchild 25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think most of this shit is based on assumptions about what she's holding out for. Amost every time i turned a guy i met online down for a date after chatting a bit he's react saying I'll never find this perfect dream man I'm looking for. Um dude, just because i don't see myself dating you doesn't mean i have unrealistic expectations, i can just tell we wouldn't be a good personally fit.

[–]GypsyRainCreate 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Same. Honestly, when I turn down a second or even a first date, it's often because they fail to respect boundaries. For instance, I had a call to set up a first date where he finally revealed he was a retired cop (sorry, I used to work as a dispatcher and I also smoke cannabis, anyone in the criminal justice system is out of bounds for me until that shits legal federally, just can't risk that even if they say they are ok with it because I simply won't put someone's career at risk over my pain, nausea, anxiety and cptsd meds). I figured retired, ok, I'll risk it especially since he retired out of Colorado and uses as well. Except very shortly after, he tells me he refuses to respect my boundaries because he doesn't want to and doesn't have to. After I asked him to repeat then clarify himself, conversation was over. The man thought his status gives him the right to do what he wants, when he wants. Not to me, buddy. Next day, new guy. After talking about setting up a date, sends me a pic, he's been from his patrol car. Mfr active duty cop. Had to walk away for that reason and the fact he also made similar statements about my boundaries. My boundaries are simply no intimate touch until I grant permission (I've survived a bunch of flavors of hell for frame of reference, so, boundaries are serious for me early on). Had another guy tell me I should've started having sex with my adult son when he hit puberty and should still be having sex with him to this day because he would've loved it. He didn't get past the phone call either. One guy did, but wouldn't stop touching me and trying to put my hands on his body. Guy told me, himself, that at 50ish, he'd never been in a relationship. His behavior screamed why. I kept asking him to stop, he didn't. No second return contact much less second date.

I've been turned away for much more ridiculous reasons. One guy was because I was asleep when he texted and I waited until I was awake to return his text. Flat out told me (after a week of talking and this was actually the first text to discuss a meetup) he'd lost interest overnight. Another dumped me after a few weeks of hot and heavy dating, not just seeing each other, dating mind you....he didn't like my favorite singer or favorite guilty pleasure tv show. We'd spent weeks going over stuff he liked. I told him Two...yep TWO things about me and suddenly, not a good match. This wasn't even an online match. Someone I knew IRL for months before agreeing to a date. Most recent guy who thought he was dumping me (I say thought, but I had already walked away because I'd caught him in a massive lie in an attempt to manipulate me that he finally admitted to in this conversation) thought he was dumping me because I occasionally smoke cigarettes (any time I have a broken tooth from my vitamin deficiencies, I smoke until I can get into a dentist to kill the nerve root) and he claimed I lied to him about that and never told him about my cannabis use in the beginning. Except, I smoked throughout our entire first date and can recall almost word for word the entire cannabis conversation from the first date (which is a fucking miracle for me but I actually had three first dates that day, one being Mr. Handsy) and he set up date two, three and four. Plus, it's plain as day spelled out about both in my OLD profile where we matched to begin with so there's that. He finally confessed that he just couldn't see anything between us as long as I used cannabis (or tobacco). I just said I already was expecting that response and bye. He wouldn't shut up though. I finally had to tell him to leave me the hell alone and walk away cuz I'm not giving up either for him or any man. (Little did he know, I was already actively seeking solutions that would be less problematic for him, if he hadn't tried to manipulate me. So, as my favorite artist sings, he coulda had a bad bitch....)

Guess I should add, if I'm interested enough in a second date, unless the guy starts throwing up serious red flags that make me fear him, I'm unlikely to turn down future dates.

ETA:. I also tell everyone up front if they are playing the game solo with me or not. I always ask them if they wish to be exclusive. If that's what they prefer, I don't play the field if I choose to keep seeing them. Right now, I'm exclusive. But at the same time, I chat online with some people to flex my naughty talk muscles that lack imo. And he knows and approved before I proceeded to do so.

[–]lunarwitch13 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah I think most the guys in here have a deluded view on what women think. We don’t have a fucking tick box where we’re only dating guys who match each of our requirements. Dating isn’t logical like that. We literally just go with whoever we feel a connection and a spark with, and can get along with well. If I have chemistry with a guy and can see us getting along as friends too, then thats when I’d go on a date with him. I’m not holding out for a fckin 6ft8 jacked rich dude, in fact I don’t even find that attractive. The majority of the guys I’ve dated have been about 5ft7 and I’ve loved their personality, we have chemistry and the more my connection with a guy deepens, the more attractive I find them.

[–]TermAggravating8043 122 points123 points  (130 children) | Copy Link

They don’t need to settle or share. They can just be happy being single, buy a cat and a dildo rather that shackling themselves to a guy just for the sake of it.

[–]catniagara 42 points43 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Most of us are just dating well adjusted men our own age after going through the normal series of try ons and breakups

[–]Why_am_I_LikeThis27 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is the truth on the ground out in the world. I confirm.

[–]Caring_CactusPurple Pill Man 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

People who touch grass will realize this is reality, not these few experiences like OP is talking about.

[–]Rylakb1 points [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link

Common behaviour for women over 30.

[–]Onion1995 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

30 isn’t old, gtfo with your projecting.🙄

[–]Rylakb 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No, i’m free to state any opinion i have on the matter, whether you like it or not. 😌

[–]WOPR-1983 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Most of us are just dating well adjusted men our own age after going through the normal series of try ons and breakups

Try-ons and breakups...

Methinks this is really "fucking high SMV guys until one sticks around."

But, call it what you want...

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 9 points10 points  (76 children) | Copy Link

Then many of them will have to do just that. Team spinster.

[–]globalholiday5090 26 points27 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

call it spinster call it sigma in the end its the same just be happy with your own company and dont worry about the rest

[–]TermAggravating8043 47 points48 points  (72 children) | Copy Link

Wouldnt you rather be a spinster than dumped with a man-child

[–]BCEXP 50 points51 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

So a guy is a man-child because he's not Chad? Noted

[–]melody_of_No Pill 38 points39 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

They dont see a difference 7/10 times

[–]TermAggravating8043 22 points23 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

No, it’s a guy that wants/expects a women to look after him, sometimes referee to as a “bang-maid”

[–]HeavyMetalLyrics 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Ridiculous strawman

Edit: Stay mad, incels

[–]modidlee 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So only the extremes of Mr Perfect HVM or Mr Manchild exist?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 17 points18 points  (45 children) | Copy Link

Many of these men are not man children. They just aren't 6 feet and/or they're careers haven't taken off yet.

Maybe I rather be a spinster then with a man child, but not over a good guy that's only 5"8'.

[–]nofapPLEASESTOP1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

“Man child” is just to cope.

The men aren’t behaving like children. They have their own place, cook, and make $$.

[–]TermAggravating8043 23 points24 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

Perhaps, I don’t care for height, but I don’t want to end up taking care of him which unfortunately happens a lot. Also explains why women are happily single, and men are desperate for a gf to look after them

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

No man’s getting rejected just because he’s 5’8” you have no idea why most men get rejected, today it’s because most men treat women terribly. That’s why I’m team spinster at 20

[–]purplish_possum 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Of course -- every meh guy is deficient don't you know.

[–]TermAggravating8043 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well if he can’t look after himself then.... yeh

[–]Rare-Cash2655 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Men are not that great, get over it. Been single for 9 years, I love my cats to death!

[–]attendquoi 15 points16 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I got a husband who also loves cats. Best of both worlds.

[–]purplish_possum 8 points9 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

They can just be happy being single,

Yet they still share Chad. They just call it dating.

Being part of Chad's "dating" rotation is still sharing.

[–]TermAggravating8043 14 points15 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

If they want that. As long as everyone’s communicating and getting tested then what’s the problem

[–]MarjieJ98354 20 points21 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand why you keep harping on women dating Chad. Women want good sex, just like men. Chad can probably give a woman more pleasure in 5 minutes than most men care to give a woman in her whole lifetime. If she's dating Chad, she's a slut; If she's over 30 she past the wall; when she rejects you, she fat, past the wall and a slut. I mean you have already dismissed/shown hate to 80% of the women that don't pay attention to you. These women seem to be coping despite your preconceived hatred of them. Women know that society has cursed them. Women are living within our means. We know how to buy a dildo, when we can't get decent dick AND WE DON'T GO WHERE WE ARE NOT WANTED.

[–]Icky138 16 points17 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

“i can’t understand why women don’t like me” 🤣

[–]purplish_possum 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

My n-count is almost 60. I'm not complaining. I'm just explaining.

[–]nofapPLEASESTOP 1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Until they are 50+. Do you even know any older women

[–]TermAggravating8043 21 points22 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I know many, and most of them are fed up with men.

[–]GYN-k4H-Q3z-75BΣ 13 points14 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

A lot of them seem fed up with life in general and are just constantly pissed.

[–]TermAggravating8043 17 points18 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Wouldn’t you be? Expected to pick up after everyone and care for everyone? Always the last one to sit down at the table and the first to get up?

[–]john_boste 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

At 40 I started noticing the majority of the women in my life start becoming angry at every little thing that doesn’t matter at all.

[–]HazyMemory7They hated me because I spoke the truth -8 points-7 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

They can just be happy being single, buy a cat and a dildo rather that shackling themselves to a guy just for the sake of it.

The women that do this are single by circumstance, not single by choice, and they are miserable as shit.

[–]TermAggravating8043 16 points17 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Well this sub would argue that no women is single by choice

[–]MarjieJ983541 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, she should allow herself to get raped or fucked men she's not attracted to.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know you are being sarcastic, admins may not.

[–]RedditBotFarmRepost -5 points-4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

What this discussion is missing is a lot of those single women have really awful personalities or other obvious flaws. There's a reason they haven't been picked.

[–]Icky138 18 points19 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

as are 98% of the guys here who can’t figure out why they are alone when they are just “so nice.”

personality holds more weight than any dumb generalizations made about “what women want”. they want a dude who is cool and sounds literally NOTHING like the men in here.

[–]RedditBotFarmRepost -2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Yes, but everyone on reddit will tell a man his personality is awful, while these women skate by on "no man is good enough".

Older men are way less horny and start to get way more selective about things, and don't tolerate personality disorders, substance abuse, vapidity, and so on. If someone is still out there in their late 30s, they are either divorced or they have issues.

[–]MarjieJ98354 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless she's busy fucking Chad!!

[–]Hummingb1rb 37 points38 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

If you end up cheating on your wife/girlfriend does that not make you a low value person by default?

[–]Hummingb1rb 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Anyhoo. I’m just here enjoying my life with my very very high value man who is also my best friend. Will I get cheated on and left down the road? I don’t know, no one really knows those things and no one has any real control over whether they happen or not. For now, I just enjoy and continue to enjoy the companionship and love from the previous 13 years :)

[–]MightWaste 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hope it continues to go well.

[–]Hummingb1rb 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Thank you!

[–]zzzamorak_Monaco Man -1 points0 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

In my estimation it does, but society's perception of men you is based on things like their looks/wealth/career etc.

Cheating on someone makes you a bad person, but people who have are doing well in the above three categories will still be seen as HMVs by other women, thus enabling them easy to access to a large amount of women.

[–]Hummingb1rb 12 points13 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Well there isn’t a woman I know who would see a man as high value if he was a known cheater regardless of looks, career and wealth.

In fact, of the women I know, most have equally high value careers, are good looking, intelligent and what they look for in a partner are shared interests and emotional compatibility. They would regard those things as high value and not wealth, career etc. This is the problem with this whole argument, numbers and averages are reductive and put people into boxes. The more people you know the more you will realise just how variable attraction is from person to person and there are a zillion reasons why someone will want to be with someone else. Yes you can ascertain some of this information with data and averages, but really, people are as different and varied as there are grains of sand on the beach. So the ‘high value’ argument is, frankly, useless. People value different things differently.

[–]Icky138 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

the definition for HVM was made by other men. These men have no clue what women actually value or they wouldn’t be in here.

[–]pokemin49Dark Pills -4 points-3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ridiculous female logic. As if men don't have eyes to see. It's easily observable what a HVM is, because we see what attractive women go for, and they are not going for loyal men. Quite the opposite really.

[–]zzzamorak_Monaco Man -1 points0 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It's not totally useless; I don't know how old you are but I wouldn't be surprised if women after a certain age starting valuing those things that I mentioned less. Dating in your 20s as a man is a complete shit-show, however, due to the inordinate amount of women who have unrealistic standards, whilst being nothing special themselves. It's not impossible for a man to meet someone decent at this age, but due to the prevalence of social media, women who have an abundance of options (i.e. anyone who is a 6/10), will not give men at the same level as them a chance.

There are plenty of subsets of women (like FDS - though I acknowledge that they are just that, a subset) who aggressively filter out men based on things like career, even though they might not have their own careers going, or are average looking, etc.

Anecdotally, I have had 10,000% more women try to flirt/talk to me in the street when I am driving an expensive car than when I was working a regular job - the difference is staggering. This is even the case in somewhere like Monaco, which is literally filled to the brim with rich people and luxury cars.

[–]Hummingb1rb 2 points3 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

No, not totally useless, just reductive and not overly helpful to young people who really should just be getting out there and finding people who like the same things. It gives them an excuse and an echo chamber to overthink the reasons they aren’t getting into relationships, which isn’t productive and serves really to just indoctrinate them further into a bitter, negative idea.

I am 34, I met my partner at 20 and started a relationship with him at 21, I had a handful of LTR before him throughout my teens. Honestly I never really was part of the dating scene, so I certainly can’t comment on social media dating today other than being part of things like MySpace Back in the day and making friends through that! But like I said, I always focussed on finding friends via similar interests or by going to gigs, listening to music and other stuff like that. I had no more interest in career, looks and wealth at 20 than I do now.

[–]Gilmoregirlin 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly, you have negative value.

[–]Bad-DPS 38 points39 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

We should rename the sub to "revengefantasy" lmao.

Anyway, if this is the case, then who cares? Let us crash and burn. As we see it we have 3 options:

  1. Get with a man who meets our standarts, and maybe get cheated on.

  2. Get with a man who doesn't meet our standarts, and maybe get cheated on.

  3. Stay single, enjoy life, travel, hang out with friends, discover new hobbies, masturbate/get a fwb.

I don't think anyone with an ounce of self love would choose option number 2.

[–]ttehrman519 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, don’t settle. If you go out with someone just to dump them later then what’s the point?

[–]velvetalocasia 40 points41 points  (37 children) | Copy Link

So what you are describing is, that no matter what women do, a lot of them will get cheated on…..so nothing new.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -2 points-1 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

That is what a lot of women tell themselves isn't it. That's like thinking that driving safe doesn't decrease their chances of getting into an accident. I mean accidents still happen right, so why bother trying to drive safe.

[–]velvetalocasia 27 points28 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

So what are you saying?

Women who want a man with „higher smv“ will get cheated on because there are not enough of those men.

Women who find a partner „within their bracket“ will get cheated on, when the man „boots“ his „smv“.

And sugar babies are cheated on from the start.

So what should we do?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -5 points-4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women who find a partner „within their bracket“ will get cheated on, when the man „boots“ his „smv“.

No I said if they get with a man of higher SMV then they are they will get cheated on once he gets his money up and could do better.

[–]velvetalocasia 11 points12 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

That would be a man in their bracket then…..as he didn’t make that when they met and how much you make affects the man’s smv….is that not what the smv says?

[–]MarjieJ98354 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's why women should not show sympathy for broke men. A Broke man will use you and your money to obtain someone better looking, but not necessarily better than you. THIS IS WHY WOMEN NO LONGER VALUE ANY MEN OUTSIDE OF BIG DICK. And 9 times out of 10 the dick is not even good.

[–]stefan00790 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please don't listen to OPs like this they're whiners and blame woman for their non-existent dating life just ignore him idk how did heve even got that upvotes when his statement objectively its not correct .

[–]funlightmandarin 17 points18 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

So many women will either have to settle or share him.

Staying single is an option, which is heaps better than wasting time in a relationship you don't want.

If you look at "sugar daddies" most of them are married. He isn't satisfied with what he has at home so he makes an arrangement with a hotter woman to satisfy his needs. So those women that want a HVM but don't have the SMV to satisfy him might just have to share his resources with his sugar baby.

Sugar daddies don't make up a sizeable enough portion of the population of married men that's worth worrying about.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -3 points-2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Staying single is an option, which is heaps better than wasting time in a relationship you don't want.

If you think so. Remember that cats can't visit you in a nursing home and they're not allowed at your hospital bed.

Sugar daddies don't make up a sizeable enough portion of the population of married men that's worth worrying about.

With everything going on now I expect that to go up.

[–]attendquoi 14 points15 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You would date someone simply because you're afraid to die alone? I thought men were supposed to be brave lol

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -3 points-2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Haven't dated to avoid dying alone, yet. But I have dated just to have sex on tap before.

[–]attendquoi 17 points18 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

You are exactly the type of man who women would rather be alone than date lol

[–]funlightmandarin 12 points13 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Remember that cats can't visit you in a nursing home and they're not allowed at your hospital bed.

There are more pets than cats and besides, what makes you think being single means you'll be lonely? You can still have a family and friends without a partner?

You don't need a partner to not be lonely and hell, it's possible to feel lonely in a relationship anyways. Besides, men have lower life expectancy than women, so we already know we'll probably be widowed.

With everything going on now I expect that to go up.

Doubtful.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well if you're happy with that go for it.

Doubtful.

Nah I never seen an open acceptance of prostitution like this before. I think it'll just be normal for men of means to have sugar babies going forward. I mean a lot of young guys are missing out right now. They will want to have some fun too when they could afford it.

[–]funlightmandarin 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Nah I never seen an open acceptance of prostitution like this before.

Prostitution is legalized in several countries and no issue there. I'm seeing a 6% figure for American men who are sugar daddies, but that figure doesn't separate between single, married, separated, widowed.

So less than 6%? Not much to worry about.

They will want to have some fun too when they could afford it.

I think they rather want the validation of casual sex, there are after all still incels in countries with legalized prostitution.

[–]infinitofluxo -4 points-3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Imagine living a sexless life because "staying single is an option" and being pumped and dumped might be hurting your feelings too much to be worth it. There will not be another life to make up for it.

[–]funlightmandarin 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can still have sex while you're single, without being pumped and dumped. Wild, I know.

Choosing to not enter committed relationships doesn't mean you have to join a nunnery or have sex with bad lovers.

[–]infinitofluxo -5 points-4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah, ask a single woman in their 40s or 50s how much fun they are having from healthy sexual partners in FWB style. Easy to say in the 20s and 30s, most men that don't want relationships will turn their eyes to younger women specially because they can pay for it.

[–]funlightmandarin 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, ask a single woman in their 40s or 50s how much fun they are having from healthy sexual partners in FWB style.

Literally haven't heard them complain about the sex they're having. They're either lower libido due to menopause and happily not having sex or they're going full cougar and having fun with younger men. Seem plenty happy to me, dunno why you think they're miserable and that being in a relationship will fix it.

most men that don't want relationships will turn their eyes to younger women specially because they can pay for it.

If I wanted a relationship, why would I care about what men that don't even want a relationship do? 😂 Like, they wouldn't even be in my dating pool.

Anyways, most men seem to want a relationship, so these men are a minority. Don't see a problem in them consensually paying off some student loans, but then again, I don't see the appeal in paying for faked interest either.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 67 points68 points  (33 children) | Copy Link

Women have been cheated on throughout history. Let's not pretend women can be safe from that by going for ugly fat blokes.

[–]Hummingb1rb 21 points22 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Anecdotally, the less conventionally attractive exes of mine were actually the cheaters. Lower self esteem. Go figure.

[–]Gilmoregirlin 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right cheating is almost always about the cheater and has nothing to do with the person they are with.

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And the hottest girlfriend I had was the only one that cheated on me. Cuz Chad came knocking.

[–]PuppyDontCare 34 points35 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly this

If I'm going to be cheated on might as well be with a hot guy

[–]kdkdkd64664 10 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Ugly guys actually have way more audacity than hotter ones tbh. If you take advice from all these redpill incel types and settle for less than you deserve that guy will just look down on you for settling and his ego will go through the roof.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -2 points-1 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Well this is one way how they set themselves up to be cheated on.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 19 points20 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I've not seen any evidence it increases their odds.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -1 points0 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Well, I been with hot girls and ugly girls. My ex just had it all that I didn't need to go out trying to cheat. I was too busy running home to her.

[–]atomic_uma_22 30 points31 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

People who cheat do so because they lack moral, integrity and empathy. It's not about what the other person is like. You can't blame other person's shortcomings for your own behaviour. You are responsible for what you do, it's vile to try to justify it like this. If you need exterior factors to keep you in line and faithful, you are simply trash.

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right and I believe that the more you like her the less likely you are to cheat. That's just not based on some objective points based system.

[–]MarjieJ98354 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well she really doesn't have a choice if she's fat; post wall and has a high n count. The fat, high n count and men that dated sluts or is still a virgin don't want them either.

[–]Marino4KRealism -1 points0 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

can be safe from that by going for ugly fat blokes.

In practice, if a guy considered stereotypically unattractive gets a super attractive woman, he’s going to do everything in his power to keep her since odds are, he’s not going to have repeat success. It’s a similar train of thought to the “hot people get away with more in relationships” idea that floats around here.

[–]PuppyDontCare 13 points14 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

he’s going to do everything in his power to keep her

That'd be ideal however there are A LOT of guys who are insecure because of their looks and cheat just to avoid feeling inferior or because they don't think they deserve happiness.

The idea that ugly people don't cheat is such a fantasy

[–]zzzamorak_1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

Ugly people will cheat on other ugly people. The exception might be rich/famous ugly men, who might cheat on their hot partners (I've seen this happen a few times over the years, but don't remember any specifics, sorry).

What the other Redditor said, about a normal ugly man cherishing a much hotter woman, seems to be accurate.

[–]PuppyDontCare 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Ugly people will cheat on other ugly people.

This is delusional. Do you know why people cheat? Because they have low self esteem. Do you know who has low self esteem? ugly people lmao

[–]Valuable-Marzipan761 27 points28 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

That's just clever marketing from ugly blokes. More often they will just try to bring the woman down to their level or undermine her confidence to prevent thwm from leaving.

A lot of the time these men cheat out of insecurity, whereas more attractive men feel like they have less to prove.

[–]mistressusa 29 points30 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

No one is "demanding and feeling entitled" to anything. Women, like men, are just putting themselves out there and trying to get the best they can with what they got.

Your post drips with animosity towards women. It's a turn off, a very unattractive attitude.

[–]HazyMemory7They hated me because I spoke the truth -3 points-2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

Modern day women absolutely feel entitled to top tier men regardless of whether or not they can get one.

[–]mistressusa 11 points12 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I guess I don't understand the word "entitled" when used in this context. Like, who do these women think are obligated to give them what you say they feel "entitled" to have? I mean, I can see how kids feel "entitled" to have their own car -- in this context, the person they expect to satisfy what they feel they are "entitled" to is their parent. So who do these women you speak of think are the people who they expect to satisfy their "entitled" feeling?

[–]Gilmoregirlin 4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Okay so what's it to you? Would you rather they lower their standards and settle for you? Is that what you are saying?

[–]HazyMemory7They hated me because I spoke the truth -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

"Settle for me"

Thats cute lol. The only girls that would be "settling for me" are young 8/10s+ without children.

And those women generally have standards that match the man they can attract. It's avg women and below who are the most delusional.

[–]Gilmoregirlin 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

According to you, but how do you know that's how they feel? And even presuming you are correct, why do you care then? If you have no problem attracting high value women then carry on.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -2 points-1 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

No they're just trying to punch above their weight class and that never ends well.

Your post drips with animosity towards women. It's a turn off, a very unattractive attitude.

Whatever

[–]Icky138 8 points9 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

how do you know it doesn’t end well?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Because I see it not ending well among people I know. There are some guys that just want to wait until they get there money, there are other guys that do what I said.

[–]Icky138 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

that’s anecdotal evidence. i see entirely different things. doesn’t mean either are the rule or exception.

[–]greenifuckation 29 points30 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

What a load of crap.

I've dated short beta males who wanted to & did cheat & I've dated handsome successful loyal men.

If a man wants to cheat that's a character flaw, it's not about appearances at all.

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

This is true, HVM with morales will just dump you, not cheat.

[–]Why_am_I_LikeThis27 7 points8 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The way relationships are treated as commodities here is...out there. How does one converse with a woman when they're a statistic in your mind? You're dehumanizing from the beginning.

You guys have been poisoning the well on yourselves. Understand, honestly, your own value and don't settle if you don't want to. It's your choice, nobody said you can't stay open to love and pursue other things that coincidentally will round you out as a person. Sex seems like it defines the personality of everyone involved in this line of thinking. You can do it but why would you want to? Let go of the vagina, if you love it, let it go. You're all holding on too tight.

Is it because you're guys and you understand objects but not people? I don't see much room left for the human in these flesh markets you're all into.

I got some dating advice for people if they want it, doesn't have anything to do with a pill philosophy though. I will take polite questions.

[–]lifesuckswannadie 51 points52 points  (160 children) | Copy Link

  1. Most men are desperate and simp for whatever they can get. Women hold the power to such an extent that they can always easily find a lot of men willing to be with her.

  2. Women are generally happier alone than settling for less than their ideal. So yes, even if they end up alone they don't care because they'd rather be alone than just be with someone they aren't actually attracted to

[–]beleidigtewurst 20 points21 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

they can always easily find a lot of men willing to be with her.

Willing to fuck her.

"Be with her" is quite a different endeavor.

[–]lifesuckswannadie 13 points14 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

there are simps everywhere who would bend over backwards to be with anyone.

The amount of desperate men willingly to take anyone cannot be stressed enough

[–]ElectricBugs 6 points7 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Just not true. Even simps have their limits.

[–]Sweaty-Bee8577 6 points7 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

There are simps who've killed their entire families and wired hundreds of thousands of dollars to e-girls they've never met. Where exactly is this limit?

[–]lifesuckswannadie -2 points-1 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

Nah man men get desperate. I haven't been on a date in years and I'm pretty much willing to take anything

[–]john_boste 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The simps create a massive problem because they break the natural consequences of being an unpleasant woman.

[–]beleidigtewurst -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

there are simps everywhere who would bend over backwards to be with anyone.

There isn't an unlimited supply of those.

The amount of desperate men willingly to take anyone cannot be stressed enough

And conveniently, that "amount" can be claimed to be any figure.

In parallel, we see feminazi circles being concerned about "rise" of "hateful' movements like "MGTOW".

And somehow both go fine together.

A long line of men willing to become LTR partners of every woman out there is a laughable myth.

[–]lifesuckswannadie 5 points6 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

It's not a myth. There are articles being written about the rise of single lonely men. They are everywhere right now. A woman who wants a man has plenty of choice. But I guess all those guys don't count.

[–]zzzamorak_Monaco Man 14 points15 points  (58 children) | Copy Link

Women are generally happier alone than settling for less than their ideal.

Up to the age of 30, maybe, until their self-esteem gets nuked as they watch their friends having babies/getting married and end up settling for whoever. Now that I mention it, I legitimately have never met a single woman in her 30s who was "happily single" (i.e. not frantically searching for someone who she could settle with).

[–]lifesuckswannadie 27 points28 points  (47 children) | Copy Link

Well I'm 31 and I don't see all these desperate women in their 30s settling for anything and anyone. Nothing has changed.

Even if they're not happy single, they're happier than settling for a man they aren't attracted to

[–]beleidigtewurst 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I don't see all these desperate women

OK.

Even if they're not happy single

Ouch. Ah. Unhappy, but not desperate! Figures.

than settling for a man they aren't attracted to

More likely "that doesn't care about them enough", but yeah.

[–]lifesuckswannadie 4 points5 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not just not desperate, but actively picky. They're still extremely picky despite being so unhappy. Settling is just not an option for them

[–]zzzamorak_Monaco Man 4 points5 points  (42 children) | Copy Link

They might have standards, sure, but they're much lower than when they were younger.

I'm trying to think of a 30+ woman I know who is single, and not looking for a partner (through dating apps, going out to nightclubs). I can't seem to do it.

[–]attendquoi 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I know a few. One was married, but her husband became abusive. She simply doesn't trust any man enough to risk that again.

[–]lifesuckswannadie 10 points11 points  (39 children) | Copy Link

They're looking sure, most single people are, but the point is they still have high enough standards that they're rejecting the vast majority of men that are interested

[–]Onion1995 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Actually, womens standards go up with age, everyone knows that. It is why losers often go for much younger women who don’t know better.

[–]Icky138 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you are so wrong. you are so so so wrong. they aren’t your peers either.. so admit youte assuming

[–]Onion1995 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

You are projecting so bad. It has been proven that single women are the happiest. You guys always have these revenge fantasies but they just aren’t true.

[–]zzzamorak_Monaco Man 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Well, thank you for your opinion, but I will respectfully have to disagree.

Have a fantastic day

[–]Hefty-Wolverine3675 5 points6 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I have heard more studies suggest that single men later in life are happier than single women are at the end of their lifespan

[–]lifesuckswannadie 7 points8 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

How late is 'later in life'? If its after men's hunger for sex dies down , then yes that's possible.

But for the majority of life men are too horny to be satisfied at all alone.

[–]penny_admixturePurple Pill Woman 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Seems by design. Prob isnt but what a trap eh?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. It must be liberating not to have that financial and emotional burden on them.

[–]keepin2002 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Hmmm interesting

It maybe due to less testosterone being produced in the body when one is older?

[–]beleidigtewurst 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

less testosterone being produced

Doesn't make one happier and has health implication.

People who exercise regularly have higher levels.

[–]CanYouTieThemInABow -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Retirement age dating market has fewer men than women, so this is maybe not surprising. A single man of that age is probably not involuntarily single.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 4 points5 points  (60 children) | Copy Link

Most men are desperate and simp for whatever they can get.

A lot of those guys are not going to be in that state forever. Many of them are hitting the gym and building their careers. Then what?

Women hold the power to such an extent that they can always easily find a lot of men willing to be with her.

I disagree. Women get used. After they're used, they won't be able to get the quality of men they used to.

Women are generally happier alone than settling for less than their ideal.

Then many of them will have to come to terms with that and accept that that part of their lives is over.

[–]lifesuckswannadie1 points [recovered] (59 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're legitimately rich women don't care about '"career ", they have their own money. They also don't care about the gym. Women are more attracted to height and how your face looks. Thinking the gym changes things is a red pill cope because you can't do anything else.

In terms of women being used, at any point they could settle for someone that won't use them. But they'd rather be used by a more attractive man than settle

[–]Marino4K1 points [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link

Thinking the gym changes things is a red pill cope because you can't do anything else

To say the gym is the ultimate solution to all issues would be false, however, to say it changes nothing is dishonest and flat out untrue.

[–]lifesuckswannadie1 points [recovered] (12 children) | Copy Link

It changes nothing. Women don't care about this. Its been proven time and again. Face and height determine your attractiveness as a man.

The gym doesn't change shit

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 9 points10 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

As a fit short educated wealthy but not rich guy, I have to agree. Having a house paid off and a good career doesn't attract young women nearly as much as height and face. They want a bf that looks good on instagram to show off to friends.

[–]beleidigtewurst 6 points7 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I wonder, when walking into a bar, or swiping into some direction, how does a hypothetical young woman figure "oh, that dude looks like he had his house paid off".

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

No incl content.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 4 points5 points  (30 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're legitimately rich women don't care about '"career ",

Wrong. Yeah I want a Lamborghini, but I'll settle for a Honda Accord over taking the bus.

they have their own money.

That's never enough for them. Most women don't want to spend their lives working overtime. They don't even want to pay their own bills. They want to use a man's money.

[–]lifesuckswannadie 12 points13 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

The amount of money you need to get to the point that it gets you women is unrealistically high for most men.

I make the supposedly magical 6 figure salary but nobody cares. Its not like I can fund some extravagant lifestyle. So women don't care. You need to be legit rich not just have a good job. That's not attainable for most men

[–]howdoiw0rkthisthing 6 points7 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I mean women had the option to stay in the kitchen indefinitely. Why did they become educated and enter the workforce en masse?

Bonus points if you mention our capitalist overlords.

[–]NationalistGoy -3 points-2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Unless you're legitimately rich women don't care about '"career ", they have their own money.

Is this a joke?

[–]lifesuckswannadie 6 points7 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Its reality. Women don't need providers anymore. They don't care if Joe blow has a good job if they aren't attracted to him.

UNLESS you are legitimately rich and have a fancy lifestyle to sell to her, she doesn't care

[–]nofapPLEASESTOP 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

  1. You’re right

  2. Not once they get old. Let’s say 50s. I’ve seen it.

[–]lifesuckswannadie -2 points-1 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Sure at 50 I believe it but at that point it's whatever. I think anyone alone at 50 won't be happy

[–]nofapPLEASESTOP 3 points4 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I would be.

So your 2nd point is refuted

[–]lifesuckswannadie 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

No because you aren't 50 yet. You don't know how you'll actually feel

[–]reggieLedoux26 -2 points-1 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

2 is not true IMO. Women are terrified of ending up alone

[–]lifesuckswannadie 12 points13 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Theyd still rather do it than settle for someone they aren't attracted to

[–]reggieLedoux26 2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Women will settle with men they’re not attracted to then take half their money in a divorce

[–]lifesuckswannadie 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

They do that even with men they are attracted to

[–]Gilmoregirlin 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

How about us ladies that far outearn the men? There are a lot of us you know lol.

[–]Icky138 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

woman over 40 really aren’t that afraid of “being alone” speak for yourself.

[–]shockedpikachu123 38 points39 points  (29 children) | Copy Link

Low value, ugly and broke men cheat as well lol. In fact they do the most. Women would rather get cheated on by Chad than some loser she settled on

So what’s your solution? Women should pick the bottom of the barrel ?

[–]coolboy_24278Purple Pill Man -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

whats your proof that a low value male cheat more??

[–]infinitofluxo -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

In this case they cheat because they have a low value woman as well and the ugliest man in the world would do anything to get in bed with a decent looking woman. The good scenario is that both people are genuinely attracted to each other to avoid these instances where people cheat because they don't have what they want at home.

Low sexual value people with each other might lead to cheating because both are dissatisfied, low sexual value with high sexual value too because the higher one is dissatisfied. The good scenario is that people inbetween can get someone close to their value and genuinely feel attracted to each other, because looks are not everything besides being the most needed point for monogamy to work, if your partner is not crazy about you in bed, he has enough reason to want to cheat.

[–]shockedpikachu123 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

The person is always blamed to be the reason they’re cheated on for not being attractive enough and the blame is never placed on the cheater. I’ll give an example. Emrata- literally one of the most beautiful and sought after woman in the world getting cheated on by her THUMB looking ugly ex husband. Why is that? She’s successful, beautiful what else could she have done to keep her husband from doing so?

[–]SoIlikeMangos 13 points14 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Or Beyonce

[–]shockedpikachu123 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Exactly. How she can stomach looking at Jay Z is beyond me

[–]infinitofluxo -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't agree with blaming no one, I'm talking about innate stuff, we have to acknowledge our roots and try to adapt to monogamy if we value a stable life and emotions.

[–]andrejusilva123 -3 points-2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

In fact they do the most.

Can you back that up with sources?

[–]shockedpikachu123 11 points12 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Emrata getting cheated on by her UGLY THUMB looking husband when she can easily bag any man she wanted. It’s not news. Ugly men cheat too and once they get a hot girl or someone they perceive to be better than them, they have the confidence to go after more. Hot men cheat too but not as much because they go after the women they know they deserve

[–]andrejusilva123 -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So your source is an example including a celebrity? If he can get a hot famous woman then he is high value. There is nothing that supports the claim that attractive men cheat less and ugly men cheat more.

[–]Woko127 13 points14 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

OK but it's their choice man idk what to tell you.

[–]InfamousBake1859 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Men who cheat have low RMV.

[–]catniagara 15 points16 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

If you’re trying to date women who are younger than you , you’re the problem here. Obviously a lot of young people haven’t matured beyond the point of cheating, not knowing who they want to marry, etc. this is no different regardless of gender. It isn’t uncommon or weird. What IS weird is a much older person claiming to “save them” from a completely normal stage of development.

[–]infinitofluxo 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Studies show that promiscuous people/cheaters will not learn to be better partners, they are still more prone to being disloyal. It is not a learning stage, if you were built for monogamy it takes only one opportunity of cheating to give you the lesson you need. You will feel shitty and you are leaving the relationship or confessing the stuff and try to start a new one where you might feel wholesome enough to never dare doing this crappy stuff again.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What IS weird is a much older person claiming to “save them” from a completely normal stage of development.

A hoe phase is not a normal stage of development.

[–]Honest_Report_8515 16 points17 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Sounds like a lot of victim blaming. People cheat for a lot of reasons. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[–]Gilmoregirlin 10 points11 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And it rarely has to do with the person they cheat on.

[–]calfshrug 9 points10 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

Low SMV men cheat, too. It’s not a looks thing

[–]infinitofluxo 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

As a low SMV men it makes more sense to cheat, because they will be with low tier women which is the same as living in poverty. They all get thirsty of women with sex appeal. Imagine a life without having the taste of healthy meals, or touching the naked body of a decent looking woman.

[–]calfshrug -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. Starvation creates trauma, trauma leads to insatiable urges and dysphoria, craving

[–]MickIsBlue -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not a lot of low value men cheat. That's false

[–]calfshrug 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They don’t tell! Why would they? Why would men who are downtrodden, addicts to porn who can’t get what their biological urges compel them not take advantage of easy chances to feel relief from their situation?

[–]HazyMemory7They hated me because I spoke the truth -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's far more difficult for them to cheat. The whole concept of low smv is that they can only get sex via a committed relationship with a girl, and an unattractive looking girl at that.

[–]calfshrug 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Let’s just say experience. Any laboring class or ugly male will shell some change every so often to hit up the stripclub, Vegas, a hooker. I don’t mean any human male that exists will cheat, but to identify those that won’t is probably an almost insurmountable feat.

Yeah yeah but I know it’s not easy for an average Jim in his 40s to hook up NSA. That’s an easy one to figure

[–]KaleidoscopeEyes12No Pill 25 points26 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The difference though is that women want a “high SMV” man, but they aren’t whining that they deserve one. They’re just waiting for one to come along that likes them and they like him and if it works out then it works out. Other than that, lots of women are content being single. It actually seems like you’re complaining that these women won’t settle for less than they want because you think lower SMV are entitled to a girlfriend and they don’t have a chance if women are always looking up.

Also, people in real life aren’t “always looking for an upgrade” in a relationship. Maybe a FWB, but rarely in a real LTR. And no, it’s not as simple as “he will sometimes thing other girls are hot so he will cheat”.

Idk where you got the idea that most sugar daddies are married, I don’t think that’s true. Maybe for those “sugar daddies” who offer $100 a week for boob pics. Those are real sugar daddies. The real ones are usually divorced/widower with no kids.

[–]Icky138 15 points16 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

they are hypothetically mad at women that reject them for men out of their hypothetical league who they hypothetically wouldn’t want to date anyways.

i’m not real sure what exactly they are mad at, but their contempt for women is so off putting i have literally NO CONFUSION about why they are in here.

[–]Correct-Warthog-9061 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whats the problem with sharing a man? Men are programming for polygamy anyway. Why not be with a high value man which u love and respect and have other women love him too the same way u do? Whats the issue?

[–]MoveFeeling8807 23 points24 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I would rather share Chad than be exclusive with a genetic loser. End of thread.

[–]jmoincali 9 points10 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I can't believe a woman admitted this!

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ 13 points14 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

probably not a woman

[–]signpostcandyBlue Pill Man 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sadly this is probably true.

[–]boomcheese44 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

several women have said this here throughout the years, and I agree.

[–]Eastuss༼ つ ▀̿_▀̿ ༽つ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women here are all larps they don't really exist, please get psychological help. :(

[–]fullmoonlightmyway 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Well of course having a good man you are attracted to all to yourself, be exclusive in LTR and possibly building a family is always preferable to sharing a 10/10 Chad.

However if I'm left with no choices other than having a generic loser (short, ugly, stupid, lazy, has lots of addictions, weak, boring etc) or having a 10/10 being shared, I'd rather choose second. Being with the first guy will make me horribly unhappy and I will be horrified to have his kids, having sex would be a torture. While with that chad you won't necessarily feel pain cus of him being with other women as well, because just bc ur attracted to him and want his beautiful kids does not mean u love him. Even so, jealousy is better than a family and kids with a loser you will always despise

[–]infinitofluxo 5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We all know that. Woman though, must learn that sharing Chad might be painful emotionally speaking.

Sharing Chad is a modern option of Instagram era, most people have no idea how it will feel like in the long run.

[–]Fiestygirl000 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s not as bad then being with a ugly low value short guy

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

OK. Many other women will have to study the Zen of MoveFeeling8807.

[–]Icky138 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you really assuming this troll account is a woman because you really need to huh.

[–]Zero-Wolfe -1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

But will Chad let you share him?

[–]SylvestorTalone -5 points-4 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

If more women could take this line openly, but more importantly, do so in silence (ie without the absurd wailing about 'abuse' and 'toxic men' and 'the bar is so low' yadda yadda) it would actually be far, far easier to accept as a man.

[–]GypsyRainCreate 0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

Sorry.....um...big difference between genetic loser and abuser

[–]SylvestorTalone -1 points0 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

What?

[–]GypsyRainCreate 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

The fact you don't get that speaks volumes

I'd date a genetic loser (actually, a lot of people would've my second husband and soul mate one) long before I'd date another abuser

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill 29 points30 points  (54 children) | Copy Link

I keep seeing women everywhere demanding and feeling entitled to men of a much higher SMV then themselves

I've never understood this criticism, even as a man.

What... should women be doing instead? Everyone wants to date attractive people. Should ugly people not be allowed to even want an attractive partner?

It kinda feels like, if a man thinks a woman is "too ugly" for an attractive partner, he'd already be a bad partner for her, considering how low he thinks of her. And if a man thinks a woman is "too ugly" for an attractive partner, and then thinks "I'd be a great partner for her!", isn't he... also calling himself ugly? How would dating a shitty man who hates himself and her be better?

[–]lectrohS_naisANo Pill 4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

What... should women be doing instead? Everyone wants to date attractive people.

I guess people should be looksmatching. Like if you're a woman and obese, you should be looking for an obese man. If you're a woman and you're a gym bunny, then you should be looking for a man who also goes the gym regularly. It doesn't make any sense for some obese neckbeard who eats cheetos in his moms basement to try and get laid with some hot blonde girl who hits the gym daily. It's the same for women.

I guess it's not as straightforward as that because some men who are physically fit may find a chubby unfit woman attractive. But I like to think generally, you deserve someone who puts as much effort into themselves as you do.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill 12 points13 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

What about people who like you for your humor and opinions and because they admire how you deport yourself? I’ve dated women both fatter than men and women thinner than me. The traits we had in common weren’t related to body shape at all, we liked each other’s company.

OP doesn't seem to leave any room for... y'know, the most important and rewarding aspects of LTR's, which is having someone who likes you and supports you and wants to help you succeed instead of someone who judges you based on your looks.

[–]greedyleopard42 9 points10 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

seems like all of these people have never been in a truly fulfilling relationship because they try base everything on this little “system” of smv when relationships and compatibility are so much more complex than that.

[–]lectrohS_naisANo Pill -2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What about people who like you for your humor and opinions and because they admire how you deport yourself?

Probably matters more if you have lots of friends IRL I guess. I don't really and I can only base my experiences from dating apps and I appearance is the only thing that matters on those.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sounds like you'd be better spending your time going out and making friends.

[–]StopTheIncelsOutside Yellow | Inside Red -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I generally agree with you Gravel, but LOOKS are a requirement for an LTR as well. Sexual attraction is a requisite. You cannot solely rely on a personality match (humor, opinions, etc).

I’ve dated women both fatter than men and women thinner than me. The traits we had in common weren’t related to body shape at all, we liked each other’s company.

I have too, and guess what? It ended because I told them the physical attraction wasn't met/enough.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill 8 points9 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I mean, you’re certainly allowed to break up with someone if you decide they aren’t hot enough. It’s not fair to either person to stay in a relationship where one person doesn’t see the other person as enough.

But as a man entering my 40’s, it’s just a fact that neither I nor my partner is ever going to be as hot as they used to be. What’s interested is… sex has only gotten better with my partner. We’ve both lost some hair and gained a few scars (I’m bi, so my current partner is also a dude.) But every year we know each other, we love each other more, because our relationship is based on liking each other as people. Our mutual love makes sex far more rewarding and passionate, because we LIKE feeling close and excited about each other.

Surely you don’t think old married couples just stop fucking once they get old and saggy!

Love can make you horny as hell for each other even if someone isn’t generically attractive. It’s definitely the way to go in an LTR.

[–]fullmoonlightmyway 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

So a 30 yo male gotta go for a 30 yo and so on?

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. -2 points-1 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

There are a lot more fit men than fit women, that's the issue. Go to the gym, look at who even uses the squat rack, 95% bros.

[–]thetruthishere_Chads Pay Me 10 points11 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

More women tend to work out at home doing yoga and the like.

Where I live I see women all the time walking, biking and jogging.

Overweight/obesity is pretty close in men and women in the US.

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That helps flexibility and stamina, need weight training for sexy muscle tone.

[–]SoIlikeMangos 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then US is fucked. Here girls are always way better looking than men.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 0 points1 point  (37 children) | Copy Link

Well if it's just for sex, then have fun. You just shouldn't be delusional and put your self in a bind. Like many older guys go overseas to bang young hot girls. But what would you say if that guy starts talking about marrying her and bringing her to the states?

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill 19 points20 points  (36 children) | Copy Link

I don't see the connection - what you're describing is exploitation and sex slavery. A man who goes overseas to fuck impoverished underaged girls isn't a danger to the girl because he's "too attractive" for her, he's a danger because of the intense power imbalance.

Young men in developing countries are in an equal amount of danger from situations like this, not just sex slavery but also normal slavery. Thousands of men and women even in this modern time literally go missing and lose their lives trying to find a way out of a bad situation.

Impoverished people are vulnerable to offers of a better life because they are desperate to escape the one they're currently in. Not because they "feel too entitled to someone of a higher SMV."

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 0 points1 point  (13 children) | Copy Link

lol sex slavery, someone is mad that men can go elsewhere. No one talked about buying a girl against her will.

At one point 50% of Japanese men married filipinas over japanese women. LOL Talk about a statement from the men.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill 10 points11 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

lol sex slavery, someone is mad that men can go elsewhere.

?? I am a man. And I don't think of all sex work as slavery. But the premise of "going to an impoverished company to have sex with hookers" suggests a massive power disparity, and most sex workers in impoverished countries are not engaging in sex work because it's fun. They do it because they are desperate for any way they can improve their life.

Using money to get people to do things they don't want to do is a form of coercion. This is just a fact.

Bringing up Japan as an example isn't great, either, considering they have a well documented history of unaddressed sex-abuse in their culture, including specific exploitation of Filipino women who are trying to build a better life for themselves and end up exploited for it.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -2 points-1 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Well you said people should date the highest SMV they could get. So why would it be a bad idea for that guy to marry her? She is high SMV right?

No that's when the reality sets in that she doesn't really want him just that green card. That's when he has to understand that doesn't really have that girl and shouldn't try to commit to her.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill 14 points15 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

Well you said people should date the highest SMV they could get. So why would it be a bad idea for that guy to marry her? She is high SMV right?

No, I don't think I've ever heard anyone describe an impoverished teenage sex worker as "high SMV". She's not even on the "market" at all, neither the man nor the teenage girl are engaged in "dating" at all. The man is paying for access to underaged pussy, and the girl is probably being coerced into letting him have it by other adult men who will punish her if she doesn't.

No that's when the reality sets in that she doesn't really want him just that green card.

Or the money he agreed to give her before they had sex. But no, either way I agree a man would be incredibly stupid to think an underaged hooker he paid to have sex with would be able to give him a loving, mutual, committed relationship. Having to paying a woman to have sex with you kinda suggests she doesn't actually want to have sex with you, much less date or marry you.

We haven't even touched on the fact that a man who goes to impoverished countries to have sex with underaged girls is also an obvious predator (and, depending on how young the girl is, also a pedo who should be in jail.)

[–]atomic_uma_22 7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You give off strong inc*l vibes

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. -3 points-2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Women should be doing what TRP is doing.
You want to date a 6 ft tall man? Its much more respectable coming from a hot fit girl with abs over a skinny fat girl. The gym shows you put in hard work to attain your goals, it's respectable.

Just demanding someone better than you without that hard work? Looks like a child.

[–]Gravel_RoadsJust a Pill 11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Women should be doing what TRP is doing.

Spin plates, enjoy the decline and NGAF?

Its much more respectable coming from a hot fit girl with abs over a skinny fat girl.

You mean it'd be more flattering for the man if an athletic girl found them attractive. There's nothing disrespectful about a girl finding a man attractive and wanting to date him. She might not succeed, but I don't see how she's hurting him just by finding him attractive.

Just demanding someone better than you without that hard work?

Who are you to decide who's "better" than her? Neither men nor women should be judged on their looks alone. Different people admire different things in others, and different people are proud of different things about themselves.

The fact is, looks are the worst metric to gauge an LTR by. Because LTR's last a long time, while looks fade. Relationships based on mutual respect and admiration, where both parties like one another, tend to do much better than parties that constantly worry if they're "too good" for their partner.

[–]figuringMylife34C, Big Booty, Normal Waist 🥳 9 points10 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

COOL.. i just need the ability to reproduce with Chad then i don’t really need anyone after that

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

OK then you will be very happy.

[–]Ambassadior 16 points17 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Women would rather have temporary great experiences and flings than to get with a low value guy that disappoints them either way.

Everyone loves women, they don't need any particular guy for fulfillment. So taking that risk on high smv guys has zero sunken cost. They still get a good time even if they don't contain men, because the next one is right around the corner.

Men who make these threats don't realize that women don't care at the end of the day. They cry for a day and move on.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Well if they rather have a good short ride then a decent stable life long ride, then go for it.

[–]Ambassadior 7 points8 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Many short exciting experiences.

They literally have an anthem about this, "Thank you, Next" by Ariana Grande

[–]nofapPLEASESTOP 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

This makes a lot of sense now.

I had a women friend who dated a guy for the summer during college. The relationship obviously had a time limit.

I didn’t understand why she’d put herself into a situation where you have a month to date.

Short experiences only!

[–]JDWhiz96Suburbs -3 points-2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

More evidence to disassociate with them.

[–]Inkrit123 -2 points-1 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I dont know tbh. We have a few single spinsters in our extended family and they are all on anti depressants and anti anxiety meds, some even suicidal....Its not all sunshine and rainbows.

[–]Esterwinde 3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

What the hell is an SMV and HVM

[–]uccelloverde 4 points5 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual Market Value and High Value Man

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Terms that stupid people use

[–]GypsyRainCreate 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Siri has no fucking clue.

[–]greyok_ 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Nah, most of the "sugar daddies" I've met just do it because women are that demanding. I mean you'll see attractive and athletic, even rich, guys with pretty ugly women unless they're basically gold digging their wallets. I've talked to a lot of single guys who do it just because most women don't want to date otherwise. Once they start having kids then it's basically putting the man out to work and she still fucks around.

There's a reason why there's SO MANY strip clubs and restaurants where women basically just hang out at all day, doing very little besides texting and maybe light drinking. They have a bunch of guys they manipulate to do their evil biddings and don't even have regular jobs! They're just evil bitches.

[–]soxx_forever -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Do these men have a gun held to their head? No, you’re just idiots controlled by your libido. Take responsibility.

[–]greyok_ 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Take responsibility for their actions, you mean? It's designed that way to exploit men. Women can do anything, including becoming the president, and don't!

[–]fiveoneandahalf 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

i don’t think it’s necessarily as true in real life as people make it seem on social media. but i do agree, a lot of people are entitled. you can’t just get a “high value” partner for no reason. you also have to be “high value”. but that statement itself is kind of fucked up. “high value”? i think a better term is “emotionally and financially ready for a relationship”. if we continuously shame people and make them feel bad, they’re not ever going to get better

[–]mackenzie013_02 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Sooooo ..a HVM will cheat and a beta male will cheat…. 🤣🤣

Why would I chose anyone other than the peak of what I can get? ..they’re all going to cheat anyways.

[–]IMendicantBias1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

They sleep with guys out of their league in hookup culture expecting ( see) a relationship then get mad the man isn’t interested. If she dates guys on her level afterwards she’ll still be stuck on him then cheat/ sabotage and blame everything from there on unto all the regular guys she never acknowledge and will ignore afterwards.

TBH that demonstrates how women aren’t meant to sleep around. Eventually a guy is going to unlock her box and she’ll be stuck on him forever. At the same time just like we shouldn’t expect anything despite spending time and money they shouldn’t expect a relationship with one of the randoms slept with.

[–]MAGA-Latino1 points [recovered] (3 children) | Copy Link

They sleep with guys out of their league in hookup culture expecting ( see) a relationship then get mad the man isn’t interested.

Yeah one time I signed up to POF as an experiment. Sad to see many of the same girls still on there years later.

If she dates guys on her level afterwards she’ll still be stuck on him then cheat/ sabotage

Yeah we call that a Alpha widow.

TBH that demonstrates how women aren’t meant to sleep around.

Just for some reason they don't want to accept that.

[–]IMendicantBias1 points [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

whats worse is we are literally wired to protect them. Yes there are some culturally stunted places but by large we genuinely do not see women as “ objects” and know their nature ( obviously) better than them.

The hookup culture they’ve created is exactly what is emotionally killing them, it’s really sad to see and experience .

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Please check the post flair and repost your comment under the automod if necessary.

[–]TRotSH1 points [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link

You all sound mentally ill.

[–]Moon-on-my-mind 3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Because they truly are.

[–]beleidigtewurst1 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

You sound butthurt.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]indigo_pirate 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Your right. If you spend your life obsessing over this stuff you will lose it

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Then don't come here.

[–]Mrs_DrgreeWomen Are Right About Islam[M] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Be civil.

[–]delight-n-angers 5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

good thing the "sexual marketplace" is just a made up place in the minds of incels.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] -1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If that's what you want to tell yourself.

[–]delight-n-angers 4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm deeply unattractive and have been with the same man for 20 years and he's "out of my league". You're just mad your personality is offputting.

And btw, if you're actually latino - the MAGAts are going to eventually turn on you too, bro. Enjoy that.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Eh don’t wanna be that guy but don’t call yourself unattractive. You’re better than that.

[–]delight-n-angers 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

LOL I truly appreciate your sentiment here but I am objectively not attractive. At least not "conventionally attractive" for a variety of reasons. I won't list the specifics and I don't post pics because the bullying gets pretty rough some days. It's a simple statement of fact, not something I put my value as a person in (The sexual marketplace is imaginary, as I stated). Let's not pretend that there aren't unattractive women or AFAB people in existence. Not every person born a woman has a line of "simps". Some of us in all seriousness have never in 36 years on god's green earth been asked out on a date.

I lucked out and found a man who is into unconventional women and had a fetish for a certain trait I possess. We fell in love and lived weirdly ever after. Being unattractive makes life a bit more difficult but it's not the death sentence incels make it out to be.

[–]RahLyt 8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

This is not a new problem. As I said here on PPD before there are women who are complete losers (we don't address that as a society).

When I was younger and I was called nice by girls I almost felt insulted because I literally perceived that as them not being attracted to me (even though that was rarely the case). Then I realized some girls willingly accept being treated like shit.

After living with some friends and cousins. who are high on the looks and narcism ladder it opened my eyes to how low some girls will go for the men they "want". I've seen girls getting kicked off the house at 3 am and screaming for hours at the door and then casually posting some random story about how they are queens.

I've seen girls being cheated right in front of their eyes looking stupid and their only preoccupation is if their men will still come home.

I also remember this girl who came from another city to surprise her "bf" she waited at the door for 5 hours because he said he didn't like surprises. We were playing Xbox that whole time. She apologized and still fucked him that night.

This is not a new trend. It has always been like this. Some girls simply lose their agency when they are attracted to someone they deem superior. That's why I call them losers same way men in those situation would also be called losers.

For example I can recognize there's hoes traits that I definitely find attractive, but I was around 14/15 when I understood that I would never date one because I could potentially be in positions where I'd be a clown. A lot of people prefer to live in auto pilot.

Would you believe me some of these girls I've seen had boyfriends?

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Sadly I believe you. I seen much of that shit myself.

[–]RahLyt 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That's why there's a lot of angry women shouting men are trash. While some have legitimate reasons, a lot of these girls were literally clowns for years. Their boundaries worked just fine for guys they didn't have the feels for.

[–]MAGA-Latino[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol they angry because they couldn't keep Chad.

[–]sjamad_oc 4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

I've seen these things myself. Years and years ago I saw my then roommate bodyslam his gf to the floor so hard that the downstairs neighbors in our apartment complex called the cops...and then she defended him and refused to press charges when they showed up. He would scream at her and hurl the most vile insults and she would come back and f*** him for hours that same night, almost like she got off on it. She would snoop through his phone, find evidence of him texting other girls, and become hysterical with grief...until he soothingly calmed her down with sweet reassurances. When she left he called over those same other girls and had a threesome...

This same girl by the way would shake her head and furrow her brows at me if I even deigned to open my mouth to her to say anything...which was why she was putting up with my sociopathic roommate in the 1st place. Apparently I was too low on the totem pole to even be spoken to by Her Highness, yet in retrospect I deem her to basically be a complete utter female loser herself.

[–]RahLyt 5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Her Highness, yet in retrospect I deem her to basically be a complete utter female loser herself.

I'm still surprised I didn't see them as losers most times. At the time I saw my friends as literally chads because girls would endure everything for them, then at one point I met this girl who looks wise was 9/10 friend's girlfriend, she moved in with us, she was literally being cheated on every week (she knew). I remember talking to her and told her to go to her mum's house for a bit (I didn't want to be accused of ruining anyone's relationship) and she came back 2 days later. She used to look for validation from us all the time, "I know you guys like me a lot", "I know you missed me while I was gone". So there was this 9/10 with 0 self esteem. It was just sad. That's when I realized she was just a loser.

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 5 points6 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Nah, they will end up not married.

In regards to Sugar Daddies, I realized tthis past couple of years (i'm 30 now so reevaluating my 20s life so far), it's much better to not be settled for by a girl who reached 30 and only now realizes she wants a man like me 1) educated 2) has a career 3) no criminal record 4) have my life in order 5) etc.

You know what I choose? I'd much rather be a sugar daddy to a college girl that is broke.

https://www.reddit.com/r/sugarlifestyleforum/comments/wrhmsz/height_difference/

On sugarlifestyle forums on reddit they had a thread recently, many of the Sugar Babies said they'll never vanilla date a guy less than 6 foot (im 5 7) but they are down for a short sugar daddy. Good looking girls demand something I can't change, do I settle down with someone less good looking or who wasted their 20s away with someone else? Pass, rather be a sugar daddy, it's easy to afford as a single educated kid free guy with some investments.

The idea of thinking a girl can waste her 20s doing things not condusive to building a family, then change her life around at 30 to be a good mom doesn't appeal to me. So if men act like me, the women won't end up married (not be cheated on since no husband).

[–]zzzamorak_Monaco Man 4 points5 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

You know what I choose? I'd much rather be a sugar daddy to a college girl that is broke.

That's not a bad idea, as long as you acknowledge that your relationship is transactional and don't resent the woman for it.

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I do, i accept that. Im not naive and think she will fall in love with me. Maybe she will, but I hope not. By accepting sugar dating I have accepted being a bachelor and no kids for life.

I did a lot of self reflection during covid, and living for the now is one of them.

[–]zzzamorak_Monaco Man -1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

All the power to you, m'sir. It seems like you have your head screwed on properly so I gotta respect that.

Just beware of the blowback you'll get from the jealous 30-year-old women and above who start calling you a predator because you're not dating their sorry asses instead 😭😭

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. -1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Yup. And I'll probably retire to thailand or phillipines.

Great thing about TRP, I BECAME immune to shaming.

Reddit is pretty bad at shaming age gap relationships, but tbh id rather date a 18 yr old I can guide through life, than most 30 yr olds that mispent their 20s. Of course, ideal is a girl like me, someone that invested in themselves. But they rejected me, oh well lol.

[–]Onion1995 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

They have never wanted him, and still don’t which is why he is going to pay for affection. No 30 year old woman is going to care, they are too busy living their best lives.

[–]BCEXP 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

You know what I choose? I'd much rather be a sugar daddy to a college girl that is broke.

LOL yup. Or the chic working the drive thru window LOL. I have female friends that tell me all the time, "you are capable of pulling in a well educated, has her own place, same age type of woman. Why are you dating these broke young women that don't have anything in life?" Well, cause she's hot as hell and she's into me LOL. That's the only way I can put it.

[–]NotARussianBot1984RPM, personal experience, not complaining. I love my life. 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I tried dating the educated girls in university and when i graduated. They wanted a even better man. I was a peer and they said no thanks. So doesnt leave many options outside of sugar dating. And girls dont need money once they graduate so naturally its younger SBs.