TRP behavior and modern women behavior are mirror images of each other

wtknight · 2022-07-11T14:59:52+00:00

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sarkington · 2022-07-11T14:45:29+00:00

FDS and TRP are the counterparts — both are deliberate strategies to get what you want in a world you perceive as hostile to your goals.

And they’re not wrong, because both goals are selfish, like all dating, but to the extreme. This is because the strategies cater to the bitter, unsuccessful, damaged and struggling

neetykeeno · 2022-07-11T15:03:24+00:00

Wasn't the last SATC episode made like...18 years ago or something...with only occasional movies since then to milk a little more from old fans of the franchise? And it wasn't exactly a very young woman's show when it was being made...aimed more or less at the mid twenties to late twenties crowd. And even then, as part of the age group in question I can assure you that it had somewhat of a niche viewer base, an entire generation was not tuning in to watch...only those who wanted that stuff watched it. Far more people watched Friends.

This is how hype for SATC has always worked...telling everyone it is more important, more transgressive, more titillating, more socially relevant than it actually is. There has been a reboot, there has been hype. Hype is not social reality.

You should rethink your opinion at least to the extent of not using such a stupid stupid example.

AquaChip · 2022-07-11T14:33:29+00:00

Isn’t the show Entourage basically Sex and the City for men. Wasn’t it a accepted and celebrated show?

Anyway, if you actually watched sex and the city you would know there is only one character (Samantha) out of the four women that acts like a high libido man. The other three women are a lot more relationship oriented and have long term and off and on relationships for the majority of the show. With the character Charlotte being the most sexually conservative of the four.

And Samantha doesn’t even use red pill manipulation and negging tactics. She’s just picky, has lots of sex and high maintenance and her sex and life experiences and pickiness are meant to provide the show comic relief.

Lift_and_Lurk · 2022-07-11T16:27:55+00:00

You mean a bunch of people talking shit to puff themselves up online, but not actually doing any of it in real life? Yeah, probably.

delight-n-angers · 2022-07-11T16:51:07+00:00

the creators of Sex and the City didn't create it to be a blueprint for real life though. It's very obviously fiction and fantasy. TRP presents itself as practical life advice. They're not the same.

RinoaRita · 2022-07-11T19:01:34+00:00

The one big difference is that sex and the city is a fictional show. You can say it sets a bad example and some people can’t separate fiction from dating advice. But sex and city hardly shows their characters as perfect. Carrie even goes to therapy because she chooses the wrong men.

On the other hand trp is almost the opposite where they are selling fiction fantasy as something that could be true if the person following it does it correctly.

Comparing the two is like comparing apples and oranges. Now if you compared trp and fds I would say you’re bang on.

AelfredRex · 2022-07-11T20:15:19+00:00

So a make-believe TV show is mirrored by a make-believe self-improvement cult? Yeah, I can buy that.

Ok-Map-7596 · 2022-07-11T15:05:08+00:00

Women fuck with fun guys, try to trap Chads and once they are used up they are willing to settle for some Beta Buck.

Would you rather the woman skip sleeping around with "Chad's" and just settle for the Beta buxx while she's young? I mean she still ain't going to be attracted to him of give him the sex he actually wants either way.

Men fuck with fun girls, they fuck women below their league which want to trap them, and then they are willing to settle with some homewife material.

Redpillers already encourage this and will throw a temper tantrum if a woman does something similar to this. Despite claiming sexual strategy is amoral.

heartheartdoki96 · 2022-07-11T14:59:38+00:00

Jesus no lol. God why are men on this sub so bitter

The red pill is sexist pseudoscience. Sex in the city is a TV show with 4 main characters with wildly different world views.

Sex in the city doesn't agree on anything. The characters don't agree. That's the point. Red pill is about a bunch of bitter men who just repeat what the others said so it's all a bunch of men being codependent losers. Sex in the city is literally about how people may never agree because we all have different ideas and standards

Red pill is shitty sexist bullshit. It literally uses cult techniques. Like one step on red pill and red pill forums and alfalfa of the posts are "the world doesn't believe us, but we know the truth, we are the truly oppressed and we are also the sleeping giants and one day they'll all see and pay because men like us are very powerful but also very oppressed. Your friends and family can't be trusted, fhey don't want what's best, red pill wants what's best. Don't trust women, they are stupid or liars, red pill us the only thing you can trust". Yeah sex in the city doesn't do that. "Fe.ale dating strategy", which is not even a real thing and is something red pillers made uo to make it seem like they're less of a cult, doesn't even do that

YouAskedIt · 2022-07-11T14:56:37+00:00

Dating in the 1920's.

When 34% of women admitted to having sex before marriage. When dating multiple people was a sign of popularity too.

TermAggravating8043 · 2022-07-11T17:16:58+00:00

“Sex in the city” is toxic as fuck! People know this but still watch it cause it’s entertaining. Trying to suggest TRP is only mirroring that just shows how messed up it is.

Ohmaygahh · 2022-07-12T16:23:34+00:00

Close. If unsuccessful men behaved more like the typical woman behaves during regular socializing and dating, the market would change for the better.

No arguing, just ghost. Any discomfort, just leave. No "debating" with women, life is too short to even attempt to change someone else's mind, the man should just leave.

A woman does anything that disrespects you or makes you feel like you're not #1 in her priority or interest, leave.

TRP doesn't make the connection, but it's basically modeling women's disinterested behavior right back to them.

That is a man's only "win-win" in those scenarios.

No-Priority7869 · 2022-07-11T14:41:25+00:00

TRP is a response to what Sex in the City did to women

That show created the entire urban liberal brunch boss bitch who don’t need no man by day / alcoholic whore by night Jekyll and Hyde persona that every woman with a job feels the need to inhabit as the main character of their syndrome in their post-college years now

nicethingyoucanthave · 2022-07-11T15:30:58+00:00

I see the point you're making, and I can agree that both of these represent a kind of sexual strategy.

Where I disagree is, feminism (and this is the theory that "modern women" are operating on) lacks any kind of coherent narrative that holds up under scrutiny. By contrast, TRP does hold up.

To put that another way, what TRP claims about men and women is true and what feminism claims is false. And that's a pretty important difference between them.

I realize feminists and blue-pillers will scoff at the two previous paragraphs, but where's your actual evidence? My evidence consists largely of this very subreddit. Anyone can come here and present a challenge against TRP. I have never seen any such challenge hold water (please link me to one if you disagree). Instead, the majority of challenges I see are just strawmen. I often ask blue-pillers to link me to examples of what they are claiming about TRP. I've never gotten an example.

The reason I believe feminism doesn't stand up to scrutiny is that it's constructed as a dialectic (in the sense used by Hegel) in which truth isn't the point - only revolution matters. Furthermore, feminism is based on extreme, radical behaviorism - to the degree that everything is labeled a "cultural construct" and even the possibility of innate differences, in the aggregate, between men and women, is rejected.

So for example, if you observe a difference in outcomes between men and women, the only possible explanation must be patriarchy and oppression. No other possibility is even considered. This is profoundly unscientific, and yet this is the current policy (and it makes perfect sense when you remember that the purpose, as I said above, isn't truth but revolution). I have many examples of people being fired for going against this policy.

As a result, if you start pulling at a thread in feminism, it all falls apart. And I'm happy to provide examples of that too.

...so. tl;dr - "modern women" are not, in fact, a mirror image of TRP. The ideology that informs the decisions of modern women doesn't actually reflect reality, while TRP apparently (given the inability of anyone to rebut it) does.

todo_pasa_ · 2022-07-11T15:09:29+00:00

Sex and the City came as a result of many many many years of feminist struggle. The first feminist who said "fuck it, I'm going to sleep around with as many men as I can" she was probably called a whore.

TRP appeared only a few years ago. You still have A LOT to do to be able to have your own Sex and the City.

Social movements don't happen overnight and you don't get to them without pissing people off, like in the first decades of feminism.

Also TRP or mensrights don't have a discourse yet. Most posts are either against feminism or against women. I still see them as a movement against feminist, instead of having their own ideas to promote.

New_Relative_8709 · 2022-07-12T06:33:59+00:00

My guy is out here trying to turn a niche show from 20 years ago into a sociological fenomena

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SkeletonMagi · 2022-07-11T17:28:03+00:00

I actually don’t mind when Sex in the City or Twilight or Fifty Shades of Gray are female emotion porn. I get to watch the male fantasy of my choice of female performing my choice of sex act often for free with ads.

We as men get to see what women actually fantasize over.

ruboyuri · 2022-07-11T18:25:00+00:00

Do you know how dates and the direction of time work?

Slight_Fig5187 · 2022-07-11T21:18:44+00:00

As a woman, I never felt represented by Sex & the city, nor did I know any woman who was like them. But anyhow, my dim memory of the show is that only one of the characters (Samantha I think) was really promiscuous and shallow, and she was portrayed in a rather negative and ridiculous way. Of the others, Carrie fell in love with "Mr Big" and was forever struggling about what to do with that relationship; Charlotte was a shy inexperienced girl and I think a virgin for many episodes, and Miranda got together with a not very attractive and rather short man, who took care of their child because she was professionally more successful.

So, nothing terribly scandalous in most of it, which in any case takes place in the 90s, which were very different times.

AidsVictim · 2022-07-12T03:58:27+00:00

I wouldn't say they're mirror images exactly. TRP is a strategy for dealing with a low trust sexual environment - don't invest (or at least it's usually advised against) in single partners, maximize your individual welfare, use pattern recognition to predict womens behavior to aid in maximizing your desired outcome, generally assume negative or selfish motivations in your partner, etc.

The general womens sexual market is too varied to be as cohesive as a specific ideology like redpill (which isn't always that coherent itself). Generally women have so many options and power that selfish and consumerist behaviour is basically only limited by desire, which not all women are interested in but enough of them engage in it (covertly or overtly) that it makes the dating market very unpredictable. There aren't any concrete social or moral structures that bound behaviour so you're more or less on your own dealing with lots of potentially selfish behaviour - hence reactionary low trust dating strategies like red pill, or to an extent like FSD although is a bit different than redpill as well.

Academic_Snow_7680 · 2022-07-12T12:40:21+00:00

Sex and the City? Dude, those women are in their 50's.

Title	TRP behavior and modern women behavior are mirror images of each other
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