TRP is about sexual strategy, not self-improvement

meehan666 · 2014-12-30T19:26:04+00:00

I don't see how this is even a debatable point. The first thing after the welcome message on the side bar:

"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."

I don't see the word "improvement" anywhere on the sidebar.

roe_ · 2014-12-30T20:02:41+00:00

Why would you care about a) why people peruse TRP or what they get out of it? b) what your interlocutors say about it?

Frankly, it smacks of ego-investment when you care that people believe the wrong things about TRP!

hyperrreal · 2014-12-30T17:53:29+00:00

This is a non-neutral title in that it makes an affirmative claim. Can you either re-tag as a CMV or re-post with a neutral title? Thanks!

stats135 · 2014-12-30T18:20:35+00:00

I don't really see what the problem is. Self-improvement is a means to an end, not an end in and of itself. College is self-improvement, but people only go because it allows them to make more money in the future. Learning to cook is self-improvement, but the only reason I learned to do it is so that I can eat good food when I'm at home. Looking good and working out (and acquiring other RP traits) is self-improvement, but the only thing that motivates to do those things is the prospect of having sex with beautiful women. If I won the lottery while in college, have amazing food miraculously appear in my fridge every day, and have an endless stream of gorgeous women sucking my cock, there would be no point for me to go to college, or learning to cook, or be RP.

VarsitySlutTeamCpt · 2014-12-30T23:31:37+00:00

Self-improvement is a subcategory inside of sexual strategy.

sh1v · 2014-12-31T07:33:15+00:00

Not sure where I stand on this one. I don't see a man having a self improvement focus, going into monk mode, or even going full MGTOW, as necessarily bad. Certainly all are better options than the compliant, never questioning, female pedestalizing beta bux role society tries to force men into.

At the same time, sexual strategy is the main component of TRP. The day TRP loses its relevance to getting pussy is the day it has lost all value whatsoever. Getting pussy is the ultimate crucible. It is the test of a mans efficacy. If he lacks the ability to get quality pussy-- if he could not fuck women on his terms even if he wanted to -- then on some level he has failed. Failed to achieve his biological purpose, failed to compete favorably against other men.

drok007 · 2014-12-30T18:07:58+00:00

Financial success, body building, working out, improving appearance, improving your personality, adopting a sense of humor, and learning to interface people with confidence ARE ALL FOR EXTERNAL VALIDATION. That is why we strive to better ourselves, not because there's some noble goal... as though on our death beds we'll get the score chart and say "good thing I did it all for me!"

That is a very extro worldview, even the intro RPs seem to have some issue with this as seen in the differing opinions in the comments. Maybe a better discussion would be, "What is sexual strategy?"

There is a drive that most men have, to varying degrees, that addicts us to sex, to the pursuit of sex and beautiful women. And for a lot of us, we recognize this and do what it takes to accomplish the goals of attaining these things. Even our drive for financial success stems from our desires for sex and our need to secure it.

Many low T men will probably take issue with this as well.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2014-12-30T19:34:32+00:00

I would agree, but the sexual strategy outlined in TRP dictates that you need to be really awesome in as many ways as possible. You need to be attractive, financially stable, and socially skilled to make it in this game.

Thus, self improvement is an enormous part (>80%) of the vehicle that actualized sexual strategy.

Saying TRP is about sexual strategy is like saying Nascar is about having a technologically advanced car and a good professional driver. Not entirely true, as Nascar is a race and is about who can drive in a circle the fastest. Yet the bulk of that race is made up of technologically fast cars driven by good professional drivers.

The quoted post wasn't addressing self improvement, it was addressing people who post on TRP without any interest in sexual strategy. Its aimed at people who say, "Forget about sex and women, just focus on improving yourself." as if improving yourself weren't in of itself a means to improving access to attractive, qualty women.

Aerobus · 2014-12-30T22:00:39+00:00

I think it's about both. Self-improvement is a part of sexual strategy, and learning sexual strategy can be viewed as a form of self-improvement. They are tied closely to one another.

nomdplume · 2014-12-30T18:23:09+00:00

Word

InformalCriticism · 2014-12-30T18:39:46+00:00

I think the problem you might have with people like me using the term "self-improvement" is that people like me use the word quite broadly.

I see sexual strategy, SMV boosting, and physical fitness all under the same flag of self-improvement. The post you linked reads more like a rail against people trying to be motivational speakers, pandoring to emotionally unstable men who lack self confidence. I'd say that's a good post, but it's not exactly related to what you're saying it is.

and who think we should all "self-improve" in masturbatory fashion alone in our monk mode solitude instead of getting out in the real world and having a fuck ton of fun sex and good times with hot girls.

I don't think anyone here quite put it like that. Not that I've seen anyway.

The emphasis on external validation is good, I think that's accurate. I don't know if I ever made that distinction before.

Edit: to include an upvoted comment that redirects the discussion more intelligently from the link you posted:

http://np.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/2qsyqa/so_youre_not_interested_in_women_and_only_want_to/cn98tbm

masterrod · 2014-12-30T22:13:42+00:00

The strategy is about improvement.

an_absolute_rose · 2014-12-31T07:42:05+00:00

Sexual strategy for men is self improvement if you believe in female hypergamy.

SirNemesis · 2014-12-30T20:52:31+00:00

EXTERNAL VALIDATION - A BASIC HUMAN DRIVE, BUT ONLY FOR MEN.

Validation of a woman - she's an attention-seeking whore using you as an emotional tampon.

taiboworks · 2014-12-30T17:57:53+00:00

i think the issue is trp is not entirely clear or consistent with what it is, or there is disagreement. if /r/theredpill is just about sexual strategy (defined as how to get sex) why does mgtow (mentioned in the sidebar frequently) have any place there? mgtow only makes sense if sexual strategy is being used in a more general way, i.e. how to deal with the desire for sex, which i think must be how some running trp and posting there define it.

in any case the top post in the thread you linked would suggest most reading that thread on trp don't agree it's just about getting sex. in fact it also suggests a rejection of the red pill amorality argument.

There is a drive that most men have, to varying degrees, that addicts us to sex, to the pursuit of sex and beautiful women.

what do you red pillers that had an issue with me asking if there was a link between red pill and sex/female addiction have to say about this?

l_____o_____l · 2014-12-31T12:10:22+00:00

TRP defines "improvement" as "getting more sex" and thus the two concepts are the same

winndixie · 2014-12-31T19:28:20+00:00

Por que no los dos?

DevilishRogue · 2014-12-31T19:53:39+00:00

Self-improvement is applied sexual strategy. It's not difficult.

alreadyredschool · 2015-01-02T17:03:02+00:00

That is simple: When the female sexual strategy is hypergamy then the logical reaction is self improvement. I would even go as far as saying that self improvement is a sexual strategy itself.

Title	TRP is about sexual strategy, not self-improvement
Author	SirNemesis
Upvotes	9
Comments	86
Date	December 30, 2014 5:31 PM UTC (9 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/PurplePillDebate
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/comments/2qtxeq/trp_is_about_sexual_strategy_not_selfimprovement/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/PurplePillDebate/trp-is-about-sexual-strategy-not-self-improvement.283950 https://theredarchive.com/post/283950