True UMC women have no problem getting married.

goatismycopilot · 2018-08-01T10:16:14+00:00

Except the study YOU are quoting says that as of 2015 close to 30% of college educated women out earn their spouses which means women are still getting married but not to men who out earn them. So it is not just a matter of UMC elites marrying other UMC elites. It means women who want to get married might be changing their strategies about marriage partners and selecting for other traits than income which contradicts the provider argument used by TRP and the suggestion that the married women in PPD are not the norm since there are several who say they out earn their husbands.

So, actually the married women of PPD are reflecting the trend that is actually going on and it reflects what I have noticed at my job for some time at the individual level since I have many colleagues who out earn their spouses or make at least the same. That 30% suggests marriage itself is still important for women and because of that they will employ different strategies to reach that goal.

I also work with zero doctors who married the waitress as is waved around here. They either marry another doctor or they marry a hot woman that they met in college who decided to hang in there through the med school/resident/fellowship challenge.

Electra_Cute · 2018-08-01T12:54:15+00:00

There have been several career women threads lately

"Career woman" is similar to "single mother" in the sense that it is an archetype. Being an actual woman with an education or career is not enough to make someone a "career woman". A "career woman" is writing articles about how lonely they are, going on "where have all the good men gone" on some news web sites article etc. This is almost essential to being the archetype of the "career woman".

Mr_Smoogs · 2018-08-01T13:13:19+00:00

You are conflating 'career women' and UMC women. UMC women have no difficulties finding compatible men, but career women do.

I think career women who are overly obsessed with obtaining status themselves are the ones writing these articles in the paper, not the girl whose parents are rich, went to a decent school and has a mid-level career. The latter may be considered UMC, and most likely reflect the women on this sub, but she has no difficulties in finding men. The former seems to be struggling for whatever reason.

storffish · 2018-08-01T11:13:39+00:00

the difference is college educated women with money have the resources and leisure time to write self-indulgent screeds about how lonely they are. it's tough to write a blog post while you're riding the bus on the way to your second job.

wtknight · 2018-08-01T12:55:20+00:00

Some of them have a problem if their standards are too high for who they can hope to attract, and/or they wait too long to attempt to settle down because they are overly focused on their career.

Don’t forget that UMC is not just the Ivy League schools. In flyover areas of the US the UMC is comprised mostly of public university graduates. These are the universities that are starting to become predominantly female. The people that “coasties” like to think are UMC are probably better described as Lower Upper Class when you take the entirety of the United States into account.

Some posters are saying that they see a lot of women “dating down” in income. I don’t see this so much, although I do see many women “dating equal” or roughly equal (he might be making slightly less than her). I don’t see many women (none, actually) dating men who are clearly of a lower income class compared to them, and this might be where things are headed if the education issues for lower class men are not eventually addressed, and I’m not sure how many women out there will be willing to date like this.

TwentyX4 · 2018-08-02T04:25:33+00:00

There's a book called "Dateonomics" trying to explain to women why the dating world is so hard for college educated women. It basically revolves around the fact that more women than men go to college, so all these women are fighting over the same small number of men. Of course, I think the premise is flawed for a variety of reasons.

But the fact that books exist to explain away why college educated women aren't having the romantic lives they hoped/expected tells you something about UMC women not getting the "good guy" they wanted.

Also, the article you posted doesn't show that UMC women have it great. It shows that things are worse for them now than it was 50 years ago, but undereducated women have it much worse than they did 50 years ago. In effect, all its saying is that UMC women haven't seen as bad of a decline in marriage as other women.

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Merger-Arbitrage · 2018-08-01T13:05:06+00:00

Source that men predominate elite / competitive schools?

Theseus_The_King · 2018-08-05T04:11:16+00:00

I think what is an important factor is that lower class women are more likely to have been teen and single moms, and most men would choose a childless woman over a single mom of the same age.

Aaren_Augustine · 2018-08-01T11:01:33+00:00

That article seems to be trying to sell degrees to women without degrees because these stats never seem to want to know how all this turns out, ie the qualitative nature of 'first tier' women and their marriages.

It uses phrases like 'raise their child in a stable marriage'.

What I've seen is daycare raises your children and the marriage is as stable as a sterile hospital devoid of any emotion. Little Tommy's got some pills for Jim's doctor dad and it's time to fly. Ain't nobody getting caught because both parents are at work. Oh, and Ronnie, well his ass is literally on his 3rd Mitsubishi 3000GT as he crashed the other two.

Lots of raising going on there. Names aren't the same, but that shit happened in my youth. For some UMC street cred, we lived down the street from the guy who held the patent for plastic bags; his boys drove brand new BMW M3 each. My mother has spine issues and had a fuck ton of oxy and methadone.

UMC...These people are a mess. A boring, desperate mess. Lol, I wish I could show you my wife's Bridal Shower photo where my mother wrote something on it but fell asleep half way through the message; too drugged up to be fully awake

UMC women have no problem divorcing either; no true UMC women

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