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We've all been exposed to Red Pill Truths, but preferred the comfort of Blue Pill Lies

November 9, 2017
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The Redpill is difficult to summarize, because it's just a collection of observations about nature. Much of it we intellectually know, but reject the implications of.

We all know that women prefer good-looking, successful men. That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do. That Men and Women are different - they desire and value different things.

These are the basis of the Red Pill. Things we all KNOW, but only recognize at a surface level, because we subjugate them to higher ideals of Love. Of lies.

The Blue Pill is what people tell you. The Red Pill is what people show you.

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Title We've all been exposed to Red Pill Truths, but preferred the comfort of Blue Pill Lies
Author Idunnowhy2
Upvotes 20
Comments 249
Date November 9, 2017 3:06 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 24 points25 points  (77 children) | Copy Link

Whether some belief is nice and comforting, or horrible and painful is irrelevant to whether or not something is true. But it also seems to be irrelevant to whether or not people believe it. There are a lot of extreme 'BP' beliefs that aren't comforting, e.g. men want to keep women oppressed, and there are several extreme RP beliefs that are nice, e.g. men are inherently honorable and loyal.

So instead of saying that one group believes only nice things, and one group accepts reality, I think it is more fitting to say that each groups accepts the beliefs that serve their own interests and agenda the best.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 2 points3 points  (68 children) | Copy Link

There are people in life who are happy and successful. But it's not the majority. The majority are unfulfilled, because they prefer their comfort zone - fitting in with those around them, not questioning, not willing to take criticism.

The Blue Pill vs Red Pill is not one group of people vs another. It's two ideologies, two ways of life, two perspectives of the world.

[–]Hellothere_110 points11 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

There are people in life who are happy and successful. But it's not the majority. The majority are unfulfilled, because they prefer their comfort zone - fitting in with those around them, not questioning, not willing to take criticism.

All that is true.

The sad truth is that when we are born into this world some of us are more fortunate (richer or more attractive) and some are lessfortunate (poorer and less attractive) and it's also pretty obvious that those who were born more fortunate will have easier lifes than the rest of us.

None of this is really up for debate you know? However TRP turns the whole thing into some weird men vs women gender war and this I reallly don't get.

Ugly and poor women have just as hard a time in life as ugly and poor men, yet TRP constantly acts like the whole unfairness is all about men getting screwed over by women for which there really isn't that much evidence.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Privilege is real. But we can all control ourselves - be better versions of ourselves, thus be better looking and richer than some others. That's why the first thing the Red Pill teaches is LIFT.

There is no gender war. There is only power - those who posses it and those who hate it.

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points  (50 children) | Copy Link

It's a useless distinction because everyone believes their perspective is true, and no one believes comforting things exclusively.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (48 children) | Copy Link

The people who find happiness and success are those that act in accordance with the truth's implications.

The Red Pill should not be necessary. But in a society raised by women, praised for effort and lied to at every turn - it is.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch10 points11 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

When you say "people", so you mean "men"? There are plenty of happy successful women who are not living by red pill "truths".

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] -1 points0 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

It's all relative, but no - I meant people. The happiest, most successful women live in line with their nature and Red Pill truths, whether they are aware of such a thing or not.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch8 points9 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

How are you defining success?

How are you determining that women who are treated as equals are unhappy?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] -1 points0 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Observation.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch6 points7 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

That's unconvincing. Do you have anything else?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I need not convince you. Cracking your eyelids open will suffice.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

What I’ve observed is that women that have equal relationships, tend to be the happiest. Your observations aren’t proof of anything. The Red Pill is not truth. It’s poppycock.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

The happiest, most successful women live in line with their nature and Red Pill truths

Mind expanding on this? Exactly how are those women "living in line" with their "nature" and RP?

Growing up I always looked up to my mum above anyone else and she is if anything more masculine than my dad, and alpha in the male sense. A tough person and a natural leader with a hint of DT.

This is pretty much the exact opposite of what RP thinks women should be, but she is extremely successful.

You may argue she is an outliner and I'd agree, but only on the basis that successful people in general are outliners and most people are lazy and complacent.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Every relationship needs a leader. I know plenty of "successful" relationships where the woman is the leader. What I believe, which lines up with my observations, is that women are happier when the man is the leader.

That doesn't mean she has to be a stay at home mom who makes no money.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's pretty uncontroversial yeah.

[–][deleted] 7 points8 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

The people who find happiness and success are those that act in accordance with the truth's implications.

In some cases, but I don't see why this would be true in general. Even RPillers here sometimes call TRP a 'useful lie'. For an example, believing women are children is an obvious lie, but it could make you feel more relaxed and therefore more successful with women.

The Red Pill should not be necessary. But in a society raised by women, praised for effort and lied to at every turn - it is.

It seems to me that the best case scenario is to have a large variety of advice available so people can pick out what's useful to them. Do you think that RP should be taught exclusively?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (21 children) | Copy Link

Bad advice is not based on whether it's true but whether it's useful. And yet people want to hear what they want to hear, which ensures bad advice will always be with us.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Bad advice is not based on whether it's true but whether it's useful.

So we agree that someone can believe a lot of lies and still be happy and successful, because even an untrue belief might be instrumental in making someone's life better.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

We all believe a lot of lies. Some impact our happiness and success, others don't. Certain lies, or a certain genre of lies, are proven hurtful.

The Red Pill does not serve everyone. For some, the truth is too much to take. They could not contextualize it, or frame it in a helpful way.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

I don't understand the point of this OP. What point are you trying to make?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

We agree that an untrue belief might be instrumental in making someone's life better.

On the whole MOST people would be better off with a Red Pill understanding of the truth, but like the guys that it leads to the Black Pill - not everyone.

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not solipsists

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.14 points15 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

Yes but you’re premise is that RP is “true” while BP is not. Simply defining one as the “truth” does not make it so,

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Of course. That's why I included examples.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.8 points9 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Ok well now you’re getting into “what is RP,” which is more varied than you think. No one is going to disagree that “successful attractive men” are attractive to women versus “nice guy doormats.” Or that men and women do have some differences. Is that what you think RP in a nutshell is?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

It is the BASIS of the Redpill. There are other, harder to digest truths. But it's really the implication of this where people get uncomfortable.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.7 points8 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

It’s a watered down version of “RP” to me. But I wouldn’t disagree that interpretation of RP is correct in general. The more specific you get into “RP theory” the more you lose me and others as to its “truthfulness.”

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Yes, it is water-downed. That's the point.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The point of what? Believing RP to be “true”? What if you don’t agree with less watered down RP concepts?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

The point is that we cannot deny the obvious truth, we subjugate it favor of higher ideals. Other RP truths are less obvious, and require a much better understanding of humanity to see.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

If I don’t angst then I’m not living?

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't think RP says men are inherently loyal and honorable

If they do that's wrong af

I've heard the theories on why men find honor and loyalty useful for social cohesion and that is plausible imo

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

I don't think RP says men are inherently loyal and honorable

RP doesn't say it. But lots of RP men come here and say it.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Who hasn't met a disloyal fuckboi?

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Who hasn't met a disloyal fuckboi?

Men who don't date men.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

We still chill with men and know who's who

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

We still chill with men and know who's who

Hey man, I'm just reporting what I've seen. But I don't think the uptight "nice guy" citizens that would need trp most would be hanging out with cads

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not every guy who gets something out of trp is a nice guy that looks like a melted candle

Who can really deny the gender wars are a great place to look for "the truth" without all the pc bullshit, it attracts all types

My circle is full of "players" I let my views be known and try and shit on that lifestyle when asked for advice, I do my part basically

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Whether some belief is nice and comforting, or horrible and painful is irrelevant to whether or not something is true.

Maybe. Depressive realism has some credence, and it seems to show that in some cases pessimists have more accurate conceptions of reality.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this12 points13 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

We know that people prefer good-looking people. That is by no means gender-specific.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 4 points5 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

The specifics are different though. Looks matter more to men, actually matter less to women.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this5 points6 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Okay. So how are we rolling around in BP lies then?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Like I said, we all know the truth but subjugate it.

We (mostly) aren't dumb enough to outright deny what is painfully obvious. We just ignore the implications.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this8 points9 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

The implications being that people are shallow?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

People are simpletons. But I don't think implying they are shallow. I'm saying that we prefer comfortable lies to uncomfortable truths.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this4 points5 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

But you've just said that everyone knows that people are shallow. So who is lying?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I did not say everyone knows people are shallow. So, you are lying?

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Like I said, we all know the truth but subjugate it.

That was in response to me saying that all people prefer good-looking people.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

And?

You said the implication is that people are shallow, which I specifically said I'm not implying.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

The specifics are different though. Looks matter more to men, actually matter less to women.

Nah. Both genders are equally shallow. The primary difference is that men think almost all women are at least passably attractive while most women think that most men are disgusting.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Genders may be "equally shallow" but the point is they are in different ways.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Sure. Women are shallow about things that you can't change and that only a very few men actually have.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

You can change how good of shape you are in, how much money you make, how well you dress. All can be changed.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

That's true, but you can't change things like your height, ethnicity, the shape of your jaw, or any of that, which are some of the primary determinants of whether women find you attractive.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

You can wear lifters, losing weight/adding muscle improves jaw line. More is in your control than is not.

You may not be able to make yourself Brad Pitt, but you can drastically improve the quality of women you are currently getting.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You can wear lifters

And what happens when she realizes you're faking it?

losing weight/adding muscle improves jaw line.

Not if you're not gifted with a good one beneath your fat, no.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

There's an simple solution then. Get rich.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

We know that women judge character too, but we are tight lipped on what it is they like.

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this6 points7 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think it's because women, like all people, have varying standards as to what is acceptable in a boyfriend.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

And what are those varying standards based upon?

[–]RockinSocksII25F poiple INTP - Not single, Eastuss needs to know this11 points12 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Their own personal values. For instance, someone who believes that education is important will want someone who is educated. Someone like me, who understands that a non-educated person can be just as smart doesn't care.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

We know that people prefer good-looking people

Except, again, that what's "good looking" varies between each individual man. Short\tall, fat\thin, pretty\nerdy, etc. Women's tastes dont vary that much.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic5 points6 points  (28 children) | Copy Link

Lots of Blue Pillers do fine in relationships and at getting sex, so Blue Pill can't be all lies.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 4 points5 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

It was the Red Pill aspects that I acted on, without knowing it, that accomplished what I got as a Bluepiller.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic3 points4 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Right, this is the Red Pill line I hear a lot. Blue Pillers who are successful are Red Pillers without knowing it. I'm not denying any Red Piller who claims that they had success by either being or unknowingly acting like a Red Piller, but I don't think Red Pillers can legitimately say that being "Blue Pill" never works. I think what is most important is confidence, and also knowing what attracts the type of woman that you are trying to attract, because not all women are attracted to the same things, although there are certain things that they are almost universally not attracted to.

[–]mgtownigga3 points4 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

being blue pill works a lot more if you're conventionally attractive and successful, and follow a lot of trp like tenets without even knowing you're doing so. I know a lot of guys that can afford to be idealistic because of their smv but they truly lack the self awareness to know why they have it easy. It's a comforting lie to pretend it's just some nebulous thing like their personality, but it's clearly not.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic2 points3 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I'm not conventionally attractive or particularly successful, but I like relationships. I made it clear to women that I like relationships. And, I found other women who want relationships and not ones who just wanted a bunch of casual sex with Chads. Red Pill men are obsessed with the hot Stacies who have casual sex with Chads and how to attract these women, so it's no surprise that conventional Blue Pill tactics don't work on these women, and I'll be the first guy who say they won't. But to say that Blue Pill is lies is going overboard to me when there are still so many people who do just fine under a traditional Blue Pill dating paradigm who are not conventionally attractive and are just average looking or even unattractive looking.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (14 children) | Copy Link

Blue Pill works in that some women want to settle down with a nice, boring guy. But they aren't really attracted to them. And after a few years of marriage, it shows.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic0 points1 point  (9 children) | Copy Link

So what does it mean when a woman is still attracted to you after many years of marriage and you're Blue Pill? My own marriage and the marriages of several guys I know are like this.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

How much sex is enough for you to consider them still attracted? How enthusiastic does she have to be about it? Twice a week, no starfish? That would be my criteria.

If you or your friends have that, it's most likely due to RP recommendations, whether you know and accept it or not.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I don't know. I'm about as far from Red Pill as a guy can get, but I'm not a doormat either. As I've said many times before, Red Pill is an overreaction from guys who probably just need to fix a few things about themselves in order to attract women, such as learning confidence and learning to market their personal strengths better, or developing some if they don't really have any.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

Why is it an overreaction?

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Most women are attracted to the men they marry.

Every wedding I have been to has been between two good looking people.

Women who stop being interested in sex after they marry do so because of the burden of children and the complacency of their husbands.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

You are right here with - "complacency of their husbands" but that is due to blue pill ideology. And it is more than just complacency.

The burden of children is only true for about a month before the baby is born and, at most, 6 months afterwards.

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

The complacency of husbands comes from the man's perspective that he already 'won'. The hard part of wooing the girl is over and now they can just coast. But that kills a lot of attraction. Most women struggle to consistently desire sex purely based on appearances.

For children, I'm not an expert, but it seems like the splitting of your attention never goes away. The child is now taking away from the undivided attention you give to your partner that makes you love each other. So the couple has to work even harder to make each other feel loved and wooed.

The easier thing is to just let the child dominate the agenda and stay in that routine where sex was never part of the equation.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It's much deeper than feeling he's "won". It's rooted in "love me for who I am" mentality and listening to what she says she wants instead of how she responds. Thus, the Blue Pill.

Kids add difficulty to marriage, no doubt about it. But attraction is only affected by the above.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Blue Pill works for cuckolds. Who says it never works?

[–]JustStatedTheObviousYou Probably Won't Believe It.1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Your porn bookmarks aren't evidence.

But if you can explain how I'm being cucked by my girlfriend's wife, I'll be happy to make some popcorn and listen.

Or you could just show me on this doll where the strawman touched you.

[–]rainisthelifeFacepalm 😑1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Or you could just show me on this doll where the strawman touched you.

Lol

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

If you 'do fine' at getting into a long term relationship with a girl, having sex once a month, and then you find out she really doesnt like having sex with you and has fantasies of being railed by her personal trainer or tennis coach or guy she sees at the coffee shop, is that really 'doing fine?'

I mean, she says she loves you, and she says theres no one else for her, and she says you make her feel comfortable. So....don't worry.

She also quickly hides her phone screen any time you're around.

What would the blue pill advice be? What would the red pill advice be? Which do you think would be true?

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic6 points7 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

If you 'do fine' at getting into a long term relationship with a girl, having sex once a month, and then you find out she really doesnt like having sex with you and has fantasies of being railed by her personal trainer or tennis coach or guy she sees at the coffee shop, is that really 'doing fine?'

That doesn't describe my marriage and the marriages or relationships of most of the guys I know. It's sad to think that this is what Red Pillers think what most normal Blue Pill relationships and marriages are like.

If a guy has a bad experience with a relationship, I don't think he has to blame himself so much that he thinks he needs to change his entire outlook on women and relationships. Just find a better woman. There are plenty of them out there.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are a lot of guys that say the same thing that you go in their first 3 years of marriage. Then, as time goes on, fewer and fewer say it.

Also, you say "just find a better woman". Is that not what RP says? If she starts treating you poorly, don't put up with it. Find someone else and leave?

Being married complicates this. Men who have gone through poor marriages and divorce say "well, dont get married and you'll be better off". How is their advice not valid?

If you have a bad experience with a marriage, why would you be in a rush to get married again? Would you not realize at that point that you will do better in the short term/long term relationship zone without legal commitment?

[–]mgtownigga1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

lol seriously. Peoiple are too confident in ther just-world fallacy type thinking 'oh it won't happen to me, I did things right, I selected for a GOOD girl, I know this with 100 percent confidence because it FEELS like the real thing, it looks like the real thing, it tastes like it etc'. Sometimes this shit doesnt come to a head for 2,5, even 8-10 years. These guys just dont get it, what they know for sure now coudl change so dramatically. MGTOW, MRW, TRP....they're all full of guys that got fucking owned, and it's not neccesarily their faults or something that was obviously coming.

[–]wtknightHardcore Romantic-1 points0 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Nobody is forcing men to get married. If a woman loves a guy enough she'll be willing to say in an LTR with him without getting married, although it will be probably be less stable for the children if they want them. At any rate, it gets tiring to read Red Pillers talk about how terrible Blue Pill beliefs are when there are lots of happy Blue Pill men out there. If Blue Pill didn't work for you, fine, then become Red Pill and find women who are receptive to Red Pill tactics. But don't go saying that Blue Pill is just lies when the traditional relationship and/or marriage paradigm works just fine for plenty of men out there.

[–]mgtownigga1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

you don't get it though. It clearly is working less and less for a lot of men. That's the issue. I don't think most trpers think the traditional way of things is bad, it's just becoming less and less of a viable reality for many, and lots of men are being hurt in the process. They've been sold a false bill of outdated goods

[–]honeypuppy5 points6 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

There are a number of elements of TRP that are comforting to its readers but largely untrue.

The idea that women hit the wall young while men don't really hit it at all is one of them.

Another is the idea that the male population is largely well-defined into a minority of "alphas" and a majority of "betas", but the "alphas" are getting the majority of sex. That's appealing because it allows struggling guys to think "I'm not below average, 80% of guys are struggling", but also "Here's an easy-to-follow system that will turn me into an alpha that all women want and all men want to be".

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

TRP largely ignores the flaws of men. We are no less flawed than women, just different.

[–]yourusernameishowoth0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Isn't the wall only for women because men are the majority who advance their careers? So we end up with both genders old and ugly, but one is rich.

I bet rich old women fuck young men too

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Rich is not the difference. Even a rich 40 year old woman has still hit the Wall.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer2 points3 points  (43 children) | Copy Link

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

I think thats a good point - that the truth is viewed differently based on your own experiences.

What causes so much of a stir is when people see the experiences that different people get based on their looks, wealth, status, attitude and say "WTH? This is a thing?"

"VIP" experiences in anything in life are often concealed from those that don't benefit, because to see some treated better than others upsets people. Entities that give out the VIP experience to some and not others are forced to explain why, or are asked about their criteria for selection. Although we all intrinsically know the criteria, to have it codified really causes it to sink in and ultimately is an unfavorable judgement. Thus, those experiences are concealed.

The red pill is a place where those concealed experiences are exposed. It doesnt mean they are unfair, or that women are wrong for giving them out. It just exposes people to things they didnt know were there before.

[–]darkmoon092 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

I think this is why so many people have a hard time digesting the concept of 'chad' males because they simply have no idea. They don't see the VIP treatment chad receives because they themselves are not chad or don't know any chads, but for people like me who hang around chads all the time...that shit is just impossible to ignore and it forever alters your perception on things. You can never go back to thinking the way you did before because it's been exposed.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

And yet, all they have to do is look at themselves and look at how they treat a hot girl vs a fat girl to recognize how and why people do these things to understand the reality of it.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

When was it a secret that the rich and beautiful played by different rules?

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

Whay do you mean? We've had plenty of people in this sub insist that otherwise.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"0 points1 point  (3 children) | Copy Link

Damn, that was some fairly deep denial or ignorance. That, or plain ol' resentment.

[–]darkmoon090 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

Im not joking. Women/feminists/BPers/anti-red folk around here have outright denied the existence of sexual strategy. Nowadays most of the users here are on board with the concepts of not only sexual strategy but of the SMP, hypergamy, the CC, etc.

[–]SkookumTreeWe are DONE with "cope"1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

  • The SMP: Exists

  • Hypergamy: Exists in different forms for men and women

  • The Cock Carousel: also known as "wild and immature youth"; exists for both sexes. The resentment that TRPers claim that promiscuous women face after their youthful wildness is bullshit and a revenge fantasy.

[–]oneprettycoolcat0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The Cock Carousel: also known as "wild and immature youth"; exists for both sexes. The resentment that TRPers claim that promiscuous women face after their youthful wildness is bullshit and a revenge fantasy.

No, not really. It exists for some guys, sure, but very few guys have access to the amount of sex and hedonism that almost all young women have access to.

[–]Princeso_Bubblegum☭ The real red pill ☭1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

naw yo, there is only one truth, fuck subjectivity

[–]RedRiotGirlInterested2 points3 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Ironically it seems like some weird postmodern view and this type of people usually say they hate postmodernism.

[–]Princeso_Bubblegum☭ The real red pill ☭1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I hate post-modernism

but like, what is really true you know, its all relative bro

kill me

[–]NalkaNalkayou call it virtue, I call it cowardice-2 points-1 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Truth is objective, morality is subjective.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'll do you one better

Morality is instrumentalist and objective

If you want a society that works the way the Arab world works you adopt Wahabbist morality

It's a functionalist tool

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

My comment is saying that different people believe different things are true. I also do not “hate” postmodernism.

[–]RedRiotGirlInterested0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It wasn't about you. It was about the OP. He seems to have a postmodern-like belief of what truth is.

[–]Electra_CuteChristian, Flat Earther, Anti-Vaxxer, Astrologer0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Right, but some people believe that their convictions are truth, even if it is not the case.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (25 children) | Copy Link

The value in "truth" is 1) Whether it enables happiness, and 2) Whether it's useful to your future.

The biggest problem with Atheism is not whether it is true or not, but that it does not make you happy and is not useful.

The Redpill is useful because it enables Happiness and Success.

[–]RedRiotGirlInterested7 points8 points  (24 children) | Copy Link

A lot of people say though that abandoning religion has made them happier.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (23 children) | Copy Link

Abandoning Religion is not Atheism.

[–]RedRiotGirlInterested3 points4 points  (22 children) | Copy Link

I mean, if you go to /r/atheism, a lot of people there say they are happier as atheists.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

Of course they do. And then you see them posting their angry rants on Facebook blaming Christians for everything. Do they seem happy? They are not happy.

[–]wracky272RPG's are fun7 points8 points  (17 children) | Copy Link

You don't hear from the happy atheists because they have better things to do-- just like you don't hear from the respectable Christians because they're not jamming religion down your throat-- they know that usually doesn't work.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (16 children) | Copy Link

An atheist can be happy, but their atheism did not enable it.

[–]eliechallita6 points7 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It did in my case though. Getting rid of that Catholic guilt was one of the best things I ever did.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

You can discard Religion, especially Catholicism, without atheism.

Catholic Dogma has less than 0 to do with what Jesus taught.

[–]wracky272RPG's are fun3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

You're being naive. A lot of religious people ascribe so much of their happiness to their faith, that they simply cannot fathom being happy without it. That's fine.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I'm anything but naive.

[–]RedRiotGirlInterested3 points4 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I think you're generalizing atheists. Yes there are some angry ones, but most mature atheists are not angry.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I'm not claiming they are angry, but that they lack meaning in their life & are unhappy.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

ive met very few mature atheists. If you're mature you don't even need that label

[–]Hatefulmalez2 points3 points  (25 children) | Copy Link

Yea, women are leeches and harpies, waiting for their man to show the first sign of weakness and suck his soul. Sure. Men are stioc, emotionless, angry rocks who are noble, faultless..Please.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (24 children) | Copy Link

Did I say any of that?

[–]Hatefulmalez1 point2 points  (23 children) | Copy Link

Not you, RP. They do say this.

[–]fetchyminx1 point2 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

They literally don't.

[–]Hatefulmalez2 points3 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

They do. Or was it TRP? I really cant tell the difference. Red is red.

[–]fetchyminx0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

Source?

[–]Hatefulmalez0 points1 point  (11 children) | Copy Link

Well, the first page of those sites.

[–]fetchyminx0 points1 point  (10 children) | Copy Link

Link, babe.

[–]Hatefulmalez1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

[–]fetchyminx0 points1 point  (8 children) | Copy Link

Funny how everytime I ask people like you to at least link me the source where trp men say degrading or awful stuff, I never get anything.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

You are taking some of their ideas and twisting them to make them sound ridiculous.

For instance, Men are less driven by emotions than women. True.

[–]Hatefulmalez1 point2 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

I am not, red pillers do hate women, not the ones who supposedly hurt them, but the entire gender. Women are the villains, men are pure.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Many of the men who find RP are desperate and hurt. It's not hard to see the newcomers lash out at women. But Redpillers do not hate women.

[–]Hatefulmalez2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

They dont love/respect them either. If one woman hurt you, why hate on the entire gender? Why spew all that fake-ass biotrooth? Anger phase comes and goes, but they are permanently stuck, it seems.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

You've continued to twist false generalizations. Try addressing me directly. I don't hate women.

[–]Hatefulmalez1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I wasnt talking about you, but those red subs. Its not false, its obv. to anyone.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Address me or my points. Not your hallucinations.

[–]eliechallita5 points6 points  (40 children) | Copy Link

We all know that women prefer good-looking, successful men. That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do.

I don't think that BP denies this, but we do claim that it isn't the be-all-end-all of relationships. Being good looking and successful is always going to be a factor of attraction, but it isn't the only one. Many women might be attracted to the idea of a bad boy, but most also have the sense to move away from the actually bad ones and instead go for the ones who are pretty harmless but retain a little edge.

The problem with the red pill isn't that it states the above-mentioned beliefs: It's that it takes them to absurd conclusions and tries to build a worldview based on them to the exclusion of all other factors.

[–]damaskroseBlue Pill Woman4 points5 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

I don't think that BP denies this, but we do claim that it isn't the be-all-end-all of relationships.

Also that RP doesn't actually understand what it means to be a bad boy. Those bad boys are nice guys... To us. Women don't want an alpha wolf, they want a well-trained pitbull who can protect her from the wolves.

[–]eliechallita3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

That's how I see it too, honestly.

I'm a generally gentle person, but I'm also competently protective.

My girlfriend loves the part of me that is capable of strength and violence, but only because I have a fine control over it. I'm guessing that she would see me very differently if I had a habit of letting my temper go and hitting people, especially since open anger and conflict horrify her.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

And if the pitbull ever messes up and bites someone, well it wasn't his fault

[–]damaskroseBlue Pill Woman1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If we can expect dogs not to bite, then surely we can expect the same of grown adult men? Unless you're claiming men have less self-control than dogs.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Dogs biting being a metaphor for the man not being nice to her

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (34 children) | Copy Link

Red Pill doesn't claim that good looks and success are the be-all-end-all. It just doesn't subjugate them the way that the Blue Pill does.

It's the "absurd conclusions" that make you uncomfortable, make you weak.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

It's the "absurd conclusions" that make you uncomfortable, make you weak.

It deligitimizes RP to begin with. Even the ECs admit RP often speaks in hyperbole to “unplug” dudes and that the “truth isn’t what matters, what matters is if it works.” And frankly I don’t think there is anything wrong with using that as your metric but at least own up to it.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (10 children) | Copy Link

The Red Pill is "delegitimized" by it's own existence. If it weren't counter-culture, it wouldn't matter. That gives it the freedom to explore and make uncomfortable conclusions.

The metric of truth is not provability, it's usefulness.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

No, the metric of truth is objectivity, not pragmatism.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Humans are incapable of being objective.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

Even if that is true, that doesn’t mean the truth isn’t more about achieving objectivity.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

If humans are incapable of being objective, and you define truth as objectivity, then truth does not exist.

But truth does exist, and we know that because of it's ability to affect the future.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Either there is or isn’t an objective truth. Truth is not “what works” it’s “what is.” If you want to argue semantics with me, we will just be talking past one another. If you define “truth” that way, ok, but I define it as objectively, factually describing reality. You can say “it’s true because I got sex that way.” The nsomeone else can come along and say “well I got laid a different way, so my way is the truth.” Do you see what I’m saying?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (2 children) | Copy Link

I no longer subscribe to the common idea of truth as objective as I find it more detrimental than helpful. That's not to say that there is no objective truth, just that it might as well not exist as far as we are concerned.

[–]aznphenix1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If humans are incapable of being objective, and you define truth as objectivity, then truth does not exist.

No it just means humans are mostly incapable of finding the objective truth. It still exists.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree. I exaggerated.

[–]EliteSpartanRangerNice Guys Don't Ask For Rewards0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

the use of the word "unplug" sounds like a car dealership sales advertisement

[–]eliechallita1 point2 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

Such as?

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (19 children) | Copy Link

Such as tactics like Dread.

[–]eliechallita5 points6 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

Dread's a perfect example of TRP taking the aforementioned concept to an absurd and destructive end: If I have to threaten my partner with leaving in order to get their affection or attention, then I would rather not have a partner to begin with, and relying on that trick is a pretty good example of emotional manipulation.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

Not because it isn't based on truth or reality. You reject it because it makes you uncomfortable, because you would rather be powerless.

[–]eliechallita6 points7 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

You reject it because it makes you uncomfortable, because you would rather be powerless.

Making quite a few assumptions there, bud. I've managed to have two very healthy relationships without once resorting to threats or manipulation. You're wrong to assume that they're necessary, or even beneficial.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (15 children) | Copy Link

Dread is not necessary. It's a tactic that works for certain situations.

But your unwillingness to consider utilizing it is due to your weakness. Not it's morality.

[–]eliechallita4 points5 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

But your unwillingness to consider utilizing it is due to your weakness. Not it's morality

Strange words coming from a self-declared Christian: So you think that threats, lying, and manipulation are valid and moral tactics?

Let's put it this way: Any relationship where I would need to use such tactics is not a relationship that I want to be a part of, just as I wouldn't want to be in a relationship where I need to physically defend myself from my partner.

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Atheists looooove throwing morality in Christian's faces. I know, I know - you think you are more moral than me, a better person even.

Good luck with that.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

What’s the difference between having a moral objection to dread versus rejecting it due to “weakness” as you’re describing it?

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...4 points5 points  (27 children) | Copy Link

The Redpill is difficult to summarize, because it's just a collection of observations about nature.

Nah, apparently "Red Pill" is an assumption that a small amount of extremely gullible idiots represent the majority of people (called "Blue Pill"). Of course this is pure fantasy. There's no doubt that the middle aged bozos who concocted RP were part of the gullible idiot contingent.

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2009/09/game-is-red-pill.html?m=1

^ Here's a good example

That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do. That Men and Women are different - they desire and value different things.

Vague and arbitrary titles. Nothing to see here.

The Blue Pill is what people tell you. The Red Pill is what people show you.

The real question is why people do what they do. Knowing that is far more important.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes5 points6 points  (20 children) | Copy Link

So you're at "don't agree = gullible fool"

cool

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...4 points5 points  (19 children) | Copy Link

I just don't buy scaremongering, edgy trash like this (from the link):

"This is blue pill induced paranoia. Fear of "paying dearly" for upsetting a woman. Anyone that even has a rudimentary understanding of Game knows exactly what to do should a woman ask a man to pick a color..."

... at face value.

Anyone who buys that IS a gullible fool, whether I agree or not is irrelevant.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes1 point2 points  (18 children) | Copy Link

a. Fear of "paying dearly" for upsetting a woman

you never heard anything like " did your wife let you do that" or what ever being said in public?

just wondering.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...0 points1 point  (17 children) | Copy Link

The fact that I've heard that a few times doesn't make it common or majority line of thinking.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes2 points3 points  (16 children) | Copy Link

but it does make it much more socially acceptable to say out loud then "husband lets you"

why is that do you think?

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...1 point2 points  (15 children) | Copy Link

I don't think anything of that since I've actually heard both said, and not very often. Which is exactly why I said that all this RP scaremongering is blowing little things that are largely irrelevant completely out of proportion.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes2 points3 points  (14 children) | Copy Link

scaremongering

nah. not scaremongering. but experiences from a bunch of people. maybe different then yours.

Probably how I feel about women with abusive husbands.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

What is a "bunch" of people? Again, sounds like an irrelevant minority.

[–]Taipanshimshonhere for the downvotes0 points1 point  (12 children) | Copy Link

"the manosphere" and others who are not even aware that such a thing exists.

out of my social circle which includes work and extracurriculars, the pervasive view that girls are in charge of relationships and can blow them up and walk away "scott free" is pretty common

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

The real question is why people do what they do. Knowing that is far more important.

Because they arent that funny, they arent that attractive, they are in terrible shape, and because she's not that into them.

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

"Nah, apparently "Red Pill" is an assumption that a small amount of extremely gullible idiots represent the majority of people (called "Blue Pill")."

I don't follow what you are trying to say here.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...3 points4 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

That doesn't surprise me.

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

It shouldn't. You appear incapable of forming coherent thoughts.

[–]Merger-ArbitrageTriggermaster, Non-Pill, Cutting through the crap...2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean it lacks coherency or accuracy. I doubt you even know the history of RP. Read over what I posted veryyyyy slowly. That's the best I'm going to do for you.

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[–]RedRiotGirlInterested7 points8 points  (21 children) | Copy Link

We all know that women prefer good-looking, successful men.

That's the big revelation?

That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do.

Hell, yea. If by "Nice Guys" you mean the type that is only nice for the sake of getting laid and acts like an entitled kid when they get rejected, then give me a bad boy any time.

I agree with OP. A lot of what TRP says is common sense. They just exaggerate to appear edgier.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

If by "Nice Guys" you mean the type that is only nice for the sake of getting laid and acts like an entitled kid when they get rejected, then give me a bad boy any time.

It didn't use to mean that

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It didn't use to mean that

And definitely not in the "don't get laid"-or "finish last"-context.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Hell, yea. If by "Nice Guys" you mean the type that is only nice for the sake of getting laid and acts like an entitled kid when they get rejected, then give me a bad boy any time.

Strawman. The cherrypicked facebook posts of men shared on the internet don't represent the majority of socially affable but unsuccessful men irl (i.e actual nice guys).

It's like the outspoken feminist, university aged women who manosphere people use to discredit young women as a whole. Despite that being a small minority of them.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch5 points6 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's not a strawman. When you capitalize "Nice Guys", it often refers to the stereotype she's talking about. It's confusing to me that he capitalized it if he just meant men who are nice.

[–]AnarchkittyBetter dead than Red2 points3 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, it's like using "Democratic", and then acting confused when people think you're referring to the party and not the general "democratic" political system.

[–]RedRiotGirlInterested1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Strawman. The cherrypicked facebook posts of men shared on the internet don't represent the majority of socially affable but unsuccessful men irl (i.e actual nice guys).

It was written in jest. We all know some genuinely nice unsuccessful men exist. I was just mocking the stereotype.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah, my bad

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Red Pill does not exaggerate, IMO. They just focus on the implications, which I haven't done here.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch5 points6 points  (12 children) | Copy Link

Their whole schtick is exaggeration. Take a look at the concept of maturity in women. Tell me, do you honestly believe women do not mature beyond the age of 18, that 20 year olds and 65 year olds are of identical maturity levels? Or would you call that an exaggeration?

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

This is the first I'm hearing about that. But they do not mature the way that a man does. And you have to keep in mind that r/TheRedPill is for men, from men's perspective.

[–]sovietterran5 points6 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

Infantilized women maybe. Infantilizing women is something redpill wants though, so they literally want to exacerbate a problem they complain about.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (7 children) | Copy Link

Nope even feminist "intellectuals" are children in my eyes

[–]sovietterran7 points8 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

That's a childish response so I think you know where I stand on the reliability of that metric. Honestly, the whole of redpill is a childish temper tantrum/dress up for men who can't really deal with the real world without an ideology that makes it someone else's fault in my eyes.

Sure, a lot of college aged girls who identify as feminist are childish brats, but becoming their polar opposite doesn't make it any better.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (5 children) | Copy Link

I'm not talking about college age girls, they're just going with the flow

Feminist academics are the special brand of retard I'm referring to

[–]sovietterran1 point2 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

Which ones? Dworkin wasn't a child, as full of anger as she was. Dines maybe was a bit super sheltered. Or have you never actually read any of the strawmen you rail on?

Edit: autocomplete love edgy atheists.

[–]shoup88Report me bitch5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

You've never heard of this before? You need to learn the basics before you try and wax philosophical about something.

I recommend reading the sidebar and actually learning about the red pill concepts before debating them. You have to walk before you can run.

Edit: I would also recommend learning the rules of PPD. No downvoting, even if something hurts your feelings.

[–]sublimemongrelBecky, Esq.5 points6 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s on the sidebar

[–]whichbladeNA Paler Shade of Purple1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do.

You don't have to be aloof or dangerous to get women to like you. The women who do like bad boys like the spontaneity they bring.

[–]Princeso_Bubblegum☭ The real red pill ☭1 point2 points  (13 children) | Copy Link

So the red pill is believing what basic unfounded rules of thumb and 'common sense' you posit into the world, while the blue pill is a more skeptical approach which doesn't take things at face value.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

😂 😂

Bp skeptical 💀

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] -1 points0 points  (11 children) | Copy Link

Uh no.

The Red Pill is a collection of observations about nature. Another word for this is "Science".

[–]RedRiotGirlInterested9 points10 points  (7 children) | Copy Link

The Red Pill is not science and even the creators of it don't claim that it is.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (6 children) | Copy Link

Observing Nature is Science.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment5 points6 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Observing Nature is Science.

There's a bit more to it than that. The red pill is not a science, your just mucking it up and confusing terms. It doesn't need to be a science to be helpful.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (4 children) | Copy Link

I'm not claiming it is the totality of science. It obviously isn't peer-reviewed double-blind placebo controlled studies.

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment7 points8 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

I'm not claiming it is the totality of science. It obviously isn't peer-reviewed double-blind placebo controlled studies.

There's still more to it than that. Controlling for variables and such. You can barely do that with the backing of an entire psychology department. Some dudes sharing notes on the internet sure as hell can't. Trp is no more scientific than religion. But much like religion, doesn't need to be scientific to be good at what it does.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

Not even science needs to be "scientific" to be good at what it does

[–]LittleknownfactsVaguely Uncivil Comment4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Not even science needs to be "scientific" to be good at what it does

Fair. But to be "science" it does have to be held to a higher standard of rigor than just "useful".

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Only for those in the religion of scientism

[–]allweknowisD3 points4 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

TRP is science.

I can’t believe I just read those words. Wow

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

You didn't, you hallucinated it.

[–]sovietterran1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

RedPill is the equivalent of anti-vaxxer science. Taking them sweet sweet Facebook posts, racy fanfics, and unreproducible studies and building and empire out of it.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Well, I don't KNOW that women stop maturing at 18, and I don't KNOW that AWALT, and I don't KNOW that all women respond get wet over negging, and I don't KNOW that all women are slaves to hypergamy, ... Shall I go on?

I love how this diminishes TRP into, "Whaaat?? We simply tell men to work out and dress better! That's science!"

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship1 point2 points  (8 children) | Copy Link

The red pill is often just the blue pill without the sugar coating

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

When is it not?

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship-1 points0 points  (6 children) | Copy Link

When it's falsehood

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Such as?

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship-1 points0 points  (4 children) | Copy Link

When it's more opinion than fact. One would have to be born yesterday to believe the entire sub is truth

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What, specifically, do you think is more opinion than fact?

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship-1 points0 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

The statistically ignorant generalizations are a good place to start.

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Do you know what the word specifically means

[–]LUClENSociology of Sex &Courtship0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

The theorizing that the misinformation network which exists is due to deliberate effort rather than the unintentional female propensity to spare feelings. Unfalsifiable and violates Occam's rule.

Unfalsifiable comparisons of human and nonhuman animal justifications / reasoning.

The innumerable value judgments which are neither false nor true.

You sound salty.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I agree OP. For example, everyone knows that tons of women fish for attention on places like social media, but anyone who speaks out about it and breaks the illusion gets downvoted and shit on.

Everyone knows that when women wear low-cut shirts, or when they wear skin-tight pants (pretty much all the time), they're trying to show off their boobs and butt\legs, but anyone who points this out is labeled a misogynist.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing1 point2 points  (2 children) | Copy Link

I never wanted to be a meathead criminal but thats what everyone else wanted. And here we are

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Give the people what they want.

[–]crackrocksteady7Jason tell me what you're chasing0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

[–]sovietterran1 point2 points  (9 children) | Copy Link

The only people who "know" redpill "truths" are the ones who watched way too many 80s movies as a kid and formed a life outlook on them.

Redpill gets some things right, but they make these huge jumps that become this ideologically toxic framework.

Women like to sleep with attractive people. People not getting laid like to throw negative character traits at people who do. Being a dick or an asshole won't get you laid, but after it won't completely stop you from getting laid. Redpillers use this as confirmation bias for their messed up ideas about women.

Tons of good looking, assertive, charasmatic nice guys get laid but that doesn't match the trope nor does it let redpillers externalize and moralize their own failure, so it doesn't fly.

The real world is purple if it's a pill at all, and it shouldn't surprise anyone that women want attractive and fun partners and need to learn to be unselfish in love like any other human. Unfortunately, it does.

[–]fetchyminx4 points5 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

Okay, if you're really good looking you don't need to act a certain way to get laid. But yes dominance would help the average man to get laid because he gets lesser attention than those good looking guys. Most women do like dominant guys, you can't deny that.

[–]sovietterran-1 points0 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

Not the way TRP defines it. TRP defines abusive control and gaslighting as 'dominant'. Most women like assertive men who can take control, but that ain't RP.

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

Being assertive is antithetical to being "Nice".

[–]sovietterran3 points4 points  (5 children) | Copy Link

Only because "nice" has nothing to do with actually being nice. It's dressing up character flaws as something cute when in reality most of the guys are selfish and passive aggressive.

It's why trp can't even let women have a say in dinner plans. It's either total lack of agency or total control. They can't see how someone is assertive but still a team player and open to sharing ideas.

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You acknowledge the obvious truth, then subjugate it in order to avoid uncomfortable conclusions.

[–]sovietterran2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

No. I do not. I am aware of why I was unsuccessful with women when I was an early teen and did something about it.

I didn't tell myself lies about the greater meaning of women having standards in order to be comfortable with my own inadequacy like TRP does.

[–]says_harsh_thingsRed Pill - Chad2 points3 points  (1 child) | Copy Link

It's why trp can't even let women have a say in dinner plans.

Have you TRIED letting women have a say in dinner plans?

It doesn't work. They just cant decide.

Mystery of the universe.

[–]sovietterran3 points4 points  (0 children) | Copy Link

I have, but I also have no problem choosing after someone says IDK or IDC and I also date women with tastes and opinions. We normally walk from genre choices into place choices.

[–]1UPZ_0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You can replace the word "men" from the OP's post with "women" and it'll ring true still.

"Nice Guys" who are not appealing physically will not get laid over a "Bad Boy" who is attractive. But good looking "Nice Guys" or atleast, physically appealing will get laid much more than an ugly or physically unappealing "Bad Boy".

Although, definition of "Nice Guy" can vary... "Nice Guys" who act and behave CLINGY.... will turn women off.... CLINGY men annoys other men... and it turns women off.

[–]TheWhitestOrca0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

I’m blue pill and ive accepted those things that you stated as true. Those are just vague statements. They don’t get deep into red pill values at all.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

It’s difficult to summarize because a lot of what’s on trp here is retarded. Just like Rollo Tomassai going on twitter and griping about how it’s advancjng the feminine communication style. Funny how many stupid “manospherians” are on there tweeting out their pitiful “commandments.”

[–]IckyStickyPoo-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

We all know that women prefer good-looking, successful men.

Yes, everyone knows that.

CONCLUSION: Not an RP truth

That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do.

Most women want nice guys and have sex with nice guys. It's an RP falsehood that only bad boys get laid. Bad boys get laid by bad girls - to put it in as simple terms as possible.

CONCLUSION: An RP falsehood

That Men and Women are different - they desire and value different things.

Everyone knows this.

CONCLUSION: Not an RP truth

These are the basis of the Red Pill. Things we all KNOW, but only recognize at a surface level, because we subjugate them to higher ideals of Love. Of lies.

The basis of the red pill is to show men who are underconfident and unattractive how to improve themselves and have more luck with women. More confidence, better boundaries, better dress sense, better haircuts, better bodies. These are all BP things, but RP men missed the memo due to being clueless. A percentage of women are likewise clueless about men. There will always be a percentage of people who don't pick up on the blatant signals that are everywhere in society. These people will remain clueless - unless they find something that seems to "explain" everything they're confused about. These people are very subsceptible to cults. They'll go from one extreme to the other in their set of beliefs.

RP often says "Well, what is there out there to tell us this stuff?". BP can't understand, because information is everywhere and easy to find. But it's not easy for RP men. And RP would be a good thing for them, if it wasn't so full of hate for women and weird theories.

You can't extrapolate this phenomenon to ALL people and society as a whole. That's why RP's 'theories' are worthless - because they don't apply to all of society.

Eg. Yes, some girls like bad boys, but most do not. A huge number of college women in their mid-20s are already with the man they will marry in their late 20s. They're not out riding a cock carousel of bad boys and plotting to snare a beta bux at age 30. Some are having and lots of sex with different men - but so what? So are lots of men.

CONCLUSION: RP theories are silly.

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

You conclude that if everyone knows something, it is not an RP Truth. But these obvious truths ARE the basis of Redpill knowledge.

Showing men how to improve themselves and have more luck with women is the basis of Redpill advice, which comes from Redpill knowledge.

The Blue Pill does not deny these obvious truths. That's impossible. It subjugates them. Meaning that they are not given the amount of priority that they should - they are downplayed in favor of "be yourself" / "find the one" philosophies.

[–]IckyStickyPoo0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

You conclude that if everyone knows something, it is not an RP Truth. But these obvious truths ARE the basis of Redpill knowledge.

I'm concluding that RP cannot claim these things as "rp truths" as though they were the ones to identify them. If everyone knows and it's common knowledge, no group can claim to identify it.

The Blue Pill does not deny these obvious truths. That's impossible. It subjugates them. Meaning that they are not given the amount of priority that they should - they are downplayed in favor of "be yourself" / "find the one" philosophies.

In the eyes of RP men, as I explained. There is abundant evidence out there that women like good looking, successful men. BP doesn't subjugate that.

[–]Idunnowhy2[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children) | Copy Link

What, in your opinion, is the basis of the Redpill then?

[–]pinkgoldrose-1 points0 points  (3 children) | Copy Link

Why is blue pill "wrong"? I know plenty of couples who are in love where the woman outearns the man and is better looking than him. Men don't even have to do anything. I also know plenty of nice guys who can get all the casual sex they want. The important thing is just to respect what the other person wants and to be honest about what you want. There are plenty of people who want the same thing you do.

[–]Idunnowhy2 1 points1 points [recovered] | Copy Link

What is the difference between a Redpill and Bluepill couple?

[–]pinkgoldrose0 points1 point  (1 child) | Copy Link

Red pill guy believes he needs to be a jerk to keep her interested - he will purposefully withhold affection, he will use dread, he will avoid commitment, he will refuse to listen to her emotional needs.

You can kill a man, but you can't kill an idea.

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