We've all been exposed to Red Pill Truths, but preferred the comfort of Blue Pill Lies

Idunnowhy2 · 2017-11-09T15:51:21+00:00

Whether some belief is nice and comforting, or horrible and painful is irrelevant to whether or not something is true. But it also seems to be irrelevant to whether or not people believe it. There are a lot of extreme 'BP' beliefs that aren't comforting, e.g. men want to keep women oppressed, and there are several extreme RP beliefs that are nice, e.g. men are inherently honorable and loyal.

So instead of saying that one group believes only nice things, and one group accepts reality, I think it is more fitting to say that each groups accepts the beliefs that serve their own interests and agenda the best.

RockinSocksII · 2017-11-09T15:27:37+00:00

We know that people prefer good-looking people. That is by no means gender-specific.

wtknight · 2017-11-09T18:07:22+00:00

Lots of Blue Pillers do fine in relationships and at getting sex, so Blue Pill can't be all lies.

honeypuppy · 2017-11-09T20:40:04+00:00

There are a number of elements of TRP that are comforting to its readers but largely untrue.

The idea that women hit the wall young while men don't really hit it at all is one of them.

Another is the idea that the male population is largely well-defined into a minority of "alphas" and a majority of "betas", but the "alphas" are getting the majority of sex. That's appealing because it allows struggling guys to think "I'm not below average, 80% of guys are struggling", but also "Here's an easy-to-follow system that will turn me into an alpha that all women want and all men want to be".

Electra_Cute · 2017-11-09T15:11:02+00:00

Here is a comment I posted about “truth”.

Hatefulmalez · 2017-11-09T21:33:00+00:00

Yea, women are leeches and harpies, waiting for their man to show the first sign of weakness and suck his soul. Sure. Men are stioc, emotionless, ~~angry~~ rocks who are noble, faultless..Please.

eliechallita · 2017-11-09T16:51:32+00:00

We all know that women prefer good-looking, successful men. That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do.

I don't think that BP denies this, but we do claim that it isn't the be-all-end-all of relationships. Being good looking and successful is always going to be a factor of attraction, but it isn't the only one. Many women might be attracted to the idea of a bad boy, but most also have the sense to move away from the actually bad ones and instead go for the ones who are pretty harmless but retain a little edge.

The problem with the red pill isn't that it states the above-mentioned beliefs: It's that it takes them to absurd conclusions and tries to build a worldview based on them to the exclusion of all other factors.

Merger-Arbitrage · 2017-11-09T15:13:54+00:00

The Redpill is difficult to summarize, because it's just a collection of observations about nature.

Nah, apparently "Red Pill" is an assumption that a small amount of extremely gullible idiots represent the majority of people (called "Blue Pill"). Of course this is pure fantasy. There's no doubt that the middle aged bozos who concocted RP were part of the gullible idiot contingent.

http://hawaiianlibertarian.blogspot.com/2009/09/game-is-red-pill.html?m=1

^ Here's a good example

That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do. That Men and Women are different - they desire and value different things.

Vague and arbitrary titles. Nothing to see here.

The Blue Pill is what people tell you. The Red Pill is what people show you.

The real question is why people do what they do. Knowing that is far more important.

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whichbladeN · 2017-11-09T15:21:10+00:00

That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do.

You don't have to be aloof or dangerous to get women to like you. The women who do like bad boys like the spontaneity they bring.

Princeso_Bubblegum · 2017-11-09T15:41:49+00:00

So the red pill is believing what basic unfounded rules of thumb and 'common sense' you posit into the world, while the blue pill is a more skeptical approach which doesn't take things at face value.

[deleted] · 2017-11-09T21:23:00+00:00

Well, I don't KNOW that women stop maturing at 18, and I don't KNOW that AWALT, and I don't KNOW that all women respond get wet over negging, and I don't KNOW that all women are slaves to hypergamy, ... Shall I go on?

I love how this diminishes TRP into, "Whaaat?? We simply tell men to work out and dress better! That's science!"

LUClEN · 2017-11-09T23:15:08+00:00

The red pill is often just the blue pill without the sugar coating

[deleted] · 2017-11-10T14:03:51+00:00

I agree OP. For example, everyone knows that tons of women fish for attention on places like social media, but anyone who speaks out about it and breaks the illusion gets downvoted and shit on.

Everyone knows that when women wear low-cut shirts, or when they wear skin-tight pants (pretty much all the time), they're trying to show off their boobs and butt\legs, but anyone who points this out is labeled a misogynist.

crackrocksteady7 · 2017-11-09T15:50:01+00:00

I never wanted to be a meathead criminal but thats what everyone else wanted. And here we are

sovietterran · 2017-11-09T17:07:24+00:00

The only people who "know" redpill "truths" are the ones who watched way too many 80s movies as a kid and formed a life outlook on them.

Redpill gets some things right, but they make these huge jumps that become this ideologically toxic framework.

Women like to sleep with attractive people. People not getting laid like to throw negative character traits at people who do. Being a dick or an asshole won't get you laid, but after it won't completely stop you from getting laid. Redpillers use this as confirmation bias for their messed up ideas about women.

Tons of good looking, assertive, charasmatic nice guys get laid but that doesn't match the trope nor does it let redpillers externalize and moralize their own failure, so it doesn't fly.

The real world is purple if it's a pill at all, and it shouldn't surprise anyone that women want attractive and fun partners and need to learn to be unselfish in love like any other human. Unfortunately, it does.

1UPZ_ · 2017-11-10T03:21:01+00:00

You can replace the word "men" from the OP's post with "women" and it'll ring true still.

"Nice Guys" who are not appealing physically will not get laid over a "Bad Boy" who is attractive. But good looking "Nice Guys" or atleast, physically appealing will get laid much more than an ugly or physically unappealing "Bad Boy".

Although, definition of "Nice Guy" can vary... "Nice Guys" who act and behave CLINGY.... will turn women off.... CLINGY men annoys other men... and it turns women off.

TheWhitestOrca · 2017-11-10T04:26:32+00:00

I’m blue pill and ive accepted those things that you stated as true. Those are just vague statements. They don’t get deep into red pill values at all.

[deleted] · 2017-11-09T16:46:40+00:00

It’s difficult to summarize because a lot of what’s on trp here is retarded. Just like Rollo Tomassai going on twitter and griping about how it’s advancjng the feminine communication style. Funny how many stupid “manospherians” are on there tweeting out their pitiful “commandments.”

IckyStickyPoo · 2017-11-09T22:33:52+00:00

We all know that women prefer good-looking, successful men.

Yes, everyone knows that.

CONCLUSION: Not an RP truth

That "Nice Guys" don't get laid, while "bad boys" do.

Most women want nice guys and have sex with nice guys. It's an RP falsehood that only bad boys get laid. Bad boys get laid by bad girls - to put it in as simple terms as possible.

CONCLUSION: An RP falsehood

That Men and Women are different - they desire and value different things.

Everyone knows this.

CONCLUSION: Not an RP truth

These are the basis of the Red Pill. Things we all KNOW, but only recognize at a surface level, because we subjugate them to higher ideals of Love. Of lies.

The basis of the red pill is to show men who are underconfident and unattractive how to improve themselves and have more luck with women. More confidence, better boundaries, better dress sense, better haircuts, better bodies. These are all BP things, but RP men missed the memo due to being clueless. A percentage of women are likewise clueless about men. There will always be a percentage of people who don't pick up on the blatant signals that are everywhere in society. These people will remain clueless - unless they find something that seems to "explain" everything they're confused about. These people are very subsceptible to cults. They'll go from one extreme to the other in their set of beliefs.

RP often says "Well, what is there out there to tell us this stuff?". BP can't understand, because information is everywhere and easy to find. But it's not easy for RP men. And RP would be a good thing for them, if it wasn't so full of hate for women and weird theories.

You can't extrapolate this phenomenon to ALL people and society as a whole. That's why RP's 'theories' are worthless - because they don't apply to all of society.

Eg. Yes, some girls like bad boys, but most do not. A huge number of college women in their mid-20s are already with the man they will marry in their late 20s. They're not out riding a cock carousel of bad boys and plotting to snare a beta bux at age 30. Some are having and lots of sex with different men - but so what? So are lots of men.

CONCLUSION: RP theories are silly.

pinkgoldrose · 2017-11-10T00:13:59+00:00

Why is blue pill "wrong"? I know plenty of couples who are in love where the woman outearns the man and is better looking than him. Men don't even have to do anything. I also know plenty of nice guys who can get all the casual sex they want. The important thing is just to respect what the other person wants and to be honest about what you want. There are plenty of people who want the same thing you do.

Title	We've all been exposed to Red Pill Truths, but preferred the comfort of Blue Pill Lies
Author	Idunnowhy2
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Date	November 9, 2017 3:06 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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