Why are males always the ones who end up isolated and lonely in society?

moosemoosecaribou · 2020-06-02T23:25:55+00:00

You’ve “never met a woman who no man wants to be around?” Have you ever left your house?

garbage_gemlin · 2020-06-02T22:11:38+00:00

I'm going to use my mom and dad for this, even though I disagree with your premise that "females are never lonely". I think women are frequently lonely but they try harder to put themselves out there so they typically have at least one friend.

My mom and dad are very similar personality-wise. My mom has an ok social life; she always has one or two people she does things with and chats with her coworkers a lot. My dad does not have friends, as far as I can tell. He's friendly with his coworkers but rarely ever does social things with a friend outside of work.

My mom really tries and puts herself out there. She's chatty, and will talk to anybody she sees (in the grocery store, on the street, at work, dropping my siblings off at activities). She also is not super picky; she has a few friends she doesn't like very much but still sees fairly frequently.

My dad does not do that; he talks to people at work but doesn't try to hang out with them otherwise. He keeps to himself and does his own thing. I have no idea if he's lonely or not. But he doesn't try to make friends or see people.

This is something my female friends and I have talked about a lot - we all try really hard to see eachother; we make time for eachother weekly at least and chat every day. All of our boyfriends talk to their friends a lot on discord and so on but see them less frequently, like every two months or so. So IMO it seems like it's more of an effort thing; it seems like for whatever reason, every woman I know puts a lot of effort into seeing her friends but the guys don't.

That's not to say that men don't have fulfilling friendships. My boyfriend has a deep appreciation for his friends, and to him chatting every day on discord is exactly what he wants, and he has fun when he sees them. He likes his alone time. But, if you are a guy that is lonely, doesn't have a lot of friends, it would be harder to make friends because you might be the only person putting in the effort, and the dudes u are trying to pursue as friends might not care about expanding their social circle.

DannyTheExplorerHoe · 2020-06-02T23:18:25+00:00

I invite you to check out r/femcels and you will think otherwise. You personally may not have experienced/seen this, but anti-social behaviors also impact many women.

bann2787 · 2020-06-02T20:45:05+00:00

Am I the only man who doesnt want friends outside of family? I just dont care honestly, and it feels like a chore when I have to engage in social work activities. The only thing i can think of i wouldnt mind doing is some type of sport, playing in one i mean.

Maybe this is a factor?

Also, women until recently had to be social to survive, I mean if the man of their children were to die, they would need support from other women to live. Obviously not the case now, but human instinct cant keep up with our progress in society. It's just built into them.

89320420934 · 2020-06-02T14:49:47+00:00

It has to do with the inherent value of a male vs female. Females always have value no matter what, while people only see males as having value whenever they are high status, fun to be around, or provide some other service. If a male brings nothing to the table, no one wants to be around him.

Darklillies · 2020-06-03T00:32:19+00:00

you never seeing it doesn't mean that it doesn't happen. it's not always males, not even close. and majority of your evidence is just what you've seen, wich doesn't account for much.

Cloverfield1996 · 2020-06-02T21:49:43+00:00

Women try a lot harder to be friendly and liked. From a young age women are taught how to diffuse situations, appeal to a range of people, step down from difficult conversations. People like to be around easy people. Men are usually worse at this. On top of that, women are taught how to express and discuss feelings. Men are taught to hide them so there is lower success in bonding time. Men tend to bond over activities and escapades. When there are neither a lot of men find themselves boring and unable to converse. Which is boring and no one wants to be around.

RedPill_is_a_cult · 2020-06-02T14:54:14+00:00

Short answer? There are lonely women out there that are isolated. I imagine you're not running into them because you know... they're isolated.

Slightly longer answer: Guys seem to be more prone to emotional isolation due to rigid ideas of masculinity and 'stoicism'. Some people may blame women for enforcing these burdens, falling back on the old 'I have to be this way for women to find me fuckable' song and dance, but in the end, it's a lack of accountability and willingness to accept responsibility for the decisions made not to seek help.

SaBahRub · 2020-06-02T15:45:42+00:00

I guess the concepts of “spinsters” and “crazy cat ladies” can be ignored when it’s convenient, eh?

And, unfortunately, a single man is a potential sexual threat in a way that a single woman is not.

This talk of “value” is also bs, unless by “value” you mean “pussy”. If so, just say “pussy”

the_purring_jew · 2020-06-02T14:47:31+00:00

because males are more likely to be low agreeability and unable/unwilling to maintain social networks without a woman doing it for them

stop with the "Society" strawman. there's no society. women work very hard at maintaining utilitarian social networks SPECIFICALLY to have people to rely on when needed,complex webs of obligation over decades tie it together. men dont

there's no "society"

TheBookOfSeil · 2020-06-02T17:26:45+00:00

It’s not always, but men are more likely to be lonely and isolated. Women are social and they have innate bias by both men and women working for them. Both men and women treat women better than men. I think it has to do with protecting the bearers of children because it’s more important for the species that women stay alive.

I remember hearing that a society can be rebuilt with something like 10 women and 2 men, but not the other way around because of physical limitations. Women can only get pregnant one time for a period of nine months so more are needed to grow and maintain a population. Our species has bottlenecked before yet we came back somehow, so “protect the women and children” isn’t just a social rule/policy.

boka_rishabh · 2020-06-03T07:37:38+00:00

I did an experiment with my friend se went on r/makenewfriends we posted the very same bio and we're of same age. She got 13 DMs and I got 1 dm from a dude that too outta sympathy.

Ecocavalry · 2020-06-02T15:31:26+00:00

Men are more likely to be autists compared to women. Men are more likely to poorer at emotional regulation, empathy, and conversation. Men also care less about building social capital.

DangZagnut · 2020-06-02T14:50:29+00:00

Men are disposable and no one really cares about them, so, they have to maintain social networks to avoid being marginalized.

Women are far more interested in maintaining their social network, and will almost always choose even a loser man compared to loneliness and irrelevancy.

It's a safety issue. It's the same logic that a woman chases beta bucks. Don't want to be without a financial safety net.

So they pursue it, whereas men are more able to handle isolation, being less social, so they tend to fall into it as they aren't maintaining those social networks as much.

c_dolly · 2020-06-02T15:50:39+00:00

But contrast that with females, I've never come across a female who no one wants to be around them. In every social situation I've encountered, I've never seen a woman who is isolated and lonely and no one wants to talk to them. I've never seen a woman who no man wants to be around (they always have at least 1 man who would like to spend time with them, and usually a lot more than just 1).

That's very intriguing. I've seen a lot of women like that. They weren't super ugly either, but definitely not conventionally attractive and most of them really lacked social skills. You should look harder OP, I'm pretty sure you can find friendless awkward girls and I think there are as many as friendless awkward guys.

You dont need to be super attractive or very valuable in a sexual way to have a social circle. You just need basic social skills and maybe a personality. The latter isn't even that necessary you can socialize with people who lack a personality and usually those kind of people click together well.

Silly_Field · 2020-06-02T21:41:43+00:00

Maybe you just don’t see those women. Lots of isolated women as well. Lots of girls who get bullied and excluded, too.

Women on average make more of an effort to maintain close, intimate friendships however. Men seem to neglect their friends, partners and families and then wonder why they’re isolated.

Matt_Door · 2020-06-02T16:39:04+00:00

A lot of men are discouraged from keeping up with their friends and encourage to drop their hobbies and interests, because these are selfish pursuits that take away from the utility a man is to provide for his wife and family.

So it’s the old catch 22: your loneliness is your fault because you don’t make friends or have hobbies. What you’re going out with your friends again? But you just saw them 6 weeks ago!

psypD · 2020-06-02T15:52:39+00:00

Not really true. There are way more crazy old cat ladies out there than there are isolated men. Also there are plenty of younger women that are completely repulsive and nobody wants to have anything to do with them, just check out FDS.

NarniaFox · 2020-06-02T15:40:23+00:00

I have the opposite experience. Not only I've seen lonely women, but I also was lonely at school and at some point I had no one close among my peers as I got bullied by my ex-friends.

But I do admit that women tend to have less problems with having friends and maintaining close relationships. I guess the reason of this difference can be explained by gender roles at least to some extent.

Stereotypical masculine role doesn't provide a lot of opportunities for creating deep meaningful connections with people, as men aren't encouraged to express and share any kind of emotions except for anger and list, and friendship usually requires an ability to be at least somewhat open with other people.

At least in Russia women tend to have deeper connections with their relatives, because they actually invest in them and they are the ones who are expected to help and care for the elder, ill, newly parents etc. If you spent a lot of time together caring for each other, you probably would bond over it.

dot_dot_dot__ · 2020-06-04T03:09:01+00:00

This is intriguing. Females are never isolated and lonely (aside from very old widowed females), whereas there's a wide spectrum for males - some males are completely isolated and lonely, whereas with other males, everyone wants to spend time with them.

There is a halo around most women. People (including other women) expect them to be more accommodating, friendly, and giving. For better or worse, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy.

KazROFL · 2020-06-02T16:50:52+00:00

Lonely isolated women don't murder or harass other people on the scale that loney isolated men do so it's not as obvious..

learn2earn89 · 2020-06-02T17:13:15+00:00

When it comes to friendships, men reject lonely men a lot more than women reject lonely women. That’s my hot take.

901735 · 2020-06-02T15:08:14+00:00

It doesn't happen to males only, really. Lonely females exist, too. With approx 50/50 there are as many lonely females as there are males out there.

The "lonely" word just seems to be reserved more for males only in media lately, whereas females are called "single", "powerful on their own", "in no need of a man" and "wonderful just as she is" and other similar mentalsturbations.

Another thing to take into consideration is males being more self-reliant by nature (and nurture - expectations) and tend to not seek company as much as females do.

Freak-O-Natcha · 2020-06-02T17:04:54+00:00

I didnt have a boyfriend until I was 22 years old.

I was the weird kid, the artsy girl who liked yugioh more than makeup or dolls. The girl who just wanted to have fun with video games.

I was bullied to the point of suicidal ideation.

I still have mental problems that I'm working through with a therapist. I still sometimes have dark thoughts.

It seems like men have more because women's pain is ignored by men.

siberiansummer · 2020-06-02T15:52:48+00:00

I was single for over 1.5 years and I never felt lonely because I have friends. But as a woman I feel like we put more effort, thought and time into developing networks. I actively try to stay into my friends' lives. From my observation men just don't do it. My ex husband wasn't interested in talking to other men about anything other than football. When his "best friend" broke up with his wife my ex didn't even bother to find out any details. Now I just started dating a guy and he doesn't seem to be interested in hanging out with his friends either. Like of course it's nice he seems content with just hanging out with me but I still make sure I stay in touch with my girls and still hang out with them just not as much. It's just when I go see my friends he just stays home or goes to see his family

NickNeverBrokeAgain · 2020-06-03T02:13:55+00:00

The way I see it, men are taught to hold emotions in from a very young age. That in turn leads to difference between a lonely male and a lonely female.

A lonely female is generally lonely due to the attitudes of other people towards her for whatever reason (unattractive, weird, different religion/race, etc.). While a man is lonely for same reasons too, the difference is that with a man, you never what you're gonna get. With a female, even if she has been through bullying and isolation WILL have a better outlook on life than the man.

That's why we inherently feel bad for the isolated female, because we know with the emotional pressure that was instilled into men and the fact that men are way more dangerous than women, that the man is mentally unprepared for social contact.

Women are always ready to take social networking on. Men are told that any emotion they have, they better check it. Pressure like that can cause inability to socialize, and it takes self effort to get out of it for men. Sadly, the effort is extremely hard to find because these men are so emotionally unprepared.

thetruthishere_ · 2020-06-02T15:28:01+00:00

Isolation is a choice.

Awkward-Office · 2020-06-02T20:31:52+00:00

I’m a lonely isolated female, always by myself. I guess you can argue that I’ve chosen this lifestyle out of extreme shyness and low self esteem, but I can also argue that’s the case for any male in the same position.

Troy016 · 2020-06-02T15:01:34+00:00

It comes down to men becoming disposable.

Society now, mainly cares about women and their problems .

Men just get left in the dust because we’re considered evil lmao

Asplusnd · 2020-06-03T09:29:36+00:00

You are a man right?

FreedomEntertainment · 2020-06-03T10:45:32+00:00

Well women are too p8ssy to leave a toxic relationship, there is a reason women stays with a bad high status people. My mom is one example that did not divorce my father. Screaming beating children everyday until I got pumped with muscle, and beat him in intelligence, strength and size.

pervlibertarian · 2020-06-03T16:12:06+00:00

I honestly think gender-specific hobbies may have something to do with it. Focussing on portable hobbies that might spark a conversation: Women can knit wherever. Their books tend to be non-threatening. Men have scrimshaw. Even a tiny hobby knife looks like a shiv in the hands of a strange man, and men think, possibly correctly, that less serious books make them look frivolous and effeminate.

Men have little to nothing be gained by ignoring the gender conventions on this score either. Maybe less so today, but not so recently, a young or middle aged man who knits in public would risk being beaten or at least harassed several times over before any woman, likely his grandmother's age, saw fit to talk to him about his new sock-hat or sweater project.

For the record, I knit and cross-stitch. This is not trash-talk.

uglygalthrow · 2020-06-03T17:39:59+00:00

I am a socially isolated woman. I literally have no guys in my life and haven’t had any close guy OR girl friends since like the dawn of time. I try to make friends, but they just hang out without me. We do exist despite people dismissing our existence for whatever reason.

propagandu · 2020-06-03T23:50:47+00:00

She has no friends

thowway99999 · 2020-06-04T03:43:58+00:00

I wouldn’t say always because I’ve met a few lonely females. I will say it’s a lot harder for women to actually remain truly lonely. When I was in my teens I knew a few lonely girls who got a little bit attractive and then totally switched up. They started posting pics with guys and saying generic basic bitch shit. I’d say the only truly lonely women I’ve seen were disabled someway, mentally or physically.

On a weirdness scale of 1-10, with 10 being like some serial killer shit, I think women have to be at an 8.5 to be lonely and stay that way. Men on the other hand have to be like at a 5. Unless one of these people find someone of equal weirdness them they’re probably gonna stay lonely

2020-06-04T10:07:51+00:00

Whenever men try to express their emotions society oppresses them which slowly leads to depression

Sparkmetodeath · 2020-06-13T02:46:57+00:00

Because women are never truly single - they’ll nearly always have friends who play the same role as a partner. There’s a reason why often female friendships last less long than male ones. Women share much more with each other, essentially exposing all their secrets, insecurities and wrongdoings to their friends. Men are often more reserved in friendships. They focus more on the physical experiences of having friends than the emotional. It’s just a different game, as Serena Williams said. A lot of men need women as partners for the emotional aspect, but women already have that role filled. A relationship is just an optional extra.

bythepeartrees · 2020-06-02T14:39:14+00:00

Higher chance of autism and general social ineptitude. The few isolated girls I’ve known fit this bill

TechRyze · 2020-06-02T17:51:15+00:00

Because men don't build social networks the way women do. Men rarely actively seek to build social connections, they tend to isolate themselves.

It's toxic masculinity in action.

balanaise · 2020-06-02T18:19:36+00:00

My two cents: Women are very giving of themselves as they’re trained to be helpful, polite and kind from a very early age. These traits help women avoid ruffling any feathers, so people generally are ok with being around them.

Reversed, if males don’t learn similar social graces in their formative years, it can be easy for them to rub people the wrong way and find themselves with fewer social partners—friends or otherwise—to choose from as time goes on.

Women being more comfortable with openly pursuing and cultivating emotional attachments socially definitely helps too.

Thinkingard · 2020-06-02T17:42:39+00:00

Men pursue interests and rarely people. A guy might be lonely but he probably doesn’t want to chill with people all the time he would rather be working on something. That is if he is an introvert. There are plenty of men who are extrovert who have lots of friends and chat with strangers and colleagues all the time.

SpencerWS · 2020-06-02T17:43:06+00:00

As someone who’s been thinking about this for a while, I think the problem is a lack of social prowess and emotional openness among men. Women tend to accomplish this very easily and have been doing it for a long time with others, but men are stilted and uncomfortable in developing personal relationships with other men. There may even be power dynamics that creep into relationships between men- The one who laughs the most at jokes, or who shows the most grief, is more in need of the other- therefore weaker. As an isolated man, I very much dislike this, but we have to consider it honestly in order to find solutions. Men do well to push for independence and emotional control, despite what others say, but their strategy is undermining one another in this situation.

AdaTennyson · 2020-06-02T19:01:45+00:00

Women are more interested in people than men are, on average.

A lower level of interest in people likely contributes to this.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19883140/

rubbooyuri · 2020-06-02T20:07:35+00:00

Men: Relationships and caring are gay, childcare and nurturing is for losers, I got mine; fuck you, and I have no use for women unless they are fucking me. Tits or GTFO!

Also men: wHy aM i sO LoNLey?

Wiggy_Bop · 2020-06-02T21:15:52+00:00

There are a lot of lonely single women out there as well.

Men are usually single for a reason— obese, unkempt, nasty tempers, porn addict and so on.

basedmillennial95 · 2020-06-02T23:42:52+00:00

Sperm is cheap and Eggs are expensive.

If half the tribes men die, the tribe will be fine. If half the tribes women die, the tribe is in mortal danger.

Men are and have always been disposable. That disposability used to be honored and valued.

ZestycloseAardvark2 · 2020-06-03T03:58:31+00:00

There are plenty of lonely women.

Willow-girl · 2020-06-03T12:10:25+00:00

Only men, eh?

I'd say this is a prime example of male solipsism ...

paint-the-world-red · 2020-06-02T16:43:13+00:00

It’s a thing because we‘re taught not to rely on anybody else for help for the most part (in this world you're on your own as a man) and not to talk about things. Girls on the other hand are raised in a more social way and opening up easier in most cases.

Now you could argue that this because "men have no inherent value but women do and the only reason they’re left in the dust is because they bring nothing to the table" but I tend to disagree with the notion that, I think it’s more along the lines of potential value.

The way I see it, 98% of us, both male and female are effectively worthless. I don’t believe that women are somehow more valuable just because they can push a kid out, now if she’s pushing out a valuable kid then yeah, she was pretty fucking valuable but most women are pushing out average, maybe even mediocre worker bees. You’re only valuable if you provide something of value.

Ediththth · 2020-06-02T19:23:07+00:00

This opinion seems very biased. Maybe you’ve seen more lonely men around you because you were looking for that to reinforce your belief that men are lonely whereas no woman is.

However, the “cat lady” stereotype did not fall from the sky. Not that all lonely women are necessarily cat owners, I just took the example bc that’s how the mainstream media usually portray lonely women.

ontherailstoday · 2020-06-03T02:07:20+00:00

> Why are males always the ones who end up isolated and lonely in society?

Are you fucking BLIND? I mean literally do you have eyes to see with? You can't just exclude "older lonely women" as though that's not like 20 to 30 years of a woman's life. All this whining about the fact it takes guys an extra 2 OR 3 years or so to get to full effective sexual maturity and how much of the end of the world it is. Pfffft.

https://www.google.com/search?q=lonely+old+women&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjF7Kf5xuTpAhU5_zgGHXseBjEQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=lonely+old+women&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzoGCAAQBxAeUL3NA1iF1QNgrtcDaABwAHgAgAHkAYgB-gmSAQUwLjIuNJgBAKABAaoBC2d3cy13aXotaW1n&sclient=img&ei=8QTXXoWwDrn-4-EP-7yYiAM&bih=484&biw=960&rlz=1C1GCEA_enAU754AU754

vicistvic · 2020-06-02T15:50:50+00:00

Women have men at their disposal because men are pussy whipped. Without the popularity of getting laid, men would focus on developing friendships amongst each other.

GunBullety · 2020-06-02T18:05:59+00:00

A male's value to women is gauged by his ability to make quality offspring and provide for them/defend them/raise them into adulthood.

A woman's value to men is, frankly, gauged by her quality as a sex object.

It's just biology and the inherently different imperatives of each sex. Neither one is romantic or nice, each are using the other in funnily enough precisely their "worst fear".

"You only want to use me for sex" is what women moan about.
"You're a gold digger" is the male equivalent.

So then each will try and argue this is not true so as not to be vilified. But it is true. And frankly we should probably all just stop feeling guilty about it and work on accepting and understanding this reality and looking at it in a positive way.

But then what this means for a guy who is unattractive and/or poor with no prospects, is you are equal to a girl who has NO value has a sex object.
"Oh so like my female equivalent? Like if I had a twin sister?"
No. Absolutely not. Your twin sister would have a lot of value as a sex object. Her dumb, poor, doughy, ugly ass still is fresh nice meat for a lascivious male. Your dumb, poor, doughy, ugly ass has zero value as a provider and father. None whatsoever.

Even an ugly girl who will make bad offspring still has value as a sex object. It doesn't hurt a male, biologically in a natural setting, to put his seed in all kinds of women and just see what sticks. A female who is high quality, who will make good offspring, has more sex appeal, but even one of low quality still innately has value as a sex object. And naturally males will instinctively acknowledge and respect this fact and treat her accordingly.

Your hypothetical twin sister will naturally be higher in the pecking order than you.

Your true female equivalent- if you're an undesirable young man who has no prospects as a provider for, and producer of, fine offspring- is actually a very very old woman. Post menopause, utterly unappealing sexually. A woman of no value. That's your female analogue.

This is a bitter pill to swallow, every fibre of this young man's being is screaming at him to put his seed in a fertile young woman, but he doesn't cut the mustard. He's not understanding how low his value is. And so we have the incel problem. Young men who are utterly unwanted by everyone, wondering where their "soul mates" are, or for the less romantic and more logical, their "female equivalent". Well sadly they need to check the nursing home. Of course they don't want to have sex with these women, and the feeling, believe it or not, is mutual. So old ladies and the rejected bottom section of males are left lonely and bitter.

The unattractive girl is not in this reject category. Mind you, she's not in the winner's circle either, she will mostly just be used for sex and have trouble inspiring or retaining commitment, but she will experience being desired at least.

c_dolly · 2020-06-02T15:30:16+00:00

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NUE4T9x · 2020-06-02T15:19:59+00:00

I think it is "built in". There is a birth surplus of males of around 1% (?). In addition, a portion of women used to die in child birth. My suspicion is that nature expects something like 25-50% of males to die of "natural" causes before the age of 20, either by killing eachother, themselves, or trying to catch wilderbeast.

Most old societies have solved the surplus males problem somehow. Up until recently, this was effectively solved in western society through monogamy (enforced through culture and religion). We are now, again, exposing ourselves to a state of humanity where a large portion of adult males have no investment in future generation, and little reason to participate productively in society.

In ancient times, this problem was also addressed by slavery, mercenary armies, and so on.

oOGrumblesOo · 2020-06-02T17:08:05+00:00

People are getting overphilosophical.

Surface level, men are usually perceived as ugly and intimidating to women and men. "I don't want to be around this person."

Surface level, women are usually perceived as attractive and less threatening to both women and men. "I want to be around this person."

Also, other women lookout for eachother cuz they see eachother as minorities for some reason.

Men, more or less, see eachother as competition. They don't really watch out for each other.

Obviously there are exceptions. Obviously.

johnxwalker · 2020-06-02T16:47:02+00:00

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carlsberg24 · 2020-06-02T19:20:26+00:00

Biology. Men are literally far more disposable than women, due to how procreation works, and this is manifested in our feelings and behavior. Men have far greater protective instincts towards women than vice versa. Women have strong protective instincts too, but they are generally reserved for their own children only. So we end up in a situation where society in general builds far more support structures to protect women, while men are supposed to fend for themselves and are not expected to reach out for help or be helped. This is not likely to ever change.

There is also the matter than men are attracted to women mostly on the basis of their bodies while women are attracted to men mostly on the basis of their status. Even though psychologists claim that women are more interested in people than men, when it comes to sexual attraction, upgrading to a higher status man is easier for women, both emotionally and pragmatically, than switching to another woman of even equivalent attractiveness is for men.

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Fuzi0z · 2020-06-02T22:45:28+00:00

Because geting dick os easy but geting pussy isnt

_innominate_ · 2020-06-02T23:50:55+00:00

You purple pill guys alright? 🙁

12112019 · 2020-06-03T01:41:07+00:00

These comparisons don't do you any good, you were born the way you are, from this point you only need to worry about how to get the most out of your life.

Physiologist21 · 2020-06-03T03:19:41+00:00

Combination of the nature/burden of male performance and too many people having a BP point of reference.

Although the "females are never isolated and lonely" is very incorrect.

the_calibre_cat · 2020-06-03T11:58:16+00:00

You can't make humans, you're not the desired sex. Humans ostensibly give a shit about equality. Nature didn't.

Urbantexasguy · 2020-06-03T17:41:31+00:00

I’ll probably get flamed for this, but it needs to be said. I think a lot of Millennial men are mentally/emotionally WEAK. As a Gen-X guy, I faced challenges that would curl these boys up, into a little fetal ball.

I asked out women in PERSON, and often got rejected the same way, in person, but I didn’t let it stop me. I learned from each romantic attempt and moved on. Adjust your game and come back stronger.

I looked for jobs by stuffing envelopes, HUNDREDS of them, typing up cover letters, and pounding the pavement. I did so many followup calls with HR departments, they probably thought I was a real pest. Posting a decent resume online, seems to be beyond the capabilities of many young men today.

I found male friends, by doing things, and befriending men who liked to do the same things. Yeah, I know reaching out to a new guy to become buds, can be a bit awkward, but we all did it as kids, why can’t we do it as adults?

I go to the gym even when I don’t feel like it, because I know how important it is, for my health, my confidence, and my attractiveness. I spend a lot of time shopping for good clothes, even though I’d rather do other things, because I know the importance of good “packaging”. Clothes are a big part of your “personal marketing”. Yes, they really do MAKE the man!

All I hear on Reddit from young men, is INCESSANT complaining. Instead of asking yourself, “What do I have?”, maybe you should be asking yourself, “What do I DESERVE?”

blackredrosepetals · 2020-06-03T18:28:22+00:00

we love sweeping generalisations that push the agenda of the poor males!! <3

you see what you want to see. it’s called confirmation bias. you’ve made up your mind that a woman could never ever be lonely or bullied or depressed and nothing will change that. the ignorance in your post is just astounding. the fact that you’ve noticed some lonely guys in high school doesn’t suddenly mean male loneliness is an epidemic or that it’s any worse or more prevalent than female loneliness.

from when they’re very young, women are socialised to be friendly and accommodating so it’s no surprise that more people want to be around them. people don’t want to be around someone miserable and bitter, (man or woman.) if more men put effort into developing their social skills and becoming genuinely interesting, funny, good people, that others would want to be around, then perhaps this wouldn’t be a problem for as many of them. but they prefer to just blame society for not acCePtIng their asses aS tHeY aRe.

justfoodstuff24 · 2020-06-08T15:31:23+00:00

lmao

basedandredpilledboy · 2020-06-11T10:55:29+00:00

because men are stoic übermenschen and women are lil pussies

-sick_sad_world- · 2020-06-02T14:57:36+00:00

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redditthrowaway1478 · 2020-06-02T16:23:10+00:00

The truth is that there not the only ones, there are also women who are isolated and lonely.

More men end up isolated and lonely, and that is related to the differences between being a man and being a woman (science not bs). Jordan Peterson has a few videos that explain. such differences, well worth investing 30-60 minutes or so

skystar86 · 2020-06-02T20:42:22+00:00

Autism

Aspanu24 · 2020-06-02T21:39:54+00:00

It’s a form of sexism that is taboo to talk about.

Pastelitomaracucho · 2020-06-02T17:16:31+00:00

Cat ladies exist for a reason

Xemnas81 · 2020-06-02T19:16:40+00:00

You've never met a 'crazy' old lady?

snuskbusken · 2020-06-02T19:24:16+00:00

Women are the sexual selectors, therefore inevitably more men than women are rejected and left out. Additionally, society treats male bonding with suspicion, are men are inherently less social than women, so you have an increased tendency for men to become isolated.

dylang92 · 2020-06-02T19:34:18+00:00

There’s no value to men, simple as that

LotBuilder · 2020-06-02T19:51:18+00:00

There are a lot of lonely older women out there.

CollaWars · 2020-06-02T20:59:27+00:00

Lonely and isolated ones aren’t at social events?

flowerfairy-1 · 2020-06-02T22:08:09+00:00

I think it has to do with society’s expectations on men to be stoic and emotionless. This results in men being less likely to reach out. Society also creates false expectations on how relationships will appear. Like if you do x, that will result in relationship. Relationships (friend or otherwise) are fluid and not that straight forward. In general, I believe it is the expectations on men and their emotions which prevents them from having fulfilling connections with other men and women.

Wander1900 · 2020-06-03T00:08:37+00:00

Because the burden of domestic violence laws ruins our livea

wathon2 · 2020-06-04T03:50:29+00:00

Any woman that is lonely is lonely by choice.

Man date down, women date up. So even a woman that is the lowest 1/10 can find a 4/10 man that thinks she is a catch.

On the other hand, men that are 1-3/10 literally has NO one to date down to.

2020-06-02T20:10:55+00:00

Women are born with what men want. Men have to work for what women want.

lKurome · 2020-06-02T20:25:28+00:00

Feel like men have more demons to battle than women but other side of the same coin is men take advantage of women more

analt223 · 2020-06-02T20:40:24+00:00

because women have a vagina, gives them some semblance of purpose in life, even if its not the one they want

angry_ogunsoto · 2020-06-02T21:38:26+00:00

People end up lonely or isolated as you saib because they have some psychological problems or are going through difficult moments in their lives. The thing is men are taught not to express their problems or emotions because it is not considered masculine. Thus men have to deal with their problems on their own, otherwise they are considered worthy of pity. In contrast, women have more supportive social circles. Female friends usually share the burden of the problems that their friend has by giving advice, cheering her up or trying to relate to the situation. Men do not have such support from their friends because if a man carps about his miserable life he is considered weak, lacks confidence and loses respect from his social circle.

It has to do with traditional values that are expected to be demonstrated by men.

Title	Why are males always the ones who end up isolated and lonely in society?
Author	BumblingBeta
Upvotes	123
Comments	477
Date	June 2, 2020 2:35 PM UTC (3 years ago)
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