Why do pick up artists have a bad reputation? (What difference is there from them and a random fuckboy at the bar)

passepar2t · 2020-04-01T18:10:24+00:00

My favorite pet theory is that if a guy doesn't "get it naturally" and has to learn a pickup algorithm, he's bad genes masquerading as good genes, which is revolting on some instinctual level.

The more probable reason is: fucking look at most of them.

DangZagnut · 2020-04-01T18:11:28+00:00

PUAs are money making scam artists. It's not some guy going out with game and getting laid, it's the maggots selling books and coaching sessions and that kind of get rich quick scheme.

That's the problem, they're just taking advantage of people.

The sales guys, not some guy who is good at getting laid.

flamingoinghome · 2020-04-01T18:24:38+00:00

There's no difference between them and random sleazy guys acting cheesy at the bar. Nobody likes the latter, either. "PUAs" as a concept are, at most, an easier target because of the goofy lingo and that thing they used to do with the hats.

Cobra_x30 · 2020-04-01T19:51:30+00:00

This answer is simple. Because we use female psychology and cultural norms against them. To them it feels like we are cheating.

I should also add this. Imagine you line up 10 girls and you walk up to one and ask for a date and she says no. Then you take one step to the left and ask the second girl and she says no. Repeat that procedure down the line. How do you think a woman who says Yes will feel in this situation?

You see PUA goes against all female notions of romance. I was in the downtown of a big city once getting phone numbers. I saw this really beautiful woman and spent about 10 minutes planning what to say. I approached and she was French, my strategy worked and I was funny and witty. I got her number and we wound up dating for 7 or 8 months. I remember sitting with her friends and they asked how we met and she said "We met walking on the streets, It was like magic! We had instant chemistry". I laughed about it, but instantly I thought to myself what was easy and magical for her.... was hard fucking work for me. She was probably the 11ht girl I approached that day, and I spent a lot of time before meeting her learning how to do things like this.

PickleLine · 2020-04-01T20:24:28+00:00

Women don't like the idea that they can be manipulated.

dylang92 · 2020-04-01T19:54:48+00:00

Looks mostly. An attractive guy is always fine and is just a fuckboy, a PUA is an average or below average dude trying to hit on women that don’t want anything to do with him.

2020-04-01T18:49:12+00:00

You gotta define what you mean by pick up artists, link a video or something.

Without knowing what you actually mean, I'd say hitting on someone is fine as long as you move on if they're uncomfortable /not into it. My image of a "pick up artist" is someone who tries to plow through the other person's discomfort and trap them in the interaction

Mimoxs · 2020-04-01T19:31:49+00:00

What makes you think PUAs and random fuckboys aren't a 99% Venn diagram overlap

Gravel_Roads · 2020-04-01T22:44:50+00:00

For the same reason Jehovah’s Witnesses and phone solicitors have a “bad rap” — People don’t like having their day interrupted to be offered something they don’t want.

Ballface8020 · 2020-04-02T03:26:39+00:00

They are pathetic. Anyone who makes it their mission in life to go out and have as much casual sex as possible is a disgrace.
They advocate some incredibly cringy techniques like negging, sarging, kino-escalating, peacocking and trying to be "alpha" which just makes them come off as try hard losers
Their bullshit advice doesn't work. Women want attractive guys, they don't care about any of that PUA bullshit.

A typical fuckboy at the bar is good looking. He just does what good looking guys have done forever: flirt with girls until he finds one that will come home with him. No bullshit techniques or any of that.

yuckyuck13 · 2020-04-01T20:47:25+00:00

Lets all be honest, the majority of men are not good with women. There's men who are great with women naturally, others employ cheesy and or deceptive tactics to attract women, while the rest are clueless. Pick up artists get a bad rep because the majority are simply in it for sex. And often use vapid personality traits.

popfriday · 2020-04-01T18:49:48+00:00

Because watching ugly people try to practice “game” is cringey and uncomfortable for everyone else to watch.

Also no one wants to believe these strategies will work on them even though coming from the right person, they would. No one wants to believe they’re dating someone who had to fake emotional intelligence and normal flirtation game.

2020-04-01T19:39:24+00:00

because they're mostly annoying.

i don't like little routines or people putting on acts. i like chill guys. if a guy is chill when he approaches me he's cool. if he's annoying and doing little routines then he is not.

chattanoogacat · 2020-04-01T18:27:14+00:00

the word natural is being thrown around in this thread

is there any source material online where women have expressed disgust/ for men who aren't naturals? or any thing of them actually not liking men who have to practice being attractive(seductive skills etc)

2020-04-01T20:41:38+00:00

When it comes to SMP "groups" usually everyone outside that group doesn't like people in that group, therefore:

PUA people love PUA philosophy, but people outside PUA don't like PUA people

TRP people love TRP philosophy, but people outside TRP don't like TRP people

FDS people love FDS philosophy, but people outside FDS don't like FDS people

Blue Pill people love Blue Pill philosophy, but people outside Blue Pill don't like Blue Pill people

and so on.

What's a "FuckBoy"? I am not really clear about that. My understanding is that some women - but not all women - at times - but not always - are looking for some casual sex (at a bar or wherever) and so are some men. When the hookup happens both parties are happy.

At times, after-the-fact for whatever reason the woman changes her ming and regrets her past actions and that's when the word "fuckboy" comes up. Wouldn't that make her a fuckgirl?

IMO all those labels for people who express their sexuality freely should be abolished.

mydikishomofobik · 2020-04-02T17:10:51+00:00

First western society tends to have a negative view of hetero male sexuality. Righty conservatives = "Sex outside of marriage is bad! Get married!" Meanwhile a lot of the women who want to get married are middle-aged divorced single mothers, and the righty conservatives with wives and kids get caught with male prostitutes while high on meth.

Lefty liberals = "We're sex positive! Sexual liberation!" But "sex positive" for them means supporting 12 year old boys getting sex changes and rampant gay male cruising on public playgrounds. But a man sticking his penis into an 18-25 year old woman's vagina? That's PERVERTED! Burn the witch!

So you can't expect society not to have a negative view of people whose stated goal is to help men have sex with attractive women.

Secondly, PUAism is a bit like used-car salesmanship or something. You're trying to trick someone into giving you something. And like DangZagnut pointed out, PUA "gurus" make a living by tricking MEN into giving them MONEY rather than trying to trick women into giving them sex.

I listened to some PUAs online and all I heard was blah blah blah blah blah blah. When are you going to tell me how to stick my dick in the pussy, can we get to the point? They just keep yapping and yapping to get more money, whereas if you're a horny guy you're just trying to get laid. So if I want pussy, I skip the BS and the money-grabbing PUA guru used car salesmen and find the quickest route to get it.

jflc3l · 2020-04-02T19:14:14+00:00

Because they sell a lie that attraction can be “manufactured” between two individuals even if it is non-existent. A woman decides within half a second whether you are fuckable or not.

Pick up coaches take advantage of men who no matter how much they shower, style their hair, get the best clothes or cars will still be unfuckable to women. They are sold a lie that you just need to hold frame brooo.... while the 6’3” hunter eyed chad just exists and has girls literally trying to rape him.

Innovative_being · 2020-04-01T18:27:22+00:00

Because women want the “naturals”. They don’t want the normal guys seeking to improve and become like the naturals, so they put in a concerted effort to trip up men in an effort to prevent men from adopting PUA/ TRP.

Zero_The-Hero · 2020-04-01T19:17:55+00:00

Dude pick up artists are cringe because it's like taking a nerd approach to dating. It's like thinking if I do X Y and Z she will drop her panties.

As women get to their mid 20’s they see that lame shit from a mile away

2020-04-01T18:22:55+00:00

Roosh said a lot of rapey stuff. Other than that, I think some people just find it pathetic?

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superincongruent · 2020-04-01T19:55:20+00:00

"Go approach 1000 women". "Keep plowing". etc.

From what I've seen PUAs go around and scattershot approach on every woman they can, and they don't let it slide if she's not interested (because that's a "shit test"). So their annoying behavior becomes really obvious to everyone who's paying attention.

Normal-looking age-appropriate guys who strike up random convos don't really get noticed.

OpdatUweKutSchimmele · 2020-04-01T20:38:11+00:00

Welcome to the reality of life that a change of label for the same can greatly influence the opinion of it for many humans—"It's not a doll; it's an action figure!".

blueberrypieplease · 2020-04-01T23:43:53+00:00

MANipulation. Negging BS. All that.

Fuckboys just want to get inside your body, not your head.

2020-04-02T06:53:05+00:00

They're creeps and asshole. Thing is there's more to it than that though. Women have an existential fear that they'll be fooled into sleeping or even committing to a man that's inferior. This is why disgust registers as a more highly, commonly felt emotion in women. PUA, save the odd bit of self-improvement advice from the more genuine ones, is all about appearing more attractive than you actually are. Thus it triggers contempt from women.

richlad · 2020-04-02T07:16:47+00:00

Pickup artist is one who learns the ropes and games women.

Fuckboy is one who is that way by instinct.

Women will always hate a man who rises above others?

One of my highschool friend asked out many girls but always got rejected and now when he became a big singer and signed by a big label, same girls calls him to see if they still have any chance with him.

He showed me the call recordings and I did recognize the voice of those girls.

So what gives? Just work on yourself and let the world which wanna burn, burn. Be Trumph my friend.

PM_ME_SPICY_DECKS · 2020-04-03T01:40:42+00:00

PUAs are scam artists that try to sell people techniques for emotional manipulation.

Simp_Gulag · 2020-04-15T07:30:27+00:00

Selling 50 page books for $100

j50wells · 2020-06-19T00:13:08+00:00

Here's why...when a hot guy fucks a lot of women, people get turned on by this. They fantasize about it and try to put themselves in that position, whether in their dreams or fantasy. But when an average chump fucks hot women, they feel disgusted. Maybe it's because they can't masturbate about it later.

JB8511R · 2020-04-01T18:07:40+00:00

Because their methods revolve around manipulation to which is inherently a bad thing.

oneplasticbike · 2020-04-01T18:11:01+00:00

because PUAs are not naturals. they practice and execute.

2020-04-01T18:57:47+00:00

Imagine if instead of showing you a delicious chicken sandwich KFC advertised their food by showing chickens being plucked, decapitated, skinned, cut up, and their meat boiled in oil.

The end product is still the exact same but seeing the gritty details is a turnoff. Men need the blueprints to know how turn chickens into delicious sandwiches. Women just want sandwiches.

LowCreddit · 2020-04-01T18:59:25+00:00

This is for the same reason that TRP got started. PUA attempts to take an awful product and trick customers into buying it. These customers are either insulted that the PUA thinks their intelligence is that low or feeling awful that they bought the shitty product. PUA's are essentially seedy used-car salesmen.

TRP took the sales techniques that actually work and started selling better products. Lifting and mindset became much more important than running confidence games on groups of women. A good product offered with good sales techniques is the best answer.

Truth is the reason TRP is quarantined and R/seduction is not. TRP is far too truthful than most people can be comfortable with. Reality is inhumane, and we do our very best to pretend that it isn't. The really iffy stuff like "women are children" doesn't help either.

Title	Why do pick up artists have a bad reputation? (What difference is there from them and a random fuckboy at the bar)
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