Hey guys,

First of, I want a serious discussions, not trolling...etc. This is something I never understood about the Redpill or Roosh V forums and as well as the Expats groups. Why was it that on one side there's 'self-help' advices for men while this advice goes hand in hand with an anger towards Westernized women?

I don't think that the two groups are necessarily correlated. For instance, when I tell people I'm a pick up artist sometimes they say, "You must hate women then." I answer, "Not at all. I just doing my own thing." There are other guys from other communities be it club promoters, musicians, actors who also want similar goals of having multiple girlfriends..etc. Yet they seem to lack this sort of anger towards women and people don't associate their professions with 'anger towards' woman like being a pick up artist.

At the same time, a lot of Redpilled guys say, "We'll this is what traditionalist guys would do." However, I met many guys from around the world(even Turkey!) and they seemed to have a much more lax approach towards women from their country. They did not seem to have this idealization of having a wife as a 'soulmate..' etc. This seems to be unique to Anglo-American culture that hold certain standards(unreasonable or not depends on your political views) for women and since there's been culture change and this standards are not being met suddenly there's a lot of anger.

It seems to me that these guys were misogynists trying to be 'pick up artists' or 'high value guys' when in reality they are NOT. There are low value guys who are haters.